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Okay.
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Hello and welcome to another episode
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of On the Floor with Wayne and Rob.
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I'm Wayne Highlander with Bona Adhesives.
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I'm Rob Johnson with thee Bona, Training.
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So we're going to talk about today.
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We are going to talk about
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the what do they call it, old age,
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old adage to fill or not to fill?
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To fill or not to fill.
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To fill or not to fill.
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Talking about Winslow. Correct.
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We are talking about
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filling those gaps.
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Yes, sir.
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All right.
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And we talk about customer expectations.
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I think this is another one.
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I mean, at times
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now I'm going to cite,
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an article by Roy Reichel.
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God bless him.
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Did you ever know?
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Did you know Roy?
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I think I met him one time at a school.
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Roy was, one of the,
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one of the most well known inspectors
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in our industry.
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He gave a lot back to our industry.
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And,
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we were lucky to have in the industry.
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And he passed away, I think, in 2021.
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I believe.
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A wonderful human being.
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And,
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he was a founder of Nashua
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Flooring Consultants, Inc.
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and, former inspector.
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He was very.
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Well, I don't know anybody that was more
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well then than Roy and,
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and his,
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prowess for inspections
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and his knowledge in the industry.
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And,
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he wrote a great article and,
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for the Harbor for business magazine.
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I don't know what it was I'm gonna say.
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Is 2013 about about just this very topic.
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And I, I think that,
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it'd be a good one to talk about.
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Is it something that I never,
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never considered my entire 30
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years of doing floors for 30 years?
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With one exception.
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I'll tell you what the exception was.
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Every single week
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we went to do a sand job.
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And I have, you know,
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gaps in the floor.
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We try to fill every job.
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Never gave it a second thought.
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And I have zero regrets doing it.
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That's the way it was done
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where I lived, right?
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Right.
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Only exception to
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that was the 5/16 top nail floor
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with a bad subfloor
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that had a lot of vertical movement.
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That was sometime changed my my approach.
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I did a lot of hand putting in
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cleaning what I tell you
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because what I wanted to do,
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because prices, these forces all top nail
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every seven inches.
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You got raw nails,
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six inches in some areas.
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You want to feel those nails,
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but I didn't.
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I couldn't
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get the wood filler in the cracks
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because I knew I was going to lose it.
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It was going to be unsightly
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down the road. So consequently we did.
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We did a lot of hand put in.
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Never gave it another thought.
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something never had an issue.
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As I moved in, became to the East Coast
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and traveling
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became a whole different animal for me.
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In January,
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when the floors have all shrunk
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and you have the gaps or what have you.
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not talking about huge oversize gas,
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but you regular seasonal gaps
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and what have you.
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The question is do I to fill it?
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I've seen a lot of floors
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that were filled in in those months,
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those winter months that were,
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that, that were, were gapped out,
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trowel filled look. Fantastic homework.
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Oh my gosh. Here, here.
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Oh, thank you very much.
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And then come July
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when that board start to expand,
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that wood
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filler gets squeezed up and pushed out
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and it looks unsightly.
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Right.
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And then sometimes it shrinks again
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and you lose part of the wood filler.
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Right now you get a four
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that's kind of filled,
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kind of not filled.
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Instead of all uniform and the same.
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I think this requires a conversation
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of the to fill or not to fill.
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so I want to get your thoughts on that
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before I go any farther as well.
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For us,
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where we live here in the northeast.
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I would hope
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that it would bust out.
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I would hope that
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if I filled something in January,
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come summer, when she starts to swell,
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I would hope it would break out.
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I've seen happen sometimes is
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the boards will come.
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Yeah, that putty stays there,
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the filler stays there,
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and then you end up with capping.
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And if you end up with too much cutting,
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you can end up with splintering.
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So we I'm hoping that it busts out.
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we learned a long time ago and
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everybody knows the deal okay.
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And I say this a thousand times
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every single training
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is this is a craft okay.
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It's a craft.
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And you and I,
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even though we're doing
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we're in the same business.
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We might do things a little different.
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And it doesn't mean that you're wrong,
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and it doesn't mean that
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I'm right or whatever.
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Well, you probably think you're right,
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and I'm always wrong,
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but I'm not going to.
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I'm not going to go there. Yeah.
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Yeah, exactly. But
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my thing, okay.
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We didn't
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we didn't.
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And what I learned was we.
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Didn't why.
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We didn't trowel fill okay.
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The only time we would trowel
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fill is after I was completely done
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with the education seminar
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that I used to put people through
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about child filling,
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if we walked into the job
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and it was looked like not.
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You know what I mean?
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No big deal. I'm not saying anything.
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Yeah, if I walked into a job,
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a job
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July and August
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and we saw a couple of seams
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that were open,
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I had no problem filling them because.
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It's probably not a seasonal gap.
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Could be something else.
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Yeah, but
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I walked into a job one time to get paid
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and the guy looked at me
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and he goes, we're
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are you going to fill these cracks?
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And I said, well, you know, those
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blah, blah, blah.
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And the whole time
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he's looking at me like, I don't care.
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I want him felt okay,
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because now does sound like
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I didn't want to work.
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Yeah, you know what I mean.
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Now I'm just a lazy guy
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who didn't want to fill the stuff. Okay?
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Even when I specifically told him
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about the whole thing.
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So after that day, we
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educated homeowners
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big time about movement
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and this and that, and I,
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I know I've said it before,
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but I would always use your bathroom door
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as an example
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because
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sometimes people just don't realize
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that their floor moves.
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Yeah. They don't they don't get it.
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You know,
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they don't really notice the gaps.
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They don't see when it's tight. Whatever.
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So I would always say,
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you know,
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your bathroom door
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in the winter closes
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a little easier
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than it does in the summer.
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Because in the summer
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you got the added humidity.
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But you get your also
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your shower
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and your water going in there.
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So that door
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out of all the doors in your house
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is always going to be the tight one.
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Pump summer and then in the winter.
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And a lot of people are
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like, you know, when they would
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it would just give them something
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to think about.
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And I would tell them, your floor
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does that same thing.
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Okay. Yeah.
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And if I do trowel
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fill this, there's a point where
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once we go
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through a couple of seasons
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of expansion and contraction,
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some of that stuff might bust out
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or the floor might cup,
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and now everything's
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gonna look like hell.
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so it's just
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part of the charm,
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I would say, of a hardwood floor is,
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you know,
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she's kind of living and breathing
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expand and contracting.
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And I said,
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and there's all sorts of things
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we can do, you know, add this humidity.
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I mean, the winters around here,
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everybody turns on their heat,
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things get really dry.
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I go, if you can do things to, you know,
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Pauline used to put bowls of water
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in front of some of the heat ducts.
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Just because
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right there in the heat duct.
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But if we get some incredible
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shrinkage in my house
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was built in the 50s, so,
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you know, it expands.
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It's still expanding and
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contracting like crazy.
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Then when I was completely done
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with the education seminar
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and they would, you know,
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and then you're waiting and,
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you know, sometimes people are like,
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okay, yeah, I get it,
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but I still want it filled.
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Okay. All right.
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You know, I told you everything.
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If you, you know, this is your floor.
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I'm working for you.
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All right?
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If you still want it done,
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then, you know, then I would.
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Then we would do it. Yeah.
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It was probably
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the only time that we were child fill.
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Yeah.
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And then the other times too,
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you know, if people would say, hey,
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I definitely want to.
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I mean, I remember there was one time
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that I said to the guy,
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go, there's just way too much movement
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on your floor. I mean,
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this thing is just,
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you know, it's a springboard.
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I go, we can.
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Yeah.
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And I actually put some
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and let it dry overnight.
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And then the next day
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did a little movement on it.
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And you know,
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he saw it kind of pop up and he's like,
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oh okay.
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Do you know what that guy dead weight.
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You know what that guy did.
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But.
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He Charles
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Hill the floor over the weekend
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when we were gone.
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No kidding.
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Yeah.
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He's born to,
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Wow.
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He use Bondo.
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So I would wonder if that's the
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he would create compression set.
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Oh, no no no no no no no no.
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This was an older floor too.
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Yeah. Older floor okay.
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Yeah.
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Bondo worked really good.
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Yeah.
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Worked really good
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until she wanted to shrink it.
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Then it was splitting the boards.
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While.
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The boards were splitting
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right down the middle.
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No, it was like an old six inch
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wow hard pine.
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And that.
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Unbelievable.
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And he called us back.
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The guy had the guts to call us back.
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Wow.
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And he's like,
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what do you think we can do?
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Bondo.
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Yeah.
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I wonder if, like,
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you know, sometimes too, if you do that
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and you fill it
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and it wants to move back,
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if you can create compression set,
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you know,
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where it's trying to move back
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and try to move back and try to move back
353
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and all you damage
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the fibers on the edge of the boards.
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And then finally just kind of gives up.
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And now then boards
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never, never, never expand.
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And that's it. Now.
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Now you're going to have oversize gaps.
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So
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you know like I said, it comes down to
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I talked to a lot of guys
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in the East Coast that go well,
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we don't try out for anything.
365
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We might try for the
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initial install for sure.
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And that,
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that guys, I'll just do the butt joints.
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I talked to guys and I'll just say,
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I know Santa finished job.
371
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Do we ever travel anymore because of it?
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According to Roy Reichel
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and his wood
374
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for business magazine,
375
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that there was 2013,
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he said there's,
377
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there's only three ways
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to prevent this on future jobs.
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Number one, wait until high grade season
380
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when gaps closed,
381
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then try to fill all remaining gaps.
382
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Okay.
383
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Number two spot fill only large gaps
384
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and leave the small ones
385
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for normal and required expansion.
386
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Remember,
387
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some gaps are considered okay.
388
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You know
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hairline gaps that expand and contract
390
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and move with seasons.
391
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They're considered okay.
392
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It's not an issue or number three trowel
393
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fill the floor in its current condition
394
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with a disclaimer
395
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of filler pushing up in your proposal
396
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and the cost to recode
397
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for in August
398
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at their expense
399
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to correct the condition.
400
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So yeah,
401
00:12:48,934 --> 00:12:49,935
they're walking on the floor
402
00:12:49,935 --> 00:12:51,670
where the filler has come up
403
00:12:51,670 --> 00:12:52,571
and you kind of snagging
404
00:12:52,571 --> 00:12:53,806
your socks on it,
405
00:12:53,806 --> 00:12:54,840
and you look across,
406
00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:56,108
it goes unsightly looking.
407
00:12:56,108 --> 00:12:57,176
You know, I mean, you know,
408
00:12:58,544 --> 00:13:00,980
that's what he's talking about.
409
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So,
410
00:13:02,715 --> 00:13:04,717
we're coming, you know,
411
00:13:04,717 --> 00:13:05,551
we're in August,
412
00:13:05,551 --> 00:13:06,752
we're in the height of the humidity
413
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season,
414
00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:08,888
and, it's
415
00:13:08,888 --> 00:13:10,422
going to start going into the winter
416
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months pretty soon.
417
00:13:12,124 --> 00:13:15,060
And, where this will become, you know,
418
00:13:15,060 --> 00:13:16,095
just again,
419
00:13:16,095 --> 00:13:16,829
the last episode,
420
00:13:16,829 --> 00:13:18,030
we talked about some sun
421
00:13:18,030 --> 00:13:21,033
fading and UV issues and,
422
00:13:22,101 --> 00:13:24,036
and here's another one that we
423
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something we experience
424
00:13:24,870 --> 00:13:27,573
all the time as well, this decision.
425
00:13:27,573 --> 00:13:29,041
And, you know,
426
00:13:29,041 --> 00:13:29,675
we get, you know,
427
00:13:29,675 --> 00:13:30,776
you go into that job, you're,
428
00:13:30,776 --> 00:13:31,811
you're measuring up the job
429
00:13:31,811 --> 00:13:33,579
and whatever the rooms and everything
430
00:13:33,579 --> 00:13:35,080
and, talking to the homeowner,
431
00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:35,648
some of these things
432
00:13:35,648 --> 00:13:37,283
kind of get away from us.
433
00:13:37,283 --> 00:13:40,286
So it's not a bad idea to have a list
434
00:13:40,419 --> 00:13:43,823
of things that need to be talked about.
435
00:13:43,956 --> 00:13:44,590
You could add
436
00:13:44,590 --> 00:13:45,991
you can add dog scratches in there
437
00:13:45,991 --> 00:13:47,660
dogs as well. Right.
438
00:13:47,660 --> 00:13:49,528
You know that those type of thing,
439
00:13:49,528 --> 00:13:51,530
there's like a list of several things
440
00:13:51,530 --> 00:13:52,698
you can add to your
441
00:13:52,698 --> 00:13:53,432
even if it's not for
442
00:13:53,432 --> 00:13:55,134
just your own mental note
443
00:13:55,134 --> 00:13:56,936
of of what to say and, and and
444
00:13:56,936 --> 00:13:57,803
what to consider.
445
00:13:59,672 --> 00:14:00,239
No, I
446
00:14:00,239 --> 00:14:01,140
completely agree
447
00:14:01,140 --> 00:14:04,143
because we just did it verbally.
448
00:14:04,443 --> 00:14:05,211
You know what I me
449
00:14:05,211 --> 00:14:05,978
the education
450
00:14:05,978 --> 00:14:07,079
seminar of why
451
00:14:07,079 --> 00:14:09,415
your floor's doing this and that.
452
00:14:09,415 --> 00:14:12,418
It was all verbal, you know, now
453
00:14:12,751 --> 00:14:13,385
you know,
454
00:14:13,385 --> 00:14:13,953
that'll hold up
455
00:14:13,953 --> 00:14:16,956
doing trainings and talking to people.
456
00:14:17,256 --> 00:14:18,757
Everybody is
457
00:14:18,757 --> 00:14:19,225
you know, that
458
00:14:19,225 --> 00:14:21,493
that one guy I met in Chicago,
459
00:14:21,493 --> 00:14:23,429
he gives two sheets of paper,
460
00:14:23,429 --> 00:14:24,897
one at the start of the job
461
00:14:24,897 --> 00:14:27,299
of exactly everything
462
00:14:27,299 --> 00:14:28,901
that you could think of.
463
00:14:28,901 --> 00:14:30,236
Yeah. What's entailed?
464
00:14:30,236 --> 00:14:33,305
And then at the end of the job, a full
465
00:14:33,539 --> 00:14:34,940
how to maintain
466
00:14:34,940 --> 00:14:37,943
what you need to do to keep this floor.
467
00:14:38,077 --> 00:14:39,812
And he talked about everything
468
00:14:39,812 --> 00:14:41,714
temperature, relative humidity,
469
00:14:41,714 --> 00:14:42,481
I mean, not
470
00:14:42,481 --> 00:14:43,349
just a,
471
00:14:43,349 --> 00:14:46,352
you know, keep the grit off of the floor.
472
00:14:47,253 --> 00:14:49,154
I took a copy of both
473
00:14:49,154 --> 00:14:50,222
and gave it the bomb.
474
00:14:50,222 --> 00:14:52,057
I was like, this is brilliant.
475
00:14:52,057 --> 00:14:53,459
You need to do this,
476
00:14:53,459 --> 00:14:55,127
you know, get it all in writing.
477
00:14:55,127 --> 00:14:59,265
Plus it reminds you to the things that,
478
00:14:59,632 --> 00:15:02,401
you know, you could get off on a tangent
479
00:15:02,401 --> 00:15:04,236
like you and I or the King
480
00:15:04,236 --> 00:15:05,971
getting off on a tangent.
481
00:15:05,971 --> 00:15:07,206
You might be wanting to tell
482
00:15:07,206 --> 00:15:08,173
some homeowner
483
00:15:08,173 --> 00:15:10,242
something about this or that,
484
00:15:10,242 --> 00:15:11,377
and then once you get going,
485
00:15:11,377 --> 00:15:12,544
you get sidetracked
486
00:15:12,544 --> 00:15:13,512
and you never mention,
487
00:15:13,512 --> 00:15:14,480
you forget to mention,
488
00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:15,848
oh, this is why I don't trial,
489
00:15:15,848 --> 00:15:16,749
fail or whatever.
490
00:15:16,749 --> 00:15:17,116
Yeah.
491
00:15:17,116 --> 00:15:19,685
So to have all of this in writing,
492
00:15:20,719 --> 00:15:21,587
I'm telling you,
493
00:15:21,587 --> 00:15:23,622
I think that is the absolute
494
00:15:23,622 --> 00:15:25,024
best way to go.
495
00:15:25,024 --> 00:15:26,191
Okay. So every.
496
00:15:26,191 --> 00:15:27,526
You can think about.
497
00:15:27,526 --> 00:15:28,394
Picture this scenario,
498
00:15:28,394 --> 00:15:30,162
then you did a job for someone
499
00:15:30,162 --> 00:15:31,563
a year ago.
500
00:15:31,563 --> 00:15:33,399
They call you back
501
00:15:33,399 --> 00:15:34,767
about this issue
502
00:15:34,767 --> 00:15:36,969
or about the other issue.
503
00:15:36,969 --> 00:15:37,803
And you didn't
504
00:15:37,803 --> 00:15:39,872
have that conversation versus
505
00:15:39,872 --> 00:15:41,040
I gave you that paperwork
506
00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:42,041
at the beginning of the job.
507
00:15:42,041 --> 00:15:42,908
You may still have that.
508
00:15:42,908 --> 00:15:43,742
Here's what we signed.
509
00:15:43,742 --> 00:15:45,978
And, you know, we went over these things.
510
00:15:45,978 --> 00:15:47,313
And so you're you're prepared
511
00:15:47,313 --> 00:15:50,316
or you got yourself covered.
512
00:15:50,482 --> 00:15:51,216
It's a whole different.
513
00:15:51,216 --> 00:15:52,551
There's nothing going in, nothing worse.
514
00:15:52,551 --> 00:15:54,353
It going into that conversation you know.
515
00:15:54,353 --> 00:15:55,354
Yeah we talked about remember
516
00:15:55,354 --> 00:15:57,122
everybody gets amnesia.
517
00:15:57,122 --> 00:15:58,324
You know how funny that happens.
518
00:15:58,324 --> 00:15:59,758
Where you know
519
00:15:59,758 --> 00:16:02,761
and in general contractors are the worst
520
00:16:02,962 --> 00:16:03,662
where, you know,
521
00:16:03,662 --> 00:16:04,830
you explain something to them,
522
00:16:04,830 --> 00:16:06,565
you got to have this way whatever.
523
00:16:06,565 --> 00:16:07,633
And you think you're thorough
524
00:16:07,633 --> 00:16:08,834
or you tell them about acclamation,
525
00:16:08,834 --> 00:16:10,169
these type of things,
526
00:16:10,169 --> 00:16:12,004
and then they call you for the next job
527
00:16:12,004 --> 00:16:13,405
two months down the road.
528
00:16:13,405 --> 00:16:15,307
It's like you never talked before,
529
00:16:15,307 --> 00:16:15,708
you know?
530
00:16:15,708 --> 00:16:16,842
Or if there's a problem,
531
00:16:16,842 --> 00:16:17,776
I guarantee you everybody's
532
00:16:17,776 --> 00:16:19,411
going to get any here.
533
00:16:19,411 --> 00:16:20,746
You know, if it's not written down,
534
00:16:21,714 --> 00:16:23,248
then,
535
00:16:23,248 --> 00:16:24,984
you know, it's a tough place to be.
536
00:16:24,984 --> 00:16:27,219
So I'm
537
00:16:27,219 --> 00:16:29,822
let's talk a little bit about filler.
538
00:16:29,822 --> 00:16:32,825
Let's talk about Pacific filler okay.
539
00:16:34,593 --> 00:16:35,661
You got to be careful
540
00:16:35,661 --> 00:16:38,163
with Pacific filler.
541
00:16:38,163 --> 00:16:40,799
A great filler, easy to use.
542
00:16:40,799 --> 00:16:41,734
I mean, especially
543
00:16:41,734 --> 00:16:42,701
since they reworked it
544
00:16:42,701 --> 00:16:44,503
a couple years ago.
545
00:16:44,503 --> 00:16:46,171
It's a dream to work with.
546
00:16:46,171 --> 00:16:49,241
Okay, but what I see
547
00:16:49,241 --> 00:16:51,677
sometimes are too many people like, hey,
548
00:16:51,677 --> 00:16:52,778
you know what?
549
00:16:52,778 --> 00:16:55,080
I've got a white oak floor.
550
00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,449
I'll get the white oak filler.
551
00:16:57,449 --> 00:16:59,551
And then they do Nordic
552
00:16:59,551 --> 00:17:02,521
seal on their white oak floor,
553
00:17:02,788 --> 00:17:03,589
you know what I'm saying?
554
00:17:03,589 --> 00:17:06,592
So you don't really need to.
555
00:17:07,192 --> 00:17:09,695
Before you choose a filler,
556
00:17:09,695 --> 00:17:11,864
make sure you know what the end color
557
00:17:11,864 --> 00:17:14,433
is going to be with the floor
558
00:17:14,433 --> 00:17:16,235
match to there. Okay?
559
00:17:16,235 --> 00:17:18,303
Because if you're doing a red oak floor,
560
00:17:18,303 --> 00:17:18,771
you know, 2
561
00:17:18,771 --> 00:17:19,805
or 3 coats of Nordic
562
00:17:19,805 --> 00:17:22,074
seal on a red oak floor,
563
00:17:22,074 --> 00:17:24,877
you might be better off using maple pine.
564
00:17:24,877 --> 00:17:26,145
That's going to get you a lot
565
00:17:26,145 --> 00:17:27,513
whiter color,
566
00:17:27,513 --> 00:17:29,615
going to get you much closer
567
00:17:29,615 --> 00:17:31,950
rather than well, it's a red oak floor.
568
00:17:31,950 --> 00:17:32,818
I'll use red oak
569
00:17:32,818 --> 00:17:34,486
and everything's going to change color.
570
00:17:34,486 --> 00:17:36,555
It'll change color a little bit,
571
00:17:36,555 --> 00:17:38,824
but I want to match my filler
572
00:17:38,824 --> 00:17:41,827
to my end color and then go from there.
573
00:17:42,294 --> 00:17:43,362
The great part about
574
00:17:45,264 --> 00:17:46,765
the Pacific filler.
575
00:17:46,765 --> 00:17:48,934
You can use universal tints.
576
00:17:48,934 --> 00:17:50,569
You can use
577
00:17:50,569 --> 00:17:51,437
oh, I wonder, I'm
578
00:17:51,437 --> 00:17:52,771
going to find out if we can use Chrome.
579
00:17:52,771 --> 00:17:54,073
I don't know if we can use Chrome here,
580
00:17:54,073 --> 00:17:56,775
but there are, you know, like I said,
581
00:17:56,775 --> 00:17:58,310
you can use universal tints
582
00:17:58,310 --> 00:17:59,812
or the dust from that job.
583
00:17:59,812 --> 00:18:00,813
You can mix that in there
584
00:18:00,813 --> 00:18:02,147
if you're doing a natural
585
00:18:02,147 --> 00:18:04,683
to make it look even closer to the floor.
586
00:18:04,683 --> 00:18:07,352
So you got a lot of opportunity
587
00:18:07,352 --> 00:18:09,421
with the Pacific filler. It.
588
00:18:09,421 --> 00:18:11,623
But don't just
589
00:18:11,623 --> 00:18:12,458
this is a red oak
590
00:18:12,458 --> 00:18:13,559
or a white oak floor mine.
591
00:18:13,559 --> 00:18:14,660
The white oak putty.
592
00:18:14,660 --> 00:18:15,961
Yeah. Or filler.
593
00:18:15,961 --> 00:18:17,663
Well, what do you me that's the.
594
00:18:17,663 --> 00:18:18,630
Thing with exotics.
595
00:18:18,630 --> 00:18:20,065
Do I match it now
596
00:18:20,065 --> 00:18:21,467
or do I match what it's going to end
597
00:18:21,467 --> 00:18:22,668
up being in a year from now?
598
00:18:25,070 --> 00:18:25,671
Yeah.
599
00:18:25,671 --> 00:18:27,139
All right.
600
00:18:27,139 --> 00:18:29,575
So,
601
00:18:29,575 --> 00:18:31,376
well, I'll, I'll give my,
602
00:18:31,376 --> 00:18:33,645
I said this before a long time ago,
603
00:18:33,645 --> 00:18:36,882
but I'll give my my, tip when we
604
00:18:37,015 --> 00:18:37,749
travel for.
605
00:18:37,749 --> 00:18:37,916
Is it
606
00:18:37,916 --> 00:18:39,551
probably nobody's going to use this,
607
00:18:39,551 --> 00:18:40,119
but I don't care.
608
00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:40,586
We did it.
609
00:18:40,586 --> 00:18:42,754
I'm just gonna throw it out there anyhow,
610
00:18:42,754 --> 00:18:44,256
before we travel filled.
611
00:18:44,256 --> 00:18:45,624
Often we do it between coats.
612
00:18:45,624 --> 00:18:45,924
Let's say
613
00:18:45,924 --> 00:18:47,092
if you're going to go 5080
614
00:18:47,092 --> 00:18:49,995
or 36, 50 or whatever,
615
00:18:49,995 --> 00:18:51,163
we'd rough the floor off
616
00:18:51,163 --> 00:18:52,965
before we travel.
617
00:18:52,965 --> 00:18:53,932
And then
618
00:18:53,932 --> 00:18:54,933
before we travel,
619
00:18:54,933 --> 00:18:56,268
though, I would take a screen,
620
00:18:56,268 --> 00:18:57,336
a use screen or whatever.
621
00:18:57,336 --> 00:18:58,570
It just doesn't matter,
622
00:18:58,570 --> 00:19:01,173
and fly over that floor with a buffer.
623
00:19:01,173 --> 00:19:02,774
And you know, when you open the floor
624
00:19:02,774 --> 00:19:04,109
with, up with, with,
625
00:19:04,109 --> 00:19:06,111
with 50 grand or 36 grit,
626
00:19:06,111 --> 00:19:07,412
if you look at under microscope,
627
00:19:07,412 --> 00:19:08,547
you see all like the hairs
628
00:19:08,547 --> 00:19:09,748
of, of the fiber
629
00:19:09,748 --> 00:19:10,716
that's raised up in the wood
630
00:19:10,716 --> 00:19:12,918
because you, you cut the wood
631
00:19:12,918 --> 00:19:14,319
and they're going over those cracks
632
00:19:14,319 --> 00:19:15,754
and everything too.
633
00:19:15,754 --> 00:19:16,922
And also it just
634
00:19:16,922 --> 00:19:18,524
kind of gets caught up with the
635
00:19:18,524 --> 00:19:20,125
when you're traveling everything out.
636
00:19:20,125 --> 00:19:21,960
If you do that first year at run A,
637
00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,896
if you run a, a use screen
638
00:19:23,896 --> 00:19:25,030
or just whatever,
639
00:19:25,030 --> 00:19:27,065
just real quick over the floor,
640
00:19:27,065 --> 00:19:28,934
you slice all that off
641
00:19:28,934 --> 00:19:30,202
and you get all that debris
642
00:19:30,202 --> 00:19:30,736
and all that stuff
643
00:19:30,736 --> 00:19:32,271
that when you're traveling the floor
644
00:19:32,271 --> 00:19:33,071
that would get in the way
645
00:19:33,071 --> 00:19:33,405
and get it
646
00:19:33,405 --> 00:19:36,341
accumulate in the, in the filler,
647
00:19:36,341 --> 00:19:38,477
man, it is a dream to fill the floor.
648
00:19:38,477 --> 00:19:39,378
After that.
649
00:19:39,378 --> 00:19:40,913
It's just glides across the floor.
650
00:19:40,913 --> 00:19:42,214
You know what I mean?
651
00:19:42,214 --> 00:19:42,881
It's smooth.
652
00:19:42,881 --> 00:19:44,283
You cut all that stuff out of the way
653
00:19:44,283 --> 00:19:46,051
so it gets in the filler better.
654
00:19:46,051 --> 00:19:47,686
And there's a really beautiful job.
655
00:19:47,686 --> 00:19:50,222
So nice too.
656
00:19:50,222 --> 00:19:51,156
I like that.
657
00:19:52,124 --> 00:19:55,127
I am also.
658
00:19:55,227 --> 00:19:56,762
In the camp of using two hands
659
00:19:56,762 --> 00:19:58,297
when you travel,
660
00:19:58,297 --> 00:20:00,632
I see sometimes that you can exactly say,
661
00:20:00,632 --> 00:20:01,967
yeah, he's traveling,
662
00:20:01,967 --> 00:20:04,636
but to me you really want to push it down
663
00:20:04,636 --> 00:20:08,273
into the grain hard, as hard as you can.
664
00:20:08,273 --> 00:20:08,941
And,
665
00:20:08,941 --> 00:20:10,742
so I like to using two hands
666
00:20:10,742 --> 00:20:12,544
when we're spot feeling,
667
00:20:12,544 --> 00:20:13,245
you know,
668
00:20:13,245 --> 00:20:13,712
you know,
669
00:20:13,712 --> 00:20:15,214
we would slap it into the joint.
670
00:20:15,214 --> 00:20:16,081
You know what I mean?
671
00:20:16,081 --> 00:20:17,082
With a knife
672
00:20:17,082 --> 00:20:18,150
to really get it
673
00:20:18,150 --> 00:20:21,153
proud to fill that whole thing.
674
00:20:21,153 --> 00:20:22,020
But by traveling,
675
00:20:22,020 --> 00:20:24,756
I really like using two hands, myself.
676
00:20:24,756 --> 00:20:27,759
So there you go.
677
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:29,761
All right.
678
00:20:29,761 --> 00:20:31,897
Like it?
679
00:20:31,897 --> 00:20:33,865
All right, what can we touch on,
680
00:20:33,865 --> 00:20:34,666
with filler?
681
00:20:34,666 --> 00:20:37,669
Trial feeling, rub.
682
00:20:39,104 --> 00:20:40,772
You know what I do want to talk about?
683
00:20:40,772 --> 00:20:41,940
I mean, it's really
684
00:20:41,940 --> 00:20:43,342
not with trowel filling, but
685
00:20:44,743 --> 00:20:47,746
we were talking about compression set.
686
00:20:47,913 --> 00:20:48,780
Yeah.
687
00:20:48,780 --> 00:20:51,650
And we were talking about
688
00:20:51,650 --> 00:20:53,619
sometimes I'd rather have that putty
689
00:20:53,619 --> 00:20:56,622
bust out rather than cup the floor.
690
00:20:56,688 --> 00:20:57,990
I had a good one on the call
691
00:20:57,990 --> 00:21:00,993
the other day.
692
00:21:01,093 --> 00:21:04,096
Guys, floor is cupping.
693
00:21:04,997 --> 00:21:05,897
And he's like,
694
00:21:05,897 --> 00:21:06,665
he's read me
695
00:21:06,665 --> 00:21:09,668
all the moisture content readings.
696
00:21:10,068 --> 00:21:10,569
There's really
697
00:21:10,569 --> 00:21:13,572
no reason for that floor to be cupping.
698
00:21:14,539 --> 00:21:15,507
And then when we started
699
00:21:15,507 --> 00:21:17,442
then he had mentioned that,
700
00:21:17,442 --> 00:21:20,445
you know, he milled the floor.
701
00:21:21,046 --> 00:21:22,581
He was the one that killed it
702
00:21:22,581 --> 00:21:25,284
and this and that
703
00:21:25,284 --> 00:21:28,287
ended up being a dry cup.
704
00:21:28,287 --> 00:21:31,290
Yeah.
705
00:21:31,456 --> 00:21:32,524
And I don't know how this is
706
00:21:32,524 --> 00:21:35,527
possible, but.
707
00:21:36,395 --> 00:21:37,129
They said dry
708
00:21:37,129 --> 00:21:40,132
cupping was because the top of the wood
709
00:21:40,165 --> 00:21:43,168
dried out before the bottom of the wood.
710
00:21:44,569 --> 00:21:46,772
So would that be from over killing
711
00:21:46,772 --> 00:21:47,773
or under killing?
712
00:21:50,942 --> 00:21:52,411
Over what?
713
00:21:52,411 --> 00:21:53,545
Kill me.
714
00:21:53,545 --> 00:21:54,446
Kill me?
715
00:21:54,446 --> 00:21:55,514
Yeah. Kill.
716
00:21:55,514 --> 00:21:58,517
Kill me. Kill!
717
00:21:58,750 --> 00:22:00,052
This is awesome.
718
00:22:00,052 --> 00:22:01,053
Kill me!
719
00:22:01,053 --> 00:22:03,455
Kill an Eng.
720
00:22:03,455 --> 00:22:04,456
Kill me.
721
00:22:04,456 --> 00:22:06,958
Yeah. Did I just invent a word?
722
00:22:06,958 --> 00:22:08,193
Think I did?
723
00:22:08,193 --> 00:22:09,394
No, that's the word.
724
00:22:09,394 --> 00:22:10,896
Kill me.
725
00:22:10,896 --> 00:22:11,396
Yeah.
726
00:22:11,396 --> 00:22:13,699
Would that be too much or too little?
727
00:22:13,699 --> 00:22:14,966
You know, when he said that he's
728
00:22:14,966 --> 00:22:15,901
the guy who milled the wood
729
00:22:15,901 --> 00:22:16,501
and everything?
730
00:22:16,501 --> 00:22:17,402
I was like, all right.
731
00:22:17,402 --> 00:22:18,370
Oh, maybe that's something
732
00:22:18,370 --> 00:22:20,672
going on there,
733
00:22:20,672 --> 00:22:21,573
you know, especially.
734
00:22:21,573 --> 00:22:25,777
Well, there's no, you know, 9% relative
735
00:22:25,777 --> 00:22:28,680
humidity or, you know, moisture content,
736
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,182
which isn't crazy.
737
00:22:30,182 --> 00:22:32,718
Not at all. For this time of year.
738
00:22:32,718 --> 00:22:34,119
He was in New York.
739
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,122
So I'm like, yeah, nine is actually,
740
00:22:37,422 --> 00:22:38,523
you know, sounds pretty good.
741
00:22:38,523 --> 00:22:40,726
And he goes, well, how the hell is it?
742
00:22:40,726 --> 00:22:42,594
How is it cupping so?
743
00:22:42,594 --> 00:22:45,230
Well, let's take a look at dry cupping.
744
00:22:45,230 --> 00:22:47,165
He's like, I kiln this for myself.
745
00:22:47,165 --> 00:22:47,733
So.
746
00:22:50,135 --> 00:22:52,371
I'm pretty sure it was dry cupping.
747
00:22:52,371 --> 00:22:53,271
Nice.
748
00:22:53,271 --> 00:22:56,274
Have you seen a lot of that dry cupping.
749
00:22:56,274 --> 00:22:56,975
Yeah yeah
750
00:22:56,975 --> 00:22:58,744
I have from time to time for sure.
751
00:22:58,744 --> 00:22:59,845
Yeah.
752
00:22:59,845 --> 00:23:01,079
Not something I really experience
753
00:23:01,079 --> 00:23:02,080
a lot in my career,
754
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,582
you know, running across it, but,
755
00:23:03,582 --> 00:23:06,351
I have seen it for sure. Yeah.
756
00:23:06,351 --> 00:23:07,486
And the more I read, the more
757
00:23:07,486 --> 00:23:10,489
I found out that it happens more with
758
00:23:11,690 --> 00:23:14,493
engineered products than solid products.
759
00:23:14,493 --> 00:23:17,462
Yeah.
760
00:23:17,829 --> 00:23:20,832
I had a we had a four dry cup when,
761
00:23:21,199 --> 00:23:23,502
in the desktop Modesto dash
762
00:23:23,502 --> 00:23:26,171
somewhere out in the central California.
763
00:23:26,171 --> 00:23:28,940
We did this big house for the guy, but,
764
00:23:28,940 --> 00:23:30,842
setting the floor downstairs,
765
00:23:30,842 --> 00:23:32,377
and it was hot. Hot?
766
00:23:32,377 --> 00:23:35,080
It can be, in the summertime.
767
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:35,847
And,
768
00:23:35,847 --> 00:23:38,617
we did our second pass with the sander,
769
00:23:38,617 --> 00:23:39,985
and the garage door
770
00:23:39,985 --> 00:23:41,720
had been open the whole time.
771
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:42,053
Right.
772
00:23:42,053 --> 00:23:43,989
And hot air with that was blowing in,
773
00:23:45,056 --> 00:23:48,059
and that hot air dry up that floor.
774
00:23:48,260 --> 00:23:49,895
So we moved on to the second floor.
775
00:23:49,895 --> 00:23:50,829
We did a lot of other things,
776
00:23:50,829 --> 00:23:52,230
whatever we had time in-house
777
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:53,765
and and built for a guy.
778
00:23:53,765 --> 00:23:55,333
We did a lot of work for.
779
00:23:55,333 --> 00:23:56,568
A friend of ours,
780
00:23:56,568 --> 00:23:58,403
came back to it and sanded it.
781
00:23:58,403 --> 00:23:59,571
But yeah, I seen that.
782
00:23:59,571 --> 00:24:00,872
So the hot air
783
00:24:00,872 --> 00:24:01,873
ball across that forehead
784
00:24:01,873 --> 00:24:04,609
cup, that floor.
785
00:24:04,609 --> 00:24:06,111
Okay. So that's it.
786
00:24:06,111 --> 00:24:08,580
Yeah, that would definitely be it that.
787
00:24:08,580 --> 00:24:10,816
Yeah that would if you had hot air
788
00:24:10,816 --> 00:24:13,819
blowing across that floor
789
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,054
that could cause that dry cupping.
790
00:24:16,054 --> 00:24:17,823
Yeah.
791
00:24:17,823 --> 00:24:20,292
I wonder if that would happen
792
00:24:20,292 --> 00:24:23,295
with the hot floor.
793
00:24:23,462 --> 00:24:24,563
Remember the last episode
794
00:24:24,563 --> 00:24:27,566
we were talking about?
795
00:24:27,933 --> 00:24:29,501
Yes yes yes, yes for sure.
796
00:24:29,501 --> 00:24:30,302
You know what I mean?
797
00:24:30,302 --> 00:24:30,569
Yeah.
798
00:24:30,569 --> 00:24:31,736
If it got too hot,
799
00:24:31,736 --> 00:24:33,438
would that cause dry cupping.
800
00:24:33,438 --> 00:24:35,273
Yeah, that probably could. No.
801
00:24:35,273 --> 00:24:35,941
If you got too hot.
802
00:24:35,941 --> 00:24:36,675
Like, what you talking about.
803
00:24:36,675 --> 00:24:37,676
Just regular shrinkage.
804
00:24:39,177 --> 00:24:39,377
You've
805
00:24:39,377 --> 00:24:42,380
experienced that.
806
00:24:43,882 --> 00:24:44,282
All right
807
00:24:44,282 --> 00:24:45,851
I'm going to put you,
808
00:24:45,851 --> 00:24:48,286
you've drop down to the top 20%.
809
00:24:48,286 --> 00:24:50,522
Not not too much.
810
00:24:50,522 --> 00:24:52,991
We're dropping you down to the top 20%,
811
00:24:52,991 --> 00:24:55,026
but in that class picture.
812
00:24:55,026 --> 00:24:57,963
Okay. Okay.
813
00:24:57,963 --> 00:25:01,500
If going right now isn't enough to,
814
00:25:02,167 --> 00:25:04,469
to convince you on this,
815
00:25:04,469 --> 00:25:05,537
there's another inspector, Bob
816
00:25:05,537 --> 00:25:08,540
Goldstein, in 2020 for another article.
817
00:25:08,740 --> 00:25:09,708
And I don't know if he still
818
00:25:09,708 --> 00:25:11,643
if he's still in the business or not.
819
00:25:11,643 --> 00:25:12,944
I think he may have retired.
820
00:25:12,944 --> 00:25:14,746
I'm not.
821
00:25:14,746 --> 00:25:15,280
It could be wrong.
822
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,282
Down on very super knowledgeable guy.
823
00:25:17,282 --> 00:25:19,784
Also, he says to fill or not to fill.
824
00:25:19,784 --> 00:25:20,886
That's the question.
825
00:25:20,886 --> 00:25:22,320
When you sand the floor in a climate
826
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:23,522
where the heating season,
827
00:25:23,522 --> 00:25:25,123
you may not want to fill the gaps
828
00:25:25,123 --> 00:25:26,291
during the winter
829
00:25:26,291 --> 00:25:27,592
as a filler will be pushed out
830
00:25:27,592 --> 00:25:28,860
in the spring and summer.
831
00:25:28,860 --> 00:25:29,561
On the other hand,
832
00:25:29,561 --> 00:25:31,363
if you fill gaps in the summer
833
00:25:31,363 --> 00:25:31,863
and the floor
834
00:25:31,863 --> 00:25:33,431
shrinks in the heating seasons,
835
00:25:33,431 --> 00:25:35,534
the filler will crack, crumble,
836
00:25:35,534 --> 00:25:37,335
and look awful.
837
00:25:37,335 --> 00:25:38,837
So just
838
00:25:38,837 --> 00:25:40,472
just take those into consideration
839
00:25:40,472 --> 00:25:41,840
when you're doing your
840
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,608
your evaluations in your,
841
00:25:43,608 --> 00:25:44,342
and you're setting your
842
00:25:44,342 --> 00:25:45,544
expectations on the job.
843
00:25:46,845 --> 00:25:47,679
Now, these are a couple
844
00:25:47,679 --> 00:25:48,713
guys who are a lot smarter
845
00:25:48,713 --> 00:25:50,749
than you and me,
846
00:25:50,749 --> 00:25:52,584
allegedly.
847
00:25:52,584 --> 00:25:54,252
All right. Yeah.
848
00:25:54,252 --> 00:25:56,354
Yeah, yeah, I appreciate me.
849
00:25:56,354 --> 00:25:56,721
Yeah.
850
00:25:56,721 --> 00:25:58,657
You're you're sharp guy, right? Yeah.
851
00:25:58,657 --> 00:25:59,691
Pretty pretty good.
852
00:25:59,691 --> 00:26:00,759
But, you know,
853
00:26:00,759 --> 00:26:02,093
some people will just start
854
00:26:02,093 --> 00:26:03,528
pounding their fist like,
855
00:26:03,528 --> 00:26:06,131
you have the trial fill.
856
00:26:06,131 --> 00:26:08,133
And that's when I go back to.
857
00:26:08,133 --> 00:26:10,502
This is a craft. Okay. Yeah.
858
00:26:10,502 --> 00:26:10,769
Yeah.
859
00:26:10,769 --> 00:26:11,703
We're you know,
860
00:26:11,703 --> 00:26:12,871
we're not all going to get there
861
00:26:12,871 --> 00:26:14,139
the same way.
862
00:26:14,139 --> 00:26:15,173
You know.
863
00:26:15,173 --> 00:26:18,276
There isn't a lot of things that are you
864
00:26:18,810 --> 00:26:19,744
have to
865
00:26:19,744 --> 00:26:22,013
you know, the only thing with that
866
00:26:22,013 --> 00:26:22,747
I would say
867
00:26:22,747 --> 00:26:23,748
is, you know, grid
868
00:26:23,748 --> 00:26:26,585
sequence and cure times, you know,
869
00:26:26,585 --> 00:26:27,886
that kind of coverage
870
00:26:27,886 --> 00:26:29,020
rates, you know,
871
00:26:29,020 --> 00:26:30,021
those are the things
872
00:26:30,021 --> 00:26:31,690
that are written in stone.
873
00:26:31,690 --> 00:26:32,857
But when it comes to trial
874
00:26:32,857 --> 00:26:33,959
filling or not trial
875
00:26:33,959 --> 00:26:35,794
filling, their reasoning,
876
00:26:35,794 --> 00:26:38,196
you know, there's behind grid sequence.
877
00:26:38,196 --> 00:26:39,331
There's no reason,
878
00:26:39,331 --> 00:26:40,365
there's no reasoning,
879
00:26:40,365 --> 00:26:42,267
there's no gray area.
880
00:26:42,267 --> 00:26:44,869
The grid sequences, the grid sequence
881
00:26:44,869 --> 00:26:46,705
cure rates are cure, right?
882
00:26:46,705 --> 00:26:47,772
There's no
883
00:26:47,772 --> 00:26:49,407
well, it could be this could be that,
884
00:26:49,407 --> 00:26:50,442
you know,
885
00:26:50,442 --> 00:26:52,644
but this is one of those things where,
886
00:26:54,379 --> 00:26:57,082
yeah, this is just not written in stone.
887
00:26:57,082 --> 00:26:59,017
There are some people out there
888
00:26:59,017 --> 00:27:01,586
that can get violent.
889
00:27:01,586 --> 00:27:03,722
This this is why
890
00:27:03,722 --> 00:27:06,725
you can't just read a manual by a sander.
891
00:27:06,758 --> 00:27:08,026
It's outstanding of law.
892
00:27:08,026 --> 00:27:10,261
And you go, yeah, just go by the book.
893
00:27:10,261 --> 00:27:12,263
Right? It's years of experience.
894
00:27:12,263 --> 00:27:14,666
It's a craft. It's an art.
895
00:27:14,666 --> 00:27:16,568
It's there's a lot that goes into this.
896
00:27:16,568 --> 00:27:17,335
You read the room.
897
00:27:17,335 --> 00:27:18,269
Every job is different.
898
00:27:18,269 --> 00:27:19,337
That's why it's so unique.
899
00:27:19,337 --> 00:27:21,706
Is that every job site is different.
900
00:27:21,706 --> 00:27:24,342
You can't do the same thing on every job
901
00:27:24,342 --> 00:27:26,077
that you do day in and day out.
902
00:27:26,077 --> 00:27:28,413
There's things about every job
903
00:27:28,413 --> 00:27:30,248
that's unique to that job site.
904
00:27:30,248 --> 00:27:32,050
There's some flaws that,
905
00:27:32,050 --> 00:27:32,951
you know, substrates
906
00:27:32,951 --> 00:27:34,486
that are unique to that job site.
907
00:27:34,486 --> 00:27:35,186
There's homeowners,
908
00:27:35,186 --> 00:27:36,554
there's living conditions.
909
00:27:36,554 --> 00:27:37,689
There's the way the sun
910
00:27:37,689 --> 00:27:39,357
comes across the floor.
911
00:27:39,357 --> 00:27:40,392
There's so many different things
912
00:27:40,392 --> 00:27:42,027
that goes into it.
913
00:27:42,027 --> 00:27:42,661
It's way
914
00:27:42,661 --> 00:27:44,195
more than the average person looking at.
915
00:27:44,195 --> 00:27:45,163
History goes, oh, well,
916
00:27:45,163 --> 00:27:46,164
let me read a book.
917
00:27:46,164 --> 00:27:48,900
I say it's golden 36 to 50 or whatever.
918
00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:50,735
There's so much more than that.
919
00:27:50,735 --> 00:27:50,969
Yeah.
920
00:27:50,969 --> 00:27:51,903
And it's a,
921
00:27:51,903 --> 00:27:52,737
you know,
922
00:27:52,737 --> 00:27:53,805
all those little things
923
00:27:53,805 --> 00:27:55,340
you put in a toolbox
924
00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:58,343
that you remember that add up over time.
925
00:27:58,677 --> 00:27:59,644
That's well, you got some
926
00:27:59,644 --> 00:28:00,812
these guys out there
927
00:28:00,812 --> 00:28:02,047
that there's phenomenal
928
00:28:02,047 --> 00:28:03,815
foreign contractors.
929
00:28:03,815 --> 00:28:05,150
They know their craft.
930
00:28:05,150 --> 00:28:07,852
They're good at the hands on part of it.
931
00:28:07,852 --> 00:28:09,621
But they have so much knowledge
932
00:28:09,621 --> 00:28:11,790
that goes way beyond that
933
00:28:11,790 --> 00:28:12,891
way beyond that, that
934
00:28:12,891 --> 00:28:15,460
puts it all together. That man,
935
00:28:16,761 --> 00:28:18,930
these guys walking around,
936
00:28:18,930 --> 00:28:22,267
I have their encyclopedias of knowledge.
937
00:28:23,768 --> 00:28:25,937
The idea that they're driving that van
938
00:28:25,937 --> 00:28:28,606
or walking behind that sander,
939
00:28:28,606 --> 00:28:30,341
on their knees and on that floor,
940
00:28:30,341 --> 00:28:32,343
you look at that guy
941
00:28:32,343 --> 00:28:34,145
and
942
00:28:34,145 --> 00:28:36,247
he's way more than people know.
943
00:28:36,247 --> 00:28:37,082
The amount of knowledge
944
00:28:37,082 --> 00:28:38,883
he's accumulated over time,
945
00:28:38,883 --> 00:28:39,384
if he's been
946
00:28:39,384 --> 00:28:42,387
a student of the game is frightening.
947
00:28:42,420 --> 00:28:44,422
So and I get it too.
948
00:28:44,422 --> 00:28:47,425
I get I get why some guys are,
949
00:28:47,425 --> 00:28:50,228
you know, especially,
950
00:28:50,228 --> 00:28:50,462
you know,
951
00:28:50,462 --> 00:28:52,530
I've done schools all over the country,
952
00:28:52,530 --> 00:28:55,066
okay. And,
953
00:28:55,066 --> 00:28:56,201
you know, if you're a third or fourth
954
00:28:56,201 --> 00:28:59,204
generation floor guy out of Florida,
955
00:28:59,971 --> 00:29:02,340
your granda, your grandfather trial film,
956
00:29:02,340 --> 00:29:04,042
your dad, you
957
00:29:04,042 --> 00:29:05,610
everybody travels Florida,
958
00:29:05,610 --> 00:29:07,345
everybody travels.
959
00:29:07,345 --> 00:29:09,314
I get it. Okay.
960
00:29:09,314 --> 00:29:10,882
The the issue is,
961
00:29:10,882 --> 00:29:12,617
if that's all you've ever known,
962
00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:14,919
you know, and I
963
00:29:14,919 --> 00:29:16,287
think this is sometimes
964
00:29:16,287 --> 00:29:18,289
where the internet can,
965
00:29:18,289 --> 00:29:21,092
can get people in trouble.
966
00:29:21,092 --> 00:29:21,960
Yeah.
967
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:22,427
You know,
968
00:29:22,427 --> 00:29:23,561
if a guy in Florida
969
00:29:23,561 --> 00:29:24,529
who's been trial films
970
00:29:24,529 --> 00:29:26,231
for for generations,
971
00:29:26,231 --> 00:29:27,932
he sees a guy up in the northeast
972
00:29:27,932 --> 00:29:29,567
who is in trial felon,
973
00:29:29,567 --> 00:29:30,268
he's going to call him
974
00:29:30,268 --> 00:29:31,202
every name in the book.
975
00:29:31,202 --> 00:29:32,303
But, yeah,
976
00:29:32,303 --> 00:29:34,139
you know, up here in the northeast,
977
00:29:34,139 --> 00:29:34,773
same thing.
978
00:29:34,773 --> 00:29:37,242
We got 3 or 4 generations of people,
979
00:29:37,242 --> 00:29:38,243
hey, we don't trial film
980
00:29:38,243 --> 00:29:40,512
and this is the reason, okay?
981
00:29:40,512 --> 00:29:42,180
Nobody's right, nobody's wrong.
982
00:29:42,180 --> 00:29:44,582
It's just how we do things. Yeah.
983
00:29:44,582 --> 00:29:47,318
And sometimes the internet can get
984
00:29:47,318 --> 00:29:49,454
a little sticky
985
00:29:49,454 --> 00:29:51,990
with, like, now you have to do it
986
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:53,825
like this, right? Right.
987
00:29:53,825 --> 00:29:54,592
You know,
988
00:29:54,592 --> 00:29:57,061
and especially if you've been bit before
989
00:29:57,061 --> 00:29:57,762
by that,
990
00:29:58,997 --> 00:29:59,764
well I shouldn't the
991
00:29:59,764 --> 00:30:00,632
trial failed this one
992
00:30:00,632 --> 00:30:02,100
because now look at what I got.
993
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:04,102
Now it looks even worse.
994
00:30:04,102 --> 00:30:06,137
Well, that's the thing is
995
00:30:06,137 --> 00:30:07,906
these lessons come at a hard price
996
00:30:07,906 --> 00:30:09,374
a lot of times, right?
997
00:30:09,374 --> 00:30:11,509
Yeah. Oh.
998
00:30:11,509 --> 00:30:13,378
All right, Rob, good stuff.
999
00:30:13,378 --> 00:30:15,280
I think we covered it.
1000
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,114
Unless you got anything else
1001
00:30:16,114 --> 00:30:19,017
you want to add to this?
1002
00:30:19,017 --> 00:30:20,084
Nope.
1003
00:30:20,084 --> 00:30:22,520
All right, well, listen,
1004
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:23,588
there's been another episode
1005
00:30:23,588 --> 00:30:25,323
of On the Floor with Wayne and Rob.
1006
00:30:25,323 --> 00:30:27,292
Please stay tuned for another episode.
1007
00:30:27,292 --> 00:30:27,659
Okay.