On The Floor with Wayne and Rob

The Dangers of LVP Flooring

Episode Summary

Wayne and Rob take a deeper dive into the hidden dangers of LVP flooring. From health issues to not being able to recycle LVP floors, they have it covered. Follow Bona US Professional online: Website: https://www1.bona.com/en-us/professional/ Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/BonaProfessional Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bonauspro/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bonapro.us/

Episode Transcription

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Hello and welcome to

 

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another episode of On the Floor

 

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with Wayne and Rob.

 

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I'm Wayne Highlander, National Sales

 

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Manager for Bona Adhesives.

 

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I'm Rob Johnson from Bona Training.

 

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Get it right.

 

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How are we doing?

 

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I'm good.

 

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You were over

 

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modulating there for a while.

 

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Was the modulation on that one?

 

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Mm hmm. Very good.

 

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Now I learn a lot today. Are we?

 

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Yes, sir.

 

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All right, Rob, before we get started,

 

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have you or a loved one

 

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ever lived on camp?

 

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Resumed between the years of 1957, 1987.

 

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If so, you might be eligible

 

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for compensation.

 

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I've been trying to figure out a way

 

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that we might have done a bowling

 

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alley there or something like that.

 

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I'd love to get into some of that late

 

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June money, but.

 

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I think it's the it was a stretch.

 

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Yeah.

 

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You know what

 

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I think we're going to hear one day, Rob?

 

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I think one day we're going to hear.

 

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Did you or your family members live on

 

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LDP floors between the years of

 

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1995 and 2025?

 

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I am so glad you said that,

 

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because that was part

 

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of what I was going to rant about today.

 

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Holy smokes.

 

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Actually, that that's exactly

 

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that is exactly

 

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what I think is going to happen

 

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with this stuff.

 

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This must be like people that really,

 

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really understood

 

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the effects

 

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of smoking back in the fifties

 

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when they were just

 

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I mean, just just pushing it on

 

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everybody.

 

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Kids and women and maybe women in movies,

 

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pregnant, smoking.

 

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You remember the old movies?

 

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Everybody was smoking all the time.

 

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Oh, God. Yeah.

 

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And it was people that surely knew

 

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that this was.

 

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Well, this is, like, so wrong.

 

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The study came out recently

 

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how harmful it is

 

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when exposed to children

 

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that lived on homes with little

 

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plastic floors

 

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and the amount of

 

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high levels of of toxins and everything

 

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that's in their blood system.

 

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It's atrocious.

 

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I have

 

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I swear

 

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that is exactly

 

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what's going to happen, too.

 

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There's going to be some lawsuits

 

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with this stuff

 

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and you're going to see it all over TV,

 

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just like that Camp Lejeune stuff.

 

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I guarantee it.

 

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You know, Rob,

 

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these vinyl floors are made

 

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with some of the most toxic

 

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manmade substance ever created.

 

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I mean, that is shocking to me.

 

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You know, the cars exposing humans

 

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and pets to the risk of asthma, cancer,

 

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kidney, lung

 

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and even reproductive health problems.

 

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And they're putting out

 

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miles and miles of this.

 

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Imagine living in a home

 

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that's close to Bayside

 

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as these homes are

 

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and having this in the house with

 

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kids running around in it.

 

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It's it's shocking to me.

 

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You know, it's a great marketing

 

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phrase to say luxury

 

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vinyl playing floors.

 

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You know why they say luxury vinyl plank?

 

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Do you know why they call it that?

 

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Well.

 

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You don't know why.

 

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Because I yes, I do.

 

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Because people aren't going to buy

 

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a polyvinyl chloride floor.

 

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That's you're

 

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you're afraid

 

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that's going to have the answer to that.

 

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And that's why I jumped in.

 

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The power through.

 

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I have to say something today.

 

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Yes. Well, I'm waiting for something.

 

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Anything.

 

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Hey, let me tell you

 

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a little cautionary tale here.

 

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I was in where was I last week?

 

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I was in Alabama

 

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and we did some training at a distributor

 

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there. And

 

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I was abso lutely blown away.

 

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This was a wood floored distributor.

 

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I was blown away

 

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by, I would say, 70,

 

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80% of the stock in that

 

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warehouse was lv pe

 

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and not wood.

 

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I mean, the day that I thought

 

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that, you know, wood would be,

 

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there'd be more lv pe than wood.

 

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I never thought that would ever happen.

 

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Ever.

 

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I was shocked.

 

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And even when the guy was packing up,

 

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the warehouse manager was

 

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packing up an order.

 

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And I walked over

 

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and he had a bunch of it on a skid

 

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and he was wrapping it up

 

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and I said, Man, this is sad.

 

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Didn't say anything.

 

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All I said was, This is sad.

 

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And I tapped on the box

 

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and he goes, It's

 

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absolutely heartbreaking.

 

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But that's not my tale.

 

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My tale is what happened to my family

 

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with the same kind of products.

 

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Okay.

 

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For years and years, I Sandy

 

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and I know I've you know,

 

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anybody who's seen the show,

 

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they know

 

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that I've said this stuff before, but

 

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I sanded and recoded

 

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floors are

 

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bowling alleys

 

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that my great grandfather built.

 

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And that was you know, for generations

 

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still maintaining

 

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the bowling alleys

 

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that he built all around

 

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New England and New York.

 

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And it was a whole generational thing.

 

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Like I said, I mean,

 

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that business was there for ever.

 

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And then in the mid-eighties,

 

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they started bringing out a synthetic

 

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bowling alley.

 

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Okay.

 

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And it wasn't people

 

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that were in the bowling business

 

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that brought it out.

 

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It wasn't people

 

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that were building wood lanes

 

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or anything like that

 

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was brought up

 

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by a different type of company.

 

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Actually, three

 

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M was one of the companies

 

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that brought it out

 

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and everybody started

 

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tearing out the wood lanes

 

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and putting in these synthetic lanes

 

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because there's no maintenance.

 

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There is no upkeep.

 

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You don't have to do anything to oh,

 

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no more sanding, no more recoding.

 

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But we were the dummies

 

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who were installing it.

 

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We were cutting our own.

 

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I mean, we cut our own throats,

 

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killing yourselves.

 

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We killed ourselves with this stuff.

 

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And when I looked around that warehouse,

 

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I just thought

 

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the same thing could happen.

 

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You know, once

 

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you start installing this stuff

 

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and here's what else we found

 

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out about all these, you know,

 

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lifetime lanes

 

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they used to call them, right? That's it.

 

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You put these in. Well, guess what?

 

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They weren't a lifetime lane.

 

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They had their own set of issues

 

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and everything.

 

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And, you know, a lot of them ended up

 

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getting ripped out

 

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and replaced and stuff like that.

 

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So

 

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I think that's the other thing

 

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people aren't understanding

 

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about these

 

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LV floors

 

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is there's a very short life

 

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span with this. Yeah.

 

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You know, you're ten years.

 

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Yeah, you're exactly right.

 

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The short I mean, it's really

 

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kind of a shortsighted deal

 

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for the homeowner, you know,

 

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because it is a short

 

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lifespan compared to hardwood floors

 

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that, you know,

 

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my wife and I had lunch today in the

 

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in the Hill

 

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Springs in that 190 years old.

 

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And there the original floors are.

 

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And, you know, back

 

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then it was probably linseed and beeswax.

 

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Right. And and they look stunning today.

 

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They look stunning.

 

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190 years old.

 

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Or 90 years old.

 

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And you put direct sunlight

 

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on these floors

 

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or, you know, and they talk about

 

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being waterproof.

 

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And it's it's really

 

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it's laughable almost to hear that

 

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expression

 

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because we're seeing

 

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so many issues of mold

 

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that's growing underneath

 

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these things that don't allow the

 

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I mean,

 

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they don't allow the moisture

 

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to pass through.

 

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And so

 

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you know,

 

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and then the manufacturers

 

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are telling you to put plastic down.

 

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You that's you want to make mold.

 

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But in the dark air,

 

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you put plastic down a little bit of dirt

 

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or whatever it it

 

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on the slab or the wood subfloor.

 

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And it's a it's a it's a great

 

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way to make mold.

 

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So you've heard of Lou, your

 

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I know I mentioned before.

 

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He played for the Yankees.

 

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You know, not that Lou make Lou are now

 

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Lou McGwire.

 

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I'm surprised

 

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you haven't seen

 

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him because he does a lot of

 

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workshops and stuff,

 

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conventions for conventions

 

267

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and everything he works for.

 

268

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Well, it's his company,

 

269

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LGM and Associates.

 

270

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They're

 

271

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commercial floor inspectors.

 

272

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But not only do they inspect the floors,

 

273

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but they come up with the answers

 

274

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what to do, how to, you know,

 

275

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how to fix these things.

 

276

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And I went to one of his seminars

 

277

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one time,

 

278

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and it was supposed to be on

 

279

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all different types of flooring.

 

280

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He spent the entire seminar

 

281

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just talking about the old V.P.

 

282

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It is completely taken over his business

 

283

00:09:14,921 --> 00:09:16,222

as far as

 

284

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ceramic tile, wood,

 

285

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all this stuff

 

286

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and commercial applications.

 

287

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He said this stuff is the worst

 

288

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and it's actually

 

289

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blown up the fastest out of anything

 

290

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that he's ever seen.

 

291

00:09:27,633 --> 00:09:30,469

Number one thing that they're finding

 

292

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in, you know,

 

293

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like I said, he's commercial.

 

294

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The number one issue they're finding with

 

295

00:09:35,308 --> 00:09:37,410

this is exactly what you just said.

 

296

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Mold.

 

297

00:09:38,477 --> 00:09:39,245

Mm hmm.

 

298

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Mold is the absolute number one.

 

299

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And he said, now,

 

300

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now the people

 

301

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that keep telling everybody

 

302

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that they're waterproof,

 

303

00:09:47,687 --> 00:09:48,054

he goes,

 

304

00:09:48,054 --> 00:09:48,888

it's the difference

 

305

00:09:48,888 --> 00:09:51,290

is like a waterproof watch

 

306

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and a water resistant watch.

 

307

00:09:53,159 --> 00:09:54,961

He goes, They're water resistant.

 

308

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They are not waterproof.

 

309

00:09:57,463 --> 00:09:58,864

He said, These things blow up

 

310

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just like a wood floor,

 

311

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but they don't come back

 

312

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like a wood floor does.

 

313

00:10:03,336 --> 00:10:05,972

Yeah, well, here's the thing, too.

 

314

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I mean,

 

315

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the world is quickly becoming

 

316

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overpopulated

 

317

00:10:09,075 --> 00:10:11,444

with this stuff in the in the dumps,

 

318

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and this stuff doesn't break down

 

319

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like other, other things.

 

320

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So were polluting the landfill

 

321

00:10:17,683 --> 00:10:18,484

with these products

 

322

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and there are millions

 

323

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and millions of square feet of it.

 

324

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And look at a lot of

 

325

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this is coming from

 

326

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from countries

 

327

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that is not regulated and what have you.

 

328

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And they're happy to sell it

 

329

00:10:25,992 --> 00:10:27,560

to us over here.

 

330

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But man,

 

331

00:10:28,761 --> 00:10:30,696

if there's anything I've ever seen in my

 

332

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life that's so short sighted

 

333

00:10:34,133 --> 00:10:36,202

as one of these flaws, and

 

334

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when you can have a,

 

335

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you know, a sustainable

 

336

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a lifetime floor

 

337

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that adds

 

338

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actual value to a home that has,

 

339

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you know,

 

340

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such a long lifespan to it

 

341

00:10:45,978 --> 00:10:46,979

that you can renew it,

 

342

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you can sand and finish it.

 

343

00:10:48,180 --> 00:10:49,815

You can change it with the decor.

 

344

00:10:49,815 --> 00:10:52,618

My my goodness, man.

 

345

00:10:52,618 --> 00:10:54,286

And I think this one word

 

346

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is just cut, people,

 

347

00:10:55,488 --> 00:10:56,989

that they did a great marketing job

 

348

00:10:56,989 --> 00:10:57,423

on this

 

349

00:10:57,423 --> 00:11:00,726

with talking about them being waterproof

 

350

00:11:00,726 --> 00:11:03,262

when you know, they're absolutely not.

 

351

00:11:03,262 --> 00:11:06,065

So yeah, man, I mean it to me.

 

352

00:11:06,065 --> 00:11:06,465

I know.

 

353

00:11:06,465 --> 00:11:07,867

Yeah, we've talked about this before,

 

354

00:11:07,867 --> 00:11:09,301

but I think this is not only

 

355

00:11:09,301 --> 00:11:10,136

is it bad for people's

 

356

00:11:10,136 --> 00:11:11,303

health, it's bad

 

357

00:11:11,303 --> 00:11:12,538

for for our industry,

 

358

00:11:12,538 --> 00:11:13,172

for for

 

359

00:11:13,172 --> 00:11:16,075

for anybody that installs hardwood floors

 

360

00:11:16,308 --> 00:11:16,742

and finishes

 

361

00:11:16,742 --> 00:11:17,243

hardwood floors

 

362

00:11:17,243 --> 00:11:19,045

and makes their living off the hardwood

 

363

00:11:19,045 --> 00:11:20,646

flooring industry.

 

364

00:11:20,646 --> 00:11:23,449

It's people from outside of our industry

 

365

00:11:23,449 --> 00:11:24,950

destroying our industry.

 

366

00:11:24,950 --> 00:11:27,286

I think that's what really ticks me off.

 

367

00:11:27,286 --> 00:11:27,953

Yeah.

 

368

00:11:28,154 --> 00:11:30,089

This isn't being made by

 

369

00:11:30,089 --> 00:11:32,124

by wood flooring manufacturers.

 

370

00:11:32,124 --> 00:11:34,026

It's not being made by by mills

 

371

00:11:34,026 --> 00:11:35,761

and things like that.

 

372

00:11:35,761 --> 00:11:37,630

It's it's coming from the outside.

 

373

00:11:37,630 --> 00:11:38,597

They're,

 

374

00:11:38,798 --> 00:11:39,031

you know,

 

375

00:11:39,031 --> 00:11:40,633

they're plucking our chickens here.

 

376

00:11:40,633 --> 00:11:42,168

It drives me nuts.

 

377

00:11:42,168 --> 00:11:43,469

And for a lot of guys,

 

378

00:11:43,469 --> 00:11:44,503

it looks like it's easy.

 

379

00:11:44,503 --> 00:11:46,439

Money is the lure of this.

 

380

00:11:46,439 --> 00:11:48,240

You know, it's it's easy money.

 

381

00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,509

But I just hope

 

382

00:11:51,477 --> 00:11:51,844

people are

 

383

00:11:51,844 --> 00:11:54,447

educating the consumer

 

384

00:11:54,980 --> 00:11:56,182

because in the end,

 

385

00:11:56,182 --> 00:11:57,750

I mean, I think it's better

 

386

00:11:57,750 --> 00:11:58,951

for all of us.

 

387

00:11:59,418 --> 00:11:59,852

You know,

 

388

00:11:59,852 --> 00:12:00,886

I think somebody needs

 

389

00:12:00,886 --> 00:12:04,256

to educate the builders because I think

 

390

00:12:05,057 --> 00:12:07,059

I think they're the real culprit here,

 

391

00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:09,128

because I think a lot of this

 

392

00:12:09,128 --> 00:12:10,830

is going in new construction.

 

393

00:12:10,830 --> 00:12:11,430

Mm hmm.

 

394

00:12:11,430 --> 00:12:13,532

Because it's quick, it's easy.

 

395

00:12:13,532 --> 00:12:15,034

It looks okay.

 

396

00:12:15,034 --> 00:12:15,801

It saves them

 

397

00:12:15,801 --> 00:12:18,170

money, saves the builder money

 

398

00:12:18,170 --> 00:12:20,072

and the homeowners.

 

399

00:12:20,072 --> 00:12:21,440

I definitely agree with you.

 

400

00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,243

The homeowners need to be educated on it.

 

401

00:12:24,243 --> 00:12:25,244

But, you know,

 

402

00:12:25,244 --> 00:12:25,511

when they're

 

403

00:12:25,511 --> 00:12:26,612

walking through a new house

 

404

00:12:26,612 --> 00:12:27,747

and it goes, yeah, we you know,

 

405

00:12:27,747 --> 00:12:29,582

we use these new waterproof floors.

 

406

00:12:29,582 --> 00:12:30,049

Oh, boy.

 

407

00:12:30,049 --> 00:12:32,651

Everybody's like, Oh, that's great.

 

408

00:12:32,651 --> 00:12:33,719

So you're right,

 

409

00:12:33,719 --> 00:12:36,355

we have to get to the homeowner, but

 

410

00:12:36,355 --> 00:12:37,857

we also have to get to the builder

 

411

00:12:37,857 --> 00:12:39,492

because just like that commercial

 

412

00:12:39,492 --> 00:12:42,161

you read there about the Camp Lagoon.

 

413

00:12:42,428 --> 00:12:42,762

Yeah,

 

414

00:12:42,762 --> 00:12:43,596

they're the ones who are going

 

415

00:12:43,596 --> 00:12:46,031

to be on the hook for this.

 

416

00:12:46,031 --> 00:12:47,099

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

 

417

00:12:47,099 --> 00:12:48,734

I couldn't agree more.

 

418

00:12:48,734 --> 00:12:50,569

And almost every building

 

419

00:12:50,569 --> 00:12:51,637

you see right now,

 

420

00:12:51,637 --> 00:12:53,372

there's fall in love with this product.

 

421

00:12:53,372 --> 00:12:54,640

It's really

 

422

00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,476

it's it's a it's driven by profits

 

423

00:12:57,476 --> 00:12:58,177

and what have you.

 

424

00:12:58,177 --> 00:12:58,844

And it's not driven

 

425

00:12:58,844 --> 00:13:01,080

by the responsible thing to do.

 

426

00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:02,348

So we're,

 

427

00:13:02,348 --> 00:13:04,416

you know, we're we being hard on this.

 

428

00:13:04,416 --> 00:13:05,518

Damn right we are.

 

429

00:13:05,518 --> 00:13:07,219

We are being hard on it. And

 

430

00:13:08,254 --> 00:13:09,922

I'm trying to stand

 

431

00:13:09,922 --> 00:13:11,190

up for the for the industry

 

432

00:13:11,190 --> 00:13:12,224

and for the guys in it.

 

433

00:13:12,224 --> 00:13:12,825

And you are

 

434

00:13:12,825 --> 00:13:16,762

I mean, when I say I, we are Rob and I.

 

435

00:13:16,762 --> 00:13:17,396

Thank you.

 

436

00:13:17,396 --> 00:13:18,230

I appreciate you.

 

437

00:13:18,230 --> 00:13:20,566

Throw me in the me. Yes.

 

438

00:13:20,966 --> 00:13:21,267

All right.

 

439

00:13:21,267 --> 00:13:22,201

Thank you.

 

440

00:13:22,201 --> 00:13:22,902

Well.

 

441

00:13:22,902 --> 00:13:23,469

You know,

 

442

00:13:23,469 --> 00:13:23,803

I know

 

443

00:13:23,803 --> 00:13:25,671

sometimes you forget them on the show.

 

444

00:13:25,671 --> 00:13:27,173

I do. I have.

 

445

00:13:27,173 --> 00:13:28,507

Absolutely. Yeah, yeah.

 

446

00:13:28,507 --> 00:13:29,975

Yeah. Sorry. Yeah.

 

447

00:13:30,042 --> 00:13:31,110

You know,

 

448

00:13:31,110 --> 00:13:31,844

they talk about

 

449

00:13:31,844 --> 00:13:33,846

how much VOCs these products have to

 

450

00:13:34,847 --> 00:13:36,415

that when they're reckoning

 

451

00:13:36,415 --> 00:13:37,316

when you install these, it's

 

452

00:13:37,316 --> 00:13:38,684

you're opening doors and windows,

 

453

00:13:38,684 --> 00:13:41,086

keep the room well ventilated.

 

454

00:13:41,086 --> 00:13:42,788

If you have respiratory issues

 

455

00:13:42,788 --> 00:13:44,890

and you wear a mask

 

456

00:13:44,890 --> 00:13:45,291

while you're in

 

457

00:13:45,291 --> 00:13:46,091

just the way

 

458

00:13:46,091 --> 00:13:46,959

you're installing this

 

459

00:13:46,959 --> 00:13:49,328

because it discharges so many VOCs.

 

460

00:13:50,029 --> 00:13:51,463

I mean, for heaven's sakes, man.

 

461

00:13:52,898 --> 00:13:55,668

You know, the crazy thing is

 

462

00:13:55,668 --> 00:13:57,970

where everything I mean,

 

463

00:13:57,970 --> 00:14:00,372

think of everything that you and I do

 

464

00:14:00,372 --> 00:14:01,740

every day.

 

465

00:14:01,841 --> 00:14:05,044

How much of it revolves around eco

 

466

00:14:05,044 --> 00:14:09,014

friendly sustainability, all that stuff?

 

467

00:14:09,014 --> 00:14:09,982

I mean,

 

468

00:14:10,182 --> 00:14:11,417

that's all we talk about there

 

469

00:14:11,417 --> 00:14:13,052

in the schools.

 

470

00:14:13,085 --> 00:14:16,121

All your adhesive products, you know,

 

471

00:14:16,121 --> 00:14:17,223

they're always safer

 

472

00:14:17,223 --> 00:14:18,257

and better and everything

 

473

00:14:18,257 --> 00:14:20,492

for the environment, for the homeowner.

 

474

00:14:20,492 --> 00:14:24,964

And now this is taking over our industry.

 

475

00:14:24,964 --> 00:14:26,966

It well, here's what I don't understand.

 

476

00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:29,802

You know, for a while there,

 

477

00:14:29,802 --> 00:14:31,303

especially you go to a lot of restaurants

 

478

00:14:31,303 --> 00:14:33,706

know we don't use plastic straws anymore

 

479

00:14:33,706 --> 00:14:34,573

plastics are always,

 

480

00:14:34,573 --> 00:14:36,876

you know, about the environment, right?

 

481

00:14:36,876 --> 00:14:37,443

Yeah.

 

482

00:14:37,877 --> 00:14:41,280

And and they're they're don't even

 

483

00:14:41,580 --> 00:14:44,350

they don't even sniff

 

484

00:14:44,350 --> 00:14:45,851

how much plastic straws are out there

 

485

00:14:45,851 --> 00:14:47,386

compared to these type of floor.

 

486

00:14:47,386 --> 00:14:49,421

It's not even on the same radar screen.

 

487

00:14:50,022 --> 00:14:51,690

So my God,

 

488

00:14:51,690 --> 00:14:54,226

I can't wait to go into a restaurant

 

489

00:14:54,226 --> 00:14:55,794

that hands me a paper floor

 

490

00:14:55,794 --> 00:14:57,863

and I'm walking on an MVP real quick.

 

491

00:14:57,863 --> 00:14:58,764

Yeah, yeah.

 

492

00:14:58,764 --> 00:15:00,499

You're doing us all a favor, are you?

 

493

00:15:00,499 --> 00:15:01,567

Yeah, yeah.

 

494

00:15:01,567 --> 00:15:02,067

Look at my.

 

495

00:15:02,067 --> 00:15:03,102

My kid here trying to eat,

 

496

00:15:03,102 --> 00:15:04,637

and he's off gassing in front of me.

 

497

00:15:04,637 --> 00:15:05,371

Right.

 

498

00:15:05,804 --> 00:15:06,605

It's fee.

 

499

00:15:06,605 --> 00:15:08,173

His his feet are melting

 

500

00:15:08,173 --> 00:15:09,074

right in front of us.

 

501

00:15:10,876 --> 00:15:11,644

It is the most

 

502

00:15:11,644 --> 00:15:14,780

non eco friendly product out there

 

503

00:15:15,948 --> 00:15:17,917

and it's just taken over

 

504

00:15:17,917 --> 00:15:19,852

like gangbusters.

 

505

00:15:19,852 --> 00:15:23,389

Yeah, the wood floor, really, it's on us.

 

506

00:15:23,389 --> 00:15:25,291

It really is. It's on.

 

507

00:15:25,291 --> 00:15:27,192

It's on our contractors. It's on.

 

508

00:15:27,192 --> 00:15:30,396

You know, anybody whose livelihood is

 

509

00:15:30,396 --> 00:15:32,731

in the wood floor business

 

510

00:15:32,731 --> 00:15:33,966

believe me when I tell you.

 

511

00:15:33,966 --> 00:15:34,767

Okay,

 

512

00:15:34,767 --> 00:15:36,869

there's a reason that I work for Bona

 

513

00:15:36,869 --> 00:15:37,836

and I'm not in the Bowen

 

514

00:15:37,836 --> 00:15:39,571

business anymore.

 

515

00:15:39,571 --> 00:15:42,875

And that was one of the big reasons.

 

516

00:15:42,875 --> 00:15:44,343

And man,

 

517

00:15:44,343 --> 00:15:46,312

they just dangled that money carrot

 

518

00:15:46,312 --> 00:15:47,479

right in front of us.

 

519

00:15:47,479 --> 00:15:48,614

And

 

520

00:15:49,915 --> 00:15:50,616

you know,

 

521

00:15:50,649 --> 00:15:51,984

my family is as guilty

 

522

00:15:51,984 --> 00:15:54,386

as anybody at jumping on that,

 

523

00:15:54,386 --> 00:15:55,187

ripping out

 

524

00:15:55,187 --> 00:15:55,955

wood lanes

 

525

00:15:55,955 --> 00:15:56,989

all over the place,

 

526

00:15:56,989 --> 00:15:59,024

reinstalling synthetic.

 

527

00:15:59,024 --> 00:16:01,961

And after about eight years,

 

528

00:16:02,361 --> 00:16:04,663

you know, in the bowling industry,

 

529

00:16:04,663 --> 00:16:06,665

like I said, I worked on lanes that

 

530

00:16:07,299 --> 00:16:08,801

my great grandfather built.

 

531

00:16:08,801 --> 00:16:11,470

We had that customer, you know,

 

532

00:16:11,837 --> 00:16:12,972

that was our customer.

 

533

00:16:12,972 --> 00:16:15,341

You just had a list of customers

 

534

00:16:15,341 --> 00:16:16,075

that every year

 

535

00:16:16,075 --> 00:16:18,277

you were either doing a full sand

 

536

00:16:18,277 --> 00:16:20,913

or Ricoh or repairs or whatever.

 

537

00:16:20,913 --> 00:16:21,981

You know, you were in there

 

538

00:16:21,981 --> 00:16:23,749

every single year.

 

539

00:16:23,749 --> 00:16:25,784

Well, after eight years of synthetics,

 

540

00:16:26,885 --> 00:16:27,386

we lost

 

541

00:16:27,386 --> 00:16:30,756

about 70% of our customer base.

 

542

00:16:31,190 --> 00:16:32,358

And I remember,

 

543

00:16:32,358 --> 00:16:34,593

you know, we were looking at

 

544

00:16:34,593 --> 00:16:34,860

you know,

 

545

00:16:34,860 --> 00:16:36,295

we were looking at the summer book

 

546

00:16:36,295 --> 00:16:38,530

one day and we're like, what?

 

547

00:16:38,530 --> 00:16:39,631

What's going on?

 

548

00:16:39,631 --> 00:16:40,733

You know what I mean?

 

549

00:16:40,733 --> 00:16:42,201

Usually it's like

 

550

00:16:42,201 --> 00:16:44,370

we're starting by April.

 

551

00:16:44,370 --> 00:16:46,005

It was until like June

 

552

00:16:46,005 --> 00:16:47,940

that we were starting to get in and

 

553

00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:49,742

but we had, you know,

 

554

00:16:49,742 --> 00:16:50,175

what do they

 

555

00:16:50,175 --> 00:16:52,211

how do they say that we cut our nose off

 

556

00:16:52,211 --> 00:16:53,712

despite our face or whatever.

 

557

00:16:53,712 --> 00:16:56,181

But, you know, we went for that money.

 

558

00:16:56,415 --> 00:16:58,117

We went for the money grab

 

559

00:16:58,117 --> 00:17:00,185

doing all these synthetics

 

560

00:17:00,185 --> 00:17:02,121

and completely wiped ourselves out.

 

561

00:17:02,121 --> 00:17:04,490

And I just don't want to see that happen

 

562

00:17:04,823 --> 00:17:07,192

a second time in my lifetime.

 

563

00:17:07,192 --> 00:17:08,494

And I think the time is

 

564

00:17:08,494 --> 00:17:09,161

that's the that's

 

565

00:17:09,161 --> 00:17:11,163

the urgency to me is that is

 

566

00:17:11,163 --> 00:17:12,498

we need to save our our

 

567

00:17:12,498 --> 00:17:15,000

our industry here.

 

568

00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,702

We really need to look at that.

 

569

00:17:16,702 --> 00:17:17,269

I mean, there's enough

 

570

00:17:17,269 --> 00:17:19,071

challenges out there as it is.

 

571

00:17:19,071 --> 00:17:20,506

I mean, the retailers

 

572

00:17:20,506 --> 00:17:21,073

and I'll tell you,

 

573

00:17:21,073 --> 00:17:21,807

if retail doesn't

 

574

00:17:21,807 --> 00:17:22,708

figure out the challenge

 

575

00:17:22,708 --> 00:17:24,810

pretty soon of of labor

 

576

00:17:24,810 --> 00:17:25,477

in five years,

 

577

00:17:25,477 --> 00:17:27,579

it won't be any more retail stores.

 

578

00:17:27,579 --> 00:17:30,582

I mean, so I if everybody keeps

 

579

00:17:30,582 --> 00:17:32,751

look taken a blind eye towards this and

 

580

00:17:32,751 --> 00:17:33,752

look in the other direction

 

581

00:17:34,853 --> 00:17:35,320

and

 

582

00:17:36,188 --> 00:17:37,222

I think the industry

 

583

00:17:37,222 --> 00:17:38,791

is going to be hurting for it.

 

584

00:17:38,791 --> 00:17:41,927

You know, they're also when we got done

 

585

00:17:42,127 --> 00:17:43,062

installing a floor,

 

586

00:17:43,062 --> 00:17:45,264

even the pre finished floor

 

587

00:17:45,264 --> 00:17:47,433

I'm partial to I'm a stand and finish guy

 

588

00:17:47,433 --> 00:17:48,901

as you are to rob

 

589

00:17:48,901 --> 00:17:50,402

but so when you get done

 

590

00:17:50,402 --> 00:17:51,003

at the end of the day

 

591

00:17:51,003 --> 00:17:51,637

you've installed

 

592

00:17:51,637 --> 00:17:53,072

sand on the floor and finished the floor

 

593

00:17:53,072 --> 00:17:54,840

or even a pre finished floor

 

594

00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:56,041

and you're done with that install

 

595

00:17:56,041 --> 00:17:56,608

and you stand back,

 

596

00:17:56,608 --> 00:17:57,609

you look at it

 

597

00:17:57,609 --> 00:17:59,311

took a craftsman to do that,

 

598

00:17:59,311 --> 00:17:59,878

you know what I mean?

 

599

00:17:59,878 --> 00:18:00,512

You look back

 

600

00:18:00,512 --> 00:18:03,248

saying not a lot of guys can do this

 

601

00:18:03,949 --> 00:18:05,084

and these type of flaws,

 

602

00:18:05,084 --> 00:18:06,752

like anybody can put these floors down

 

603

00:18:06,752 --> 00:18:07,653

and it doesn't take a

 

604

00:18:07,653 --> 00:18:09,221

I mean, I'm not knocking

 

605

00:18:09,221 --> 00:18:11,023

whatever but a whole lot easier

 

606

00:18:11,023 --> 00:18:12,191

to put one of these floors down

 

607

00:18:12,191 --> 00:18:13,625

as far as technical

 

608

00:18:13,625 --> 00:18:16,595

technically than in a real floor.

 

609

00:18:16,595 --> 00:18:17,830

Right. Mhm.

 

610

00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:18,564

So

 

611

00:18:18,564 --> 00:18:19,531

and when you then

 

612

00:18:19,531 --> 00:18:20,732

if you look at repairability of

 

613

00:18:20,732 --> 00:18:23,335

these floors, you know, let's look

 

614

00:18:24,536 --> 00:18:25,771

for the homeowner

 

615

00:18:25,771 --> 00:18:26,038

trying to

 

616

00:18:26,038 --> 00:18:29,775

repair one of these floors down the road

 

617

00:18:29,775 --> 00:18:30,142

there.

 

618

00:18:30,142 --> 00:18:33,045

There is no repairability, it's in place.

 

619

00:18:33,045 --> 00:18:33,579

Yeah.

 

620

00:18:33,579 --> 00:18:34,580

It's replace,

 

621

00:18:34,580 --> 00:18:36,281

you know that document

 

622

00:18:36,281 --> 00:18:37,983

that you had sent me

 

623

00:18:37,983 --> 00:18:38,317

and I,

 

624

00:18:38,317 --> 00:18:39,852

you know, I looked up some more stuff

 

625

00:18:39,852 --> 00:18:40,252

about what

 

626

00:18:40,252 --> 00:18:42,221

we're going to talk about today.

 

627

00:18:42,221 --> 00:18:44,556

I had no idea

 

628

00:18:44,556 --> 00:18:48,160

how bad these things weren't sunlight.

 

629

00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,663

You could always call me.

 

630

00:18:51,663 --> 00:18:52,531

I'd rather

 

631

00:18:52,531 --> 00:18:54,333

figure this stuff out on my own

 

632

00:18:54,333 --> 00:18:54,633

there

 

633

00:18:54,700 --> 00:18:56,902

as much as I like to call, you know.

 

634

00:18:57,603 --> 00:18:59,671

But the one article I was reading,

 

635

00:19:00,672 --> 00:19:02,941

they were saying to tell your homeowner,

 

636

00:19:02,941 --> 00:19:04,109

Yeah, if you get sunlight,

 

637

00:19:04,109 --> 00:19:05,344

make sure you put carpet

 

638

00:19:05,344 --> 00:19:07,112

there, put your big furniture over

 

639

00:19:07,112 --> 00:19:08,347

in that area,

 

640

00:19:08,347 --> 00:19:09,848

you know, move things around.

 

641

00:19:09,848 --> 00:19:11,450

So the sunlight doesn't really hit

 

642

00:19:11,450 --> 00:19:13,185

these floors. I was like, you got to be

 

643

00:19:14,686 --> 00:19:16,021

where are these people living?

 

644

00:19:16,021 --> 00:19:16,321

I mean,

 

645

00:19:16,321 --> 00:19:18,790

so many of the jobs that we run into now

 

646

00:19:18,824 --> 00:19:22,127

are all windows, tons of sunlight.

 

647

00:19:22,694 --> 00:19:24,663

Who's living in these caves now

 

648

00:19:24,663 --> 00:19:28,867

where there's no sunlight?

 

649

00:19:28,867 --> 00:19:31,336

Yeah, anywhere.

 

650

00:19:31,336 --> 00:19:32,304

You living in the south?

 

651

00:19:32,304 --> 00:19:32,771

Anywhere. Anywhere.

 

652

00:19:32,771 --> 00:19:34,139

You got exposure to the light

 

653

00:19:34,139 --> 00:19:34,873

hitting a certain part

 

654

00:19:34,873 --> 00:19:35,541

of your house, right?

 

655

00:19:35,541 --> 00:19:36,642

You know what I mean?

 

656

00:19:36,642 --> 00:19:37,776

It can be wreak

 

657

00:19:37,776 --> 00:19:39,711

havoc on these type of floors

 

658

00:19:39,711 --> 00:19:41,280

and you're seeing these floors

 

659

00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,216

shrink lengthwise.

 

660

00:19:44,216 --> 00:19:46,118

I've seen some brutal shrinkage

 

661

00:19:46,118 --> 00:19:48,787

on these floors. On these floors.

 

662

00:19:48,787 --> 00:19:50,155

Lengthwise.

 

663

00:19:50,155 --> 00:19:52,357

Really? Yes.

 

664

00:19:52,357 --> 00:19:54,092

We have a friend of ours that

 

665

00:19:54,092 --> 00:19:54,793

they bought the house

 

666

00:19:54,793 --> 00:19:56,562

and she asked me,

 

667

00:19:56,562 --> 00:19:57,696

what can you do with these floors?

 

668

00:19:57,696 --> 00:19:58,463

And I started laughing.

 

669

00:19:58,463 --> 00:19:59,565

I mean, it was

 

670

00:19:59,565 --> 00:20:01,867

it was hideous looking, so.

 

671

00:20:01,867 --> 00:20:02,601

Yeah.

 

672

00:20:02,601 --> 00:20:05,537

So oh, yeah.

 

673

00:20:05,871 --> 00:20:07,306

So sunlight is not a friend

 

674

00:20:07,306 --> 00:20:08,707

with these type of products.

 

675

00:20:10,108 --> 00:20:12,077

A lot of inconsistency

 

676

00:20:12,077 --> 00:20:14,012

in the quality too,

 

677

00:20:14,012 --> 00:20:15,847

depending on what brand you choose.

 

678

00:20:15,847 --> 00:20:16,181

I mean, there's

 

679

00:20:16,181 --> 00:20:16,882

some of the quality out

 

680

00:20:16,882 --> 00:20:18,116

there is just brutal.

 

681

00:20:18,116 --> 00:20:19,251

And then you're trying to match them

 

682

00:20:19,251 --> 00:20:20,819

later down the road and everything.

 

683

00:20:20,819 --> 00:20:22,854

And you can't repair a plane

 

684

00:20:22,854 --> 00:20:25,057

like that, like a hardwood floor

 

685

00:20:25,057 --> 00:20:26,491

where could repair one of the planks

 

686

00:20:26,491 --> 00:20:26,825

and do,

 

687

00:20:26,825 --> 00:20:28,560

you know, chase the grain or whatever.

 

688

00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,862

And there's no repair in these things,

 

689

00:20:31,530 --> 00:20:33,732

so. Oh, I don't know, man.

 

690

00:20:33,732 --> 00:20:34,933

I just think

 

691

00:20:34,933 --> 00:20:35,367

there needs to be

 

692

00:20:35,367 --> 00:20:36,668

a sense of urgency around these.

 

693

00:20:36,668 --> 00:20:37,502

And I wish one of

 

694

00:20:37,502 --> 00:20:38,403

the organizations

 

695

00:20:38,403 --> 00:20:40,639

would get behind this more.

 

696

00:20:40,639 --> 00:20:41,240

And really,

 

697

00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:41,840

I don't know why

 

698

00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,008

the flooring industry doesn't

 

699

00:20:43,008 --> 00:20:44,409

doesn't put our message out there.

 

700

00:20:44,409 --> 00:20:45,644

And I'll tell you what,

 

701

00:20:45,644 --> 00:20:47,246

if I was one of the big wood

 

702

00:20:47,246 --> 00:20:49,081

flooring manufacturers,

 

703

00:20:49,081 --> 00:20:49,848

I would get together

 

704

00:20:49,848 --> 00:20:51,883

with the rest of them and say, look,

 

705

00:20:51,883 --> 00:20:53,151

we better, we better,

 

706

00:20:53,151 --> 00:20:55,420

we better put a message out.

 

707

00:20:55,420 --> 00:20:56,355

We better

 

708

00:20:56,355 --> 00:20:57,589

start having a backbone

 

709

00:20:57,589 --> 00:20:59,925

and start fighting back

 

710

00:20:59,925 --> 00:21:00,726

because you're letting it

 

711

00:21:00,726 --> 00:21:02,160

get away from you

 

712

00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,062

and, you know, you guys,

 

713

00:21:04,062 --> 00:21:05,097

I would think they would want

 

714

00:21:05,097 --> 00:21:06,598

to lead the charge on this.

 

715

00:21:06,598 --> 00:21:08,100

If you put everybody together,

 

716

00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:09,401

all of them together,

 

717

00:21:09,401 --> 00:21:10,068

everybody put

 

718

00:21:10,068 --> 00:21:11,136

in a certain amount of money

 

719

00:21:11,136 --> 00:21:15,641

and they'd do their own advertising.

 

720

00:21:15,641 --> 00:21:17,776

And I think it would make a hell

 

721

00:21:17,776 --> 00:21:18,944

of a lot of sense to me. Oh.

 

722

00:21:20,212 --> 00:21:20,779

My God.

 

723

00:21:20,779 --> 00:21:21,013

Yeah.

 

724

00:21:21,013 --> 00:21:21,680

I mean,

 

725

00:21:22,281 --> 00:21:23,949

especially just what you said,

 

726

00:21:23,949 --> 00:21:25,817

you know, the mills

 

727

00:21:25,817 --> 00:21:28,120

why the mills aren't all.

 

728

00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:29,655

And I'm hoping somebody from the mill

 

729

00:21:29,655 --> 00:21:30,589

just heard what I said

 

730

00:21:30,589 --> 00:21:31,590

when I was walking around

 

731

00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:33,659

that distributor last week thinking,

 

732

00:21:34,426 --> 00:21:37,195

holy crap, where's the wood?

 

733

00:21:37,195 --> 00:21:39,264

And for and for mills that are saying,

 

734

00:21:39,264 --> 00:21:40,332

well, we'll just get in

 

735

00:21:40,332 --> 00:21:41,800

this game as well and offer

 

736

00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,168

one of these as well.

 

737

00:21:43,168 --> 00:21:44,469

I think you're also

 

738

00:21:44,469 --> 00:21:45,871

kind of cutting your throat.

 

739

00:21:45,871 --> 00:21:46,905

Just take it.

 

740

00:21:46,905 --> 00:21:48,173

You're too late.

 

741

00:21:48,173 --> 00:21:49,107

It's you know,

 

742

00:21:49,107 --> 00:21:49,975

well, you just like you

 

743

00:21:49,975 --> 00:21:50,976

said, most of the stuff's

 

744

00:21:50,976 --> 00:21:52,477

coming from someplace

 

745

00:21:52,477 --> 00:21:53,879

in Indonesia, Asia,

 

746

00:21:53,879 --> 00:21:55,380

where they just don't

 

747

00:21:55,380 --> 00:21:56,915

have the same guidelines

 

748

00:21:56,915 --> 00:21:58,717

that we have over here.

 

749

00:21:58,717 --> 00:22:01,186

But, you know, all they have to do

 

750

00:22:02,387 --> 00:22:03,622

to me is simple.

 

751

00:22:04,589 --> 00:22:05,857

Everything now,

 

752

00:22:05,857 --> 00:22:07,693

it's all we hear about

 

753

00:22:07,693 --> 00:22:09,361

is the environment.

 

754

00:22:09,361 --> 00:22:12,230

Everything is the environment, right.

 

755

00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:14,800

That's that's all that's all we hear.

 

756

00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,802

Wind and solar environment, environment,

 

757

00:22:16,835 --> 00:22:19,004

recycling the whole deal.

 

758

00:22:19,004 --> 00:22:22,274

These floors are very hard to recycle.

 

759

00:22:22,274 --> 00:22:23,742

It's not like a plastic milk

 

760

00:22:23,742 --> 00:22:25,510

junk that you can recycle and use.

 

761

00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:27,846

Again, these things are poison,

 

762

00:22:27,846 --> 00:22:29,414

so you can't recycle poison.

 

763

00:22:29,414 --> 00:22:31,283

It's very difficult to recycle

 

764

00:22:31,283 --> 00:22:32,417

these floors

 

765

00:22:32,784 --> 00:22:33,352

come ten,

 

766

00:22:33,352 --> 00:22:33,985

12 years

 

767

00:22:33,985 --> 00:22:34,619

down the road

 

768

00:22:34,619 --> 00:22:35,587

when all this stuff starts

 

769

00:22:35,587 --> 00:22:37,189

getting ripped out

 

770

00:22:37,189 --> 00:22:38,724

that they're not sure

 

771

00:22:38,724 --> 00:22:40,425

what they're going to do with it.

 

772

00:22:40,425 --> 00:22:42,461

Yeah, yeah.

 

773

00:22:42,527 --> 00:22:43,395

I don't know what.

 

774

00:22:43,395 --> 00:22:44,262

All these wood

 

775

00:22:44,262 --> 00:22:46,331

mills, I mean, they got to be feeling it,

 

776

00:22:48,066 --> 00:22:48,500

you know,

 

777

00:22:48,500 --> 00:22:49,501

they got to be feeling

 

778

00:22:49,501 --> 00:22:50,302

I mean, we're,

 

779

00:22:50,302 --> 00:22:51,470

you know, deep down,

 

780

00:22:51,470 --> 00:22:52,270

we're floor standards.

 

781

00:22:52,270 --> 00:22:53,672

So there's going to be

 

782

00:22:53,672 --> 00:22:55,340

a lot of wood floors and sand out there.

 

783

00:22:55,340 --> 00:22:57,409

But every time we put one of these in

 

784

00:22:58,110 --> 00:23:00,045

and just crossing off another house,

 

785

00:23:00,045 --> 00:23:00,712

you know,

 

786

00:23:00,879 --> 00:23:01,780

you just crossing off

 

787

00:23:01,780 --> 00:23:03,148

another bowling alley, it

 

788

00:23:04,383 --> 00:23:04,983

trust me.

 

789

00:23:04,983 --> 00:23:05,584

Believe me when

 

790

00:23:05,584 --> 00:23:07,018

I say this, I mean, it

 

791

00:23:07,018 --> 00:23:09,688

absolutely destroyed our family business

 

792

00:23:10,555 --> 00:23:11,923

with the synthetics.

 

793

00:23:11,923 --> 00:23:14,292

And man, I see this,

 

794

00:23:14,292 --> 00:23:15,093

you know, of course

 

795

00:23:15,093 --> 00:23:17,329

it's a much larger scale.

 

796

00:23:17,329 --> 00:23:19,965

Um, well, the volumes it was a,

 

797

00:23:19,965 --> 00:23:20,332

you know,

 

798

00:23:20,332 --> 00:23:21,767

a much smaller industry

 

799

00:23:21,767 --> 00:23:24,002

that got hit by this, but

 

800

00:23:24,002 --> 00:23:25,003

and it wiped us out

 

801

00:23:25,003 --> 00:23:26,471

in less than ten years.

 

802

00:23:26,471 --> 00:23:28,173

Well, that's a lesson

 

803

00:23:28,173 --> 00:23:29,207

that's always a lesson

 

804

00:23:29,207 --> 00:23:31,343

for what could happen to our industry

 

805

00:23:31,343 --> 00:23:33,445

now, no question about it.

 

806

00:23:33,879 --> 00:23:35,414

And, um, frankly, I don't care, you know,

 

807

00:23:35,414 --> 00:23:36,748

you see them in high end homes,

 

808

00:23:36,748 --> 00:23:38,250

but when I walk in and see one of these

 

809

00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:39,151

now, I just,

 

810

00:23:39,151 --> 00:23:40,652

it just doesn't do anything for me,

 

811

00:23:40,652 --> 00:23:41,453

you know what I mean?

 

812

00:23:41,453 --> 00:23:44,055

It's all about adding value to the home.

 

813

00:23:44,055 --> 00:23:45,757

Just doesn't really.

 

814

00:23:45,757 --> 00:23:47,025

There is no way

 

815

00:23:47,025 --> 00:23:49,027

that this can add value to. The home.

 

816

00:23:49,027 --> 00:23:51,062

No, no way.

 

817

00:23:51,062 --> 00:23:54,332

No, they kind of cheapen here,

 

818

00:23:54,433 --> 00:23:54,633

you know,

 

819

00:23:54,633 --> 00:23:56,001

especially when you see a new home

 

820

00:23:56,001 --> 00:23:57,102

and it has these type of floors.

 

821

00:23:57,102 --> 00:23:59,104

To me, it's an indication of cheapness.

 

822

00:23:59,104 --> 00:24:01,239

Then I started looking around about

 

823

00:24:01,239 --> 00:24:02,808

the cabinets. Now.

 

824

00:24:02,808 --> 00:24:03,408

But what else did

 

825

00:24:03,408 --> 00:24:04,576

where else did they cheap out?

 

826

00:24:04,576 --> 00:24:05,444

Because it was quick

 

827

00:24:05,444 --> 00:24:06,211

and they could get it done,

 

828

00:24:06,211 --> 00:24:07,279

you know what I mean?

 

829

00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:09,147

And so then you go in the bathroom,

 

830

00:24:09,147 --> 00:24:09,347

you go

 

831

00:24:09,347 --> 00:24:10,315

the tile raggedy yanked

 

832

00:24:10,315 --> 00:24:11,483

that off the wall,

 

833

00:24:11,483 --> 00:24:13,351

you know, just just to prove a point.

 

834

00:24:13,351 --> 00:24:13,618

Yeah.

 

835

00:24:14,219 --> 00:24:15,086

So this is what you spend

 

836

00:24:15,086 --> 00:24:15,720

your time doing.

 

837

00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,489

Going around, looking at your home.

 

838

00:24:17,489 --> 00:24:18,590

Looking at home, just looking at it.

 

839

00:24:18,590 --> 00:24:19,458

Looking at homes.

 

840

00:24:19,458 --> 00:24:21,560

Seems to tell. Rakoff Yeah.

 

841

00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:22,861

Carry marbles with me saying

 

842

00:24:22,861 --> 00:24:24,129

say this floor is at a level

 

843

00:24:27,365 --> 00:24:29,334

of the baseboard off the wall.

 

844

00:24:29,334 --> 00:24:30,602

Those are the days it's raining

 

845

00:24:30,602 --> 00:24:31,837

and you can't go fishing.

 

846

00:24:31,837 --> 00:24:34,473

Yeah, yeah.

 

847

00:24:34,473 --> 00:24:35,941

You need something to do.

 

848

00:24:35,941 --> 00:24:36,608

Yeah.

 

849

00:24:36,908 --> 00:24:38,043

So, I don't know, man.

 

850

00:24:38,043 --> 00:24:39,077

I just, I,

 

851

00:24:39,077 --> 00:24:39,811

you know, Rob,

 

852

00:24:39,811 --> 00:24:41,613

you and I are on the same page with this.

 

853

00:24:41,613 --> 00:24:43,315

It's frightening to us

 

854

00:24:43,315 --> 00:24:44,716

for a lot of reasons.

 

855

00:24:44,716 --> 00:24:45,917

One, that, like you said,

 

856

00:24:45,917 --> 00:24:46,251

I mean,

 

857

00:24:46,251 --> 00:24:48,620

it's a threat to our livelihood, I think,

 

858

00:24:48,620 --> 00:24:49,488

and it would kill off

 

859

00:24:49,488 --> 00:24:51,089

a damn good industry that we're

 

860

00:24:51,089 --> 00:24:51,723

damn good,

 

861

00:24:51,723 --> 00:24:53,959

hardworking people, that that the message

 

862

00:24:53,959 --> 00:24:55,460

is sustaining ability.

 

863

00:24:55,460 --> 00:24:57,529

The message is is is so

 

864

00:24:57,729 --> 00:24:58,463

I mean,

 

865

00:24:58,630 --> 00:25:00,832

it's just a great industry to work in

 

866

00:25:01,199 --> 00:25:02,934

that could go by the wayside with this

 

867

00:25:02,934 --> 00:25:04,002

this cheap crap

 

868

00:25:04,002 --> 00:25:06,304

and then once they realize what it is

 

869

00:25:06,304 --> 00:25:08,173

and then all the issues come around it,

 

870

00:25:08,173 --> 00:25:09,474

there's not going to be any guys left

 

871

00:25:09,474 --> 00:25:10,509

to make a difference in the

 

872

00:25:10,509 --> 00:25:12,477

harbor for any industry. So

 

873

00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:17,148

there you go.

 

874

00:25:17,148 --> 00:25:19,184

There you go.

 

875

00:25:19,351 --> 00:25:21,019

So here's another article.

 

876

00:25:21,019 --> 00:25:22,554

Researchers of researchers

 

877

00:25:22,554 --> 00:25:24,890

have found that children living in homes

 

878

00:25:24,890 --> 00:25:26,491

with vinyl flooring

 

879

00:25:26,491 --> 00:25:26,892

and sofa

 

880

00:25:26,892 --> 00:25:27,893

treated with retarded

 

881

00:25:27,893 --> 00:25:28,527

chemicals show

 

882

00:25:28,527 --> 00:25:29,361

increased levels

 

883

00:25:29,361 --> 00:25:30,962

of certain toxic chemicals.

 

884

00:25:30,962 --> 00:25:32,430

These chemicals have been associated

 

885

00:25:32,430 --> 00:25:33,932

with serious health issues,

 

886

00:25:33,932 --> 00:25:35,367

including respiratory

 

887

00:25:35,367 --> 00:25:36,668

problems, neurological

 

888

00:25:36,668 --> 00:25:38,803

neurological problems for kids,

 

889

00:25:38,803 --> 00:25:41,139

skin irritation and cancer.

 

890

00:25:41,139 --> 00:25:41,907

Parents. Parents.

 

891

00:25:41,907 --> 00:25:43,708

Warning, parental warning.

 

892

00:25:43,708 --> 00:25:46,878

Harmful chemicals in vinyl floors.

 

893

00:25:46,878 --> 00:25:48,446

All that weird

 

894

00:25:48,446 --> 00:25:49,915

that they found this, though,

 

895

00:25:49,915 --> 00:25:51,516

in the kids, right?

 

896

00:25:51,516 --> 00:25:52,017

Yeah.

 

897

00:25:52,017 --> 00:25:52,684

It's weird.

 

898

00:25:52,684 --> 00:25:55,053

On that in the kids urine.

 

899

00:25:55,053 --> 00:25:57,122

Way to dumb like us

 

900

00:25:57,122 --> 00:25:59,991

as you're talking about nobody else is

 

901

00:25:59,991 --> 00:26:01,126

you know what I mean?

 

902

00:26:01,259 --> 00:26:02,027

I feel like.

 

903

00:26:02,027 --> 00:26:03,762

What was that Nader guy?

 

904

00:26:03,762 --> 00:26:05,864

You remember him?

 

905

00:26:05,864 --> 00:26:06,932

Ralph Nader.

 

906

00:26:06,932 --> 00:26:08,900

Ralph Nader? Mm hmm.

 

907

00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:10,168

Was exposing all kinds of stuff.

 

908

00:26:10,168 --> 00:26:12,437

We are the 60 minutes now of

 

909

00:26:13,438 --> 00:26:14,039

of

 

910

00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:15,807

investigative.

 

911

00:26:15,807 --> 00:26:16,007

We're going

 

912

00:26:16,007 --> 00:26:18,143

to be investigative journalists

 

913

00:26:18,143 --> 00:26:19,244

when we're done with this.

 

914

00:26:19,244 --> 00:26:20,245

You know, Ralph Nader,

 

915

00:26:20,245 --> 00:26:22,314

work for my grandparents.

 

916

00:26:22,314 --> 00:26:23,281

You're kidding.

 

917

00:26:23,281 --> 00:26:24,482

Swear to go work.

 

918

00:26:24,482 --> 00:26:26,551

Former investigated your parents.

 

919

00:26:27,118 --> 00:26:29,354

He worked Ralph Nader work

 

920

00:26:29,354 --> 00:26:30,789

for my grandparents.

 

921

00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:32,924

You're like an onion every day I

 

922

00:26:32,924 --> 00:26:34,292

something more interesting comes my.

 

923

00:26:34,292 --> 00:26:36,795

Grandparents owned a very small

 

924

00:26:36,795 --> 00:26:39,431

bowling alley in Harvard Square

 

925

00:26:40,231 --> 00:26:42,968

was a 12 lane bowling alley downstairs.

 

926

00:26:43,435 --> 00:26:44,903

Harvard Square.

 

927

00:26:44,903 --> 00:26:47,572

Ralph Nader went to Harvard.

 

928

00:26:47,572 --> 00:26:50,942

He was working at my grandparents

 

929

00:26:50,942 --> 00:26:52,243

bowling alley.

 

930

00:26:52,243 --> 00:26:53,812

I remember my grandmother

 

931

00:26:53,812 --> 00:26:54,646

because we were talking

 

932

00:26:54,646 --> 00:26:55,380

long time ago,

 

933

00:26:55,380 --> 00:26:55,914

talking about who's

 

934

00:26:55,914 --> 00:26:57,282

running for president.

 

935

00:26:57,282 --> 00:26:58,950

And she went out and got his pay stub.

 

936

00:26:58,950 --> 00:27:01,052

She hung on to his pay stubs

 

937

00:27:01,386 --> 00:27:04,589

from, you know, had to be in the fifties.

 

938

00:27:04,623 --> 00:27:05,256

Yeah.

 

939

00:27:05,991 --> 00:27:07,325

That is the Ralph Nader.

 

940

00:27:07,325 --> 00:27:09,060

He worked for us.

 

941

00:27:09,060 --> 00:27:10,161

He was from Connecticut.

 

942

00:27:11,363 --> 00:27:13,398

And one day

 

943

00:27:13,398 --> 00:27:14,566

he's looking at my grandfather

 

944

00:27:14,566 --> 00:27:15,066

and he goes,

 

945

00:27:15,066 --> 00:27:18,003

This is the most unbelievable business

 

946

00:27:18,003 --> 00:27:19,671

I've ever seen.

 

947

00:27:19,671 --> 00:27:21,673

He said, You just walk away

 

948

00:27:21,673 --> 00:27:24,309

with piles of cash every single day

 

949

00:27:24,709 --> 00:27:26,745

and you don't put anything out there,

 

950

00:27:26,745 --> 00:27:28,680

right? Nader He's going to Harvard.

 

951

00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:29,581

Yeah.

 

952

00:27:29,748 --> 00:27:32,517

So everything he looks at is business.

 

953

00:27:32,851 --> 00:27:33,818

My grandfather's like, what?

 

954

00:27:33,818 --> 00:27:34,653

What are you talking about?

 

955

00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:36,588

I got to pay for two for the lights,

 

956

00:27:36,588 --> 00:27:37,322

for this for dad.

 

957

00:27:37,322 --> 00:27:39,691

He goes, Look at Mr. Johnson.

 

958

00:27:39,691 --> 00:27:41,793

My family's in the restaurant business,

 

959

00:27:42,727 --> 00:27:43,261

okay?

 

960

00:27:43,261 --> 00:27:44,729

And we charge so much

 

961

00:27:44,729 --> 00:27:46,531

for a plate of food, but

 

962

00:27:46,531 --> 00:27:47,966

we have to still pay for the heat,

 

963

00:27:47,966 --> 00:27:49,134

the lights and everything,

 

964

00:27:49,134 --> 00:27:51,169

and we have to pay for all their food.

 

965

00:27:52,203 --> 00:27:54,139

You know, we pay your care,

 

966

00:27:54,139 --> 00:27:56,374

we do all that, and then we sell it.

 

967

00:27:56,374 --> 00:27:57,242

He goes,

 

968

00:27:57,242 --> 00:27:58,376

You just sit here,

 

969

00:27:58,376 --> 00:28:00,545

flip a switch and collect money.

 

970

00:28:00,578 --> 00:28:04,349

And you're good.

 

971

00:28:04,349 --> 00:28:05,417

That's a good point.

 

972

00:28:05,417 --> 00:28:08,820

He said that he he said Nader couldn't

 

973

00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:10,188

wrap his head around it

 

974

00:28:10,188 --> 00:28:11,556

because he was the guy

 

975

00:28:11,556 --> 00:28:13,091

working the register. Right.

 

976

00:28:13,091 --> 00:28:14,659

You run right.

 

977

00:28:14,659 --> 00:28:15,960

He goes even the shoes

 

978

00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,062

you get the shoes back,

 

979

00:28:17,062 --> 00:28:18,430

you give him the same pair of shoes.

 

980

00:28:18,430 --> 00:28:19,531

They give us $0.50.

 

981

00:28:19,531 --> 00:28:20,331

You keep

 

982

00:28:20,331 --> 00:28:22,100

you keep giving the same shoes back to.

 

983

00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:22,467

People

 

984

00:28:25,270 --> 00:28:27,038

as a trip.

 

985

00:28:27,038 --> 00:28:29,340

Yeah, yeah. Wow, wow.

 

986

00:28:29,340 --> 00:28:30,008

My grandma,

 

987

00:28:30,008 --> 00:28:32,243

even my my grandmother's saying,

 

988

00:28:32,243 --> 00:28:33,745

oh, Robby, he was a thinker.

 

989

00:28:33,745 --> 00:28:35,680

He was always writing, scribbling stuff.

 

990

00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,382

He was a thinker.

 

991

00:28:37,382 --> 00:28:39,184

And he goes, this whole business

 

992

00:28:39,184 --> 00:28:40,585

drove him crazy.

 

993

00:28:40,585 --> 00:28:42,721

Wow.

 

994

00:28:42,721 --> 00:28:44,155

As a trip.

 

995

00:28:44,622 --> 00:28:45,457

All right, Rob.

 

996

00:28:45,457 --> 00:28:47,125

Well, I don't think we have much more

 

997

00:28:47,125 --> 00:28:48,026

to add to this.

 

998

00:28:48,026 --> 00:28:50,929

I just we're talking about Ralph Nader.

 

999

00:28:50,929 --> 00:28:53,131

We're really showing our age. Yeah.

 

1000

00:28:53,732 --> 00:28:54,032

You know what

 

1001

00:28:54,032 --> 00:28:55,233

I think I would do, though,

 

1002

00:28:55,233 --> 00:28:57,235

if I was estimating a job

 

1003

00:28:57,235 --> 00:28:58,837

and I know a homeowner wanted

 

1004

00:28:58,837 --> 00:28:59,938

one of these floors,

 

1005

00:28:59,938 --> 00:29:01,239

I'd just say, listen,

 

1006

00:29:01,239 --> 00:29:03,274

listen to the podcast.

 

1007

00:29:03,441 --> 00:29:04,409

This is a podcast

 

1008

00:29:04,409 --> 00:29:05,577

and you still want one of the floors.

 

1009

00:29:05,577 --> 00:29:06,511

And, you know, I don't

 

1010

00:29:06,511 --> 00:29:08,413

I don't know what to tell you, but

 

1011

00:29:08,413 --> 00:29:09,414

I just think that there's

 

1012

00:29:09,414 --> 00:29:11,783

not a lot of education out there

 

1013

00:29:11,783 --> 00:29:12,817

to the to the clients.

 

1014

00:29:12,817 --> 00:29:13,718

And it's a disservice.

 

1015

00:29:13,718 --> 00:29:15,019

And I wonder how many people

 

1016

00:29:15,019 --> 00:29:17,355

would actually choose those floors.

 

1017

00:29:17,355 --> 00:29:18,456

We go in a store and see,

 

1018

00:29:18,456 --> 00:29:19,524

I want that floor.

 

1019

00:29:19,524 --> 00:29:21,092

If they knew

 

1020

00:29:21,092 --> 00:29:22,660

really what is out there

 

1021

00:29:22,660 --> 00:29:24,162

about this, these floors.

 

1022

00:29:24,162 --> 00:29:26,197

All one person has to do

 

1023

00:29:26,197 --> 00:29:27,832

is what I did

 

1024

00:29:27,832 --> 00:29:30,201

or getting ready for the show.

 

1025

00:29:30,201 --> 00:29:33,304

I googled issues with lvp floor.

 

1026

00:29:33,738 --> 00:29:34,506

I just googled it.

 

1027

00:29:35,673 --> 00:29:37,308

There are hundreds

 

1028

00:29:37,308 --> 00:29:38,943

and hundreds

 

1029

00:29:38,943 --> 00:29:41,279

in there from all sorts of different

 

1030

00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,414

you know, it would be one thing

 

1031

00:29:43,414 --> 00:29:45,049

if we, you know, we read this story,

 

1032

00:29:45,049 --> 00:29:46,184

oh, it's from the National Wood

 

1033

00:29:46,184 --> 00:29:46,885

Floors, right?

 

1034

00:29:46,885 --> 00:29:48,153

If a homeowner said,

 

1035

00:29:48,153 --> 00:29:49,320

oh, well, yeah,

 

1036

00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:49,587

you know,

 

1037

00:29:49,587 --> 00:29:50,255

that story is from

 

1038

00:29:50,255 --> 00:29:52,290

the National Wood Floor Association.

 

1039

00:29:52,290 --> 00:29:52,891

You know where I got

 

1040

00:29:52,891 --> 00:29:54,225

a lot of today's stuff.

 

1041

00:29:54,225 --> 00:29:56,227

Hmm. Web, m.d.

 

1042

00:29:56,761 --> 00:29:57,662

Wow.

 

1043

00:29:58,163 --> 00:30:00,198

Web was talking about

 

1044

00:30:00,198 --> 00:30:02,233

how bad this stuff is for you.

 

1045

00:30:02,233 --> 00:30:04,235

Well, let me ask you this.

 

1046

00:30:04,235 --> 00:30:06,204

So some people will say to yourself,

 

1047

00:30:06,204 --> 00:30:07,038

all right, well,

 

1048

00:30:07,038 --> 00:30:07,405

you know,

 

1049

00:30:07,405 --> 00:30:08,807

we're young, it's our starter home.

 

1050

00:30:08,807 --> 00:30:10,809

So, you know, let me ask you,

 

1051

00:30:10,809 --> 00:30:11,576

how long did you live in

 

1052

00:30:11,576 --> 00:30:13,011

your starter home?

 

1053

00:30:13,144 --> 00:30:13,845

My starter.

 

1054

00:30:13,845 --> 00:30:15,547

I'm still living in my starter home.

 

1055

00:30:15,547 --> 00:30:17,782

Actually, I lived in mine for 30 years.

 

1056

00:30:17,782 --> 00:30:18,616

Yeah, it is.

 

1057

00:30:18,616 --> 00:30:19,617

My my

 

1058

00:30:19,617 --> 00:30:20,552

my starter home

 

1059

00:30:20,552 --> 00:30:22,153

is now our retirement castle.

 

1060

00:30:22,153 --> 00:30:23,822

Yeah. Yes, yes.

 

1061

00:30:23,822 --> 00:30:26,057

So some people say,

 

1062

00:30:26,057 --> 00:30:28,359

oh, hardwood floors is too expensive.

 

1063

00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:29,627

Look at the real cost

 

1064

00:30:29,627 --> 00:30:31,563

and it'll be pennies a day

 

1065

00:30:31,563 --> 00:30:33,231

versus that type of product.

 

1066

00:30:33,231 --> 00:30:33,898

And the house

 

1067

00:30:33,898 --> 00:30:36,401

that was built in the fifties.

 

1068

00:30:36,401 --> 00:30:37,235

Wow.

 

1069

00:30:37,735 --> 00:30:40,438

My house was built back in the fifties.

 

1070

00:30:40,438 --> 00:30:43,341

I've, I sanded it. Um,

 

1071

00:30:45,176 --> 00:30:45,910

I've sanded

 

1072

00:30:45,910 --> 00:30:48,646

it twice and I've been here for 30 years.

 

1073

00:30:48,980 --> 00:30:49,881

Wow.

 

1074

00:30:49,881 --> 00:30:52,250

Close to 30 years I've been here.

 

1075

00:30:52,250 --> 00:30:53,551

That's amazing.

 

1076

00:30:53,852 --> 00:30:55,420

You know, it's amazing to one day

 

1077

00:30:55,420 --> 00:30:55,787

I told

 

1078

00:30:55,787 --> 00:30:57,121

bum I go measures

 

1079

00:30:57,121 --> 00:30:57,822

measure the board

 

1080

00:30:57,822 --> 00:31:00,592

he we were talking about my floors right

 

1081

00:31:00,592 --> 00:31:03,628

it's it's clear clear

 

1082

00:31:03,995 --> 00:31:04,762

red oak it wouldn't

 

1083

00:31:04,762 --> 00:31:07,498

be considered select it's clear right.

 

1084

00:31:08,867 --> 00:31:10,969

So we were talking about it one day and

 

1085

00:31:10,969 --> 00:31:13,104

I said, you want to take a laugh?

 

1086

00:31:13,104 --> 00:31:15,607

I go measure some of the board lengths.

 

1087

00:31:15,607 --> 00:31:16,507

Yeah.

 

1088

00:31:17,041 --> 00:31:17,942

12 feet.

 

1089

00:31:17,942 --> 00:31:20,678

12, 14, some of the length of the room.

 

1090

00:31:21,846 --> 00:31:23,448

Then he really started looking around

 

1091

00:31:23,448 --> 00:31:24,282

and then he was looser.

 

1092

00:31:24,282 --> 00:31:26,251

He's like, There's no but joints.

 

1093

00:31:26,251 --> 00:31:27,285

I go, It's crazy. Is it?

 

1094

00:31:27,285 --> 00:31:29,020

Yeah, yeah. Crazy.

 

1095

00:31:29,020 --> 00:31:30,722

How long the boards are here.

 

1096

00:31:30,722 --> 00:31:31,789

Uh huh.

 

1097

00:31:31,890 --> 00:31:33,758

Now, if it was built in the fifties,

 

1098

00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:35,727

you know, I'm looking at

 

1099

00:31:35,727 --> 00:31:37,262

floors that are 70

 

1100

00:31:37,262 --> 00:31:40,231

something years old right now that are in

 

1101

00:31:41,199 --> 00:31:43,601

absolute mint condition.

 

1102

00:31:43,601 --> 00:31:45,470

Oh, I mean, how many times

 

1103

00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:46,771

have you seen it?

 

1104

00:31:46,771 --> 00:31:47,672

Yeah,

 

1105

00:31:48,006 --> 00:31:48,606

how many times

 

1106

00:31:48,606 --> 00:31:50,642

have you seen floors that that are,

 

1107

00:31:50,642 --> 00:31:52,010

you know, 70, 80 years old

 

1108

00:31:52,010 --> 00:31:52,744

when you saying we look

 

1109

00:31:52,744 --> 00:31:54,612

better than the day they were put in.

 

1110

00:31:54,612 --> 00:31:57,081

Right. How many?

 

1111

00:31:57,181 --> 00:31:58,883

Most of them. Yeah.

 

1112

00:31:58,883 --> 00:32:01,286

So now talking.

 

1113

00:32:01,352 --> 00:32:02,687

Here's another one.

 

1114

00:32:02,687 --> 00:32:03,154

Okay.

 

1115

00:32:03,154 --> 00:32:05,523

My seven year old floors,

 

1116

00:32:05,523 --> 00:32:06,524

Rebecca moved out.

 

1117

00:32:06,524 --> 00:32:08,660

Pauline goes, Jesus, turn her.

 

1118

00:32:08,660 --> 00:32:10,962

Let's turn her bedroom into my office.

 

1119

00:32:11,429 --> 00:32:14,299

You know, can you do weight floors?

 

1120

00:32:14,299 --> 00:32:15,566

I said I would look it.

 

1121

00:32:15,566 --> 00:32:16,734

Of course I can do white floors.

 

1122

00:32:16,734 --> 00:32:18,336

I'm I'm Rob Johnson.

 

1123

00:32:18,336 --> 00:32:20,405

Absolutely. I'm Rob freakin Johnson.

 

1124

00:32:20,705 --> 00:32:21,439

Yeah.

 

1125

00:32:21,506 --> 00:32:22,040

Three coats

 

1126

00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,809

and Nordic seal on 70 year old floors.

 

1127

00:32:25,443 --> 00:32:27,979

Looks like a brand new floor stand.

 

1128

00:32:27,979 --> 00:32:28,446

And it

 

1129

00:32:28,446 --> 00:32:29,580

three coats and Nordic

 

1130

00:32:29,580 --> 00:32:31,516

couple coats to traffic.

 

1131

00:32:31,516 --> 00:32:32,583

Beautiful.

 

1132

00:32:32,583 --> 00:32:33,251

Yeah.

 

1133

00:32:33,251 --> 00:32:34,419

You like the gray stains

 

1134

00:32:34,419 --> 00:32:35,486

that are in right now?

 

1135

00:32:35,486 --> 00:32:36,821

You could do a gray stain change.

 

1136

00:32:36,821 --> 00:32:38,856

Turn your phone to a gray stain floor.

 

1137

00:32:38,856 --> 00:32:40,024

You're sick of the red.

 

1138

00:32:40,024 --> 00:32:40,558

Watch.

 

1139

00:32:40,558 --> 00:32:41,726

What's this, Rob?

 

1140

00:32:41,726 --> 00:32:43,995

You. You like to wait?

 

1141

00:32:44,362 --> 00:32:45,196

The floors are out there.

 

1142

00:32:45,196 --> 00:32:46,698

You're sick of the red oak.

 

1143

00:32:46,698 --> 00:32:48,967

Look, you've got your floor on a red out.

 

1144

00:32:48,967 --> 00:32:50,001

You can get rid of the red.

 

1145

00:32:51,069 --> 00:32:51,602

All right.

 

1146

00:32:51,602 --> 00:32:52,937

There's a good place to end it.

 

1147

00:32:52,937 --> 00:32:53,972

There you go.

 

1148

00:32:53,972 --> 00:32:55,273

So this has been another episode

 

1149

00:32:55,273 --> 00:32:57,508

of On the Floor with Wayne and Rob Lee.

 

1150

00:32:57,508 --> 00:32:59,310

Stay tuned for another episode.

 

1151

00:32:59,310 --> 00:33:06,718

Oh.