On The Floor with Wayne and Rob

What's Lurking Underneath

Episode Summary

Wayne and Rob discuss the things you need to be aware of prior to using Bona Adhesives. Follow Bona US Professional online: Website: https://www1.bona.com/en-us/professional/ Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/BonaProfessional Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bonauspro/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bonapro.us/

Episode Transcription

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Hello and welcome to another

 

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episode of On the Floor

 

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with Waiting Room.

 

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I'm Wayne Highlander,

 

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director of sales for Bona Adhesives.

 

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And I’m Rob Johnson from Bona Training.

 

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How you doing this morning?

 

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Doing fantastic, man. How you doing?

 

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Good good.

 

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I'm coming off a pretty good weekend.

 

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Well, actually, good and bad.

 

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You know,

 

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one of our cats, I'm

 

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a little bit concerned

 

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that might have to put it down.

 

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I don't want to duty to be it, but

 

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it lost a lot of weight.

 

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So that was kind of

 

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not good this weekend.

 

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So just realizing he's

 

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getting to be really skin and bones

 

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and he

 

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and he is the most affectionate cat

 

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I have ever seen in my life.

 

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I mean, he is a lover man.

 

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And when he wants affection,

 

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there's no turning back.

 

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I mean, you cannot

 

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not give him affection.

 

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And so, yeah, so all of that goes good.

 

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I think it's so crazy.

 

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You're a cat person.

 

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That's a

 

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I really say

 

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that I'm not I'm really a dog person.

 

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I really, truly am a dog person.

 

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I told you we took in my brother.

 

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My my sister in law's dog.

 

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I don't know.

 

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I told you that

 

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my sister in law passed away.

 

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And long story,

 

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she had a bunch of animals.

 

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We kept one of the dogs.

 

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The dogs, 14 years old, and it's

 

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damn near death. Okay?

 

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And

 

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it has the worst breath

 

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of any living creature

 

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I have ever been around in my life.

 

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You can't even be in the same room

 

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with it.

 

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It's crazy, man.

 

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So. So, yeah.

 

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No, no, It's just 14 years old,

 

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and I don't know.

 

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I'll tell you what, though.

 

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I've never seen an animal

 

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so obsessed with food in my life.

 

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I mean, she's thin.

 

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She's not like she's overweight at all.

 

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Although now I'm feeding it

 

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whatever she wants to eat

 

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because she was an athlete

 

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for most of her life.

 

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I mean, she was you know,

 

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she was a champion,

 

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a border collie, collie,

 

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whatever they do.

 

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But now she's in her advanced age.

 

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I don't care what I give or whatever

 

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she wants to eat.

 

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And so she's happy.

 

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But man, he's a mess.

 

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So anyhow,

 

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but I have to say, I went to look,

 

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I got to see.

 

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I give you a highlight.

 

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I got to see Chris Stapleton

 

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over there over the weekend.

 

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And that was a great concert.

 

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A lot of fun.

 

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Yeah.

 

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Yeah.

 

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people that. Yeah.

 

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You're like, dancing.

 

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You stand up,

 

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you sit down, or are you up dancing

 

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No, I'm, I'm.

 

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I'm only

 

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comfortable dancing

 

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at home in front of whiskers.

 

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Whiskers?

 

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Is that, is that what the cat's name is?

 

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that's to do That takes care of the cats

 

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when I'm on the road.

 

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Yes.

 

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Whiskers to the cat.

 

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No, I don't.

 

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I'm not.

 

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I'm not.

 

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You know,

 

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you know something

 

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Here's, here's here's one.

 

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Here's what happened in life to me.

 

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And dancing.

 

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I'll never forget.

 

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We were at the NCO club in England gay

 

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me and my for me

 

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and my three brothers and

 

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it's the first time

 

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we've been around the live,

 

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live music and people are dancing.

 

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And my mom goes,

 

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Why don't you just go dance?

 

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First of all,

 

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we don't dance with each other.

 

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And that was a stupid thing to say,

 

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you know what I mean?

 

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And

 

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yeah, easy.

 

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So

 

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then my mom says,

 

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Let's go out dance

 

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and I'll give you a dish of ice cream.

 

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You can have ice cream for dessert.

 

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Okay, So, look,

 

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I will do a lot of things for food.

 

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And I thought, well,

 

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how bad can this dancing thing be?

 

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You know?

 

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I mean, I can get some ice cream.

 

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You know,

 

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I look at other people out there

 

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and so I get up to go

 

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and all my brothers are going to sissy.

 

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They sissy.

 

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So I it might have been

 

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the last time I ever danced

 

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because all over the city,

 

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my brother's laughing at me.

 

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But I came back and I got ice cream.

 

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You got the ice cream out of it.

 

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Yeah, yeah,

 

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but my mom gave everybody ice cream.

 

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See, that's not right.

 

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Exactly.

 

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Exactly.

 

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Now, as a

 

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Yeah, yeah.

 

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So anyhow.

 

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you know, there's a word.

 

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I'd like to see that word come back.

 

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Sissy, that's a good one.

 

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Yeah,

 

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yeah,

 

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yeah.

 

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Well it's fine words

 

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basically back in the day like in, in

 

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in the trades you someone

 

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a sissy.

 

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just now it's just not good.

 

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You go off things a lot a lot of things.

 

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You ever been mess with some guy.

 

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A guy. One time

 

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he and I were having words,

 

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you know,

 

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it was getting escalated

 

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and he cut me down

 

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so good that I had to go, you know,

 

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that's pretty good.

 

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I can't even be part of that.

 

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That's. That's pretty good.

 

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Yeah.

 

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I can't remember now.

 

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I can't remember what it was.

 

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I can think about it.

 

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I came up with it,

 

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but I can't remember it now.

 

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All right,

 

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Rob, I'm going to talk about

 

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what's lurking below. Okay.

 

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Concrete

 

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and I just

 

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want to talk about concrete a little bit.

 

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And I want to talk about

 

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some of the things that that

 

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that happened before.

 

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A contractor shows up,

 

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a flooring contractor shows up on a job

 

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and leaves him very vulnerable.

 

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And that we don't really talk about

 

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when we talk about concrete,

 

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we really are we kind of talk about,

 

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is the moisture high or is it not high?

 

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And that's it.

 

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And that's kind of on a cursory level

 

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and that's all we really talk about.

 

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So I'm talking about really kind

 

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of what happens on a jobsite.

 

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A lot of this comes from my experience

 

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as a construction laborer

 

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and at the time doing

 

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floors was the last thing on my mind.

 

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I was a young dumb kid

 

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and worked as a labor and what have.

 

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But so I just want to

 

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go over a couple of things

 

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when they know

 

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they're going to place concrete,

 

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it goes like this, you have the, the sub

 

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subsoil base. Okay.

 

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And on top of that you put a filter mat

 

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and on top of the filter mat

 

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you put what they call a capillary break.

 

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All right.

 

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Which is basically a lot of stone,

 

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a lot of like rocks, a layer of rocks.

 

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I'll tell you about that reason for that.

 

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And that's very important, actually.

 

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Super important.

 

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And I'll tell you the

 

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reason why for that minute

 

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in on top of that, you put

 

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you have those amount of soil

 

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and then you have your your

 

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your vapor retarder on top of that.

 

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Okay.

 

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So the reason that you put that

 

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stone in there

 

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and then it's called a capillary break,

 

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is that the capillary reaction in under

 

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the concrete is actually very strong

 

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and is super important.

 

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To give you an example of that

 

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and reason, what happens is

 

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if you just remember that

 

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that wet always goes to dry, okay,

 

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If you were to take a

 

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if you had a spill,

 

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if you had water on a counter right now

 

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and you took a paper towel

 

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and you set it in there,

 

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you know

 

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what, the side of the paper towel,

 

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the water just keeps going and going

 

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and going into that paper towel.

 

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Okay.

 

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It's kind of the same principle.

 

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And it's actually

 

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is another way of looking at it.

 

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If you look at a tree,

 

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it takes the moisture from the

 

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and how it

 

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draws it up into the

 

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into the rest of the tree.

 

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Well, it's the same type of principle

 

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and that can get into the

 

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into the concrete.

 

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So so if you put that there,

 

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that layer of rocks in there

 

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and in aggregate

 

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it kind of stops

 

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that process from happening.

 

265

00:07:57,510 --> 00:07:58,945

Okay, that makes sense.

 

266

00:07:58,945 --> 00:08:01,380

Kind of cuts that off. Okay.

 

267

00:08:01,380 --> 00:08:04,650

So now you put the the the the vapor

 

268

00:08:04,650 --> 00:08:06,052

barrier down

 

269

00:08:06,052 --> 00:08:06,986

moisture retarder,

 

270

00:08:06,986 --> 00:08:08,788

but there's three different classes.

 

271

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There's an A, class B glass and C, class

 

272

00:08:11,457 --> 00:08:14,393

C class is really easy to puncture.

 

273

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So a flooring contractor

 

274

00:08:16,229 --> 00:08:17,663

would have no idea

 

275

00:08:17,663 --> 00:08:18,464

if it was placed

 

276

00:08:18,464 --> 00:08:20,433

properly and taped off properly

 

277

00:08:20,433 --> 00:08:21,901

and all that. They would have no idea.

 

278

00:08:21,901 --> 00:08:24,270

And it makes a huge difference

 

279

00:08:24,270 --> 00:08:25,872

because they can absolutely get punctured

 

280

00:08:25,872 --> 00:08:27,240

in sometimes intensely.

 

281

00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:28,007

And I'll talk about that

 

282

00:08:28,007 --> 00:08:30,877

later, I hope I don't forget.

 

283

00:08:30,943 --> 00:08:32,712

So then then you place the concrete.

 

284

00:08:32,712 --> 00:08:33,846

Okay.

 

285

00:08:33,846 --> 00:08:36,315

Now, one of the most important things

 

286

00:08:36,315 --> 00:08:40,620

that happens at that point is that

 

287

00:08:40,686 --> 00:08:42,889

there's a water to cement ratio,

 

288

00:08:42,889 --> 00:08:44,690

a certain amount of water

 

289

00:08:44,690 --> 00:08:45,958

is necessary for concrete

 

290

00:08:45,958 --> 00:08:47,760

to start the hydration process.

 

291

00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:48,928

Basically that that binds

 

292

00:08:48,928 --> 00:08:51,030

all the concrete together. Right.

 

293

00:08:51,030 --> 00:08:52,398

But there's more

 

294

00:08:52,398 --> 00:08:53,466

you need more water in there

 

295

00:08:53,466 --> 00:08:55,501

and it's for it's for

 

296

00:08:55,501 --> 00:08:57,270

workability purposes. Okay.

 

297

00:08:57,270 --> 00:08:59,205

So you have to have more water in there.

 

298

00:08:59,205 --> 00:09:00,239

So the concrete is

 

299

00:09:00,239 --> 00:09:01,173

the guys can float

 

300

00:09:01,173 --> 00:09:02,341

and work it and all that stuff.

 

301

00:09:02,341 --> 00:09:04,911

That's called water of convenience

 

302

00:09:04,911 --> 00:09:05,745

or free water.

 

303

00:09:05,745 --> 00:09:07,713

Okay.

 

304

00:09:07,713 --> 00:09:09,181

So but that, that decision

 

305

00:09:09,181 --> 00:09:10,416

that that water to cement

 

306

00:09:10,416 --> 00:09:12,752

ratio is the biggest factor determining

 

307

00:09:12,752 --> 00:09:13,753

how long that concrete

 

308

00:09:13,753 --> 00:09:16,022

is going to take to dry. Okay.

 

309

00:09:16,022 --> 00:09:18,991

We say concrete takes 28 days to cure,

 

310

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but it may actually not start

 

311

00:09:20,793 --> 00:09:23,462

drying till 45 to 90 days afterwards.

 

312

00:09:23,462 --> 00:09:24,463

Okay.

 

313

00:09:24,463 --> 00:09:25,898

So that water is this cement

 

314

00:09:25,898 --> 00:09:26,832

ratio is important.

 

315

00:09:26,832 --> 00:09:27,600

Now, the next thing

 

316

00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,769

that is very important.

 

317

00:09:29,869 --> 00:09:31,237

question.

 

318

00:09:31,237 --> 00:09:34,340

So finish dries and then it cures

 

319

00:09:34,340 --> 00:09:36,475

backcountry concrete cures

 

320

00:09:36,475 --> 00:09:39,145

and then it dries.

 

321

00:09:39,145 --> 00:09:40,313

concrete curing

 

322

00:09:40,313 --> 00:09:41,581

and drying is totally different.

 

323

00:09:41,581 --> 00:09:42,782

I mean, concrete can continue

 

324

00:09:42,782 --> 00:09:44,150

to hydrate the life of it

 

325

00:09:44,150 --> 00:09:45,084

as long as there's water,

 

326

00:09:45,084 --> 00:09:46,919

long as there's moisture there. Okay.

 

327

00:09:46,919 --> 00:09:49,388

But you need to have a certain amount

 

328

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of moisture in there, water

 

329

00:09:50,790 --> 00:09:51,857

in there for it to hydrate.

 

330

00:09:51,857 --> 00:09:53,092

And that hydrate process is

 

331

00:09:53,092 --> 00:09:54,527

what binds all the concrete.

 

332

00:09:54,527 --> 00:09:57,563

And it's in concrete is is gravel.

 

333

00:09:57,563 --> 00:10:00,600

It's dirt, It's it's gravel,

 

334

00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,368

it's sand, it's

 

335

00:10:02,368 --> 00:10:04,670

Portland cement and water. Okay.

 

336

00:10:04,670 --> 00:10:06,505

The water binds it all together.

 

337

00:10:06,505 --> 00:10:08,708

Okay. So it's it's inbound.

 

338

00:10:08,708 --> 00:10:10,176

There's a certain amount of water

 

339

00:10:10,176 --> 00:10:11,978

that you have to have in concrete,

 

340

00:10:11,978 --> 00:10:13,713

but you have to be concerned about

 

341

00:10:13,713 --> 00:10:15,715

the other water that's in there,

 

342

00:10:15,715 --> 00:10:17,216

the water of convenience.

 

343

00:10:17,216 --> 00:10:19,585

Okay. The free water that has to.

 

344

00:10:19,585 --> 00:10:20,620

Yeah, You want that.

 

345

00:10:20,620 --> 00:10:22,722

You want that to get out. Okay.

 

346

00:10:22,722 --> 00:10:25,725

So after that cement to water ratio,

 

347

00:10:25,725 --> 00:10:26,726

the next important thing

 

348

00:10:26,726 --> 00:10:27,526

that can come along

 

349

00:10:27,526 --> 00:10:28,628

to affect the contract

 

350

00:10:28,628 --> 00:10:30,162

and this is another huge one.

 

351

00:10:30,162 --> 00:10:30,796

Okay, There's two

 

352

00:10:30,796 --> 00:10:31,330

there's two

 

353

00:10:31,330 --> 00:10:33,065

two big factors so far,

 

354

00:10:33,065 --> 00:10:35,601

and that's how the concrete is cured.

 

355

00:10:35,601 --> 00:10:37,670

Okay. There's three ways they can do it.

 

356

00:10:37,670 --> 00:10:38,704

One,

 

357

00:10:38,704 --> 00:10:40,773

and I've done all three of these methods

 

358

00:10:40,773 --> 00:10:41,774

on jobs.

 

359

00:10:41,774 --> 00:10:44,176

If you continually wet that slab,

 

360

00:10:44,176 --> 00:10:45,044

you have to it's

 

361

00:10:45,044 --> 00:10:46,112

for the hydration process.

 

362

00:10:46,112 --> 00:10:47,713

You don't want that to dry out too fast

 

363

00:10:47,713 --> 00:10:48,714

and everything could crack

 

364

00:10:48,714 --> 00:10:49,815

and what have you.

 

365

00:10:49,815 --> 00:10:51,717

So you had to continually wet that slab.

 

366

00:10:51,717 --> 00:10:52,652

Okay.

 

367

00:10:52,652 --> 00:10:54,153

Well, you can imagine it's still

 

368

00:10:54,153 --> 00:10:56,022

that's adding more water into that slab

 

369

00:10:56,022 --> 00:10:58,858

that's going to have to dissipate. Okay,

 

370

00:10:58,924 --> 00:11:00,426

That's not really great for us.

 

371

00:11:00,426 --> 00:11:01,260

The second thing is

 

372

00:11:01,260 --> 00:11:03,062

they could take curing compound.

 

373

00:11:03,062 --> 00:11:04,630

You can you

 

374

00:11:04,630 --> 00:11:06,432

you can spray with curing compounds.

 

375

00:11:06,432 --> 00:11:07,400

Okay.

 

376

00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:08,868

And that traps the moisture in there.

 

377

00:11:08,868 --> 00:11:10,102

The problem is it works

 

378

00:11:10,102 --> 00:11:12,004

really, really well.

 

379

00:11:12,004 --> 00:11:14,440

But the slab doesn't start to dry out

 

380

00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,176

until that is removed. Okay.

 

381

00:11:17,176 --> 00:11:18,978

And that has to be removed by more

 

382

00:11:18,978 --> 00:11:20,713

probably more likely shot blasting.

 

383

00:11:20,713 --> 00:11:22,715

Okay. Which is at an expense.

 

384

00:11:22,715 --> 00:11:23,916

And again,

 

385

00:11:23,916 --> 00:11:25,084

it's not really drying out

 

386

00:11:25,084 --> 00:11:26,285

until you do that.

 

387

00:11:26,285 --> 00:11:28,988

So that's when the clock starts ticking.

 

388

00:11:28,988 --> 00:11:30,589

More.

 

389

00:11:30,589 --> 00:11:31,390

The third way,

 

390

00:11:31,390 --> 00:11:32,124

which is the best

 

391

00:11:32,124 --> 00:11:32,625

way, is

 

392

00:11:32,625 --> 00:11:35,194

they put burlap sacks onto the concrete

 

393

00:11:35,194 --> 00:11:38,097

and and or plastic.

 

394

00:11:38,097 --> 00:11:38,431

Okay.

 

395

00:11:38,431 --> 00:11:39,732

And you just use enough water

 

396

00:11:39,732 --> 00:11:40,733

to keep it hydrated,

 

397

00:11:40,733 --> 00:11:42,334

but you're not sucking in the living

 

398

00:11:42,334 --> 00:11:45,638

daylights out of it. Okay. So

 

399

00:11:45,705 --> 00:11:47,039

had they do the first

 

400

00:11:47,039 --> 00:11:48,908

or second process, it's

 

401

00:11:48,908 --> 00:11:49,875

going to really add time

 

402

00:11:49,875 --> 00:11:50,676

to the amount of water

 

403

00:11:50,676 --> 00:11:51,811

that's going to be in that concrete

 

404

00:11:51,811 --> 00:11:54,013

when you get there.

 

405

00:11:54,013 --> 00:11:55,881

The next thing that comes along

 

406

00:11:55,881 --> 00:11:57,717

is the reweighting of the slab.

 

407

00:11:57,717 --> 00:11:58,517

Okay,

 

408

00:11:58,517 --> 00:12:00,186

So let's say

 

409

00:12:00,186 --> 00:12:01,987

it's exposed to the environment, right?

 

410

00:12:01,987 --> 00:12:02,822

And it get rain.

 

411

00:12:02,822 --> 00:12:03,589

It's rained on.

 

412

00:12:03,589 --> 00:12:03,889

Let's say

 

413

00:12:03,889 --> 00:12:05,424

the relative humidity is very high.

 

414

00:12:05,424 --> 00:12:07,493

So that's all adding moisture

 

415

00:12:07,493 --> 00:12:09,795

to the job site into the to the slab.

 

416

00:12:09,795 --> 00:12:11,497

Now you have all the wet trades

 

417

00:12:11,497 --> 00:12:13,332

that come in. Okay.

 

418

00:12:13,332 --> 00:12:16,802

So that also is a big factor in

 

419

00:12:16,802 --> 00:12:17,336

how much

 

420

00:12:17,336 --> 00:12:18,070

moisture in water

 

421

00:12:18,070 --> 00:12:21,307

is going to be in that slam.

 

422

00:12:21,373 --> 00:12:23,709

So what then usually happens

 

423

00:12:23,709 --> 00:12:24,944

is if you're lucky enough,

 

424

00:12:24,944 --> 00:12:28,647

then certainly aviation

 

425

00:12:28,714 --> 00:12:31,083

cracks me up where they say, okay, Wayne

 

426

00:12:31,083 --> 00:12:33,152

or whoever the contractor is,

 

427

00:12:33,152 --> 00:12:34,720

we've had the vaccine for a week,

 

428

00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,022

so you should be ready to go.

 

429

00:12:37,089 --> 00:12:39,492

That's really laughable.

 

430

00:12:39,492 --> 00:12:42,495

It's not enough to dry out that slab.

 

431

00:12:42,495 --> 00:12:43,963

What you really need to dry out

 

432

00:12:43,963 --> 00:12:45,931

a slab is you need you need heat

 

433

00:12:45,931 --> 00:12:47,600

and you need low

 

434

00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,068

relative humidity, air blowing

 

435

00:12:49,068 --> 00:12:49,802

across the surface

 

436

00:12:49,802 --> 00:12:51,137

of the slab continuously.

 

437

00:12:51,137 --> 00:12:51,904

Okay.

 

438

00:12:51,904 --> 00:12:53,072

That's the quickest way

 

439

00:12:53,072 --> 00:12:56,542

to draft the slab.

 

440

00:12:56,642 --> 00:12:57,543

Dry, warm air.

 

441

00:12:57,543 --> 00:12:58,043

Yeah.

 

442

00:12:58,043 --> 00:13:00,813

Continuously blowing across that slab.

 

443

00:13:00,813 --> 00:13:03,682

So if the guy had if they cleared it

 

444

00:13:03,682 --> 00:13:06,218

properly, acute in the best way,

 

445

00:13:06,218 --> 00:13:07,686

if they had use a low water

 

446

00:13:07,686 --> 00:13:08,087

to cement

 

447

00:13:08,087 --> 00:13:09,955

ratio to begin with,

 

448

00:13:09,955 --> 00:13:10,256

you know,

 

449

00:13:10,256 --> 00:13:10,923

those things would be

 

450

00:13:10,923 --> 00:13:12,258

on the contractor side.

 

451

00:13:12,258 --> 00:13:14,260

Okay.

 

452

00:13:14,260 --> 00:13:15,661

But we don't know that nobody's

 

453

00:13:15,661 --> 00:13:16,462

ever said here.

 

454

00:13:16,462 --> 00:13:17,863

Here's what this slump ratio is.

 

455

00:13:17,863 --> 00:13:22,568

We're not in those those conversations.

 

456

00:13:22,635 --> 00:13:24,904

So the next thing comes along is, okay,

 

457

00:13:24,904 --> 00:13:26,338

now we have to test to see what

 

458

00:13:26,338 --> 00:13:30,376

the moisture is. Okay, well,

 

459

00:13:30,476 --> 00:13:33,245

let's take a calcium chloride test

 

460

00:13:33,245 --> 00:13:34,146

You really need

 

461

00:13:34,146 --> 00:13:36,515

if you're not at ambient temperature

 

462

00:13:36,515 --> 00:13:38,450

and relative humidity

 

463

00:13:38,450 --> 00:13:39,819

when the home is being occupied,

 

464

00:13:39,819 --> 00:13:42,621

that test is really not of any use. Okay.

 

465

00:13:42,621 --> 00:13:45,624

You want to make sure that you are of

 

466

00:13:45,758 --> 00:13:47,193

living conditions

 

467

00:13:47,193 --> 00:13:48,527

and and you're able to be

 

468

00:13:48,527 --> 00:13:50,462

really is about where it's going to be.

 

469

00:13:50,462 --> 00:13:53,465

But here's interesting thing.

 

470

00:13:53,732 --> 00:13:54,900

If you do a calcium chloride

 

471

00:13:54,900 --> 00:13:55,801

test on a slab

 

472

00:13:55,801 --> 00:13:58,370

that has never had floor covering on it

 

473

00:13:58,370 --> 00:13:59,638

and you're going to get a result

 

474

00:13:59,638 --> 00:14:02,174

back, write a numerical result back

 

475

00:14:02,174 --> 00:14:05,411

if on that same slab you put down floor

 

476

00:14:05,411 --> 00:14:06,846

covering for seven days

 

477

00:14:06,846 --> 00:14:07,513

or ten days

 

478

00:14:07,513 --> 00:14:09,181

or whatever, like a rubber pad

 

479

00:14:09,181 --> 00:14:10,683

or something like that

 

480

00:14:10,683 --> 00:14:13,118

and do a calcium chloride test on it,

 

481

00:14:13,118 --> 00:14:14,854

you're going to get a much higher result

 

482

00:14:14,854 --> 00:14:17,890

in that calcium chloride test.

 

483

00:14:17,957 --> 00:14:19,225

The reason for that is

 

484

00:14:19,225 --> 00:14:20,192

when you put a floor

 

485

00:14:20,192 --> 00:14:20,693

covering on

 

486

00:14:20,693 --> 00:14:22,027

top of a slab, the moisture

 

487

00:14:22,027 --> 00:14:24,063

in that slab starts to redistribute.

 

488

00:14:24,063 --> 00:14:25,130

Okay.

 

489

00:14:25,130 --> 00:14:26,765

And that gives you more of a probably

 

490

00:14:26,765 --> 00:14:28,901

an accurate reading of what's going on

 

491

00:14:28,901 --> 00:14:30,102

is the calcium

 

492

00:14:30,102 --> 00:14:30,603

chloride test

 

493

00:14:30,603 --> 00:14:31,770

only reads like the first half

 

494

00:14:31,770 --> 00:14:33,973

inch in that slab.

 

495

00:14:33,973 --> 00:14:35,507

Now

 

496

00:14:35,507 --> 00:14:37,376

to do the RH test,

 

497

00:14:37,376 --> 00:14:38,677

the reason why we do in our East

 

498

00:14:38,677 --> 00:14:40,212

is that our age is the best indicator

 

499

00:14:40,212 --> 00:14:40,880

of how much moisture

 

500

00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,181

is really going on in that slab.

 

501

00:14:42,181 --> 00:14:44,049

And you know, you drill 40% down

 

502

00:14:44,049 --> 00:14:45,718

into the depth of that slab.

 

503

00:14:45,718 --> 00:14:46,185

The reason

 

504

00:14:46,185 --> 00:14:47,553

why you drill 40% down

 

505

00:14:47,553 --> 00:14:52,024

into the depth of that slab is because

 

506

00:14:52,091 --> 00:14:53,292

they know that there's going to be a flow

 

507

00:14:53,292 --> 00:14:54,693

coming on it's lab

 

508

00:14:54,693 --> 00:14:56,028

and they figure that

 

509

00:14:56,028 --> 00:14:58,197

that is kind of the intersection

 

510

00:14:58,197 --> 00:14:59,565

of where the moisture is going to be.

 

511

00:14:59,565 --> 00:15:01,033

Actually, when you are

 

512

00:15:01,033 --> 00:15:02,968

when you when you have the slab covered

 

513

00:15:02,968 --> 00:15:03,636

gate, that

 

514

00:15:03,636 --> 00:15:04,937

amount of moisture is in there.

 

515

00:15:04,937 --> 00:15:06,572

It's kind of a bitter

 

516

00:15:06,572 --> 00:15:10,209

but a read on what's going on. So

 

517

00:15:10,276 --> 00:15:10,676

I guess

 

518

00:15:10,676 --> 00:15:12,044

that, you know, we don't

 

519

00:15:12,044 --> 00:15:13,812

we talk about doing testing

 

520

00:15:13,812 --> 00:15:14,513

and what have you.

 

521

00:15:14,513 --> 00:15:16,348

And, you know, we really don't

 

522

00:15:16,348 --> 00:15:17,750

you know, there's like I said,

 

523

00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:20,753

I think if we knew more about concrete

 

524

00:15:20,753 --> 00:15:22,087

and what we were up

 

525

00:15:22,087 --> 00:15:24,290

against in the front side,

 

526

00:15:24,290 --> 00:15:25,257

it might change the way

 

527

00:15:25,257 --> 00:15:28,260

we look at things.

 

528

00:15:28,494 --> 00:15:30,462

So question.

 

529

00:15:30,462 --> 00:15:33,432

The RH probe,

 

530

00:15:33,432 --> 00:15:34,066

when you said

 

531

00:15:34,066 --> 00:15:35,034

you don't know

 

532

00:15:35,034 --> 00:15:37,970

what people are doing to concrete

 

533

00:15:37,970 --> 00:15:48,314

by the time you get

 

534

00:15:48,414 --> 00:15:49,148

it's going to

 

535

00:15:49,148 --> 00:15:50,082

it won't necessarily

 

536

00:15:50,082 --> 00:15:51,684

tell you what they did, but it will

 

537

00:15:51,684 --> 00:15:52,384

damn sure

 

538

00:15:52,384 --> 00:15:54,653

tell you where that slab is at

 

539

00:15:54,653 --> 00:15:55,654

as far as moisture,

 

540

00:15:55,654 --> 00:15:58,590

way better than any other test.

 

541

00:15:58,590 --> 00:16:01,026

But again, to expect that

 

542

00:16:01,026 --> 00:16:02,428

I don't have to turn it on

 

543

00:16:02,428 --> 00:16:03,162

and it

 

544

00:16:03,162 --> 00:16:05,297

the same thing is as as wood flooring it.

 

545

00:16:05,297 --> 00:16:06,131

They actually concrete

 

546

00:16:06,131 --> 00:16:08,067

and wood are very similar.

 

547

00:16:08,133 --> 00:16:11,103

If you when you pour a concrete slab,

 

548

00:16:11,103 --> 00:16:12,471

that moisture starts to dry out of there

 

549

00:16:12,471 --> 00:16:13,172

and what have you in

 

550

00:16:13,172 --> 00:16:13,706

a slab

 

551

00:16:13,706 --> 00:16:17,676

can curl from loss of moisture, which

 

552

00:16:17,743 --> 00:16:22,614

I'll get into just really shortly because

 

553

00:16:22,681 --> 00:16:23,882

they should almost expect

 

554

00:16:23,882 --> 00:16:25,217

that you're going to have to do something

 

555

00:16:25,217 --> 00:16:27,586

to that slab, some leveling,

 

556

00:16:27,586 --> 00:16:29,254

some some grinding,

 

557

00:16:29,254 --> 00:16:30,022

because when they

 

558

00:16:30,022 --> 00:16:30,689

when they occur, well,

 

559

00:16:30,689 --> 00:16:33,525

it doesn't necessarily affect us as much

 

560

00:16:33,525 --> 00:16:34,760

with wood as it does

 

561

00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,962

like a VCT or those type of things.

 

562

00:16:36,962 --> 00:16:40,232

But here's what can happen.

 

563

00:16:40,299 --> 00:16:42,301

Let's say the concrete is poured

 

564

00:16:42,301 --> 00:16:43,535

and it's nice and flat

 

565

00:16:43,535 --> 00:16:44,236

and maybe you do some

 

566

00:16:44,236 --> 00:16:45,404

grinding on it, right?

 

567

00:16:45,404 --> 00:16:48,907

And because it, maybe it, it, it

 

568

00:16:49,008 --> 00:16:50,342

curled, you grind it

 

569

00:16:50,342 --> 00:16:51,310

everything, you get it flat.

 

570

00:16:51,310 --> 00:16:52,411

Maybe it has some construction

 

571

00:16:52,411 --> 00:16:54,213

joints in there and you fill those now.

 

572

00:16:54,213 --> 00:16:55,514

Okay.

 

573

00:16:55,514 --> 00:16:56,115

He okay.

 

574

00:16:56,115 --> 00:16:57,616

It is absolutely flat. Beautiful.

 

575

00:16:57,616 --> 00:16:59,551

Let's put this flooring on.

 

576

00:16:59,551 --> 00:17:02,054

Well when they put the flooring on

 

577

00:17:02,054 --> 00:17:04,623

and that that moisture in slab starts

 

578

00:17:04,623 --> 00:17:06,091

to redistribute.

 

579

00:17:06,091 --> 00:17:09,161

Now what could happen is it can that

 

580

00:17:09,294 --> 00:17:10,729

there as you flatten everything

 

581

00:17:10,729 --> 00:17:12,364

now the moisture coming back up

 

582

00:17:12,364 --> 00:17:14,033

and those joints that you filled,

 

583

00:17:14,033 --> 00:17:16,235

you can blow that off the slab.

 

584

00:17:16,235 --> 00:17:22,041

So it's kind of a catch 22.

 

585

00:17:22,141 --> 00:17:25,711

So.

 

586

00:17:25,811 --> 00:17:46,665

Okay,

 

587

00:17:46,732 --> 00:17:51,103

Yeah.

 

588

00:17:51,170 --> 00:17:51,970

Okay.

 

589

00:17:51,970 --> 00:17:54,506

I'm glad you brought that up.

 

590

00:17:54,506 --> 00:17:55,941

So there's two types of tests.

 

591

00:17:55,941 --> 00:17:58,710

One is what they call a qualitative test

 

592

00:17:58,710 --> 00:18:00,479

and one is a quantitative test.

 

593

00:18:00,479 --> 00:18:02,281

The quantitative test is the calcium

 

594

00:18:02,281 --> 00:18:03,682

chloride test in the RH test

 

595

00:18:03,682 --> 00:18:05,184

because they give you a numerical value.

 

596

00:18:05,184 --> 00:18:06,085

Okay?

 

597

00:18:06,085 --> 00:18:09,321

They're they recognize as being a test,

 

598

00:18:09,421 --> 00:18:10,689

a qualitative test.

 

599

00:18:10,689 --> 00:18:13,992

We like a pin meter, a rubber mat test.

 

600

00:18:13,992 --> 00:18:15,094

We put a rubber mat down

 

601

00:18:15,094 --> 00:18:16,195

for so many days,

 

602

00:18:16,195 --> 00:18:16,962

you pull it up, you say,

 

603

00:18:16,962 --> 00:18:17,830

okay, underneath it

 

604

00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:20,199

the slab is turned, is turned dark,

 

605

00:18:20,199 --> 00:18:22,134

which indicates there's moisture.

 

606

00:18:22,134 --> 00:18:24,870

There's actually value in both tests.

 

607

00:18:24,870 --> 00:18:27,372

But the real test is recognizing meaning

 

608

00:18:27,372 --> 00:18:29,908

you do have to do a quantitative test,

 

609

00:18:29,908 --> 00:18:31,543

but there is value in a tree makes meter.

 

610

00:18:31,543 --> 00:18:33,479

And I don't want to misspeak and remake

 

611

00:18:33,479 --> 00:18:33,979

because I believe

 

612

00:18:33,979 --> 00:18:35,514

they came out with a new meter

 

613

00:18:35,514 --> 00:18:36,882

that does

 

614

00:18:36,882 --> 00:18:38,550

are rates testing and stuff like that.

 

615

00:18:38,550 --> 00:18:39,551

It looked very impressive.

 

616

00:18:39,551 --> 00:18:40,752

I didn't really have a good chance

 

617

00:18:40,752 --> 00:18:41,520

to look at it, but

 

618

00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:42,387

but the type of meters

 

619

00:18:42,387 --> 00:18:44,356

you set on top of the slab,

 

620

00:18:44,356 --> 00:18:45,991

that's the quantitative test

 

621

00:18:45,991 --> 00:18:47,226

that's giving you a qualitative test.

 

622

00:18:47,226 --> 00:18:47,793

It just gives you.

 

623

00:18:47,793 --> 00:18:48,694

And they're valuable

 

624

00:18:48,694 --> 00:18:49,628

because they can also tell you

 

625

00:18:49,628 --> 00:18:50,896

where to put the

 

626

00:18:50,896 --> 00:18:53,432

the calcium chloride test and everything.

 

627

00:18:53,432 --> 00:18:54,933

If they read high, that's okay.

 

628

00:18:54,933 --> 00:18:56,335

Well, let's do a test here.

 

629

00:18:56,335 --> 00:18:58,971

So there is value to those

 

630

00:18:59,037 --> 00:19:00,839

those type of tests.

 

631

00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:01,874

okay.

 

632

00:19:01,874 --> 00:19:02,674

Now I just saw you

 

633

00:19:02,674 --> 00:19:06,311

look at your door like, did your Mr.

 

634

00:19:06,512 --> 00:19:09,481

or Mrs. just leave?

 

635

00:19:09,481 --> 00:19:10,983

Well, I didn't know if housekeeping

 

636

00:19:10,983 --> 00:19:11,650

was going to come in.

 

637

00:19:11,650 --> 00:19:17,156

I put the.

 

638

00:19:17,222 --> 00:19:17,990

Yeah.

 

639

00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:20,792

Well is the female version of that,

 

640

00:19:20,792 --> 00:19:22,861

is that the misuse.

 

641

00:19:22,861 --> 00:19:24,196

Yes. Yes.

 

642

00:19:24,196 --> 00:19:25,697

That was the way we what I would get.

 

643

00:19:25,697 --> 00:19:26,498

Yeah.

 

644

00:19:26,498 --> 00:19:30,068

But there, there's that happening

 

645

00:19:30,135 --> 00:19:30,369

now.

 

646

00:19:30,369 --> 00:19:32,404

I am a great tipper.

 

647

00:19:32,404 --> 00:19:33,705

I'm a really good tipper.

 

648

00:19:33,705 --> 00:19:35,941

Although I'm annoyed about tipping,

 

649

00:19:35,941 --> 00:19:37,910

I'm super annoyed about this culture

 

650

00:19:37,910 --> 00:19:39,011

that we have

 

651

00:19:39,011 --> 00:19:40,345

about tipping in America now.

 

652

00:19:40,345 --> 00:19:41,847

It's crazy.

 

653

00:19:41,847 --> 00:19:45,184

But yes, I.

 

654

00:19:45,250 --> 00:19:47,853

I know.

 

655

00:19:47,853 --> 00:19:52,090

And yeah, yeah, yeah.

 

656

00:19:52,157 --> 00:19:52,791

And without,

 

657

00:19:52,791 --> 00:19:53,959

without even saying thank you

 

658

00:19:53,959 --> 00:19:55,894

or whatever you and I like.

 

659

00:19:55,894 --> 00:20:00,065

They started 18 and 22, 25

 

660

00:20:00,065 --> 00:20:01,800

and then a special one

 

661

00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:06,071

where you get more special in 25

 

662

00:20:06,138 --> 00:20:08,774

for hands for, for, for

 

663

00:20:08,774 --> 00:20:10,142

let me tell you,

 

664

00:20:10,142 --> 00:20:12,711

let me tell you a worse one than that.

 

665

00:20:12,711 --> 00:20:13,579

Listen to this.

 

666

00:20:13,579 --> 00:20:15,414

And this one that really made me mad.

 

667

00:20:15,414 --> 00:20:15,981

And I

 

668

00:20:15,981 --> 00:20:16,481

if I was there,

 

669

00:20:16,481 --> 00:20:16,982

I would have said

 

670

00:20:16,982 --> 00:20:18,984

something to the manager.

 

671

00:20:18,984 --> 00:20:21,186

We bought a gift certificate for

 

672

00:20:21,186 --> 00:20:22,654

for a couple.

 

673

00:20:22,654 --> 00:20:24,423

And it's $400.

 

674

00:20:24,423 --> 00:20:24,923

Whatever.

 

675

00:20:24,923 --> 00:20:27,926

Look, it's in restaurant labor

 

676

00:20:27,993 --> 00:20:29,061

now that I think $100

 

677

00:20:29,061 --> 00:20:29,928

sounds kind of cheap for a

 

678

00:20:29,928 --> 00:20:31,897

couple at a restaurant, but that's

 

679

00:20:31,897 --> 00:20:33,265

neither here nor there.

 

680

00:20:33,265 --> 00:20:35,601

But.

 

681

00:20:35,601 --> 00:20:36,969

Okay, Thank you.

 

682

00:20:36,969 --> 00:20:38,670

Thank you.

 

683

00:20:38,670 --> 00:20:40,138

Yeah. Okay.

 

684

00:20:40,138 --> 00:20:44,076

But so if I give certificate $400,

 

685

00:20:44,276 --> 00:20:45,677

the lady turns the thing around

 

686

00:20:45,677 --> 00:20:49,548

for the tip for what we paid to Texel.

 

687

00:20:49,715 --> 00:20:50,882

Okay, $100.

 

688

00:20:50,882 --> 00:20:52,718

But you pay.

 

689

00:20:52,718 --> 00:20:55,454

Yeah

 

690

00:20:55,454 --> 00:20:57,422

Yes.

 

691

00:20:57,422 --> 00:20:58,390

Yeah. So?

 

692

00:20:58,390 --> 00:21:00,926

So let me see.

 

693

00:21:00,926 --> 00:21:03,929

Yeah.

 

694

00:21:04,129 --> 00:21:04,563

Yeah.

 

695

00:21:04,563 --> 00:21:08,200

I wouldn't even.

 

696

00:21:08,300 --> 00:21:09,134

Yeah.

 

697

00:21:09,134 --> 00:21:10,569

Okay, here's a note here, because here's.

 

698

00:21:10,569 --> 00:21:11,403

Here's the thing.

 

699

00:21:11,403 --> 00:21:12,271

Okay? We pay that.

 

700

00:21:12,271 --> 00:21:13,672

We pay the tip on a now,

 

701

00:21:13,672 --> 00:21:14,940

which is like a tax.

 

702

00:21:14,940 --> 00:21:15,841

The people pay it.

 

703

00:21:15,841 --> 00:21:17,876

Another tip when, they eat the dinner.

 

704

00:21:17,876 --> 00:21:20,312

We're taxed on $100.

 

705

00:21:20,312 --> 00:21:23,181

Now it's like a $70 value of.

 

706

00:21:23,181 --> 00:21:23,649

You know what I mean?

 

707

00:21:23,649 --> 00:21:26,418

It's crazy. Anyhow, it's not. Sorry.

 

708

00:21:26,418 --> 00:21:28,920

All where was a

 

709

00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,389

okay.

 

710

00:21:30,389 --> 00:21:31,923

Yeah, yeah.

 

711

00:21:31,923 --> 00:21:32,724

So. Yeah.

 

712

00:21:32,724 --> 00:21:35,994

How dare you?

 

713

00:21:36,061 --> 00:21:36,695

Yeah.

 

714

00:21:36,695 --> 00:21:38,530

So

 

715

00:21:38,530 --> 00:21:41,533

yeah I don't care that I'm only

 

716

00:21:41,667 --> 00:21:42,701

giving in into massages.

 

717

00:21:42,701 --> 00:21:45,671

I don't, I'm not a massage guy.

 

718

00:21:45,671 --> 00:21:46,538

Yes.

 

719

00:21:46,538 --> 00:21:48,440

Yeah.

 

720

00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:49,908

Yes. Well way to.

 

721

00:21:49,908 --> 00:21:51,310

Yes.

 

722

00:21:51,310 --> 00:21:57,015

Just

 

723

00:21:57,115 --> 00:21:59,151

yes.

 

724

00:21:59,151 --> 00:22:00,452

Yeah. Sorry.

 

725

00:22:00,452 --> 00:22:02,120

Sorry about that. Yeah.

 

726

00:22:02,120 --> 00:22:06,124

Yeah, I know.

 

727

00:22:06,191 --> 00:22:07,292

my gosh.

 

728

00:22:07,292 --> 00:22:11,063

Both Okay, I'll just real quick.

 

729

00:22:11,163 --> 00:22:11,730

Wait a minute.

 

730

00:22:11,730 --> 00:22:14,700

First, I was a way.

 

731

00:22:14,700 --> 00:22:15,901

No, no, no.

 

732

00:22:15,901 --> 00:22:16,234

Okay.

 

733

00:22:16,234 --> 00:22:19,438

So first I have like,

 

734

00:22:19,438 --> 00:22:19,604

you know,

 

735

00:22:19,604 --> 00:22:21,306

I was I'll throw about 35 at a time

 

736

00:22:21,306 --> 00:22:22,441

and I don't know, I did my back.

 

737

00:22:22,441 --> 00:22:23,508

Back was killing me.

 

738

00:22:23,508 --> 00:22:24,643

So did you guys just go

 

739

00:22:24,643 --> 00:22:25,944

just go to the doctor or whatever,

 

740

00:22:25,944 --> 00:22:26,378

And then there's

 

741

00:22:26,378 --> 00:22:27,379

a physical therapist there.

 

742

00:22:27,379 --> 00:22:30,015

And then so she gave me a massage.

 

743

00:22:30,015 --> 00:22:31,750

So like two or three times I went.

 

744

00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:32,384

It was a girl.

 

745

00:22:32,384 --> 00:22:34,152

Same girl there every time. Right?

 

746

00:22:34,152 --> 00:22:36,254

Nice. Nice insight. Okay.

 

747

00:22:36,254 --> 00:22:37,823

When did the last time

 

748

00:22:37,823 --> 00:22:40,892

she was there and this monster was there?

 

749

00:22:40,959 --> 00:22:42,561

I mean,

 

750

00:22:42,561 --> 00:22:45,097

this dude tried to kill me.

 

751

00:22:45,097 --> 00:22:47,666

I never I never

 

752

00:22:47,666 --> 00:22:50,969

shrieked in agony before,

 

753

00:22:51,036 --> 00:22:52,270

but I was damn close to it.

 

754

00:22:52,270 --> 00:22:53,905

And my mom was in tears.

 

755

00:22:53,905 --> 00:22:55,140

My sister was trying to kill me.

 

756

00:22:55,140 --> 00:22:56,108

So I never went back.

 

757

00:22:56,108 --> 00:22:56,842

Like, what kind of

 

758

00:22:56,842 --> 00:22:57,709

what kind of place does

 

759

00:22:57,709 --> 00:22:58,744

something like this suck?

 

760

00:22:58,744 --> 00:23:01,179

Are you in with the.

 

761

00:23:01,179 --> 00:23:02,047

I know.

 

762

00:23:02,047 --> 00:23:06,051

I mean, I fully admit that

 

763

00:23:06,151 --> 00:23:07,219

I think it was appropriate

 

764

00:23:07,219 --> 00:23:08,820

for the conversation.

 

765

00:23:08,820 --> 00:23:11,056

Okay,

 

766

00:23:11,056 --> 00:23:13,725

so where are we at now?

 

767

00:23:13,725 --> 00:23:15,794

we're done.

 

768

00:23:15,794 --> 00:23:16,161

Okay.

 

769

00:23:16,161 --> 00:23:17,929

Yeah. Interesting.

 

770

00:23:17,929 --> 00:23:21,666

So now here's the thing.

 

771

00:23:21,733 --> 00:23:23,769

In America, manufacturers are saying,

 

772

00:23:23,769 --> 00:23:24,903

okay, we'll give you a

 

773

00:23:24,903 --> 00:23:26,872

and we can give you unlimited warranty.

 

774

00:23:26,872 --> 00:23:28,740

Certainly bone has an unlimited warranty

 

775

00:23:28,740 --> 00:23:31,543

with our with our flow adhesive. Okay.

 

776

00:23:31,543 --> 00:23:33,812

Other manufacturers do as well.

 

777

00:23:33,812 --> 00:23:34,746

And by the way, in Europe,

 

778

00:23:34,746 --> 00:23:35,881

they think we're out of our minds

 

779

00:23:35,881 --> 00:23:37,816

for offering unlimited warranties.

 

780

00:23:37,816 --> 00:23:41,186

They just think it's reckless. Okay.

 

781

00:23:41,253 --> 00:23:43,522

We offer a limited warranty.

 

782

00:23:43,522 --> 00:23:46,825

I'm still and I would say that.

 

783

00:23:46,892 --> 00:23:48,960

yeah, yeah, yeah.

 

784

00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,829

We don't care.

 

785

00:23:50,829 --> 00:23:53,365

Yeah, okay.

 

786

00:23:53,365 --> 00:23:57,202

Yeah, Believe me, they do.

 

787

00:23:57,302 --> 00:23:58,570

So.

 

788

00:23:58,570 --> 00:24:00,205

So

 

789

00:24:00,205 --> 00:24:03,208

we offer unlimited warranties

 

790

00:24:03,208 --> 00:24:05,177

on flow other manufacturers.

 

791

00:24:05,177 --> 00:24:07,779

That's not new. This a lot of people do.

 

792

00:24:07,779 --> 00:24:08,880

But I'm still going to say this

 

793

00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:09,915

and I'm going to say this.

 

794

00:24:09,915 --> 00:24:11,082

I would say this

 

795

00:24:11,082 --> 00:24:13,051

because I've done floors for 30 years.

 

796

00:24:13,051 --> 00:24:13,718

I say this

 

797

00:24:13,718 --> 00:24:15,520

because I've been in this straight.

 

798

00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,889

Another 12 years after that,

 

799

00:24:17,889 --> 00:24:21,493

as 42 years of seeing floors,

 

800

00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,228

nobody wins

 

801

00:24:23,228 --> 00:24:26,431

in a claim, least of all the contractor.

 

802

00:24:26,498 --> 00:24:28,400

So I still think,

 

803

00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:28,934

like I said,

 

804

00:24:28,934 --> 00:24:31,503

I don't care who I'm working for, I'm

 

805

00:24:31,503 --> 00:24:32,671

just going to call it like I see it.

 

806

00:24:32,671 --> 00:24:34,973

I still think

 

807

00:24:34,973 --> 00:24:36,408

that it's smart to do testing

 

808

00:24:36,408 --> 00:24:37,776

and I don't care what any

 

809

00:24:37,776 --> 00:24:40,745

anybody else says.

 

810

00:24:40,812 --> 00:24:42,180

I'm venture to say if I was

 

811

00:24:42,180 --> 00:24:43,682

in a roomful of 30,

 

812

00:24:43,682 --> 00:24:44,616

30 inspectors,

 

813

00:24:44,616 --> 00:24:45,584

every one of them would say,

 

814

00:24:45,584 --> 00:24:47,219

You should test. Okay.

 

815

00:24:47,219 --> 00:24:50,222

And here's the way I liken it.

 

816

00:24:50,288 --> 00:24:51,890

The speed limit out there on the freeway

 

817

00:24:51,890 --> 00:24:54,292

is 70 miles an hour. Okay.

 

818

00:24:54,292 --> 00:24:55,760

I'm pretty sure a Corvette will do

 

819

00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,696

100 and 4050.

 

820

00:24:57,696 --> 00:24:59,498

I'm pretty sure the Mercedes has one.

 

821

00:24:59,498 --> 00:24:59,965

That'll do

 

822

00:24:59,965 --> 00:25:01,032

hundred 4050,

 

823

00:25:01,032 --> 00:25:02,701

160 miles an hour or two

 

824

00:25:02,701 --> 00:25:05,036

and push probably the same.

 

825

00:25:05,036 --> 00:25:07,806

And I don't see the sales reps for four

 

826

00:25:07,806 --> 00:25:09,140

for the Corvette go.

 

827

00:25:09,140 --> 00:25:10,342

You know what,

 

828

00:25:10,342 --> 00:25:11,243

I don't even worry about that

 

829

00:25:11,243 --> 00:25:11,977

70 miles an hour.

 

830

00:25:11,977 --> 00:25:14,579

I mean, we can do 150. Okay.

 

831

00:25:14,579 --> 00:25:15,714

So I'll take that

 

832

00:25:15,714 --> 00:25:17,549

curve at 150 miles an hour.

 

833

00:25:17,549 --> 00:25:19,184

We can do every bit of that.

 

834

00:25:19,184 --> 00:25:23,688

I just think if there were if they were

 

835

00:25:23,788 --> 00:25:25,123

not just not

 

836

00:25:25,123 --> 00:25:26,091

car dealer reps,

 

837

00:25:26,091 --> 00:25:27,592

but adhesive people or whatever

 

838

00:25:27,592 --> 00:25:29,160

it is in our industry,

 

839

00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,161

that's what they'd be.

 

840

00:25:30,161 --> 00:25:30,962

Instead of saying no,

 

841

00:25:30,962 --> 00:25:33,932

go 70 miles an hour, be on the safe side.

 

842

00:25:34,199 --> 00:25:36,301

I think because it's too cavalier,

 

843

00:25:36,301 --> 00:25:40,238

it's too the contractor is the one that

 

844

00:25:40,305 --> 00:25:42,908

that that that is the most affected.

 

845

00:25:42,908 --> 00:25:44,276

And I think you should look at every job.

 

846

00:25:44,276 --> 00:25:44,976

When you look at the job,

 

847

00:25:44,976 --> 00:25:45,911

I think you should look at the job

 

848

00:25:45,911 --> 00:25:47,145

and say to myself,

 

849

00:25:47,145 --> 00:25:50,148

can I afford to eat this job?

 

850

00:25:50,215 --> 00:25:53,084

And that should drive everything.

 

851

00:25:53,084 --> 00:25:55,387

I think we have to get we have to

 

852

00:25:55,387 --> 00:25:58,023

in this in this industry, start

 

853

00:25:58,023 --> 00:26:00,625

as an entire industry the responsibility

 

854

00:26:00,625 --> 00:26:02,260

and or actually

 

855

00:26:02,260 --> 00:26:03,962

taking less responsibility.

 

856

00:26:03,962 --> 00:26:05,764

The onus is left, you know,

 

857

00:26:05,764 --> 00:26:07,966

I mean almost how dare all the other

 

858

00:26:07,966 --> 00:26:09,100

the general contractors

 

859

00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:10,435

and everybody else say,

 

860

00:26:10,435 --> 00:26:11,536

you know, you need to go

 

861

00:26:11,536 --> 00:26:12,070

no matter what

 

862

00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:13,171

because this is the time period.

 

863

00:26:13,171 --> 00:26:14,239

Well, blah, blah.

 

864

00:26:14,239 --> 00:26:14,973

It should be that

 

865

00:26:14,973 --> 00:26:16,808

you get that ready for me.

 

866

00:26:16,808 --> 00:26:18,176

You do the you show me the count.

 

867

00:26:18,176 --> 00:26:18,910

You know what

 

868

00:26:18,910 --> 00:26:20,378

we're what our Ari says

 

869

00:26:20,378 --> 00:26:21,880

is acceptable to you.

 

870

00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:22,747

You know what I mean?

 

871

00:26:22,747 --> 00:26:24,649

We take on a lot of liability.

 

872

00:26:24,649 --> 00:26:27,552

And here's here's here's the other thing

 

873

00:26:27,552 --> 00:26:29,154

I told you about the plastic,

 

874

00:26:29,154 --> 00:26:29,654

what have you.

 

875

00:26:29,654 --> 00:26:31,022

And I told you about how important

 

876

00:26:31,022 --> 00:26:33,258

the water to cement ratio is.

 

877

00:26:33,258 --> 00:26:34,526

When I was a construction labor

 

878

00:26:34,526 --> 00:26:35,527

and I know I've said this before,

 

879

00:26:35,527 --> 00:26:37,596

so I'm going to say this quickly.

 

880

00:26:37,662 --> 00:26:39,464

I place concrete

 

881

00:26:39,464 --> 00:26:40,131

every day

 

882

00:26:40,131 --> 00:26:41,766

when I or every week, rather,

 

883

00:26:41,766 --> 00:26:43,234

when I was in that in that

 

884

00:26:43,234 --> 00:26:45,003

when I was a labor.

 

885

00:26:45,003 --> 00:26:46,805

And it's a very typical scenario.

 

886

00:26:46,805 --> 00:26:47,606

It happened more times

 

887

00:26:47,606 --> 00:26:49,174

than I can tell you.

 

888

00:26:49,174 --> 00:26:49,808

Let's say we're pouring

 

889

00:26:49,808 --> 00:26:51,943

concrete on Thursday.

 

890

00:26:51,943 --> 00:26:52,811

Monday, it's raining.

 

891

00:26:52,811 --> 00:26:53,311

It's been raining

 

892

00:26:53,311 --> 00:26:54,412

all weekend, It's raining

 

893

00:26:54,412 --> 00:26:55,914

Monday, it's raining Tuesday,

 

894

00:26:55,914 --> 00:26:57,148

it's raining Wednesday.

 

895

00:26:57,148 --> 00:26:58,750

Thursday is going to be beautiful out.

 

896

00:26:58,750 --> 00:26:59,918

Okay.

 

897

00:26:59,918 --> 00:27:00,685

When we get there

 

898

00:27:00,685 --> 00:27:03,054

to do our job on a Thursday,

 

899

00:27:03,054 --> 00:27:04,956

we're standing on that moisture barrier

 

900

00:27:04,956 --> 00:27:07,659

that's been now soaked with water.

 

901

00:27:07,659 --> 00:27:08,460

There's water on top

 

902

00:27:08,460 --> 00:27:09,160

with water everywhere.

 

903

00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,261

So let's say we don't do anything

 

904

00:27:10,261 --> 00:27:11,796

but pour that can't replace the concrete.

 

905

00:27:11,796 --> 00:27:12,931

On top of that.

 

906

00:27:12,931 --> 00:27:14,099

Still,

 

907

00:27:14,099 --> 00:27:16,635

we've just added a tremendous amount of

 

908

00:27:16,635 --> 00:27:17,769

water into that mix.

 

909

00:27:17,769 --> 00:27:19,337

And where is it going to go?

 

910

00:27:19,337 --> 00:27:20,405

Okay.

 

911

00:27:20,405 --> 00:27:21,239

Or two

 

912

00:27:21,239 --> 00:27:22,440

and this is what happened

 

913

00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:23,808

time after time,

 

914

00:27:23,808 --> 00:27:25,143

we would pick up stakes and start

 

915

00:27:25,143 --> 00:27:26,911

poking holes in the plastic

 

916

00:27:26,911 --> 00:27:29,314

to let the water do.

 

917

00:27:29,381 --> 00:27:30,148

Absolutely.

 

918

00:27:30,148 --> 00:27:31,816

To let the water run out.

 

919

00:27:31,816 --> 00:27:33,718

And it was not malicious.

 

920

00:27:33,718 --> 00:27:35,553

It was just dumb laborers.

 

921

00:27:35,553 --> 00:27:36,254

We didn't know.

 

922

00:27:36,254 --> 00:27:38,523

We our job is to get that concrete done

 

923

00:27:38,523 --> 00:27:40,792

and whatever made our life easier.

 

924

00:27:40,792 --> 00:27:42,527

And it wasn't malicious at all,

 

925

00:27:42,527 --> 00:27:44,462

but that's the way it was done

 

926

00:27:44,462 --> 00:27:48,266

and that's not the end of it,

 

927

00:27:48,333 --> 00:27:48,833

you know?

 

928

00:27:48,833 --> 00:27:50,101

Then we would drop the chutes down

 

929

00:27:50,101 --> 00:27:52,237

from the from the concrete truck. Right.

 

930

00:27:52,237 --> 00:27:53,905

And, you know, concrete is going around

 

931

00:27:53,905 --> 00:27:54,739

in that truck, you know,

 

932

00:27:54,739 --> 00:27:55,173

and it starts

 

933

00:27:55,173 --> 00:27:56,608

sliding down the chute

 

934

00:27:56,608 --> 00:27:57,909

and it's slower than death

 

935

00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:59,310

and it's always in his heart.

 

936

00:27:59,310 --> 00:28:00,645

And that concrete is heavy

 

937

00:28:00,645 --> 00:28:02,080

and it's hard to move.

 

938

00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,982

And we're staring at it

 

939

00:28:03,982 --> 00:28:04,916

like we're really go.

 

940

00:28:04,916 --> 00:28:06,251

It is taking too long.

 

941

00:28:06,251 --> 00:28:07,352

Inevitably,

 

942

00:28:07,352 --> 00:28:08,887

somebody would jump up in the truck,

 

943

00:28:08,887 --> 00:28:10,388

take the garden hose and start

 

944

00:28:10,388 --> 00:28:12,857

spraying water into that mix. Okay.

 

945

00:28:12,857 --> 00:28:14,292

So it may have left

 

946

00:28:14,292 --> 00:28:15,193

wherever that concrete

 

947

00:28:15,193 --> 00:28:16,261

truck came from, whether

 

948

00:28:16,261 --> 00:28:19,464

proper water to cement ratio,

 

949

00:28:19,531 --> 00:28:21,332

but now we got done with it.

 

950

00:28:21,332 --> 00:28:23,134

So what would we do?

 

951

00:28:23,134 --> 00:28:25,437

We created very porous concrete

 

952

00:28:25,437 --> 00:28:29,274

and and and we underneath that,

 

953

00:28:29,340 --> 00:28:29,674

underneath

 

954

00:28:29,674 --> 00:28:30,809

that moisture

 

955

00:28:30,809 --> 00:28:33,445

barrier is an infinite supply of water.

 

956

00:28:33,445 --> 00:28:35,814

An infinite supply.

 

957

00:28:35,814 --> 00:28:37,582

So,

 

958

00:28:37,582 --> 00:28:38,817

you know, the

 

959

00:28:38,817 --> 00:28:39,884

how would the contractor know

 

960

00:28:39,884 --> 00:28:40,952

any of this?

 

961

00:28:40,952 --> 00:28:41,953

You know what I mean?

 

962

00:28:41,953 --> 00:28:43,688

So I think that also

 

963

00:28:43,688 --> 00:28:45,256

it tells me that I would,

 

964

00:28:45,256 --> 00:28:47,425

you know, if we say, okay,

 

965

00:28:47,425 --> 00:28:48,626

this amount

 

966

00:28:48,626 --> 00:28:51,629

of is good or whatever, I would

 

967

00:28:51,663 --> 00:28:54,265

oftentimes probably go to the maximum.

 

968

00:28:54,265 --> 00:28:54,632

I would

 

969

00:28:54,632 --> 00:28:56,267

I would go for the unlimited

 

970

00:28:56,267 --> 00:28:58,403

and work it into the into the bid.

 

971

00:28:58,403 --> 00:29:00,004

It's easier to have that conversation

 

972

00:29:00,004 --> 00:29:04,109

on the front side than on the backside.

 

973

00:29:04,175 --> 00:29:07,045

So because here's your choices.

 

974

00:29:07,045 --> 00:29:09,380

You can you can do your moisture test

 

975

00:29:09,380 --> 00:29:11,983

and you can say, okay, we need to wait

 

976

00:29:11,983 --> 00:29:13,351

because it's not ready yet.

 

977

00:29:13,351 --> 00:29:14,919

Well Oftentimes

 

978

00:29:14,919 --> 00:29:15,153

we know

 

979

00:29:15,153 --> 00:29:16,254

we're going to get left out of the job

 

980

00:29:16,254 --> 00:29:16,855

because one of the worst

 

981

00:29:16,855 --> 00:29:18,056

things that happened to us is a

 

982

00:29:18,056 --> 00:29:20,091

trade is fast track construction.

 

983

00:29:20,091 --> 00:29:21,092

Okay.

 

984

00:29:21,092 --> 00:29:22,727

So you can say we have to wait.

 

985

00:29:22,727 --> 00:29:23,695

Well, a lot of times

 

986

00:29:23,695 --> 00:29:25,997

turning these homes over 90 days,

 

987

00:29:25,997 --> 00:29:27,232

there's no waiting.

 

988

00:29:27,232 --> 00:29:28,800

It's not going happen.

 

989

00:29:28,867 --> 00:29:29,934

Number two is we

 

990

00:29:29,934 --> 00:29:30,502

can say, okay,

 

991

00:29:30,502 --> 00:29:33,004

we need to bring in the low RH

 

992

00:29:33,004 --> 00:29:36,941

fans, baseball fans on here and we can

 

993

00:29:37,008 --> 00:29:38,309

turn the heat on.

 

994

00:29:38,309 --> 00:29:39,110

And that will help.

 

995

00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:39,644

No question.

 

996

00:29:39,644 --> 00:29:42,914

That will help or or three.

 

997

00:29:42,914 --> 00:29:43,681

But the problem is

 

998

00:29:43,681 --> 00:29:44,315

we don't know how long

 

999

00:29:44,315 --> 00:29:46,117

it's going to take. Right?

 

1000

00:29:46,117 --> 00:29:47,085

Or three, we can

 

1001

00:29:47,085 --> 00:29:48,920

we can understand that

 

1002

00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:49,354

we should do

 

1003

00:29:49,354 --> 00:29:51,422

the moisture mitigation into the bid

 

1004

00:29:51,422 --> 00:29:52,891

and plan on putting down

 

1005

00:29:52,891 --> 00:29:54,292

like they're using the 540

 

1006

00:29:54,292 --> 00:29:55,360

and using the

 

1007

00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,295

the adhesive with the unlimited moisture.

 

1008

00:29:57,295 --> 00:29:59,197

You use that amount of adhesive.

 

1009

00:29:59,197 --> 00:30:00,832

I still think number two is a good step

 

1010

00:30:00,832 --> 00:30:03,334

no matter what the fans.

 

1011

00:30:03,334 --> 00:30:03,968

I think it's a

 

1012

00:30:03,968 --> 00:30:06,337

it's a fantastic step to do that.

 

1013

00:30:06,337 --> 00:30:08,807

But I think that's the best way

 

1014

00:30:08,807 --> 00:30:12,877

you have to defend yourself and again,

 

1015

00:30:12,877 --> 00:30:15,880

I think that I don't know, like I said,

 

1016

00:30:15,947 --> 00:30:17,882

we say you don't need to test

 

1017

00:30:17,882 --> 00:30:18,850

other manufactures say

 

1018

00:30:18,850 --> 00:30:19,784

you don't need everybody

 

1019

00:30:19,784 --> 00:30:20,418

Unlimited says,

 

1020

00:30:20,418 --> 00:30:22,053

but you don't have to test.

 

1021

00:30:22,053 --> 00:30:25,056

I am I would say this again,

 

1022

00:30:25,056 --> 00:30:26,424

no matter who I work for,

 

1023

00:30:26,424 --> 00:30:29,160

I just know that much about wood

 

1024

00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,728

and I know that much about the trade

 

1025

00:30:30,728 --> 00:30:31,229

and the industry.

 

1026

00:30:31,229 --> 00:30:32,397

I've seen so much

 

1027

00:30:32,397 --> 00:30:33,164

that it tells me that

 

1028

00:30:33,164 --> 00:30:35,867

this makes sense to me.

 

1029

00:30:35,967 --> 00:30:37,869

People will say,

 

1030

00:30:37,869 --> 00:30:39,504

Well, when there's a labor shortage,

 

1031

00:30:39,504 --> 00:30:40,705

I don't have time to run out there

 

1032

00:30:40,705 --> 00:30:42,173

and do a test.

 

1033

00:30:42,173 --> 00:30:44,709

And I think that that is the very reason

 

1034

00:30:44,709 --> 00:30:46,978

you need to go out there and do a test

 

1035

00:30:46,978 --> 00:30:49,280

for two reasons. One,

 

1036

00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,115

you don't have time for this callback

 

1037

00:30:51,115 --> 00:30:52,884

and you don't want this smoke,

 

1038

00:30:52,884 --> 00:30:55,353

as they say.

 

1039

00:30:55,353 --> 00:30:56,688

But the second reason

 

1040

00:30:56,688 --> 00:30:58,356

is I'm going to get that

 

1041

00:30:58,356 --> 00:30:59,757

if I'm building this job

 

1042

00:30:59,757 --> 00:31:01,926

and I'm being against other people

 

1043

00:31:01,926 --> 00:31:04,462

and they're not testing,

 

1044

00:31:04,462 --> 00:31:06,464

then I'm going to

 

1045

00:31:06,464 --> 00:31:07,599

I'm going to get that bid

 

1046

00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:07,966

because I'm

 

1047

00:31:07,966 --> 00:31:08,800

going to explain

 

1048

00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:09,801

how important this is

 

1049

00:31:09,801 --> 00:31:11,736

that I'm doing this test right now.

 

1050

00:31:11,736 --> 00:31:12,570

And I'm going to say,

 

1051

00:31:12,570 --> 00:31:13,605

if I don't do this test

 

1052

00:31:13,605 --> 00:31:16,241

and everything I do afterwards, guessing

 

1053

00:31:16,241 --> 00:31:18,476

and it's just going to make me

 

1054

00:31:18,476 --> 00:31:19,711

look so much more professional

 

1055

00:31:19,711 --> 00:31:20,979

than the next guy.

 

1056

00:31:20,979 --> 00:31:21,679

And by the way,

 

1057

00:31:21,679 --> 00:31:23,414

and this is important, too,

 

1058

00:31:23,414 --> 00:31:25,383

if you're dealing with a guy on the job

 

1059

00:31:25,383 --> 00:31:26,951

and the homeowner or whatever,

 

1060

00:31:26,951 --> 00:31:29,454

I give everybody a copy of the results

 

1061

00:31:29,454 --> 00:31:32,023

of that of that test.

 

1062

00:31:32,090 --> 00:31:33,758

Because

 

1063

00:31:33,758 --> 00:31:35,126

if there's an issue

 

1064

00:31:35,126 --> 00:31:37,629

and you say, I moved forward with this

 

1065

00:31:37,629 --> 00:31:38,897

and this was the test results,

 

1066

00:31:38,897 --> 00:31:40,832

did you share them with anybody?

 

1067

00:31:40,832 --> 00:31:42,166

No, I just took it upon myself

 

1068

00:31:42,166 --> 00:31:44,402

to say that it was go, go.

 

1069

00:31:44,402 --> 00:31:45,670

Just because people

 

1070

00:31:45,670 --> 00:31:47,038

get dragged into these things,

 

1071

00:31:47,038 --> 00:31:48,206

I would make sure everybody

 

1072

00:31:48,206 --> 00:31:51,809

has a copy of that of that test result.

 

1073

00:31:51,876 --> 00:31:53,411

If you are uncomfortable

 

1074

00:31:53,411 --> 00:31:54,913

doing these of tests or whatever,

 

1075

00:31:54,913 --> 00:31:57,181

you do a lot of them whenever you hire

 

1076

00:31:57,181 --> 00:31:58,383

a third party to do them.

 

1077

00:31:58,383 --> 00:31:59,851

I actually think that's pretty smart

 

1078

00:31:59,851 --> 00:32:00,852

because

 

1079

00:32:00,852 --> 00:32:03,321

they don't have a dog in the fight.

 

1080

00:32:03,321 --> 00:32:03,988

That third party

 

1081

00:32:03,988 --> 00:32:06,624

is not going to say Yes, go or don't go.

 

1082

00:32:06,624 --> 00:32:07,592

They're just going to say, here's

 

1083

00:32:07,592 --> 00:32:16,200

the results of the test and

 

1084

00:32:16,267 --> 00:32:24,175

yeah,

 

1085

00:32:24,242 --> 00:32:26,110

You have to look at a job and say,

 

1086

00:32:26,110 --> 00:32:29,180

Can I afford to eat this job?

 

1087

00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:30,248

Boy, if more people

 

1088

00:32:30,248 --> 00:32:33,017

started looking at things like that, you,

 

1089

00:32:33,017 --> 00:32:34,552

you know, that's the last corner

 

1090

00:32:34,552 --> 00:32:35,486

they would want to cut.

 

1091

00:32:35,486 --> 00:32:38,222

But that was that's exactly what he does.

 

1092

00:32:38,222 --> 00:32:40,024

He goes to a third party.

 

1093

00:32:40,024 --> 00:32:40,725

They come in.

 

1094

00:32:40,725 --> 00:32:41,492

I don't know what

 

1095

00:32:41,492 --> 00:32:43,194

what he pays them, whatever It is

 

1096

00:32:43,194 --> 00:32:44,495

they come in

 

1097

00:32:44,495 --> 00:32:46,297

and all the paperwork is right there.

 

1098

00:32:46,297 --> 00:32:48,099

He gives that to the contractor.

 

1099

00:32:48,099 --> 00:32:50,835

He gives that to anybody involved in it.

 

1100

00:32:50,835 --> 00:32:52,103

Like, here it is.

 

1101

00:32:52,103 --> 00:32:55,106

There's all the paperwork.

 

1102

00:32:55,139 --> 00:32:55,907

yeah.

 

1103

00:32:55,907 --> 00:32:58,543

And that way, as you can see,

 

1104

00:32:58,543 --> 00:33:00,211

there was a meeting of the minds,

 

1105

00:33:00,211 --> 00:33:00,812

you know what I mean?

 

1106

00:33:00,812 --> 00:33:01,579

That you can tell

 

1107

00:33:01,579 --> 00:33:02,981

you're not out there by yourself

 

1108

00:33:02,981 --> 00:33:04,716

because it certainly if

 

1109

00:33:04,716 --> 00:33:05,283

you didn't

 

1110

00:33:05,283 --> 00:33:06,317

share it with anybody then

 

1111

00:33:06,317 --> 00:33:08,486

well you made the call and,

 

1112

00:33:08,486 --> 00:33:10,421

and unilaterally and what have you.

 

1113

00:33:10,421 --> 00:33:14,592

So anyhow, I just think it makes sense.

 

1114

00:33:14,659 --> 00:33:17,662

So like I said, I would say this.

 

1115

00:33:17,662 --> 00:33:20,732

I listen, I my whole career,

 

1116

00:33:20,865 --> 00:33:21,332

the reason

 

1117

00:33:21,332 --> 00:33:23,968

why I went to every individual school,

 

1118

00:33:23,968 --> 00:33:25,269

the reason why I went to inspector

 

1119

00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:26,004

school, the reason

 

1120

00:33:26,004 --> 00:33:26,971

why I did all these things,

 

1121

00:33:26,971 --> 00:33:29,207

because I was motivated by fear.

 

1122

00:33:29,207 --> 00:33:32,410

That is the 100% driving force

 

1123

00:33:32,477 --> 00:33:36,014

in my career I was afraid that one,

 

1124

00:33:36,114 --> 00:33:37,415

I would get called to do a job

 

1125

00:33:37,415 --> 00:33:38,883

that I didn't know how to do.

 

1126

00:33:38,883 --> 00:33:39,617

Like someone say

 

1127

00:33:39,617 --> 00:33:40,718

one of my good customers say, Hey,

 

1128

00:33:40,718 --> 00:33:41,953

I need you to do a Chevron floor

 

1129

00:33:41,953 --> 00:33:42,887

or herringbone floor

 

1130

00:33:42,887 --> 00:33:44,055

and I didn't know how to do it.

 

1131

00:33:44,055 --> 00:33:45,123

That always

 

1132

00:33:45,123 --> 00:33:46,024

nagged to me like,

 

1133

00:33:46,024 --> 00:33:46,691

I don't want to ever be

 

1134

00:33:46,691 --> 00:33:49,027

in that position too.

 

1135

00:33:49,027 --> 00:33:50,128

I don't like to be wrong

 

1136

00:33:50,128 --> 00:33:51,195

because when you're wrong,

 

1137

00:33:51,195 --> 00:33:52,663

you're just wrong.

 

1138

00:33:52,663 --> 00:33:58,169

And is as a bad, bad place to be.

 

1139

00:33:58,236 --> 00:34:00,338

I have

 

1140

00:34:00,338 --> 00:34:04,542

so so I think that

 

1141

00:34:04,609 --> 00:34:06,511

in in three, I never wanted to eat a job

 

1142

00:34:06,511 --> 00:34:07,412

like that. I didn't.

 

1143

00:34:07,412 --> 00:34:09,013

And so that's why I was motivated.

 

1144

00:34:09,013 --> 00:34:10,681

I fear I didn't have the time.

 

1145

00:34:10,681 --> 00:34:11,816

I would be mortified,

 

1146

00:34:11,816 --> 00:34:12,383

first of all,

 

1147

00:34:12,383 --> 00:34:14,385

to do my everything about my business.

 

1148

00:34:14,385 --> 00:34:14,919

I just

 

1149

00:34:14,919 --> 00:34:17,188

and I don't have the time to go back.

 

1150

00:34:17,188 --> 00:34:20,191

I mean, I you know,

 

1151

00:34:20,358 --> 00:34:20,892

the worst

 

1152

00:34:20,892 --> 00:34:22,126

feeling in the world is

 

1153

00:34:22,126 --> 00:34:24,762

I have to drop back and redo this job

 

1154

00:34:24,762 --> 00:34:26,364

when I could be on the other side of town

 

1155

00:34:26,364 --> 00:34:28,166

making a lot of money on this job.

 

1156

00:34:28,166 --> 00:34:29,467

So not only am I not getting

 

1157

00:34:29,467 --> 00:34:30,868

the money on this job,

 

1158

00:34:30,868 --> 00:34:32,003

I'm having to lose money

 

1159

00:34:32,003 --> 00:34:33,471

on this other job.

 

1160

00:34:33,471 --> 00:34:36,240

And We don't

 

1161

00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:38,209

we don't have there's not a there's

 

1162

00:34:38,209 --> 00:34:39,844

there's not 20 crews out there anymore.

 

1163

00:34:39,844 --> 00:34:41,112

You only have so many guys

 

1164

00:34:41,112 --> 00:34:42,647

to make you your money.

 

1165

00:34:42,647 --> 00:34:44,415

I mean, the having

 

1166

00:34:44,415 --> 00:34:45,249

the days of having

 

1167

00:34:45,249 --> 00:34:47,385

those are few and far between now.

 

1168

00:34:47,385 --> 00:34:48,553

So your time is to me

 

1169

00:34:48,553 --> 00:34:50,588

is more precious than ever.

 

1170

00:34:50,588 --> 00:34:51,522

It's a good thing is

 

1171

00:34:51,522 --> 00:34:52,723

I mean, there's opportunity there.

 

1172

00:34:52,723 --> 00:34:54,292

I mean you can charge money

 

1173

00:34:54,292 --> 00:34:54,926

and what have you

 

1174

00:34:54,926 --> 00:34:56,961

and those are good things.

 

1175

00:34:56,961 --> 00:34:58,429

But what you can't have is

 

1176

00:34:58,429 --> 00:35:00,298

you can't have the failures.

 

1177

00:35:00,298 --> 00:35:01,099

And so I'm just trying

 

1178

00:35:01,099 --> 00:35:02,700

to keep people out of

 

1179

00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:04,602

get themselves in a tough situation.

 

1180

00:35:04,602 --> 00:35:07,238

I also want to say this to

 

1181

00:35:07,238 --> 00:35:08,039

what I'm thinking about.

 

1182

00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:12,043

It is the the KSP of a slab of concrete

 

1183

00:35:12,043 --> 00:35:14,645

surface profile.

 

1184

00:35:14,712 --> 00:35:16,047

You know,

 

1185

00:35:16,047 --> 00:35:17,148

they measure it from, say,

 

1186

00:35:17,148 --> 00:35:18,382

1 to 9 or 1 to 10

 

1187

00:35:18,382 --> 00:35:19,717

who you talk to, talk to or whatever.

 

1188

00:35:19,717 --> 00:35:22,620

But but you, you know,

 

1189

00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:23,754

you got to have a slab

 

1190

00:35:23,754 --> 00:35:25,323

that is not too smooth,

 

1191

00:35:25,323 --> 00:35:27,391

that will accept the adhesive,

 

1192

00:35:27,391 --> 00:35:29,127

that adhesive will grab to it.

 

1193

00:35:29,127 --> 00:35:31,529

And I think most people know that.

 

1194

00:35:31,529 --> 00:35:33,030

But what I've seen a few times,

 

1195

00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:33,931

if someone says,

 

1196

00:35:33,931 --> 00:35:34,732

yeah, no, we go in there,

 

1197

00:35:34,732 --> 00:35:35,633

we grind the concrete,

 

1198

00:35:35,633 --> 00:35:37,802

we say in the concrete,

 

1199

00:35:37,802 --> 00:35:39,470

but they're really polishing

 

1200

00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:40,972

that concrete so much

 

1201

00:35:40,972 --> 00:35:42,840

that they're almost putting a surface

 

1202

00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:43,107

on there

 

1203

00:35:43,107 --> 00:35:43,808

that is like,

 

1204

00:35:43,808 --> 00:35:45,042

that's, that's not acceptable,

 

1205

00:35:45,042 --> 00:35:46,344

is too smooth.

 

1206

00:35:46,344 --> 00:35:48,112

They'll just be aware of that,

 

1207

00:35:48,112 --> 00:35:48,613

that you

 

1208

00:35:48,613 --> 00:35:50,414

when you when you prepare the slab.

 

1209

00:35:50,414 --> 00:35:51,415

And also

 

1210

00:35:51,415 --> 00:35:51,949

when I talked about

 

1211

00:35:51,949 --> 00:35:53,184

carrying compounds on there

 

1212

00:35:53,184 --> 00:35:55,553

or if the concrete is too smooth,

 

1213

00:35:55,553 --> 00:35:56,754

you can do a simple test.

 

1214

00:35:56,754 --> 00:35:58,055

It's still effective.

 

1215

00:35:58,055 --> 00:35:59,023

It's just poor water

 

1216

00:35:59,023 --> 00:36:01,125

droplets on that slab and see if it

 

1217

00:36:01,125 --> 00:36:03,027

if it if you know what's out

 

1218

00:36:03,027 --> 00:36:05,396

or B just stays sitting

 

1219

00:36:05,396 --> 00:36:06,898

on that slab in a in a

 

1220

00:36:06,898 --> 00:36:09,534

in a like a bubble or whatever.

 

1221

00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,135

It gives you an indication of that.

 

1222

00:36:11,135 --> 00:36:12,737

There's something on there.

 

1223

00:36:12,737 --> 00:36:13,437

And by the way,

 

1224

00:36:13,437 --> 00:36:14,972

if you do have to shop large

 

1225

00:36:14,972 --> 00:36:17,975

let's see have when I said that

 

1226

00:36:18,009 --> 00:36:19,010

a slab might have carrying

 

1227

00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:20,945

compounds on it,

 

1228

00:36:20,945 --> 00:36:22,113

you you have to shop

 

1229

00:36:22,113 --> 00:36:23,648

like I said off there,

 

1230

00:36:23,648 --> 00:36:25,449

but that's when you need to do

 

1231

00:36:25,449 --> 00:36:27,084

your, your testing,

 

1232

00:36:27,084 --> 00:36:28,686

not before

 

1233

00:36:28,686 --> 00:36:29,620

you do it before or whatever

 

1234

00:36:29,620 --> 00:36:31,589

but the real test is after you shop

 

1235

00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:32,490

last slab

 

1236

00:36:32,490 --> 00:36:33,758

is when you should do your testing

 

1237

00:36:33,758 --> 00:36:35,193

because that will change

 

1238

00:36:35,193 --> 00:36:36,661

the moisture dynamic in that slot,

 

1239

00:36:36,661 --> 00:36:38,029

in that slab

 

1240

00:36:38,029 --> 00:36:39,230

and some other things about it.

 

1241

00:36:39,230 --> 00:36:40,097

So that's

 

1242

00:36:40,097 --> 00:36:41,132

what do you want to make sure you do

 

1243

00:36:41,132 --> 00:36:45,102

your tests off of that surface.

 

1244

00:36:45,203 --> 00:36:48,906

Okay.

 

1245

00:36:48,973 --> 00:36:56,614

Yeah, perfect.

 

1246

00:36:56,681 --> 00:36:59,550

No, you can't.

 

1247

00:36:59,550 --> 00:37:01,018

yeah. Slowly.

 

1248

00:37:01,018 --> 00:37:05,189

Yeah,

 

1249

00:37:05,289 --> 00:37:06,591

yeah,

 

1250

00:37:06,657 --> 00:37:08,125

yeah, yeah, yeah.

 

1251

00:37:08,125 --> 00:37:11,395

We scared of being a sissy.

 

1252

00:37:11,462 --> 00:37:14,332

Absolutely.

 

1253

00:37:14,332 --> 00:37:15,032

Calcium chloride.

 

1254

00:37:15,032 --> 00:37:16,100

When you do your tests,

 

1255

00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:17,468

you should do them in

 

1256

00:37:17,468 --> 00:37:20,171

in, you know, a couple of them, actually.

 

1257

00:37:20,171 --> 00:37:21,439

Well, you probably know

 

1258

00:37:21,439 --> 00:37:23,407

there's three per thousand square feet

 

1259

00:37:23,407 --> 00:37:25,409

and then one prairie every thousands

 

1260

00:37:25,409 --> 00:37:26,277

square foot after that.

 

1261

00:37:26,277 --> 00:37:27,211

But you know,

 

1262

00:37:27,211 --> 00:37:28,613

put some a towards

 

1263

00:37:28,613 --> 00:37:29,447

the outside walls

 

1264

00:37:29,447 --> 00:37:31,849

where you would expect more moisture

 

1265

00:37:31,849 --> 00:37:33,951

and then some in the center also.

 

1266

00:37:33,951 --> 00:37:35,253

So, yes.

 

1267

00:37:35,253 --> 00:37:36,187

And I actually

 

1268

00:37:36,187 --> 00:37:38,756

I put a newspaper down there.

 

1269

00:37:38,756 --> 00:37:40,524

It's a paper trail, you know what I mean?

 

1270

00:37:40,524 --> 00:37:40,891

That is

 

1271

00:37:40,891 --> 00:37:42,493

when I did my testing or what have you.

 

1272

00:37:42,493 --> 00:37:43,661

So.

 

1273

00:37:43,661 --> 00:37:44,128

All right.

 

1274

00:37:44,128 --> 00:37:46,664

So I just.

 

1275

00:37:46,664 --> 00:37:47,598

Yeah, yeah.

 

1276

00:37:47,598 --> 00:37:48,966

No, no.

 

1277

00:37:48,966 --> 00:37:49,800

Just because you like

 

1278

00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:50,601

reading the newspaper

 

1279

00:37:50,601 --> 00:37:52,770

while you're waiting on the tests.

 

1280

00:37:52,770 --> 00:37:54,505

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

 

1281

00:37:54,505 --> 00:37:56,107

For the date. Yeah.

 

1282

00:37:56,173 --> 00:37:58,075

So anyhow,

 

1283

00:37:58,075 --> 00:37:58,709

what's going on with that

 

1284

00:37:58,709 --> 00:37:59,510

child in the background?

 

1285

00:37:59,510 --> 00:38:04,882

Is he being tortured?

 

1286

00:38:04,949 --> 00:38:06,784

Of course,

 

1287

00:38:06,784 --> 00:38:10,688

yeah.

 

1288

00:38:10,755 --> 00:38:14,692

Well,

 

1289

00:38:14,792 --> 00:38:21,098

yeah.

 

1290

00:38:21,165 --> 00:38:22,133

no kidding.

 

1291

00:38:22,133 --> 00:38:24,402

That's nice

 

1292

00:38:24,402 --> 00:38:28,572

and sweet.

 

1293

00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:33,377

Yeah.

 

1294

00:38:33,477 --> 00:38:36,480

Okay.

 

1295

00:38:36,647 --> 00:38:37,948

Okay.

 

1296

00:38:37,948 --> 00:38:39,350

Very nice.

 

1297

00:38:39,350 --> 00:38:40,351

Okay, Rob.

 

1298

00:38:40,351 --> 00:38:41,585

Well, are the only

 

1299

00:38:41,585 --> 00:38:42,687

the only thing I'm going to add to

 

1300

00:38:42,687 --> 00:38:44,088

this episode is

 

1301

00:38:44,088 --> 00:38:44,889

I know they

 

1302

00:38:44,889 --> 00:38:46,691

they're announcing the the the

 

1303

00:38:46,691 --> 00:38:47,925

the for the year winners.

 

1304

00:38:47,925 --> 00:38:50,828

I know a couple of guys that won already,

 

1305

00:38:50,828 --> 00:38:52,296

so

 

1306

00:38:52,296 --> 00:38:53,164

I'm excited for them.

 

1307

00:38:53,164 --> 00:38:53,831

We'll talk to well,

 

1308

00:38:53,831 --> 00:38:54,632

maybe we'll have some guests

 

1309

00:38:54,632 --> 00:38:58,402

on that one for years this year

 

1310

00:38:58,502 --> 00:38:59,637

so.

 

1311

00:38:59,637 --> 00:39:01,005

Well stay tuned for that.

 

1312

00:39:01,005 --> 00:39:02,206

That'll be kind of cool to talk to those

 

1313

00:39:02,206 --> 00:39:03,207

I'm excited for.

 

1314

00:39:03,207 --> 00:39:04,375

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

 

1315

00:39:04,375 --> 00:39:05,643

Right on.

 

1316

00:39:05,643 --> 00:39:07,678

Okay. There you go.

 

1317

00:39:07,678 --> 00:39:08,913

This has been another episode

 

1318

00:39:08,913 --> 00:39:10,314

of On the Floor with Wendy, Rob,

 

1319

00:39:10,314 --> 00:39:11,549

please stay tuned for another episode.