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Hello and welcome to
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another episode of On the Floor
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with Wayne to Rob.
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I'm Wayne Highlander, National Sales
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Manager for Bona Adhesives.
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And I'm Rob Johnson from Bona Training.
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All right.
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Now, if you just looked
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at the title of this episode
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and saw the word sub floors,
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you might be thinking to yourself,
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those schmucks just did one on subfloor
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not too long ago.
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I'm not going to listen this.
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And how exciting is sub floors anyhow?
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Well, got some news for you.
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I just saw something that came out
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from a study
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from the results of from Virginia Tech
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that super interesting.
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And I think good to know for you.
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For you is when you're having contractors
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with general client
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or excuse me, conversations
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with general contractors.
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This is some interesting stuff.
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When I saw this,
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I went, I'll be darned, man.
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This is pretty interesting.
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So I'm just going to throw out
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some random stuff
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that that I took from this episode
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that I that I from from the study.
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And this was Dr.
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Lowe first case study on OSB
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and plywood for wood
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flooring professionals.
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One thing
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that came out of this test,
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this test, this
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study is, Rob,
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I'm going to ask you
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what you think here is might surprise
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some people.
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What holds better
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enigmatic stay for
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a pneumatic
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click gun
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or manual click gun
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but also floor is better.
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Manual stapler.
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Manual cli no, I
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am
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I would say manual nailer.
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Manual cleat.
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Manual.
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Kneeling with machine
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driven cleats as opposed to
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pneumatic stapling
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is more consistently strong.
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Absolutely.
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So okay.
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So and
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I'm going to give you why
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I think that I beat them right, too.
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Okay.
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When you pop your gun.
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Right. The pneumatic one.
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Mm hmm.
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I always saw it.
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I think that it
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almost kind of popped away, right?
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Mm hmm.
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Like it would move away from the board.
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I think
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when you're doing
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your hit with the manual nailer
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there was no deflection to the gun.
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It was gun and nail into the wood
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where I think we were news pneumatic.
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You hit it shoots the nail in.
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But the gun has a little
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bit of a blowback
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almost like a kick, right?
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A kick to a gun there.
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Almost as like the kick.
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But I think we're using
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we're using a
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manual.
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We're not getting that kick.
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Not getting that deflection.
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That would be my guess.
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That is super interesting
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and wrong.
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So you just let me go and going
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to go and go.
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Look, it's not.
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Fair for the last 2 minutes
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while I've been mumbling around
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trying to get that one out.
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You just couldn't wait.
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Yeah.
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Now, your or your career, buddy.
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But look, it's not fair.
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I've got this study in front of me, so.
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There you go. So why?
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Pneumatic driven
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fasteners often
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leave damaged tongues with negligible
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holding power.
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And just when the study there's a
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there's a fancy machine, they have
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that will what will do this testing on
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how old how well the fasteners hold.
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And by far the
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the the hand driven the manual Naylor's
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excuse me tested the best.
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So they didn't say why.
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Look, I skimmed this things like 16
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pages long.
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I just told you why.
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I bet them, right?
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No, no, no damage.
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Tongues.
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No, no.
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I happen to agree with you right there.
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I think some.
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So not all tongues are damaged.
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Some of them are.
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Well, you know yourself,
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if anybody's ever on an OSB subfloor,
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if you've pulled out a floor with
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with staples in it on OSB,
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they to me,
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they definitely hold way
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better than cleats do
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on OSB.
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I'll get into that a
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little bit later, too.
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But another thing
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that came out of this test
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after similar cycles
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excuse me, when inch
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when installed flaws
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have been
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cycled through a low
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to high to low moisture, content,
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flooring tends
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to return to the original position
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with plywood subfloor.
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So I'll say that again.
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When installed flaws
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have been cycled through a low
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to high to low moisture, content
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flooring tends
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to return to the original position
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with plywood sub floors.
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After similar cycles, flooring tends
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to remain out original position with OSB.
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So so
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a more permanent gaps can be expected.
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Okay. That makes sense.
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We've always,
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always said that they don't handle
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the seasonal cycles as well.
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OSB as it is. Plywood does.
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Okay. Okay. Now. Now,
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Staples have the highest
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holding power,
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but are inconsistent due to damage tanks.
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That's another finding.
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Okay.
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The statistics indicate
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the faster holding strength
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between staples in mills
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through two or three moisture cycles
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narrow significantly
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and shows little difference
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now.
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But here's what I here's
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what I got out of this the most.
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Okay.
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And that is
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protection of subfloor materials
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from weather
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before installation of oak strip flooring
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result in significantly
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greater floor quality.
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Then in protect,
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then then if protection is not afforded.
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So
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you know, you can't help.
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You know, a lot of times
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the builder can't help build in the house
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and it's it's open to the elements.
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And we've all drove by those jobs,
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seeing the water is raining down on him
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some floors, all kinds of stuff
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so they've the study shows
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the protection
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of subfloor materials from weather
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before installation of extra
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flooring result in significantly
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greater floor quality
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than if protection is not afforded
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the lack of protection
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of sub floors from weathering
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before the installation invoke flooring
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significantly reduces floor quality.
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This research was initiated by NAMA.
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What that tells me
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is nail glue.
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This has never,
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never, never been more important.
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Of course, it's an end
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guideline now, five inches and over.
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But gosh, it just
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how would you not anymore.
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Look, I said it before
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he had always be so far us
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it don't handle the seasonal cycles
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very well
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you've got a lot of times
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you've got thinner chunks
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and these little thin gauge
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nails or staples
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that don't really hold the floors
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very well.
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You've got wider plank that.
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So you have less,
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less fasteners
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per square foot in the flooring
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and you've got more expensive
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flooring by a landslide.
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You've got customers
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that are more demanding.
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Sometimes you have joy center
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further apart.
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It's a recipe for
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popping in squeaking floors.
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So I think this
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I mean, we've said it all along,
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but this test right here to me,
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I mean, if you bring this to your your
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your your your your builders,
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some don't care.
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We know that lives in the real world.
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But say listen, man, here's why.
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Here's why we do what we do.
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And I'll tell you,
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there's never been a case
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better case for 544 for voice
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protection in the floors
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and also the marriage
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between them and the and
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the the the adhesive is
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a must
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and can protect you in
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all kinds of situations.
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So like I said,
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if the homeowner
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builder wants to know why,
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why are you putting this in the bid?
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Well,
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the study is a pretty interesting study
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and really just lays it out.
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I've seen this.
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I've seen this personally.
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The study.
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No, no.
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This is what we're talking about.
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Holding power, subfloor, all that.
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Okay.
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My brother built a house.
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It was a high end house.
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And the builder he used,
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you know,
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my brother said to the guy,
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hey, don't worry,
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my brother's a floor guy.
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He'll take care of the hardwood floors.
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And the guy said, Well, no, okay,
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it's in our contract.
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We do the floors,
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you know,
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and he
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went around and around and ended up in
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I went
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I was not going to be able
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to do the floors in my brother's house.
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Like I said, it was a high end home.
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The whole deal.
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My brother goes away on vacation
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when the guys are going
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to install the floor.
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He asked his father in law.
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But which one of the greatest guys
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you ever met?
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Although Italian guy, it was a crack up.
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Okay, Mr. Pardo.
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He passed away.
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But, man, what an awesome guy
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this guy was.
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I got a call from Mr.
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Pardo one day
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while my brother's on vacation.
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My brother gave.
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He called my brother.
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My brother gave me a call.
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Rabie, Mr.
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Parker calls me and he goes.
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The guys left yesterday,
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and I went in to
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look at what they were doing,
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and I could pull
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a board out with my hand.
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Should I be able to pull
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board out with my hand?
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Probably not.
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At all.
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Like, no, no, never.
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Right.
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I mean, I
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there was no way that I thought he was
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talking about a staple
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that was right pretty close to my house.
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I drive over and I could not believe
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what we were doing.
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I mean, we were just literally
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pulling the boards out.
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They had stapled it in.
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It was OSB, they stapled it in.
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But it's exactly what happened,
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what you were saying,
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tons and tons of water on that deck.
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They weren't real flooring guys.
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They were
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guys that they did everything
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carpet tiles, ceramic,
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you know, the whole gambit.
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So these guys are just kind
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of slapping the floors in
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and they were holding
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just enough to kind of stay tight, but
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you can kind of wiggle them out.
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I was I never saw anything like it.
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I was shocked, you know.
348
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So
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I told old man Pardo, I go
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and I think they should stop.
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I think they get to start
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tearing this stuff back out.
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I mean, they had a couple of rooms down
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and in some parts of the house,
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it was much worse
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than other parts of the house.
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But my brother came back.
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I mean, they just put everything on hold.
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Even the builder finally came over
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and he goes, Yeah,
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you know, this
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probably isn't right and everything.
363
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But
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I was wondering
365
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how many of the houses
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in that development
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that it happened to
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because it was a big development,
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same type of thing,
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the same guys doing the same thing
371
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over and over and over.
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And if my brother didn't
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have his father in law, their kind,
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leave it to a nice little Italian guy
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to bend over
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and see if he can yank a board out.
377
00:11:52,011 --> 00:11:52,712
Right.
378
00:11:52,778 --> 00:11:53,846
Well, here's
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the problem with that,
380
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is that when this callback comes
381
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from the homeowner,
382
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what they see is a hardwood floor
383
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that's squeaking
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all all fingers are pointing at him.
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00:12:03,889 --> 00:12:04,457
The builder's
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not going to want to help them out.
387
00:12:05,925 --> 00:12:06,459
You're right.
388
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I mean, you accept it
389
00:12:07,426 --> 00:12:08,761
when you laid on it.
390
00:12:08,761 --> 00:12:10,796
So all eyes are on the floor, guy.
391
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And these are things that happened
392
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way before
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he got to the job
394
00:12:14,934 --> 00:12:17,436
site was completely out of his control.
395
00:12:18,270 --> 00:12:20,639
So I always look at the liability
396
00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:24,543
for the floor guy and I think that, man,
397
00:12:24,977 --> 00:12:25,745
it just
398
00:12:25,878 --> 00:12:28,447
can't be a better case for having to nail
399
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glue assist and
400
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I can't imagine
401
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leaving that out of the equation anymore.
402
00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:36,589
Like I said, you know,
403
00:12:36,589 --> 00:12:37,089
these floors
404
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don't cost $3.50 a square foot anymore.
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00:12:39,692 --> 00:12:41,060
I mean, there's
406
00:12:41,060 --> 00:12:42,161
that's a lot of liability
407
00:12:42,161 --> 00:12:43,562
sitting on that floor.
408
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And it's a conversation
409
00:12:45,431 --> 00:12:47,066
I don't want to ever have to have.
410
00:12:47,066 --> 00:12:48,434
So I think that,
411
00:12:49,835 --> 00:12:52,204
you know, putting it into bed for people,
412
00:12:52,204 --> 00:12:53,906
for guys to say, well, I feel bad
413
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or maybe they don't want to pay for it
414
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or whatever.
415
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I mean,
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it's for your protection
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as much as theirs.
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So
419
00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:02,281
and actually if you look at
420
00:13:02,281 --> 00:13:03,649
what a nail goose's cost
421
00:13:03,649 --> 00:13:06,352
with our sausages is pretty inexpensive.
422
00:13:07,052 --> 00:13:08,354
I mean, I know people would say,
423
00:13:08,354 --> 00:13:09,421
well, it's easy for you to say,
424
00:13:09,421 --> 00:13:10,923
I totally get that.
425
00:13:10,923 --> 00:13:11,557
But I mean,
426
00:13:11,557 --> 00:13:12,558
if you look at the cost
427
00:13:12,558 --> 00:13:15,528
of what it costs you on a job to do that
428
00:13:15,861 --> 00:13:19,431
versus the cost of a callback.
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00:13:19,431 --> 00:13:20,900
And if you're going to do a nail
430
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gloss, this,
431
00:13:21,367 --> 00:13:22,201
I think
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is probably
433
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one of the most affordable ways
434
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you can do it.
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And
436
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with a silent adhesive, I, you know,
437
00:13:31,076 --> 00:13:33,179
if it does get on a refinished floor
438
00:13:33,179 --> 00:13:35,147
is the super easy to clean back off.
439
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It won't etch the finish
440
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even two or three days later.
441
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So I don't know.
442
00:13:39,151 --> 00:13:39,985
I saw the report
443
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and I thought, dammit,
444
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we've been saying this for years
445
00:13:42,688 --> 00:13:43,022
and years.
446
00:13:43,022 --> 00:13:44,523
But now to see it in writing from
447
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from a study from Virginia
448
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Tech is Virginia Tech
449
00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,095
and Virginia Beach, Virginia Tech.
450
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I'm going to look at you.
451
00:13:51,130 --> 00:13:52,398
Said Virginia Tech.
452
00:13:52,398 --> 00:13:53,165
I think so.
453
00:13:53,165 --> 00:13:56,235
I'll look at one more time.
454
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We serve our tech.
455
00:14:00,239 --> 00:14:00,873
Yep.
456
00:14:01,340 --> 00:14:04,143
So did they have any
457
00:14:04,143 --> 00:14:06,979
solid recommendations?
458
00:14:06,979 --> 00:14:09,315
Plywood over OSB?
459
00:14:09,315 --> 00:14:10,583
Well, if you look at the test.
460
00:14:10,583 --> 00:14:11,483
Plywood.
461
00:14:11,483 --> 00:14:13,986
It what what scores higher is plywood.
462
00:14:13,986 --> 00:14:15,821
But again, for
463
00:14:15,821 --> 00:14:17,223
for flooring professionals,
464
00:14:17,223 --> 00:14:18,424
we don't get that choice.
465
00:14:18,424 --> 00:14:19,558
I mean, when do you get that choice
466
00:14:19,558 --> 00:14:21,594
to say the tell the home of the builder
467
00:14:21,594 --> 00:14:22,394
or a homeowner?
468
00:14:22,394 --> 00:14:22,795
Oh, no.
469
00:14:22,795 --> 00:14:23,162
We want
470
00:14:23,162 --> 00:14:25,231
we want you to put down plywood first.
471
00:14:25,231 --> 00:14:25,865
We're out of that.
472
00:14:25,865 --> 00:14:27,032
We're out of the equation.
473
00:14:27,032 --> 00:14:29,068
We don't we're not in that conversation.
474
00:14:29,068 --> 00:14:31,170
We can educate the builders what we want,
475
00:14:31,170 --> 00:14:32,972
and we probably won't get it.
476
00:14:32,972 --> 00:14:34,740
But in the end,
477
00:14:34,740 --> 00:14:35,708
the homeowner is paying
478
00:14:35,708 --> 00:14:37,076
for a very expensive product
479
00:14:37,076 --> 00:14:37,977
and they want what's right.
480
00:14:37,977 --> 00:14:39,311
And they don't want to have
481
00:14:39,311 --> 00:14:41,714
they want to spend $60,000 for a floor
482
00:14:41,714 --> 00:14:42,648
and walk across the floor.
483
00:14:42,648 --> 00:14:44,250
And it sounds like Rice Krispies.
484
00:14:44,250 --> 00:14:45,317
All right.
485
00:14:45,317 --> 00:14:48,320
So just like in my brother's case,
486
00:14:48,654 --> 00:14:49,855
I'm almost positive
487
00:14:49,855 --> 00:14:50,823
they had used plywood.
488
00:14:50,823 --> 00:14:52,024
Even if it got that wet,
489
00:14:52,992 --> 00:14:54,360
they wouldn't have had that issue.
490
00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:55,861
Yeah. Yeah.
491
00:14:55,861 --> 00:14:57,630
And, you know, I mean, look,
492
00:14:57,630 --> 00:14:58,297
they're sitting out there
493
00:14:58,297 --> 00:15:00,733
for weeks on end in all kinds of weather
494
00:15:00,733 --> 00:15:02,735
and what have you just stands to reason.
495
00:15:02,735 --> 00:15:03,469
It just,
496
00:15:03,502 --> 00:15:04,336
you know, it's unhealthy
497
00:15:04,336 --> 00:15:05,871
in an unhealthy environment
498
00:15:05,871 --> 00:15:08,908
to put a floor unless you're putting down
499
00:15:08,908 --> 00:15:10,576
540 using an elbow,
500
00:15:10,576 --> 00:15:11,410
checking the moisture
501
00:15:11,410 --> 00:15:12,611
in those type of things.
502
00:15:12,611 --> 00:15:13,345
So
503
00:15:14,146 --> 00:15:15,014
how did they have
504
00:15:15,014 --> 00:15:16,348
any clear recommendation
505
00:15:16,348 --> 00:15:17,650
on nails or staples?
506
00:15:17,650 --> 00:15:18,884
They they
507
00:15:18,884 --> 00:15:19,752
I don't think the test
508
00:15:19,752 --> 00:15:22,021
was there to give a clear recommendation
509
00:15:22,021 --> 00:15:22,755
on that,
510
00:15:22,755 --> 00:15:23,889
that the study is just
511
00:15:23,889 --> 00:15:25,724
what their findings were.
512
00:15:25,724 --> 00:15:26,725
I mean, you know, okay.
513
00:15:26,725 --> 00:15:28,127
So if you look at the findings
514
00:15:28,127 --> 00:15:29,662
manual, NAYLOR is the best.
515
00:15:29,662 --> 00:15:30,562
You're going to talk to your crew
516
00:15:30,562 --> 00:15:31,063
and they're going out
517
00:15:31,063 --> 00:15:35,167
and use a manual nailing tomorrow.
518
00:15:35,167 --> 00:15:35,868
You know what?
519
00:15:35,868 --> 00:15:36,635
They're still guys.
520
00:15:36,635 --> 00:15:37,469
There's still some guys
521
00:15:37,469 --> 00:15:40,339
that do every day.
522
00:15:40,339 --> 00:15:41,640
They're a minority, for sure.
523
00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,509
But there's some guys that absolutely do.
524
00:15:43,509 --> 00:15:45,110
But, you know,
525
00:15:45,110 --> 00:15:47,446
what is it, 5% of the industry or less?
526
00:15:47,446 --> 00:15:48,347
Probably
527
00:15:48,547 --> 00:15:51,450
so now you know what you're up against.
528
00:15:51,750 --> 00:15:53,752
And education is key.
529
00:15:53,752 --> 00:15:54,353
You know,
530
00:15:54,553 --> 00:15:55,988
being educated and knowing
531
00:15:55,988 --> 00:15:57,056
knowing what you're up against,
532
00:15:57,056 --> 00:16:00,092
I think is is the key.
533
00:16:00,392 --> 00:16:01,060
But not to be able
534
00:16:01,060 --> 00:16:02,861
to tell the builder, hey,
535
00:16:02,861 --> 00:16:05,364
this is from from the study.
536
00:16:06,031 --> 00:16:06,799
I should I should
537
00:16:06,799 --> 00:16:07,266
I should try
538
00:16:07,266 --> 00:16:08,500
and get that out to everybody
539
00:16:08,500 --> 00:16:09,034
and figure out
540
00:16:09,034 --> 00:16:10,669
how I can get that, that study out.
541
00:16:10,669 --> 00:16:12,738
So I'll work on that.
542
00:16:12,738 --> 00:16:14,139
So, buddy, good to see you again.
543
00:16:14,139 --> 00:16:17,409
How was your weekend?
544
00:16:17,409 --> 00:16:19,611
I got two great days of fishing in Rob
545
00:16:20,212 --> 00:16:22,614
and yeah, that's unusual.
546
00:16:23,015 --> 00:16:24,516
Mostly I'll get like one day
547
00:16:24,516 --> 00:16:25,651
if I get to go on a weekend
548
00:16:25,651 --> 00:16:26,418
at all, it's one day,
549
00:16:26,418 --> 00:16:29,421
but I went two days and I'll tell you,
550
00:16:30,589 --> 00:16:31,724
there's a river there.
551
00:16:31,724 --> 00:16:32,024
That's
552
00:16:32,024 --> 00:16:32,624
a wild,
553
00:16:32,624 --> 00:16:33,926
wild river here in East
554
00:16:33,926 --> 00:16:35,761
Tennessee called the Clinch River.
555
00:16:35,761 --> 00:16:39,631
And the upper parts of it, it is
556
00:16:39,999 --> 00:16:41,500
it's no place for
557
00:16:41,500 --> 00:16:44,103
for the week of mind.
558
00:16:45,270 --> 00:16:46,438
We have mind.
559
00:16:46,438 --> 00:16:48,440
We give heart and mind week after.
560
00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,476
Week we have minor heart.
561
00:16:50,476 --> 00:16:52,978
But to get down there,
562
00:16:52,978 --> 00:16:55,447
you can in this one stretch of the river,
563
00:16:56,482 --> 00:16:58,650
the guy that I that I go fishing with is
564
00:16:59,618 --> 00:17:01,553
it is on a thousand acres
565
00:17:01,553 --> 00:17:02,688
and you'll never
566
00:17:02,688 --> 00:17:03,956
see this part of the river
567
00:17:03,956 --> 00:17:05,524
unless you like you.
568
00:17:05,524 --> 00:17:06,859
Someone can let you in there
569
00:17:06,859 --> 00:17:08,293
because it's like steep canyons
570
00:17:08,293 --> 00:17:09,495
you get down there.
571
00:17:09,495 --> 00:17:10,129
So really is
572
00:17:10,129 --> 00:17:11,397
only one of the guide company.
573
00:17:11,397 --> 00:17:13,365
He lets the fish down in that area
574
00:17:13,365 --> 00:17:16,468
and and this guy that I go with and,
575
00:17:17,102 --> 00:17:17,803
but I've never fish
576
00:17:17,803 --> 00:17:18,737
as far as the river before.
577
00:17:18,737 --> 00:17:20,572
So it's very rugged,
578
00:17:20,572 --> 00:17:21,840
like super, super
579
00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,476
rugged to get down there and fish. And
580
00:17:26,278 --> 00:17:26,645
I probably
581
00:17:26,645 --> 00:17:29,114
got about 40 smallmouth bass
582
00:17:29,848 --> 00:17:30,783
fantastic there.
583
00:17:30,783 --> 00:17:33,419
So to go to bald eagles,
584
00:17:34,586 --> 00:17:36,055
wild turkeys
585
00:17:36,055 --> 00:17:37,189
across the river in front of me
586
00:17:37,189 --> 00:17:38,991
fool cross bench a deer.
587
00:17:38,991 --> 00:17:41,460
And it's like heaven is like having
588
00:17:41,860 --> 00:17:42,995
a river to yourself
589
00:17:42,995 --> 00:17:45,264
that nobody else sees or touches.
590
00:17:45,264 --> 00:17:47,399
And when do you ever get that?
591
00:17:47,399 --> 00:17:48,100
And
592
00:17:49,802 --> 00:17:51,103
but I'm in the float, too.
593
00:17:51,103 --> 00:17:52,371
He's in a canoe
594
00:17:52,371 --> 00:17:52,871
and he goes,
595
00:17:52,871 --> 00:17:54,039
I don't know if you really want to fish.
596
00:17:54,039 --> 00:17:55,507
I don't know this thing over anywhere
597
00:17:55,507 --> 00:17:57,509
in six inches of water.
598
00:17:57,976 --> 00:18:00,879
I can't believe it survived the trip
599
00:18:00,879 --> 00:18:01,447
because I'm
600
00:18:01,447 --> 00:18:03,182
going through rapids really quick
601
00:18:03,182 --> 00:18:04,249
and I'm like
602
00:18:05,317 --> 00:18:06,385
bottoming out.
603
00:18:06,385 --> 00:18:07,052
I mean.
604
00:18:07,052 --> 00:18:08,120
I mean, is crazy.
605
00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:10,522
I'm going to get scraping hands.
606
00:18:10,823 --> 00:18:12,691
I just waiting for the pop any minute.
607
00:18:12,691 --> 00:18:14,660
Oh, yeah, I can't.
608
00:18:14,660 --> 00:18:15,360
And it was like,
609
00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:15,727
you know, once
610
00:18:15,727 --> 00:18:16,261
you commit
611
00:18:16,261 --> 00:18:17,629
once you commit to a fishing trip
612
00:18:17,629 --> 00:18:18,597
like that,
613
00:18:18,931 --> 00:18:20,165
it's like 6 hours
614
00:18:20,165 --> 00:18:21,900
before you can pull out anywhere.
615
00:18:21,900 --> 00:18:22,868
So if something happens,
616
00:18:22,868 --> 00:18:23,836
that's the only bad part
617
00:18:23,836 --> 00:18:24,903
about these trips.
618
00:18:24,903 --> 00:18:26,905
I guess most time I go by myself.
619
00:18:26,905 --> 00:18:28,740
If something happens,
620
00:18:28,740 --> 00:18:30,976
you're you're like, there's nobody.
621
00:18:31,143 --> 00:18:32,644
You're never gonna see anybody.
622
00:18:32,644 --> 00:18:33,579
I don't know when you what
623
00:18:33,579 --> 00:18:34,980
you would do to get out of there.
624
00:18:34,980 --> 00:18:35,581
And God knows
625
00:18:35,581 --> 00:18:36,615
I got no sense of direction
626
00:18:36,615 --> 00:18:37,783
if I started climbing mountains
627
00:18:37,783 --> 00:18:40,018
to get out of this place.
628
00:18:40,018 --> 00:18:42,721
So but man, it was awesome.
629
00:18:42,721 --> 00:18:43,188
It was great.
630
00:18:43,188 --> 00:18:45,324
And the second day I went to a lake
631
00:18:45,324 --> 00:18:47,559
and caught a bunch of fish that day.
632
00:18:47,559 --> 00:18:49,194
So it's been a really good fishing
633
00:18:49,194 --> 00:18:49,928
weekend for me
634
00:18:51,163 --> 00:18:51,597
that.
635
00:18:51,830 --> 00:18:53,866
That that's reminded me of a movie
636
00:18:53,999 --> 00:18:55,868
with Deliverance.
637
00:18:55,868 --> 00:18:56,468
Yeah.
638
00:18:56,535 --> 00:18:58,770
Your river story sounds like Deliverance.
639
00:18:58,770 --> 00:18:59,104
It's.
640
00:18:59,104 --> 00:18:59,671
It's it's
641
00:18:59,671 --> 00:19:01,540
maybe Chris will play some
642
00:19:01,540 --> 00:19:02,908
some dueling banjo
643
00:19:02,908 --> 00:19:05,277
when you're telling that that story.
644
00:19:05,277 --> 00:19:06,912
I think that's the way to go.
645
00:19:06,912 --> 00:19:08,213
You ever see that movie?
646
00:19:08,213 --> 00:19:09,715
Oh, of course. Yeah.
647
00:19:09,715 --> 00:19:10,682
What's the data, Burt?
648
00:19:10,682 --> 00:19:12,618
Burt Reynolds or.
649
00:19:12,618 --> 00:19:14,319
Reynolds? Yeah. Yeah.
650
00:19:14,319 --> 00:19:15,988
Rapids like that.
651
00:19:15,988 --> 00:19:17,022
Oh, big time.
652
00:19:17,022 --> 00:19:18,690
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
653
00:19:18,690 --> 00:19:21,059
And you hear you hear like
654
00:19:21,059 --> 00:19:22,127
way down there, you're like,
655
00:19:22,127 --> 00:19:24,363
Oh, then what's around me?
656
00:19:24,363 --> 00:19:25,564
Oh, what's coming?
657
00:19:25,564 --> 00:19:28,500
Yeah, it's like a canyon down there,
658
00:19:28,500 --> 00:19:31,537
but, yeah, there's a lot of fun.
659
00:19:31,537 --> 00:19:32,070
Yeah.
660
00:19:32,337 --> 00:19:33,572
So how about yourself?
661
00:19:33,572 --> 00:19:36,041
Oh, man, it was.
662
00:19:36,542 --> 00:19:37,743
It was a big weekend.
663
00:19:37,743 --> 00:19:38,310
It was a big.
664
00:19:38,310 --> 00:19:40,846
Well, it started Friday night.
665
00:19:40,846 --> 00:19:41,713
Something that I have been
666
00:19:41,713 --> 00:19:43,015
waiting for for
667
00:19:44,983 --> 00:19:47,786
since I started having grandkids.
668
00:19:47,786 --> 00:19:50,055
Two of my boys
669
00:19:50,088 --> 00:19:52,257
started playing hockey,
670
00:19:52,925 --> 00:19:54,560
got him into the league there,
671
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,728
and it's a learn to skate program.
672
00:19:57,596 --> 00:19:58,830
And
673
00:19:59,765 --> 00:20:02,434
so it's Hendrick Bum's Kit,
674
00:20:02,434 --> 00:20:06,471
Hendrick and Emily's young guy, Jack.
675
00:20:06,538 --> 00:20:07,773
So we get
676
00:20:07,806 --> 00:20:10,943
Jack to to me, he just has the perfect
677
00:20:11,643 --> 00:20:14,746
hockey player name like,
678
00:20:14,746 --> 00:20:17,015
I just know that someday
679
00:20:17,015 --> 00:20:18,817
we're going to hear Jack Chapman
680
00:20:18,817 --> 00:20:20,285
on Team USA.
681
00:20:20,285 --> 00:20:21,787
I mean, Jack Chapman's a hockey player.
682
00:20:21,787 --> 00:20:23,922
His name. Right? Pretty good. Yeah. Yeah.
683
00:20:24,189 --> 00:20:28,594
And I told Boom, I go maybe with Hendrick
684
00:20:29,461 --> 00:20:30,729
because it's kind of a
685
00:20:30,729 --> 00:20:31,196
you know,
686
00:20:31,196 --> 00:20:32,764
Hendrick is kind of a Dutch
687
00:20:32,764 --> 00:20:34,466
Norwegian type name.
688
00:20:34,466 --> 00:20:36,101
And I said, maybe with Hendrick
689
00:20:36,101 --> 00:20:38,503
we'll just spell his name
690
00:20:38,503 --> 00:20:40,606
Johnson but do so it.
691
00:20:40,739 --> 00:20:42,341
So I went to see him,
692
00:20:42,341 --> 00:20:43,141
you know, so he's
693
00:20:43,141 --> 00:20:45,510
kind of looks like Swedish.
694
00:20:45,911 --> 00:20:47,446
Swedish guitar player.
695
00:20:47,446 --> 00:20:48,981
Yeah. Yeah.
696
00:20:48,981 --> 00:20:51,750
So that was a big night last Friday night
697
00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:53,952
was your first day, first
698
00:20:54,286 --> 00:20:55,921
time on the ice. And
699
00:20:57,322 --> 00:21:00,425
I kept the Jersey Shore
700
00:21:02,494 --> 00:21:04,062
almost 30 years.
701
00:21:04,062 --> 00:21:06,932
I've been holding on to a Jersey Bond's
702
00:21:07,566 --> 00:21:10,869
first jersey that he wore at his Learn
703
00:21:10,869 --> 00:21:13,005
to skate program. No kidding.
704
00:21:13,205 --> 00:21:13,839
Yeah.
705
00:21:13,839 --> 00:21:15,073
And so,
706
00:21:15,073 --> 00:21:16,642
you know, we were playing against sports.
707
00:21:16,642 --> 00:21:17,609
We were getting the equipment
708
00:21:17,609 --> 00:21:18,810
and everything.
709
00:21:18,810 --> 00:21:19,711
And then
710
00:21:19,711 --> 00:21:21,980
before the boys hit the ice, I said
711
00:21:23,215 --> 00:21:25,217
to him and Hendrick, I go, Hey,
712
00:21:25,217 --> 00:21:27,085
I got something I want you to wear today.
713
00:21:27,085 --> 00:21:28,387
And I had a couple other jerseys
714
00:21:28,387 --> 00:21:29,488
for Jack.
715
00:21:29,554 --> 00:21:30,422
You know, small
716
00:21:30,422 --> 00:21:32,157
figures of bum used to wear.
717
00:21:32,157 --> 00:21:32,758
And I said,
718
00:21:32,758 --> 00:21:34,893
Your dad wore this 30 years ago.
719
00:21:34,893 --> 00:21:37,996
Wow. He wore this
720
00:21:37,996 --> 00:21:39,331
the same time you're wearing it
721
00:21:39,331 --> 00:21:40,832
the same league.
722
00:21:40,832 --> 00:21:42,067
You know it
723
00:21:42,067 --> 00:21:42,501
because it is
724
00:21:42,501 --> 00:21:44,870
same hockey league, Troy Academy,
725
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:47,639
Youth Hockey Association.
726
00:21:47,639 --> 00:21:50,342
And so it was it was pretty cool.
727
00:21:50,342 --> 00:21:53,578
I mean, you know, I was getting
728
00:21:54,079 --> 00:21:55,547
I was getting a little wishy washy
729
00:21:55,547 --> 00:21:56,948
seeing him out there wearing,
730
00:21:58,317 --> 00:21:59,418
you know, his dad's jersey.
731
00:21:59,418 --> 00:22:01,486
Dad's dad was 30 years ago.
732
00:22:01,486 --> 00:22:05,223
And I got to give a bell to Pauline
733
00:22:06,558 --> 00:22:08,560
because I said to her, well,
734
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:09,294
you know, we're
735
00:22:09,294 --> 00:22:10,162
I found some
736
00:22:10,162 --> 00:22:11,096
I found the jerseys,
737
00:22:11,096 --> 00:22:12,197
I don't know, years and years ago
738
00:22:12,197 --> 00:22:14,299
I found the jerseys and I said, hey,
739
00:22:14,299 --> 00:22:15,534
if a ever and, you know,
740
00:22:15,534 --> 00:22:16,668
do whatever you got to do
741
00:22:16,668 --> 00:22:19,271
to maybe preserve this jersey.
742
00:22:19,871 --> 00:22:21,540
I said, wouldn't it be cool if,
743
00:22:21,540 --> 00:22:21,907
you know,
744
00:22:21,907 --> 00:22:22,941
if mom had a boy
745
00:22:22,941 --> 00:22:24,843
and he played hockey that,
746
00:22:24,843 --> 00:22:27,012
you know, on his first day of hockey,
747
00:22:27,012 --> 00:22:29,715
he could wear his jersey, you know, and
748
00:22:30,982 --> 00:22:31,983
so it hit me, too.
749
00:22:31,983 --> 00:22:33,352
I didn't even remember it.
750
00:22:33,352 --> 00:22:35,854
And we're kind of I was out of town.
751
00:22:36,922 --> 00:22:38,056
I was flying home.
752
00:22:38,056 --> 00:22:38,724
And man,
753
00:22:38,724 --> 00:22:41,026
I did not want to miss that flight
754
00:22:41,026 --> 00:22:43,295
because it was Friday night, 530.
755
00:22:43,295 --> 00:22:44,830
So I got home around 3:00
756
00:22:44,830 --> 00:22:46,932
and then sitting in the airport
757
00:22:46,932 --> 00:22:48,033
in Atlanta and I,
758
00:22:49,234 --> 00:22:50,335
I called her
759
00:22:50,335 --> 00:22:51,770
and I said,
760
00:22:51,770 --> 00:22:52,104
Matt,
761
00:22:52,104 --> 00:22:53,071
do you remember
762
00:22:53,071 --> 00:22:54,506
when I asked you about the jersey?
763
00:22:54,506 --> 00:22:56,108
And she goes, Oh, yeah, yeah.
764
00:22:56,108 --> 00:22:57,008
I got you know what?
765
00:22:57,008 --> 00:22:58,844
She goes, Yeah, I know. Right with her.
766
00:22:58,844 --> 00:23:01,113
She sent me a picture in like 30 seconds.
767
00:23:01,113 --> 00:23:02,614
She had that jersey out.
768
00:23:02,614 --> 00:23:04,683
It was pristine.
769
00:23:04,683 --> 00:23:06,451
Perfect. Oh,
770
00:23:06,852 --> 00:23:07,185
yeah.
771
00:23:07,185 --> 00:23:09,521
So it was it was awesome.
772
00:23:09,521 --> 00:23:12,391
I mean, it was just freakin awesome.
773
00:23:12,391 --> 00:23:14,092
I couldn't have been.
774
00:23:14,092 --> 00:23:15,160
Couldn't have been happier.
775
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,229
No, it's so it was pretty cool.
776
00:23:17,662 --> 00:23:20,298
You know, I'm a hockey guy and, well,
777
00:23:20,532 --> 00:23:23,135
I see another generation out there and
778
00:23:23,502 --> 00:23:23,802
and they
779
00:23:23,802 --> 00:23:25,036
you know what the great part was?
780
00:23:25,036 --> 00:23:28,173
They they have a new way of teaching kids
781
00:23:28,173 --> 00:23:28,807
how to skate.
782
00:23:28,807 --> 00:23:30,876
You know, before it was just kind of,
783
00:23:30,876 --> 00:23:32,944
you know, kind of stand up and.
784
00:23:32,944 --> 00:23:34,513
Well, they have like these little,
785
00:23:35,714 --> 00:23:36,248
I don't know,
786
00:23:36,248 --> 00:23:36,581
kind of
787
00:23:36,581 --> 00:23:38,984
looks like a dual saw horse
788
00:23:38,984 --> 00:23:39,684
type of thing.
789
00:23:39,684 --> 00:23:41,186
So they can kind of hold on.
790
00:23:41,186 --> 00:23:43,288
And all these guys, just
791
00:23:43,288 --> 00:23:45,357
these two kids are just holding on
792
00:23:45,357 --> 00:23:46,625
as the coaches were, you know,
793
00:23:46,625 --> 00:23:47,793
bringing around the ice,
794
00:23:47,793 --> 00:23:48,960
zipping around everything
795
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,296
so they can get a whole feel for it.
796
00:23:51,296 --> 00:23:54,332
And they had the biggest grins
797
00:23:54,332 --> 00:23:57,903
on their face that you would ever see.
798
00:23:57,903 --> 00:23:59,671
I mean, some of the pictures we got,
799
00:23:59,671 --> 00:24:01,239
you could see them
800
00:24:01,239 --> 00:24:03,175
smiling through their helmets, you know.
801
00:24:03,175 --> 00:24:05,510
So I was just, man, what it was,
802
00:24:06,211 --> 00:24:07,579
hey, it was a grandfather,
803
00:24:07,579 --> 00:24:08,013
you know,
804
00:24:08,013 --> 00:24:09,314
it was a grandfather moment
805
00:24:09,314 --> 00:24:11,550
for me was awesome.
806
00:24:11,550 --> 00:24:16,421
How old are they?
807
00:24:16,421 --> 00:24:19,591
Yeah, I think they're both five.
808
00:24:19,891 --> 00:24:21,526
I think they're both five years old.
809
00:24:21,526 --> 00:24:22,160
Yeah.
810
00:24:22,227 --> 00:24:23,762
I remember being five years old
811
00:24:23,762 --> 00:24:25,564
and a skating ring and looking in
812
00:24:25,564 --> 00:24:30,735
and wishing that I could afford skates.
813
00:24:30,735 --> 00:24:31,536
You didn't have
814
00:24:31,536 --> 00:24:32,938
a grandfather worked at Bone.
815
00:24:32,938 --> 00:24:34,973
I think of all the used equipment
816
00:24:34,973 --> 00:24:37,042
that you want, right? Yeah.
817
00:24:37,042 --> 00:24:38,276
That's pretty cool, because that's.
818
00:24:38,276 --> 00:24:39,211
That's your life then.
819
00:24:39,211 --> 00:24:40,111
I mean, that's your kids,
820
00:24:40,111 --> 00:24:41,346
that's your passion and, and
821
00:24:41,346 --> 00:24:42,881
and see that whole thing
822
00:24:42,881 --> 00:24:43,882
come through, man.
823
00:24:43,882 --> 00:24:44,282
Yeah.
824
00:24:44,282 --> 00:24:45,784
And I mean, so many,
825
00:24:45,784 --> 00:24:46,051
you know,
826
00:24:46,051 --> 00:24:47,853
we had lots of people from the family
827
00:24:47,853 --> 00:24:50,522
were there and aunts and uncles.
828
00:24:50,689 --> 00:24:53,592
I mean, it's, it was just it was great,
829
00:24:53,792 --> 00:24:54,659
you know, it was great.
830
00:24:54,659 --> 00:24:56,094
Pauline was there, of course.
831
00:24:56,094 --> 00:24:58,129
And so it was definitely
832
00:24:58,129 --> 00:24:59,431
a big family moment,
833
00:24:59,431 --> 00:25:01,299
you know, and I know we made it
834
00:25:01,299 --> 00:25:02,834
look goofy, you know.
835
00:25:02,834 --> 00:25:05,203
But that's not goofy at all, man.
836
00:25:05,203 --> 00:25:06,271
That's pretty cool.
837
00:25:06,271 --> 00:25:08,073
It's funny because, you know, the boys
838
00:25:08,073 --> 00:25:09,307
all the boys play soccer
839
00:25:09,307 --> 00:25:10,275
and there are soccer, league,
840
00:25:10,275 --> 00:25:11,877
baseball and everything.
841
00:25:11,877 --> 00:25:14,513
And, you know, everybody comes to
842
00:25:14,513 --> 00:25:16,081
family dinner on Sunday.
843
00:25:17,482 --> 00:25:18,550
My in,
844
00:25:18,550 --> 00:25:18,917
you know,
845
00:25:18,917 --> 00:25:19,551
my sister in
846
00:25:19,551 --> 00:25:20,852
law and her husband
847
00:25:20,852 --> 00:25:22,687
and the aunts and uncles,
848
00:25:22,687 --> 00:25:24,623
they always all those get
849
00:25:24,623 --> 00:25:26,024
they all go to the kids games.
850
00:25:26,024 --> 00:25:28,960
So every kid that's playing
851
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,563
has the reading section a minimum of ten
852
00:25:31,563 --> 00:25:33,932
sometimes, you know, at the games.
853
00:25:33,932 --> 00:25:36,334
So it was it was great.
854
00:25:36,334 --> 00:25:37,636
It was a great night.
855
00:25:37,636 --> 00:25:47,245
What must that be like to have family?
856
00:25:47,245 --> 00:25:48,780
Oh, my God.
857
00:25:48,780 --> 00:25:50,148
If Paula hears this,
858
00:25:50,148 --> 00:25:51,449
she is going to be in tears.
859
00:25:51,449 --> 00:25:52,083
You're going to kill me
860
00:25:52,083 --> 00:25:54,152
for telling this story. Yeah.
861
00:25:54,152 --> 00:25:56,454
Well, Rob, I don't want to be rude, but
862
00:25:57,489 --> 00:25:58,657
Judy just gave me the signal
863
00:25:58,657 --> 00:25:59,791
that the chocolate chip cookies
864
00:25:59,791 --> 00:26:00,191
that she's been
865
00:26:00,191 --> 00:26:00,825
making are done,
866
00:26:00,825 --> 00:26:03,528
and I can smell them from here, so
867
00:26:03,995 --> 00:26:04,529
I got to go
868
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:16,775
back.
869
00:26:16,775 --> 00:26:20,345
I don't think he's coming back.
870
00:26:20,345 --> 00:26:21,513
All right.
871
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:22,881
It's the Rob Show.
872
00:26:22,881 --> 00:26:23,515
Here we go.
873
00:26:23,515 --> 00:26:24,516
I don't think he's coming back.
874
00:26:24,516 --> 00:26:25,483
So
875
00:26:26,484 --> 00:26:28,286
thanks a lot for listening, everybody.
876
00:26:28,286 --> 00:26:29,821
This has been another episode
877
00:26:29,821 --> 00:26:33,024
of On the Floor with Rob and Wayne.
878
00:26:33,625 --> 00:26:35,760
Please stay tuned for another episode.
879
00:26:36,094 --> 00:26:43,635
Oh.