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hello.
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Welcome to another award
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winning episode of On the Floor
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with Wayne and Rob.
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I am Wayne Highlander
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with Bona Adhesives.
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Rob Johnson with THEE Bona Training,
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up.
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Wayne, how are you doing?
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Wonderful.
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Yes, sir.
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We're going to do an episode.
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Well, hey, what do you get?
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Do you still get calls?
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I you
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I don't know how many calls
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you're going to get
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because you moved away.
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But do you still have people call you.
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Oh my gosh.
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Cops all the time.
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Right.
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All the time. Yeah.
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Even. Yeah.
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Well I guess a lot of people
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are going to know you're a floor guy.
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You did win.
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Oh hey wait a minute.
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Did we hear it on the last episode.
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Yes I think we did.
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And there it is. Another.
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Yeah. Other for why?
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Yes, sir.
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So, yeah.
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Call you get calls. Local calls like.
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Hey,
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I got a call, this Saturday
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and this Sunday, as a matter of fact.
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No kidding.
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Yeah. You know, what do you do with them?
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I mean, what I do with my answer
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them, I, I, I know you answer,
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but I'm pretty sure you're not out
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doing side jobs anymore.
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No, I have never done this. Any job?
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Not one since I started as a sales rep.
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Not one, not one.
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That would be.
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Yeah, that
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that that could be a little crappy,
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but I think I think so.
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So like I said, what do you do with them.
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Do you have a guy that you recommend or.
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Oh, oh well no.
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So I misunderstood you.
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I thought you meant do
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I get technical questions from guys?
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How do you do this?
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How do you do that?
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Oh, no no no no, I mean,
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somebody call and you're like, Wayne,
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I've got 1200 feet.
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Oh, no, no, no, especially not
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I moved to Tennessee.
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I was thinking that.
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I mean, maybe
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because you moved to Tennessee.
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You don't. Yeah.
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You don't get those calls.
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Yeah, but what about,
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you you're,
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you're certified installs certified.
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Same with the Wfae, right?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I mean, I am it
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my name is still on there,
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so I get calls from that.
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You get calls from that.
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I do.
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And, I'm very I stay away from like I
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or sometimes I see you on Facebook.
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Hey, do you guys know
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of somebody in Timbuktu that needs, that
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that that does floors
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my cousin's moving there,
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blah, blah, blah,
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because I might know
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a 4 or 5 guys in the area.
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I don't want to offend anybody
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because you are so popular.
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Well,
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okay, so if somebody calls you,
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what do you do with that call?
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Like, I needed a
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I need a floor
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done, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Yeah, yeah. Okay.
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I'll tell them.
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Listen,
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you know, as a local distributor
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and distributors
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information, whatever, or,
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if I'm going to give out names, like,
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I might give out 3 or 4 names,
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you know, just because guys, I know,
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you know.
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Yeah, yeah,
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but I try to stay very neutral.
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Okay, well, I'm lucky,
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I just
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because I still get tons of calls
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and, you know, my son
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and I share the same name, so,
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I just,
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you know, turn everything over to him.
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It's like,
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you know, of course I trust him. And.
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But anyways, I get a call the other day,
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and this woman is just going on and on
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and on,
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you know, like
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you did this guy's floor a long time ago.
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And they recommend it. Yeah.
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I mean,
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you know,
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she was just
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singing the praises of Rob Johnson.
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So I you know if I don't you,
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you know I said all right.
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And before I
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turn something over to my kid,
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you know I'd try to figure out what,
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what the job is.
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You know what's going on.
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Yeah.
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So the lady says,
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well, you know, I got I need 20
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400ft of LVP installed.
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And I said, you know,
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I'm really not your guy for that.
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I said, you know, I'm not, yeah.
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I'm not a firm believer in that stuff.
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And I said, there's plenty of guys
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I can recommend
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that will install that for you.
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Really good guys, local guys.
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Like you said,
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I get a few guys, you know. Yeah.
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And I knew
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my son
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would would not be
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interested in that one. You know.
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And I
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joked around with the lady,
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I go, you know,
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this stuff is poison, right.
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And and she goes, oh yeah,
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yeah, I know, it's
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it's definitely poison.
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She goes in, it's funny because,
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I'm opening up a wellness center.
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Okay.
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Oh, I run for
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I see you doing what
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she goes.
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Yeah, I'm
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opening a wellness center
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in North Greenbush, and
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and I go, and, you know, this stuff
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is she goes, he.
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Yeah, I know,
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and the two of us are cracking up.
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I mean, out of all.
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And when she said, oh, yeah,
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I know it's bad, right?
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But I'm putting it in a wellness center.
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You know, if she had said
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like, it's, it's an arcade,
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you know, I'm gonna be put here. Yeah.
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Right. Right, right, right.
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But oh my God.
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Yeah, she's putting in a wellness center.
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I said, well, you know,
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if it finally gets around to it
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and you're you feeling like
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maybe a wellness center,
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I should go with real wood
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and some because I was talking to her.
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I said, you know,
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we got some great products in Green Gar
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Gold, and, you know, all this stuff and,
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and just the two of us freaking
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laughing our off about it.
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That's funny.
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She said it poisoned.
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I like she had a sense of humor about it.
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Oh my God.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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All right.
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What do you want to talk about today?
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All right.
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Floor squeaks,
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the floor squeaks.
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So therefore, the flooring contractor
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must have messed up right?
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I mean, at the time, yeah.
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It's never anybody else's fault.
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Everybody automatically assumes
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that, it's, even the general contractor,
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assumes that it's the floor guy's fault.
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Well, let's talk about some reason
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why it may not be the floor guy's fault.
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Right?
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Let's see, the subfloor is moving.
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The hardwood may be
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perfectly installed, but,
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the actual problem
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actually might be loose subfloor panels.
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Right.
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It could be Miss Joyce. Yep.
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Inadequate fasteners.
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You know what I
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the OSB that is swollen
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and shrunk repeatedly,
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you know, it doesn't handle the seasonal,
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of the, variations very well.
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Constructed adhesive
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may have failed between the floor
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Joyce and the subfloor
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using cheap products.
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So that's one reason why.
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you can say loose
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subfloor panels
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you should go through and check them.
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And and I agree with that
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and what have you.
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But boy, I'll tell you, man, you
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nothing like a house built in the 1950s
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is there
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with the,
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the subfloor on a diagonal
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that one by on a diagonal.
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Especially the one by six.
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Yeah. Wasn't that a great subfloor?
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Yeah.
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So, yeah,
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so we're going
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to go through some reasons, you know,
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some reasons that could cause that
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and maybe you don't.
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I'll be so quick
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to point the finger at the,
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and also and the other thing too is
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when the subfloor moves,
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the hardwood
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simply advertises the problem.
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Okay.
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It's it's you know what I mean?
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It's like,
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not the problem.
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It's just coming from the problem.
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You know what I'm saying?
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It's highlighting what the problem is.
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So, so,
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let's go on to another one.
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Yep. Yeah. Here's the other thing.
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Before you get onto the other one
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the hardwood gets blamed for the squeak.
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But you know that's
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that could have started
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in the framing package
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six months
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before the flooring ever arrived.
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So let's continue to talk about some of
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that's where I was going to go with
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number two okay.
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Floor trusses are moving.
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Modern homes, the open web trusses,
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the engineered I Joyce long span
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framing trusses.
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These systems can flex
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a lot more than like you said,
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my house was built back in the 50s.
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That it's two by tens.
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Literally two by tens. Yeah.
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16in on center.
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That was one thing
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I didn't like about the
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the new trusses, the
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I don't know what it's like
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in the other states, but in New York,
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I think you get up to like 24in on site.
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Yeah.
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And and past that, you know, not 16.
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The result with
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those can be a lot of deflection,
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some friction fastener movement.
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Because of that I think the wider span.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Which is all going to telegraph
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through the hardwood floor. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's it's
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it's not it's not causing
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the squeak is is amplifying the squeak.
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The the problem.
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Right. Yes.
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All right.
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So another thing, Rob,
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going through this list of,
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of the squeaks and what have you,
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the Hvac and humidity issues,
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homeowner keeps our, our agent,
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say 20% in the winter, 70% in the summer.
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Well, the wood's going to shrink,
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and it's going to expand, right?
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That movement, all the wood.
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Yep, yep.
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That movement.
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Not just the flooring.
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Yes. All the wood.
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All the wood.
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Yeah.
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Wintertime can cause
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wood to shrink.
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So,
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so water also causes shrinkage.
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Where are we going?
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Here. No.
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Yeah. So there's nowhere.
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So we know that can create
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the faster friction,
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minor like panel movement and,
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seasonal squeaks.
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The floor installer can't control
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how people operate
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the the heating system in their homes.
343
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I can tell you firsthand, like,
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I've been in this house 13 years now.
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Last year.
346
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Well, this year,
347
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recently,
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my floor started to slightly cup.
349
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Now, we've had ungodly rain this year.
350
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And we also had an issue with our, our,
351
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Hvac system
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when the basement
353
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and we had a good little,
354
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puddle going on,
355
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what have you
356
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and then and didn't know about it
357
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for quite a while.
358
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So whose fault is it?
359
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It's not for man's fault.
360
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Is the floor man.
361
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How could it be my fault?
362
00:10:58,491 --> 00:11:01,494
So, But Judy couldn't wait to blame you,
363
00:11:01,527 --> 00:11:03,396
Yeah. Yes. What? Yeah.
364
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What did you do?
365
00:11:03,929 --> 00:11:05,631
Wait. After 13 years.
366
00:11:05,631 --> 00:11:06,932
Hey, I'm off the hook.
367
00:11:06,932 --> 00:11:08,734
What's going on here?
368
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I'm going to put a dehumidifier
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in here for a while.
370
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That's you bring it down.
371
00:11:12,438 --> 00:11:13,572
I don't think it's enough to.
372
00:11:13,572 --> 00:11:14,840
I think it'll be fine to lay down
373
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flat, but.
374
00:11:15,608 --> 00:11:17,410
But again, you know what?
375
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If that happened
376
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a year or two years
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after the flooring, I did the floors.
378
00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:21,781
Yeah.
379
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How would he know?
380
00:11:23,816 --> 00:11:24,350
You know what I mean?
381
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That's something that's a jobsite issue
382
00:11:25,718 --> 00:11:26,619
that came after him.
383
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So,
384
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like I said, the flooring contractor
385
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can't control
386
00:11:29,955 --> 00:11:31,524
how people operate in their homes.
387
00:11:31,524 --> 00:11:34,527
And what happens after they do the job.
388
00:11:35,361 --> 00:11:37,830
So you had a lot of rain this year?
389
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Yeah.
390
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An unbelievable amount of rain.
391
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Yeah.
392
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At this point in time,
393
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our average should be around 24in of rain
394
00:11:49,875 --> 00:11:50,509
every year.
395
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I mean, you could almost,
396
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you know, every year,
397
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very little fluctuation.
398
00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:54,914
Yeah.
399
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This year we're already at 36.
400
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Wow.
401
00:12:00,319 --> 00:12:02,655
Because we had that we had that
402
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massive storm a few weeks ago
403
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where we got 12in of rain,
404
00:12:08,828 --> 00:12:10,329
and 14 hours,
405
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I think I talked about that on the show.
406
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Yeah.
407
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Barns being washed away, all that stuff.
408
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But
409
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I will say this.
410
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My lawn has never looked this good.
411
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Well, then it's worth it.
412
00:12:26,212 --> 00:12:32,151
It has absolutely never looked this good.
413
00:12:32,585 --> 00:12:32,785
No.
414
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38 years I've been living there
415
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this long.
416
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Looks like Latrobe.
417
00:12:39,191 --> 00:12:41,360
It looks like a Augusta National.
418
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That golf. Wow, wow.
419
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I mean, it is beautiful in grass and it
420
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and and I got to take a little
421
00:12:48,501 --> 00:12:51,504
something off of Pauline's plate.
422
00:12:51,670 --> 00:12:52,605
Okay.
423
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That usually is food.
424
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Pauline.
425
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She's a Virgo.
426
00:12:59,912 --> 00:13:00,946
Okay. Yeah.
427
00:13:00,946 --> 00:13:02,448
So Virgos
428
00:13:02,448 --> 00:13:04,416
they, they worry about everything.
429
00:13:04,416 --> 00:13:07,386
Yeah. Everything okay.
430
00:13:07,386 --> 00:13:10,389
And as soon as something gets fixed
431
00:13:11,390 --> 00:13:12,158
that's great.
432
00:13:12,158 --> 00:13:15,261
But I've got 50 other things that
433
00:13:15,995 --> 00:13:18,230
be okay. Yeah.
434
00:13:18,230 --> 00:13:19,732
So the other day I was,
435
00:13:19,732 --> 00:13:20,699
you know going through
436
00:13:20,699 --> 00:13:23,302
and I was just curious what,
437
00:13:23,302 --> 00:13:25,604
what the, what my rainfall total
438
00:13:25,604 --> 00:13:27,106
was compared to other years
439
00:13:27,106 --> 00:13:28,440
because of that massive storm
440
00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:29,542
and how good my lawn looks.
441
00:13:31,877 --> 00:13:32,278
I look
442
00:13:32,278 --> 00:13:33,279
at it and I look at her,
443
00:13:33,279 --> 00:13:35,481
I go, hey, guess what?
444
00:13:35,481 --> 00:13:38,450
We are 12in
445
00:13:38,450 --> 00:13:41,453
past where we should be.
446
00:13:42,221 --> 00:13:43,889
How great is that?
447
00:13:43,889 --> 00:13:45,724
That all that water
448
00:13:45,724 --> 00:13:48,727
is going into the well, yeah.
449
00:13:48,828 --> 00:13:50,663
And no issues.
450
00:13:50,663 --> 00:13:52,431
Because,
451
00:13:52,431 --> 00:13:54,433
you know, if I take a long shower, she's
452
00:13:54,433 --> 00:13:56,302
she's like, you know. Yeah,
453
00:13:56,302 --> 00:13:58,170
we got no water in the well,
454
00:13:58,170 --> 00:14:00,439
you know that, wow, wow.
455
00:14:00,439 --> 00:14:01,807
She won't let me fill a pool.
456
00:14:01,807 --> 00:14:03,042
We have an above ground pool.
457
00:14:03,042 --> 00:14:05,377
It's not an Olympic pool here, right?
458
00:14:05,377 --> 00:14:05,811
Yeah.
459
00:14:05,811 --> 00:14:06,712
We're not doing a swim
460
00:14:06,712 --> 00:14:07,580
meet in this thing.
461
00:14:07,580 --> 00:14:11,350
It's a, you know, 18, 18ft round pools.
462
00:14:11,350 --> 00:14:12,818
Not a great.
463
00:14:12,818 --> 00:14:15,421
Oh, you know, so.
464
00:14:15,421 --> 00:14:18,424
So she is paranoid
465
00:14:18,958 --> 00:14:19,592
that, you know,
466
00:14:19,592 --> 00:14:21,193
if I load some water in the pool,
467
00:14:21,193 --> 00:14:21,560
it's a hole.
468
00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:22,561
That's it.
469
00:14:22,561 --> 00:14:24,830
Well, now, what do we do?
470
00:14:24,830 --> 00:14:26,498
Yeah, well, it's going to run dry.
471
00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:28,968
And I said, no way.
472
00:14:28,968 --> 00:14:30,703
Not this year.
473
00:14:30,703 --> 00:14:33,472
Next year we got an extra foot of water.
474
00:14:33,472 --> 00:14:37,009
Beautiful sigh of relief.
475
00:14:37,910 --> 00:14:38,577
She looked at me.
476
00:14:38,577 --> 00:14:39,311
She goes, wow,
477
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I didn't even think about that.
478
00:14:40,846 --> 00:14:42,081
I go, yeah,
479
00:14:42,081 --> 00:14:43,716
I go with all the negative stuff
480
00:14:43,716 --> 00:14:46,318
with that bad storm.
481
00:14:46,318 --> 00:14:47,219
Well, look at that.
482
00:14:47,219 --> 00:14:48,320
Look at our look where our.
483
00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:49,255
Well, I can't
484
00:14:49,255 --> 00:14:50,289
you can't see the well,
485
00:14:50,289 --> 00:14:52,157
you can't see anything.
486
00:14:52,157 --> 00:14:53,292
You know what I mean?
487
00:14:53,292 --> 00:14:55,761
Yeah. Yeah, there's there's probably not.
488
00:14:55,761 --> 00:14:57,796
I'm not going to jinx myself. Whatever.
489
00:14:57,796 --> 00:14:59,164
But
490
00:14:59,164 --> 00:15:02,401
yeah, I got tied up like I did.
491
00:15:02,401 --> 00:15:04,136
How are you for a bubble bath guy?
492
00:15:04,136 --> 00:15:05,871
But,
493
00:15:05,871 --> 00:15:07,473
All right, what's the number?
494
00:15:07,473 --> 00:15:08,507
What's the fourth on our list?
495
00:15:08,507 --> 00:15:11,510
We put down?
496
00:15:12,044 --> 00:15:12,945
The squeak is coming
497
00:15:12,945 --> 00:15:15,948
from below.
498
00:15:16,348 --> 00:15:17,549
Many lower
499
00:15:17,549 --> 00:15:20,719
squeaks are actually ductwork rubbing.
500
00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:22,588
Oh, yes.
501
00:15:22,588 --> 00:15:23,422
Yeah.
502
00:15:23,422 --> 00:15:25,958
Plumbing lines moving out.
503
00:15:25,958 --> 00:15:26,358
And do it.
504
00:15:26,358 --> 00:15:29,361
Shifting, little hangers rubbing,
505
00:15:29,628 --> 00:15:32,631
Hvac expansion and contraction.
506
00:15:32,932 --> 00:15:34,533
The sound travels through the framing
507
00:15:34,533 --> 00:15:37,536
and appears to come from the floor.
508
00:15:37,770 --> 00:15:38,904
Yeah,
509
00:15:38,904 --> 00:15:40,673
I've been called back on a few of these
510
00:15:40,673 --> 00:15:43,175
and that's what it was. Ductwork rubbing.
511
00:15:44,410 --> 00:15:45,577
Yeah.
512
00:15:45,577 --> 00:15:47,179
Yeah. Absolutely. Yep.
513
00:15:47,179 --> 00:15:49,581
Yeah, absolutely.
514
00:15:49,581 --> 00:15:51,450
When we had the new AC unit
515
00:15:51,450 --> 00:15:53,786
put in the central air,
516
00:15:53,786 --> 00:15:56,288
yeah, we had locked down a few things
517
00:15:56,288 --> 00:15:59,291
and it did sound like
518
00:15:59,358 --> 00:16:00,793
did sound like it was the floor,
519
00:16:00,793 --> 00:16:03,796
but it was, you know, gosh, we,
520
00:16:04,663 --> 00:16:05,531
just hit this real quick.
521
00:16:05,531 --> 00:16:06,098
So I think I talked
522
00:16:06,098 --> 00:16:07,132
about a long time ago,
523
00:16:07,132 --> 00:16:10,135
but we did a parquet floor for a guy and,
524
00:16:10,569 --> 00:16:12,871
in about a two foot section
525
00:16:12,871 --> 00:16:15,107
down the middle of the room shrunk,
526
00:16:15,107 --> 00:16:17,643
not nothing else, and the floor shrunk
527
00:16:17,643 --> 00:16:18,477
just a bit.
528
00:16:18,477 --> 00:16:19,278
You could just see it
529
00:16:19,278 --> 00:16:20,312
like a two foot line
530
00:16:20,312 --> 00:16:21,447
all the way going down the down.
531
00:16:21,447 --> 00:16:24,450
The living room shrunk and nothing else.
532
00:16:24,984 --> 00:16:26,752
Well, yeah.
533
00:16:26,752 --> 00:16:30,155
And, I want him to the house and, there's
534
00:16:30,456 --> 00:16:31,457
the Hvac
535
00:16:31,457 --> 00:16:31,991
guys are supposed
536
00:16:31,991 --> 00:16:33,659
to put metal protecting,
537
00:16:33,659 --> 00:16:34,226
over there,
538
00:16:34,226 --> 00:16:35,627
their ductwork and everything,
539
00:16:35,627 --> 00:16:36,595
and they didn't.
540
00:16:36,595 --> 00:16:38,530
So that heat just went boom.
541
00:16:38,530 --> 00:16:40,632
Right up above all the way down
542
00:16:40,632 --> 00:16:41,734
that line.
543
00:16:41,734 --> 00:16:42,968
It was on the Hvac guy.
544
00:16:42,968 --> 00:16:43,769
It was his issue,
545
00:16:43,769 --> 00:16:45,371
his fault for doing that.
546
00:16:45,371 --> 00:16:47,406
But, yeah, interesting.
547
00:16:47,406 --> 00:16:48,974
But they want to know what you did
548
00:16:48,974 --> 00:16:49,675
to the floors.
549
00:16:49,675 --> 00:16:51,310
Yeah. How come it's shrinking right here?
550
00:16:53,879 --> 00:16:54,546
All right, well,
551
00:16:54,546 --> 00:16:56,048
when it comes to installing that,
552
00:16:56,048 --> 00:16:58,317
I put in that super smart floor.
553
00:16:58,317 --> 00:17:00,052
Yeah. Just knows where to shrink.
554
00:17:00,052 --> 00:17:00,486
Just right.
555
00:17:00,486 --> 00:17:03,489
Yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah, yeah.
556
00:17:03,989 --> 00:17:05,024
A stair stairs.
557
00:17:05,024 --> 00:17:05,858
Also,
558
00:17:05,858 --> 00:17:06,859
I seen squeaks
559
00:17:06,859 --> 00:17:08,360
get blamed on hardwood installers
560
00:17:08,360 --> 00:17:11,330
when they actually the stair stringers,
561
00:17:11,463 --> 00:17:14,066
were the issue.
562
00:17:14,066 --> 00:17:16,535
And, you know, sometimes
563
00:17:16,535 --> 00:17:17,569
the treads, risers
564
00:17:17,569 --> 00:17:18,904
in transition and framing
565
00:17:18,904 --> 00:17:20,973
also were the issue.
566
00:17:20,973 --> 00:17:22,241
And that noise,
567
00:17:22,241 --> 00:17:22,808
it's amazing
568
00:17:22,808 --> 00:17:24,109
if you have a noise in the from
569
00:17:24,109 --> 00:17:25,344
a string or something like that,
570
00:17:25,344 --> 00:17:27,379
how far that noise will travel.
571
00:17:27,379 --> 00:17:29,348
You think the squeak is over here?
572
00:17:29,348 --> 00:17:30,349
Was being caused by
573
00:17:30,349 --> 00:17:32,851
something three feet away?
574
00:17:32,851 --> 00:17:33,318
We have.
575
00:17:33,318 --> 00:17:33,752
Absolutely.
576
00:17:33,752 --> 00:17:36,588
I've had that issue before.
577
00:17:36,588 --> 00:17:38,123
And a squeak near the stairs
578
00:17:38,123 --> 00:17:40,092
often ends up being a stair issue
579
00:17:40,092 --> 00:17:41,994
and not not a flooring issue.
580
00:17:41,994 --> 00:17:44,263
So, absolutely seen that,
581
00:17:44,263 --> 00:17:46,165
happened in my career. So.
582
00:17:48,500 --> 00:17:49,001
Treads.
583
00:17:49,001 --> 00:17:49,435
Risers.
584
00:17:49,435 --> 00:17:50,569
Transition framing.
585
00:17:50,569 --> 00:17:53,372
Yep. Absolutely.
586
00:17:53,372 --> 00:17:54,973
I am shocked.
587
00:17:54,973 --> 00:17:57,409
You know, we go back to
588
00:17:57,409 --> 00:18:00,079
disaster when the guys put in my,
589
00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:00,679
the basement.
590
00:18:00,679 --> 00:18:00,946
Guys,
591
00:18:00,946 --> 00:18:03,949
we don't need to get into all that, but
592
00:18:04,483 --> 00:18:06,251
they attacked some of the drainage pipes
593
00:18:06,251 --> 00:18:07,352
and everything
594
00:18:07,352 --> 00:18:10,355
to get it up and out of the basement.
595
00:18:10,622 --> 00:18:13,625
They attached that to,
596
00:18:14,059 --> 00:18:16,195
joists. Yeah.
597
00:18:16,195 --> 00:18:19,198
And, it's unbelievable.
598
00:18:19,331 --> 00:18:22,334
When those things start moving,
599
00:18:22,668 --> 00:18:24,203
you can hear it in the other room
600
00:18:24,203 --> 00:18:25,938
sometimes. Yeah.
601
00:18:25,938 --> 00:18:27,005
The way that that noise
602
00:18:27,005 --> 00:18:29,308
will transfer to the joist subfloor
603
00:18:29,308 --> 00:18:32,311
and into the wood, it is insane.
604
00:18:32,811 --> 00:18:33,912
By the way, they can.
605
00:18:33,912 --> 00:18:36,115
I have never heard that before.
606
00:18:36,115 --> 00:18:39,051
Yeah, yeah.
607
00:18:39,051 --> 00:18:39,651
That's crazy.
608
00:18:39,651 --> 00:18:42,421
Go. Yeah.
609
00:18:42,421 --> 00:18:42,855
All right.
610
00:18:42,855 --> 00:18:45,858
You get a fun one here.
611
00:18:49,094 --> 00:18:49,728
Yeah.
612
00:18:49,728 --> 00:18:52,798
Foundation or structural settlement?
613
00:18:53,932 --> 00:18:55,434
This is the fun one way
614
00:18:56,602 --> 00:18:57,836
you inspect the floor,
615
00:18:57,836 --> 00:18:59,872
everything looks perfect.
616
00:18:59,872 --> 00:19:02,841
Then you discover beam movement,
617
00:19:02,975 --> 00:19:04,877
foundation settlement,
618
00:19:04,877 --> 00:19:05,811
load transfer
619
00:19:05,811 --> 00:19:08,780
issues, structural movement.
620
00:19:10,149 --> 00:19:12,784
The floor is simply reporting
621
00:19:12,784 --> 00:19:14,853
what the structure is doing.
622
00:19:14,853 --> 00:19:17,256
As the contractor would say,
623
00:19:17,256 --> 00:19:20,125
don't shoot the messenger.
624
00:19:20,125 --> 00:19:23,061
Yeah.
625
00:19:23,061 --> 00:19:24,029
Like you said, like,
626
00:19:24,029 --> 00:19:25,197
you know, with trusses
627
00:19:25,197 --> 00:19:27,032
and the wider spans
628
00:19:27,032 --> 00:19:28,000
and more deflection
629
00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,068
and other things going on,
630
00:19:30,068 --> 00:19:32,638
well know OSB, maybe seasonal movements
631
00:19:32,638 --> 00:19:33,972
and those type of things.
632
00:19:33,972 --> 00:19:36,975
You know, you start you can start
633
00:19:37,910 --> 00:19:39,778
collecting a catalog of things
634
00:19:39,778 --> 00:19:41,547
that can cause this floor to squeak,
635
00:19:41,547 --> 00:19:43,182
that have nothing to do with the actual
636
00:19:43,182 --> 00:19:44,516
what the floor guy did.
637
00:19:44,516 --> 00:19:46,151
You know, the floor guy came in there?
638
00:19:46,151 --> 00:19:49,087
He he's on his nailing schedule.
639
00:19:49,087 --> 00:19:50,389
Or he did an elbow assist
640
00:19:50,389 --> 00:19:51,023
as he's supposed to
641
00:19:51,023 --> 00:19:51,990
and all the other all these things.
642
00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:53,091
Right.
643
00:19:53,091 --> 00:19:54,393
There can be many other things
644
00:19:54,393 --> 00:19:57,162
that cause that that, that show up, but,
645
00:19:57,162 --> 00:19:58,163
that had nothing to do with really
646
00:19:58,163 --> 00:19:59,031
the floor guys work.
647
00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:02,868
And I'll tell you another one, which is,
648
00:20:02,868 --> 00:20:05,871
cabinet and island installations.
649
00:20:06,438 --> 00:20:07,439
If you put a big kitchen
650
00:20:07,439 --> 00:20:08,540
island down sometimes
651
00:20:08,540 --> 00:20:10,842
and it pinches the floor,
652
00:20:10,842 --> 00:20:11,877
creates stress points
653
00:20:11,877 --> 00:20:13,712
and restricts the movement.
654
00:20:13,712 --> 00:20:14,546
I have actually seen
655
00:20:14,546 --> 00:20:16,748
that kind of squeaks in the floor.
656
00:20:16,748 --> 00:20:17,416
And it can
657
00:20:17,416 --> 00:20:19,284
or it can cause popping or clicking
658
00:20:19,284 --> 00:20:21,420
and that type of stuff.
659
00:20:21,420 --> 00:20:22,721
You know, the foreign contractor
660
00:20:22,721 --> 00:20:23,288
may have delivered
661
00:20:23,288 --> 00:20:26,225
a flawless installation with the canvas,
662
00:20:26,225 --> 00:20:28,360
but would be before the cabinets arrived.
663
00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:30,896
And then that causes an issue, which,
664
00:20:30,896 --> 00:20:32,164
by the way, made me think,
665
00:20:32,164 --> 00:20:33,932
and this is not related to this,
666
00:20:33,932 --> 00:20:35,033
but if you ever
667
00:20:35,033 --> 00:20:35,601
I don't know how much
668
00:20:35,601 --> 00:20:37,469
exotic floors you ever put down,
669
00:20:37,469 --> 00:20:39,204
but if you ever install an exotic floor,
670
00:20:39,204 --> 00:20:41,039
where in the middle of the night,
671
00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:43,175
it sounds like a shotgun went off.
672
00:20:43,175 --> 00:20:45,077
You ever heard floor do that?
673
00:20:45,077 --> 00:20:46,144
Sounds like a gunshot.
674
00:20:47,112 --> 00:20:47,813
No.
675
00:20:47,813 --> 00:20:50,415
From from from moving.
676
00:20:50,415 --> 00:20:53,318
Guy that I used to coach with,
677
00:20:53,318 --> 00:20:54,653
he had me put a floor in.
678
00:20:54,653 --> 00:20:55,988
Floor.
679
00:20:55,988 --> 00:20:58,223
We did a floor, okay?
680
00:20:58,223 --> 00:21:01,226
And we had done it during the summer.
681
00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:03,662
Water base.
682
00:21:03,662 --> 00:21:06,732
And he said, I see him.
683
00:21:06,732 --> 00:21:08,734
You know, this is like February.
684
00:21:08,734 --> 00:21:11,069
We're coaching hockey together.
685
00:21:11,069 --> 00:21:12,104
And he goes
686
00:21:12,104 --> 00:21:13,405
after a game one day, he goes, hey,
687
00:21:13,405 --> 00:21:15,641
can I talk to him for a second?
688
00:21:15,641 --> 00:21:17,509
He said, so about your floor.
689
00:21:17,509 --> 00:21:20,779
Have heard the loudest pops.
690
00:21:22,914 --> 00:21:25,917
And it was the the floor shrinking.
691
00:21:26,018 --> 00:21:26,985
But yeah.
692
00:21:26,985 --> 00:21:28,787
Snapping the finish or.
693
00:21:28,787 --> 00:21:30,722
Yeah or or whatever.
694
00:21:30,722 --> 00:21:32,224
And he goes,
695
00:21:32,224 --> 00:21:32,591
he goes,
696
00:21:32,591 --> 00:21:34,626
I thought somebody was downstairs
697
00:21:34,626 --> 00:21:36,261
and he goes, I've gone downstairs
698
00:21:36,261 --> 00:21:38,230
a couple of times. He goes.
699
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:40,499
And then I told him about the whole wall
700
00:21:40,499 --> 00:21:41,333
floor shrink.
701
00:21:41,333 --> 00:21:43,101
And this is a brand new job,
702
00:21:43,101 --> 00:21:45,337
and I won't say the water base
703
00:21:45,337 --> 00:21:48,340
I was using, but it
704
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,044
when it would pull it, he said this snap,
705
00:21:52,778 --> 00:21:53,045
he goes,
706
00:21:53,045 --> 00:21:54,112
the first time I heard it,
707
00:21:54,112 --> 00:21:56,915
I just completely jumped out of bed.
708
00:21:56,915 --> 00:21:57,282
Yeah.
709
00:21:57,282 --> 00:21:58,083
And, you know,
710
00:21:58,083 --> 00:22:00,419
I went over to his house that day
711
00:22:00,419 --> 00:22:01,653
and I was showing him,
712
00:22:01,653 --> 00:22:02,854
these are seasonal gaps.
713
00:22:02,854 --> 00:22:03,722
This is what happens.
714
00:22:03,722 --> 00:22:05,891
Your floor shrinks, I go, you're actually
715
00:22:05,891 --> 00:22:07,659
your house is a little on the dry side.
716
00:22:07,659 --> 00:22:09,127
You might want to you.
717
00:22:09,127 --> 00:22:09,528
Yeah.
718
00:22:09,528 --> 00:22:11,229
Introduce some humidification
719
00:22:11,229 --> 00:22:12,831
or something like that.
720
00:22:12,831 --> 00:22:15,400
But it it'll literally sound
721
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:16,935
like a gunshot.
722
00:22:16,935 --> 00:22:19,304
That's exactly what he said.
723
00:22:19,304 --> 00:22:20,706
Like yeah.
724
00:22:20,706 --> 00:22:22,641
Hey, when I told him that, he's like,
725
00:22:22,641 --> 00:22:23,775
I don't know about that, right?
726
00:22:23,775 --> 00:22:26,078
I go, no, no, no, trust me.
727
00:22:26,078 --> 00:22:27,312
Right. Yeah.
728
00:22:30,082 --> 00:22:30,716
Nothing.
729
00:22:30,716 --> 00:22:32,884
It's nothing I did, I didn't.
730
00:22:32,884 --> 00:22:35,887
Yeah, yeah, I gave you a great job.
731
00:22:36,188 --> 00:22:38,890
Only get get some moisture in here.
732
00:22:38,890 --> 00:22:41,893
So son of a gun.
733
00:22:42,794 --> 00:22:43,295
All right. What?
734
00:22:43,295 --> 00:22:46,164
You had,
735
00:22:46,164 --> 00:22:46,732
the builder
736
00:22:46,732 --> 00:22:49,801
created the problem, not us, boy.
737
00:22:49,801 --> 00:22:51,169
And I'll tell you what.
738
00:22:51,169 --> 00:22:54,139
This was one that Peter and I ran into,
739
00:22:54,639 --> 00:22:55,574
years ago.
740
00:22:55,574 --> 00:22:56,942
We installed floors,
741
00:22:56,942 --> 00:22:58,110
and we didn't do a lot of build building
742
00:22:58,110 --> 00:22:59,811
work with this guy.
743
00:22:59,811 --> 00:23:01,480
You know, he built some custom homes,
744
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:02,714
and we got involved with him,
745
00:23:02,714 --> 00:23:05,283
did some great work with them.
746
00:23:05,283 --> 00:23:07,486
But this one job,
747
00:23:07,486 --> 00:23:10,055
I don't know, you know, the subfloor
748
00:23:10,055 --> 00:23:10,689
look perfect.
749
00:23:10,689 --> 00:23:11,790
Peter, I got there,
750
00:23:11,790 --> 00:23:13,291
everything looked great,
751
00:23:13,291 --> 00:23:15,994
and we used a blind nail,
752
00:23:15,994 --> 00:23:16,962
but I also marked out
753
00:23:16,962 --> 00:23:17,763
where the joist were
754
00:23:17,763 --> 00:23:20,298
so I could get a nail into a joist.
755
00:23:20,298 --> 00:23:21,099
Yeah, I wasn't going
756
00:23:21,099 --> 00:23:24,236
super deep, but I just felt better
757
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:25,704
when I nail,
758
00:23:25,704 --> 00:23:26,905
you know, we blind nail
759
00:23:26,905 --> 00:23:28,407
and I mark with a joist. Wasn't.
760
00:23:28,407 --> 00:23:31,410
Make sure I hit every joist like a two.
761
00:23:32,210 --> 00:23:34,780
What's that? Nothing.
762
00:23:34,780 --> 00:23:35,847
Oh, you're mocking me?
763
00:23:35,847 --> 00:23:38,116
No, I said look at you. Good job.
764
00:23:38,116 --> 00:23:40,018
Yeah, yeah, I was, yeah,
765
00:23:40,018 --> 00:23:40,652
mocked you early.
766
00:23:40,652 --> 00:23:42,821
Well, this guy,
767
00:23:42,821 --> 00:23:44,823
for some reason, he put a bit of glue
768
00:23:45,891 --> 00:23:47,726
on
769
00:23:47,726 --> 00:23:50,629
every joist.
770
00:23:50,629 --> 00:23:51,062
And then he
771
00:23:51,062 --> 00:23:53,532
was screwing his plywood into it.
772
00:23:53,532 --> 00:23:55,400
But what we found out in the end,
773
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,403
I mean, all of a sudden,
774
00:23:58,503 --> 00:23:59,905
some of the.
775
00:23:59,905 --> 00:24:00,405
He would, like,
776
00:24:00,405 --> 00:24:02,841
put the beads of glue down. Okay.
777
00:24:02,841 --> 00:24:04,443
And then as he was screwing
778
00:24:04,443 --> 00:24:07,446
his subfloor in
779
00:24:07,446 --> 00:24:10,048
the B, the glue was already heart.
780
00:24:10,048 --> 00:24:11,516
So it wasn't like glue.
781
00:24:11,516 --> 00:24:13,385
It was more like a shock absorber.
782
00:24:13,385 --> 00:24:15,053
Yes, yes.
783
00:24:15,053 --> 00:24:16,087
Yeah. Right.
784
00:24:16,087 --> 00:24:18,790
So there was a cushion there.
785
00:24:18,790 --> 00:24:20,692
And now every time you walk over
786
00:24:20,692 --> 00:24:22,627
my floor,
787
00:24:22,627 --> 00:24:24,095
we're getting all sorts of pop
788
00:24:24,095 --> 00:24:26,698
and it's squeaking and moving and,
789
00:24:26,698 --> 00:24:26,965
you know,
790
00:24:26,965 --> 00:24:29,968
like how you know, how the hell.
791
00:24:30,135 --> 00:24:31,002
And, you know,
792
00:24:31,002 --> 00:24:34,005
he kind of came at us like,
793
00:24:34,172 --> 00:24:35,740
what'd you guys do, you know?
794
00:24:35,740 --> 00:24:37,709
Yeah, you're you've
795
00:24:37,709 --> 00:24:39,444
everything's been perfect. And
796
00:24:40,912 --> 00:24:42,047
so we ended up,
797
00:24:42,047 --> 00:24:42,614
you know, we
798
00:24:42,614 --> 00:24:43,648
did a little investigating,
799
00:24:43,648 --> 00:24:44,316
went downstairs
800
00:24:44,316 --> 00:24:46,384
and really started to look at.
801
00:24:46,384 --> 00:24:49,488
And you get absolutely see it like,
802
00:24:50,422 --> 00:24:51,756
and I was like, look at here.
803
00:24:51,756 --> 00:24:52,691
Right.
804
00:24:52,691 --> 00:24:54,359
It's all flat, right?
805
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,162
The joist is right down on the plywood.
806
00:24:57,162 --> 00:24:57,996
You can even see
807
00:24:57,996 --> 00:25:00,999
where the glue gushed into the joist.
808
00:25:01,066 --> 00:25:02,934
Right? Yep.
809
00:25:02,934 --> 00:25:04,002
Everything's perfect.
810
00:25:04,002 --> 00:25:06,271
And I go and look over here
811
00:25:06,271 --> 00:25:07,239
and I'm like,
812
00:25:07,239 --> 00:25:08,340
I'm yelling up the Pete,
813
00:25:08,340 --> 00:25:09,541
you know, I'm banging on the floor.
814
00:25:09,541 --> 00:25:11,443
I go step here
815
00:25:11,443 --> 00:25:12,444
banging it with a hammer.
816
00:25:12,444 --> 00:25:13,712
He starts walking on it
817
00:25:13,712 --> 00:25:15,814
and you could see that thing
818
00:25:15,814 --> 00:25:16,414
right on that
819
00:25:16,414 --> 00:25:19,417
bead on his shock absorber, right?
820
00:25:19,551 --> 00:25:20,819
Be darned.
821
00:25:20,819 --> 00:25:22,220
That's why,
822
00:25:22,220 --> 00:25:24,890
also, when you do a nail go assist
823
00:25:24,890 --> 00:25:26,391
and you do a serpentine pattern
824
00:25:26,391 --> 00:25:27,559
and you're not going from the end
825
00:25:27,559 --> 00:25:28,627
of the end of the board,
826
00:25:28,627 --> 00:25:29,461
you know, within,
827
00:25:29,461 --> 00:25:31,863
like a, you know, a half inch or so
828
00:25:31,863 --> 00:25:33,398
to the end of the board.
829
00:25:33,398 --> 00:25:35,400
And that bead sets up a little bit.
830
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,103
You can also get that rocking thing
831
00:25:38,103 --> 00:25:40,205
on, on a nail glue assist.
832
00:25:40,205 --> 00:25:42,340
That's why you should bring the glue
833
00:25:42,340 --> 00:25:44,376
as close to the end as you can.
834
00:25:44,376 --> 00:25:45,644
And, you wanted to
835
00:25:45,644 --> 00:25:46,978
get out too far ahead of yourself
836
00:25:46,978 --> 00:25:48,880
or start to set up on you.
837
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,283
So yeah, but that's interesting, Rob.
838
00:25:51,283 --> 00:25:53,285
And that's exactly what was happening.
839
00:25:53,285 --> 00:25:53,752
I was
840
00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:56,121
it's good investigation.
841
00:25:56,121 --> 00:25:59,391
Like, I was so happy.
842
00:25:59,991 --> 00:26:01,626
Yeah. So happy.
843
00:26:01,626 --> 00:26:04,396
Beautiful. Yeah.
844
00:26:04,396 --> 00:26:05,630
He's like, how are we going to fix that?
845
00:26:05,630 --> 00:26:07,699
I go home and drill holes.
846
00:26:07,699 --> 00:26:08,600
I mean, to get some
847
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,802
pretty good screws in here.
848
00:26:10,802 --> 00:26:12,337
Yeah. You won't see anything.
849
00:26:12,337 --> 00:26:14,072
That's what's going to cost you.
850
00:26:14,072 --> 00:26:15,807
Yeah.
851
00:26:15,807 --> 00:26:16,308
Question is,
852
00:26:16,308 --> 00:26:17,909
how are you going to fix it, sir?
853
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:18,843
That's right.
854
00:26:18,843 --> 00:26:20,178
Well, you know something, you know,
855
00:26:20,178 --> 00:26:22,113
and that's where like a homeowner or
856
00:26:22,113 --> 00:26:23,381
an engineer
857
00:26:23,381 --> 00:26:25,850
that that is too smart for the job.
858
00:26:25,850 --> 00:26:26,484
You know what I mean?
859
00:26:26,484 --> 00:26:27,519
You get a guy that's right
860
00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:29,521
that thinks they're doing their overkill,
861
00:26:29,521 --> 00:26:31,189
trying to do something,
862
00:26:31,189 --> 00:26:33,258
and they just that.
863
00:26:33,258 --> 00:26:35,527
Yes. Stick to that.
864
00:26:35,527 --> 00:26:37,462
Absolutely.
865
00:26:37,462 --> 00:26:38,029
Yeah.
866
00:26:38,029 --> 00:26:40,999
He he was just trying to do a better job.
867
00:26:41,299 --> 00:26:44,202
Yeah I say I get it.
868
00:26:44,202 --> 00:26:44,569
Yep.
869
00:26:45,870 --> 00:26:47,806
Back in the day,
870
00:26:47,806 --> 00:26:52,544
when, I, I set out to be a, contractor
871
00:26:52,544 --> 00:26:54,212
and, the gosh,
872
00:26:54,212 --> 00:26:55,780
if everybody's agreeing with 100 grit,
873
00:26:55,780 --> 00:26:57,716
120 grit, I want to be the best man.
874
00:26:57,716 --> 00:26:58,383
I'm going to.
875
00:26:58,383 --> 00:27:00,285
I'm going to scream with 180 grit now.
876
00:27:00,285 --> 00:27:02,721
I mean, I go to 20 grit or whatever.
877
00:27:02,721 --> 00:27:05,857
And you realize that by trying to,
878
00:27:06,558 --> 00:27:07,993
you know, go above and beyond,
879
00:27:07,993 --> 00:27:10,061
sometimes you can cause other issues
880
00:27:10,061 --> 00:27:12,163
like, yeah, sandpaper wants to live
881
00:27:12,163 --> 00:27:12,864
in a certain world,
882
00:27:12,864 --> 00:27:15,100
in the flooring world. Right.
883
00:27:15,100 --> 00:27:15,900
And that was before that
884
00:27:15,900 --> 00:27:18,870
we were water popping, what have you. So,
885
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:19,938
Yeah,
886
00:27:19,938 --> 00:27:20,405
a lot of times
887
00:27:20,405 --> 00:27:21,139
you'll see homeowners
888
00:27:21,139 --> 00:27:22,974
that'll do that is just overkill
889
00:27:22,974 --> 00:27:24,275
and actually create more problems
890
00:27:24,275 --> 00:27:24,909
in their worth.
891
00:27:24,909 --> 00:27:26,077
So and that's,
892
00:27:26,077 --> 00:27:27,345
that's exactly what
893
00:27:27,345 --> 00:27:29,314
what happened with this guy.
894
00:27:29,314 --> 00:27:30,949
He created more issues.
895
00:27:30,949 --> 00:27:32,584
I'd love this one.
896
00:27:32,584 --> 00:27:33,351
Florence sculpt
897
00:27:33,351 --> 00:27:36,054
where the house is conditioned.
898
00:27:36,054 --> 00:27:36,488
Yeah.
899
00:27:36,488 --> 00:27:39,924
And you were talking about, earlier
900
00:27:41,226 --> 00:27:42,827
when OSB
901
00:27:42,827 --> 00:27:45,163
expands, it contracts too many times.
902
00:27:45,163 --> 00:27:46,231
Yeah.
903
00:27:46,231 --> 00:27:46,731
Okay.
904
00:27:46,731 --> 00:27:48,433
Up where we live,
905
00:27:48,433 --> 00:27:49,968
the even in the development
906
00:27:49,968 --> 00:27:52,070
that my daughter,
907
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:54,172
built her house in,
908
00:27:54,172 --> 00:27:55,407
they had the platform in.
909
00:27:55,407 --> 00:27:57,776
And I remember one day
910
00:27:57,776 --> 00:28:00,512
seeing a guy on top of the OSB
911
00:28:00,512 --> 00:28:03,515
with a snow blower.
912
00:28:04,916 --> 00:28:05,917
Yeah,
913
00:28:05,917 --> 00:28:08,753
exactly that with a snow blower,
914
00:28:08,753 --> 00:28:11,389
a snow blower. He wasn't shoveling.
915
00:28:11,389 --> 00:28:12,090
Okay.
916
00:28:12,090 --> 00:28:14,626
We had about 14in of snow.
917
00:28:14,626 --> 00:28:17,495
Wow. And
918
00:28:17,495 --> 00:28:19,330
I went over to, you know,
919
00:28:19,330 --> 00:28:20,532
hack around with the grandkids
920
00:28:20,532 --> 00:28:22,767
because of the snow, and I.
921
00:28:22,767 --> 00:28:25,770
I will never forget the guy up there
922
00:28:25,837 --> 00:28:27,272
on the deck.
923
00:28:27,272 --> 00:28:29,874
Imagine if that was your house.
924
00:28:29,874 --> 00:28:32,811
Oh, then he's building your house.
925
00:28:32,811 --> 00:28:35,780
It goes back to what I've always said.
926
00:28:35,914 --> 00:28:38,416
Is that you, the homeowner builder?
927
00:28:38,416 --> 00:28:39,384
You have a schedule?
928
00:28:40,485 --> 00:28:40,952
I have a
929
00:28:40,952 --> 00:28:42,387
schedule,
930
00:28:42,387 --> 00:28:44,022
but the floor has a schedule to it.
931
00:28:44,022 --> 00:28:44,622
It doesn't care
932
00:28:44,622 --> 00:28:46,391
anything about our schedule.
933
00:28:46,391 --> 00:28:47,726
Everybody gets amnesia
934
00:28:47,726 --> 00:28:49,861
six months down the road, right?
935
00:28:49,861 --> 00:28:51,096
Everything that you told them,
936
00:28:51,096 --> 00:28:52,397
everything that you talked about.
937
00:28:52,397 --> 00:28:52,964
Everybody.
938
00:28:52,964 --> 00:28:53,898
When there's a squeak,
939
00:28:53,898 --> 00:28:54,766
if there's a problem
940
00:28:54,766 --> 00:28:56,134
or something happened,
941
00:28:56,134 --> 00:28:58,303
everybody's got amnesia now.
942
00:28:58,303 --> 00:29:00,638
So that's why is a man.
943
00:29:00,638 --> 00:29:02,674
I can't say enough about a good contract.
944
00:29:02,674 --> 00:29:04,576
I can't say enough about, you know, like,
945
00:29:04,576 --> 00:29:05,643
you know, when you're wrong,
946
00:29:05,643 --> 00:29:06,945
you're just wrong.
947
00:29:06,945 --> 00:29:09,948
It is a horrible place to be.
948
00:29:10,148 --> 00:29:11,316
That's why this other one here,
949
00:29:11,316 --> 00:29:12,383
this one here, we put down.
950
00:29:12,383 --> 00:29:13,184
We put down like,
951
00:29:13,184 --> 00:29:13,451
you know,
952
00:29:13,451 --> 00:29:14,586
the floor is installed before
953
00:29:14,586 --> 00:29:16,221
the home is conditioned,
954
00:29:16,221 --> 00:29:17,689
trades, damaging the subfloor,
955
00:29:17,689 --> 00:29:18,990
drywall money, blah, blah, blah.
956
00:29:18,990 --> 00:29:19,891
But you could
957
00:29:19,891 --> 00:29:21,259
also put this on the flooring
958
00:29:21,259 --> 00:29:22,894
contractor as well, right?
959
00:29:22,894 --> 00:29:24,496
I mean, this is one where,
960
00:29:24,496 --> 00:29:26,030
you know, we know on the floors.
961
00:29:26,030 --> 00:29:26,998
You know, we always talk about
962
00:29:26,998 --> 00:29:28,099
get to get the building
963
00:29:28,099 --> 00:29:29,400
ready for the flooring
964
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:30,201
and then get the flooring
965
00:29:30,201 --> 00:29:31,069
ready for the building.
966
00:29:32,604 --> 00:29:35,240
And, and do your due diligence.
967
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,975
And this right here,
968
00:29:36,975 --> 00:29:38,276
we put it down with the builder.
969
00:29:38,276 --> 00:29:39,144
Created the problem.
970
00:29:39,144 --> 00:29:41,946
But I would also say that,
971
00:29:41,946 --> 00:29:42,914
you know, I would
972
00:29:42,914 --> 00:29:44,449
you could put this on the,
973
00:29:44,449 --> 00:29:46,518
the flooring contractor to the,
974
00:29:46,518 --> 00:29:47,886
that make sure that, you know,
975
00:29:47,886 --> 00:29:49,020
everything is ready to go before
976
00:29:49,020 --> 00:29:51,790
you're ready, before you do the job. So.
977
00:29:51,790 --> 00:29:53,491
And and here's right, right there.
978
00:29:53,491 --> 00:29:54,526
I mean, that one there.
979
00:29:54,526 --> 00:29:57,061
Excessive moisture during construction,
980
00:29:57,061 --> 00:29:58,062
I mean.
981
00:29:58,062 --> 00:29:59,464
Well, I saw it on my brother.
982
00:29:59,464 --> 00:30:01,699
My brother built a beautiful house.
983
00:30:01,699 --> 00:30:04,702
Huge. Very jealous.
984
00:30:04,736 --> 00:30:06,137
You know, the middle brother does
985
00:30:06,137 --> 00:30:07,405
better than everybody.
986
00:30:07,405 --> 00:30:10,408
But you.
987
00:30:12,010 --> 00:30:12,477
That's right.
988
00:30:12,477 --> 00:30:14,712
You're the middle brother.
989
00:30:14,712 --> 00:30:16,347
And,
990
00:30:16,347 --> 00:30:18,616
I remember he called me is is actually
991
00:30:18,616 --> 00:30:20,185
his father in law called me and said,
992
00:30:20,185 --> 00:30:21,619
hey, can you rob me?
993
00:30:21,619 --> 00:30:22,520
Can you come over here?
994
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,323
And he goes, there's something right
995
00:30:25,323 --> 00:30:26,925
with this floor.
996
00:30:26,925 --> 00:30:28,092
My brother
997
00:30:28,092 --> 00:30:29,727
and his family was on vacation,
998
00:30:29,727 --> 00:30:31,629
and the father in law
999
00:30:31,629 --> 00:30:35,099
was overseeing while my brother was gone,
1000
00:30:35,266 --> 00:30:35,667
you know,
1001
00:30:36,634 --> 00:30:37,769
and, so.
1002
00:30:37,769 --> 00:30:40,238
Yeah. So, Mr. Part, I'll be right over.
1003
00:30:40,238 --> 00:30:41,606
No problem.
1004
00:30:41,606 --> 00:30:42,006
And he goes,
1005
00:30:42,006 --> 00:30:43,341
should you be able to do this
1006
00:30:43,341 --> 00:30:43,942
with the floor?
1007
00:30:43,942 --> 00:30:44,976
And he reaches down
1008
00:30:44,976 --> 00:30:47,979
and the guys are like, left for the day.
1009
00:30:47,979 --> 00:30:48,947
Okay?
1010
00:30:48,947 --> 00:30:50,615
He reaches down
1011
00:30:50,615 --> 00:30:51,983
and he, they,
1012
00:30:51,983 --> 00:30:54,352
they were using staples right.
1013
00:30:54,352 --> 00:30:55,920
And staples and nails.
1014
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,522
It doesn't matter
1015
00:30:57,522 --> 00:30:59,057
because they really wouldn't
1016
00:30:59,057 --> 00:31:01,192
have mattered here.
1017
00:31:01,192 --> 00:31:03,094
But he could pull out a board
1018
00:31:03,094 --> 00:31:05,630
that they had just put it,
1019
00:31:05,630 --> 00:31:07,465
with his hands
1020
00:31:07,465 --> 00:31:08,533
the whole time. You guys.
1021
00:31:08,533 --> 00:31:09,634
Yeah. He was a strong guy.
1022
00:31:09,634 --> 00:31:11,169
But
1023
00:31:11,169 --> 00:31:12,537
you shouldn't be able to pull that out
1024
00:31:12,537 --> 00:31:14,672
with your hands. Right?
1025
00:31:14,672 --> 00:31:16,608
So he goes, should this is this right?
1026
00:31:16,608 --> 00:31:18,877
I go, you know.
1027
00:31:18,877 --> 00:31:20,845
No. Absolutely not.
1028
00:31:20,845 --> 00:31:21,946
And he's like, well,
1029
00:31:21,946 --> 00:31:23,214
you know, what are they doing wrong?
1030
00:31:23,214 --> 00:31:24,282
I go, they're not doing
1031
00:31:24,282 --> 00:31:25,917
anything wrong except not
1032
00:31:27,585 --> 00:31:28,586
not alerting
1033
00:31:28,586 --> 00:31:30,088
everybody that
1034
00:31:30,088 --> 00:31:31,122
this is definitely going
1035
00:31:31,122 --> 00:31:33,825
to be an issue down the road. Yeah.
1036
00:31:33,825 --> 00:31:36,861
I was literally kicking boards out.
1037
00:31:38,363 --> 00:31:38,930
You can now.
1038
00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:39,364
You could
1039
00:31:39,364 --> 00:31:41,900
literally start kicking boards out.
1040
00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:45,036
That's how bad the OSB had been.
1041
00:31:45,770 --> 00:31:48,273
Just completely.
1042
00:31:48,273 --> 00:31:49,807
So he's like, so what, what
1043
00:31:49,807 --> 00:31:50,708
what's he going to do?
1044
00:31:50,708 --> 00:31:53,211
What do you do? I go, well,
1045
00:31:53,211 --> 00:31:54,445
you can either keep going
1046
00:31:54,445 --> 00:31:57,348
and this is never going to be right or
1047
00:31:57,348 --> 00:31:59,384
You gotta you got to replace this.
1048
00:31:59,384 --> 00:32:00,652
All this flooring here.
1049
00:32:00,652 --> 00:32:02,120
It's got to come up.
1050
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:03,588
You know they weren't into the job.
1051
00:32:03,588 --> 00:32:04,222
Too bad.
1052
00:32:04,222 --> 00:32:05,623
But
1053
00:32:05,623 --> 00:32:08,626
that's really not on the floor guy.
1054
00:32:10,028 --> 00:32:13,398
The the only thing on him was the
1055
00:32:14,332 --> 00:32:14,732
you should
1056
00:32:14,732 --> 00:32:16,501
maybe you should have noticed that
1057
00:32:16,501 --> 00:32:18,903
you know, but well you know
1058
00:32:19,971 --> 00:32:20,438
I'll just
1059
00:32:20,438 --> 00:32:21,272
I'll say this real quick
1060
00:32:21,272 --> 00:32:23,942
because I took a long time ago,
1061
00:32:23,942 --> 00:32:25,677
I had a big 3000 square foot
1062
00:32:25,677 --> 00:32:27,979
job to install, and,
1063
00:32:27,979 --> 00:32:28,947
I came by a couple weeks
1064
00:32:28,947 --> 00:32:29,781
just to make sure everybody's
1065
00:32:29,781 --> 00:32:30,848
on schedule and everything.
1066
00:32:30,848 --> 00:32:31,549
Whatever you did
1067
00:32:31,549 --> 00:32:32,083
at tile work
1068
00:32:32,083 --> 00:32:34,585
and everything's going on, and,
1069
00:32:34,585 --> 00:32:35,453
they had two tiles.
1070
00:32:35,453 --> 00:32:37,221
I was running in the living room
1071
00:32:37,221 --> 00:32:39,223
and in a, you know, about a six
1072
00:32:39,223 --> 00:32:40,258
by 12 area.
1073
00:32:40,258 --> 00:32:40,992
There was getting water
1074
00:32:40,992 --> 00:32:42,393
all over the place,
1075
00:32:42,393 --> 00:32:44,629
and it actually made me mad.
1076
00:32:44,629 --> 00:32:47,231
It made me. I was I was,
1077
00:32:47,231 --> 00:32:47,465
you know,
1078
00:32:47,465 --> 00:32:49,367
I was pretty upset about it
1079
00:32:49,367 --> 00:32:51,202
because how dare you.
1080
00:32:51,202 --> 00:32:53,805
And and if I hadn't seen it,
1081
00:32:53,805 --> 00:32:55,773
this would have been my callback.
1082
00:32:55,773 --> 00:32:57,008
You know what I mean, right?
1083
00:32:57,008 --> 00:32:58,343
You wouldn't blame me for this.
1084
00:32:58,343 --> 00:32:59,110
Because even though.
1085
00:32:59,110 --> 00:33:00,645
Yeah, you take the 40 measurements
1086
00:33:00,645 --> 00:33:01,746
or whatever in a room.
1087
00:33:01,746 --> 00:33:04,749
What what what if I hadn't cut that area?
1088
00:33:04,983 --> 00:33:05,283
This.
1089
00:33:05,283 --> 00:33:06,384
When you stuck it with the moisture
1090
00:33:06,384 --> 00:33:08,419
meter is over 20%.
1091
00:33:08,419 --> 00:33:10,521
So I would have been.
1092
00:33:10,521 --> 00:33:11,990
Oh. What's what what happened here?
1093
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:13,358
What did you guys do wrong here?
1094
00:33:13,358 --> 00:33:16,194
So really, really, really made me mad.
1095
00:33:16,194 --> 00:33:17,061
And and I had
1096
00:33:17,061 --> 00:33:17,929
I talked to him
1097
00:33:17,929 --> 00:33:19,130
and I, the tile guys
1098
00:33:19,130 --> 00:33:20,999
and I talked to the general contractor
1099
00:33:20,999 --> 00:33:21,733
and I said, you did.
1100
00:33:21,733 --> 00:33:24,836
You guys just about burn me right here.
1101
00:33:25,336 --> 00:33:26,938
And this would have been my callback.
1102
00:33:26,938 --> 00:33:28,006
You guys would have went away.
1103
00:33:28,006 --> 00:33:28,706
No one was saying
1104
00:33:28,706 --> 00:33:29,841
you would have came to me.
1105
00:33:29,841 --> 00:33:30,975
You would say, what did you do?
1106
00:33:30,975 --> 00:33:31,442
Right, I know you.
1107
00:33:31,442 --> 00:33:34,445
What what what what what happened here?
1108
00:33:34,512 --> 00:33:36,214
And, So. Yeah.
1109
00:33:36,214 --> 00:33:37,415
So the builder can
1110
00:33:37,415 --> 00:33:38,583
create problems for sure.
1111
00:33:39,617 --> 00:33:41,352
So we
1112
00:33:41,352 --> 00:33:42,120
just thought that this
1113
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,221
would be kind of a good episode
1114
00:33:43,221 --> 00:33:44,422
to talk about.
1115
00:33:44,422 --> 00:33:45,023
You know, squeak,
1116
00:33:45,023 --> 00:33:46,891
if you're in the flooring business,
1117
00:33:46,891 --> 00:33:47,325
you're going to
1118
00:33:47,325 --> 00:33:47,592
you're going
1119
00:33:47,592 --> 00:33:48,459
to have to deal with squeaks.
1120
00:33:48,459 --> 00:33:49,093
You're going to have to deal
1121
00:33:49,093 --> 00:33:51,629
with the issues going to come up.
1122
00:33:51,629 --> 00:33:52,697
Sometimes they're on us,
1123
00:33:52,697 --> 00:33:54,065
sometimes they're not.
1124
00:33:54,065 --> 00:33:55,366
But there's a lot of things
1125
00:33:55,366 --> 00:33:56,267
that can cause squeaks
1126
00:33:56,267 --> 00:33:59,270
that the floor guy had no parts part in.
1127
00:33:59,670 --> 00:34:02,073
That was were, you know, probably
1128
00:34:02,073 --> 00:34:02,907
going to be there
1129
00:34:02,907 --> 00:34:03,408
six months
1130
00:34:03,408 --> 00:34:05,076
before we even started the job.
1131
00:34:05,076 --> 00:34:05,710
And like you said,
1132
00:34:05,710 --> 00:34:07,645
some of the new technology today,
1133
00:34:07,645 --> 00:34:08,880
what's good for builders is,
1134
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:09,213
you know, it's
1135
00:34:09,213 --> 00:34:11,015
quicker, faster and all this.
1136
00:34:11,015 --> 00:34:11,649
But, you know,
1137
00:34:11,649 --> 00:34:13,117
maybe they could create some challenges
1138
00:34:13,117 --> 00:34:14,419
for the flooring contractor.
1139
00:34:15,420 --> 00:34:17,655
Absolutely.
1140
00:34:17,655 --> 00:34:20,658
You know, you would,
1141
00:34:21,259 --> 00:34:23,561
in the show, you said, have you ever
1142
00:34:23,561 --> 00:34:25,963
did you do a lot of exotics
1143
00:34:25,963 --> 00:34:26,731
and the issues
1144
00:34:26,731 --> 00:34:27,932
and everything that you've run into
1145
00:34:27,932 --> 00:34:30,201
with the exotics?
1146
00:34:30,201 --> 00:34:32,303
I had a guy call tech line.
1147
00:34:32,303 --> 00:34:33,871
I was work in tech line the other day.
1148
00:34:33,871 --> 00:34:35,940
I had a guy calls
1149
00:34:35,940 --> 00:34:37,708
and he's like,
1150
00:34:37,708 --> 00:34:40,812
you know, I forget what exotic it was.
1151
00:34:40,812 --> 00:34:42,346
But my answer for,
1152
00:34:42,346 --> 00:34:43,681
you know, he was asking me,
1153
00:34:43,681 --> 00:34:44,682
you know, what should I do?
1154
00:34:44,682 --> 00:34:44,849
And I'm
1155
00:34:44,849 --> 00:34:45,183
like, well,
1156
00:34:45,183 --> 00:34:47,251
if you want a little color on the exotic,
1157
00:34:47,251 --> 00:34:48,719
I think a lot of exotics
1158
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,788
look good with amber seal.
1159
00:34:50,788 --> 00:34:53,424
I really like amber seal on some exotics,
1160
00:34:53,424 --> 00:34:55,560
you know, really brings out the color
1161
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:56,794
a little heavier.
1162
00:34:56,794 --> 00:34:57,128
I said,
1163
00:34:57,128 --> 00:35:00,131
but if if not, you know, clear seal
1164
00:35:00,531 --> 00:35:01,799
is another great product.
1165
00:35:01,799 --> 00:35:02,500
And I said, so
1166
00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:04,836
as far as I'm concerned, when
1167
00:35:04,836 --> 00:35:06,337
working on exotics,
1168
00:35:07,305 --> 00:35:07,738
you know,
1169
00:35:07,738 --> 00:35:10,741
my rule of thumb has always been
1170
00:35:10,942 --> 00:35:14,345
as soon as you're done, you're 120 buff,
1171
00:35:14,345 --> 00:35:15,179
whatever you're doing,
1172
00:35:15,179 --> 00:35:18,516
one 20 hour drive or one multi whatever.
1173
00:35:19,050 --> 00:35:19,817
Yeah.
1174
00:35:19,817 --> 00:35:21,052
As soon as you're done, there's
1175
00:35:21,052 --> 00:35:23,454
no coffee, there's no lunch.
1176
00:35:23,454 --> 00:35:24,956
You get a code on it
1177
00:35:24,956 --> 00:35:26,190
because if there's anything
1178
00:35:26,190 --> 00:35:27,925
that's going to start to leech back
1179
00:35:27,925 --> 00:35:29,260
like the oils
1180
00:35:29,260 --> 00:35:32,096
and teak or something like that, that
1181
00:35:32,096 --> 00:35:33,231
I want to get water
1182
00:35:33,231 --> 00:35:34,966
based on because it's going to dry
1183
00:35:34,966 --> 00:35:37,935
cap it off quick.
1184
00:35:37,935 --> 00:35:40,138
Where's your feeling on that.
1185
00:35:40,138 --> 00:35:41,272
Oh yeah I mean it was two
1186
00:35:41,272 --> 00:35:43,074
there was two camps on it.
1187
00:35:43,074 --> 00:35:43,941
There was one.
1188
00:35:43,941 --> 00:35:45,877
Is that,
1189
00:35:45,877 --> 00:35:49,280
you I mean, you abraded your last,
1190
00:35:49,614 --> 00:35:50,381
last greening
1191
00:35:50,381 --> 00:35:52,617
or your last a braiding of the floor.
1192
00:35:52,617 --> 00:35:54,719
Yeah. You do it real quick.
1193
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,221
You have a guy vacuuming right behind you
1194
00:35:57,221 --> 00:35:59,390
and that floor as quick as you can.
1195
00:35:59,390 --> 00:35:59,657
Yeah.
1196
00:35:59,657 --> 00:36:01,259
That was that's the school of camp right
1197
00:36:01,259 --> 00:36:02,994
now, right. That's with water based.
1198
00:36:02,994 --> 00:36:03,728
So the water base,
1199
00:36:03,728 --> 00:36:05,096
of course with water base. Yeah.
1200
00:36:05,096 --> 00:36:06,297
In the old days
1201
00:36:06,297 --> 00:36:09,233
it wasn't that it was sand the floors,
1202
00:36:10,201 --> 00:36:11,936
it with lacquer thinner,
1203
00:36:11,936 --> 00:36:12,770
you know, deck
1204
00:36:12,770 --> 00:36:14,205
the whole floor with lacquer thinner
1205
00:36:14,205 --> 00:36:15,873
to drive the oils down.
1206
00:36:15,873 --> 00:36:17,808
God, I can't believe this.
1207
00:36:17,808 --> 00:36:20,178
And then coat the floor.
1208
00:36:20,178 --> 00:36:22,280
Oh, that is so funny.
1209
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:23,347
Yeah.
1210
00:36:23,347 --> 00:36:26,184
So this guy calls right?
1211
00:36:26,184 --> 00:36:27,585
Calls stack line.
1212
00:36:27,585 --> 00:36:29,754
Yeah. I tell him what to do.
1213
00:36:29,754 --> 00:36:30,321
Okay.
1214
00:36:30,321 --> 00:36:33,257
Just what you said back at tack
1215
00:36:33,257 --> 00:36:36,260
it immediately coat it.
1216
00:36:36,327 --> 00:36:37,695
Okay. Yeah.
1217
00:36:37,695 --> 00:36:38,996
That and and it's
1218
00:36:38,996 --> 00:36:41,999
always worked great for me.
1219
00:36:42,833 --> 00:36:45,836
The guy calls back the next day.
1220
00:36:46,671 --> 00:36:48,606
He calls looking for me
1221
00:36:48,606 --> 00:36:49,407
these like, hey,
1222
00:36:49,407 --> 00:36:51,275
this guy talked to you yesterday.
1223
00:36:51,275 --> 00:36:53,211
He wants to talk to you again today.
1224
00:36:53,211 --> 00:36:55,479
I was like, okay.
1225
00:36:55,479 --> 00:36:56,547
He goes,
1226
00:36:56,547 --> 00:36:57,281
you know, after
1227
00:36:57,281 --> 00:36:59,884
I got done talking to you,
1228
00:36:59,884 --> 00:37:02,887
I checked with I
1229
00:37:03,187 --> 00:37:04,789
before.
1230
00:37:04,789 --> 00:37:06,591
I said, oh, really?
1231
00:37:06,591 --> 00:37:09,360
Boy, you want to get on my bad side?
1232
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:10,795
Yeah, right.
1233
00:37:10,795 --> 00:37:12,830
He didn't trust the tech line.
1234
00:37:12,830 --> 00:37:15,199
Look, I ain't bragging here, okay?
1235
00:37:16,133 --> 00:37:16,734
I am not.
1236
00:37:16,734 --> 00:37:19,203
Right. But,
1237
00:37:19,203 --> 00:37:22,206
I'm smarter than I answer.
1238
00:37:22,406 --> 00:37:25,009
You got. All right.
1239
00:37:25,009 --> 00:37:25,910
Yeah.
1240
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:27,411
Like
1241
00:37:27,411 --> 00:37:30,014
I've been being paid to do floors
1242
00:37:30,014 --> 00:37:31,983
for 50 years. Yeah.
1243
00:37:31,983 --> 00:37:34,685
Which which only means I've seen
1244
00:37:34,685 --> 00:37:36,787
every screw up
1245
00:37:36,787 --> 00:37:38,689
I've caused every screw up.
1246
00:37:38,689 --> 00:37:39,890
Okay.
1247
00:37:39,890 --> 00:37:42,860
Been there, done that.
1248
00:37:42,860 --> 00:37:44,795
Big time.
1249
00:37:44,795 --> 00:37:46,764
This guy calls and he goes,
1250
00:37:46,764 --> 00:37:47,632
so, you know,
1251
00:37:47,632 --> 00:37:50,601
I just want to run something by you.
1252
00:37:50,601 --> 00:37:52,136
I, I understand what you were
1253
00:37:52,136 --> 00:37:55,139
saying, but, you know, I check with I.
1254
00:37:55,439 --> 00:37:58,442
And I told me to sand the floor.
1255
00:37:58,442 --> 00:38:01,445
And when I'm done,
1256
00:38:01,646 --> 00:38:04,649
give it a really good coat
1257
00:38:04,715 --> 00:38:07,251
of mineral spirits.
1258
00:38:07,251 --> 00:38:10,221
Oh, gosh.
1259
00:38:10,454 --> 00:38:13,257
That's what I said to do.
1260
00:38:13,257 --> 00:38:14,759
Okay,
1261
00:38:14,759 --> 00:38:17,428
so,
1262
00:38:17,428 --> 00:38:19,530
without exploding on this guy,
1263
00:38:19,530 --> 00:38:22,533
I was like, well, listen,
1264
00:38:23,167 --> 00:38:24,969
the the issue that I have with mineral
1265
00:38:24,969 --> 00:38:26,771
spirits, is it.
1266
00:38:26,771 --> 00:38:28,339
It's not like the old days.
1267
00:38:28,339 --> 00:38:29,073
Mineral spirits
1268
00:38:29,073 --> 00:38:31,242
now can have contaminants in it.
1269
00:38:31,242 --> 00:38:34,045
I said, I've seen guys in sports laws
1270
00:38:34,045 --> 00:38:36,047
that tack with cheap
1271
00:38:36,047 --> 00:38:36,814
mineral spirits,
1272
00:38:36,814 --> 00:38:37,581
and all of a sudden they're
1273
00:38:37,581 --> 00:38:38,582
wiping a contaminant.
1274
00:38:40,084 --> 00:38:42,119
But I did say,
1275
00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:44,889
you know, so you called me and asked me
1276
00:38:44,889 --> 00:38:45,523
what to do,
1277
00:38:45,523 --> 00:38:46,891
and then
1278
00:38:46,891 --> 00:38:48,392
I go, why didn't you start with I.
1279
00:38:48,392 --> 00:38:50,394
And he goes, well, you know,
1280
00:38:50,394 --> 00:38:52,063
you know, my wife said maybe check with
1281
00:38:52,063 --> 00:38:54,498
I was like, okay, well,
1282
00:38:54,498 --> 00:38:56,400
whatever you want. Blame your wife.
1283
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:56,967
Okay. Yeah.
1284
00:38:56,967 --> 00:38:57,735
Is that,
1285
00:38:57,735 --> 00:38:58,569
that we that
1286
00:38:58,569 --> 00:39:00,071
that kind of guy you are right.
1287
00:39:00,071 --> 00:39:03,074
Yeah. Yeah.
1288
00:39:03,274 --> 00:39:05,409
So so I told him, he goes.
1289
00:39:05,409 --> 00:39:06,711
So, you know, what should I do?
1290
00:39:06,711 --> 00:39:09,513
I go, well,
1291
00:39:09,513 --> 00:39:09,880
Mr.
1292
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:10,681
Homeowner,
1293
00:39:10,681 --> 00:39:11,615
now you have to go back
1294
00:39:11,615 --> 00:39:13,184
and rent the sander again
1295
00:39:13,184 --> 00:39:14,385
and sand the floor.
1296
00:39:14,385 --> 00:39:16,220
So we actually did it.
1297
00:39:16,220 --> 00:39:16,987
He missed it.
1298
00:39:16,987 --> 00:39:18,589
The floor.
1299
00:39:18,589 --> 00:39:20,358
Well, he missed it.
1300
00:39:20,358 --> 00:39:22,460
The floor I go.
1301
00:39:22,460 --> 00:39:24,729
Yeah, here's my recommendation.
1302
00:39:24,729 --> 00:39:26,063
Sand everything off.
1303
00:39:26,063 --> 00:39:27,431
I go.
1304
00:39:27,431 --> 00:39:29,734
Do your last two cuts, 80 and 120.
1305
00:39:29,734 --> 00:39:30,634
However you did it
1306
00:39:30,634 --> 00:39:33,637
before doing 80 and 120.
1307
00:39:33,704 --> 00:39:34,138
Yeah.
1308
00:39:34,138 --> 00:39:37,875
I said, because I'm not a big fan of,
1309
00:39:39,076 --> 00:39:39,810
you know, I go, where'd
1310
00:39:39,810 --> 00:39:40,611
you get the metal spare?
1311
00:39:40,611 --> 00:39:41,812
So he goes, oh, I got Lowe's.
1312
00:39:41,812 --> 00:39:42,546
I'm like,
1313
00:39:42,546 --> 00:39:44,982
so you really don't know
1314
00:39:44,982 --> 00:39:46,050
what's what's in there?
1315
00:39:46,050 --> 00:39:48,052
I mean, you know, if you said, well,
1316
00:39:48,052 --> 00:39:49,787
I went to a really good,
1317
00:39:49,787 --> 00:39:50,354
very,
1318
00:39:50,354 --> 00:39:51,822
you know, flooring distributor
1319
00:39:51,822 --> 00:39:53,958
and got 100% virgin mineral spirits.
1320
00:39:53,958 --> 00:39:54,725
Yeah.
1321
00:39:54,725 --> 00:39:55,659
I said, yeah,
1322
00:39:55,659 --> 00:39:58,662
but even then I said, you know.
1323
00:40:00,197 --> 00:40:01,866
So the guy, the guy's like, boy,
1324
00:40:01,866 --> 00:40:02,733
I really screwed up.
1325
00:40:02,733 --> 00:40:05,403
And I'm like, well, yeah,
1326
00:40:05,403 --> 00:40:06,070
yeah, yeah,
1327
00:40:06,070 --> 00:40:06,771
you really screwed up
1328
00:40:06,771 --> 00:40:08,205
because you pissed me off.
1329
00:40:08,205 --> 00:40:10,541
That's why. Yeah, you know what I mean?
1330
00:40:10,541 --> 00:40:11,909
You should say you should told me.
1331
00:40:11,909 --> 00:40:14,879
I asked you
1332
00:40:14,879 --> 00:40:17,581
when they have a flooring question.
1333
00:40:17,581 --> 00:40:20,584
You're not going to believe this.
1334
00:40:20,751 --> 00:40:22,319
So now I hang up with the guy
1335
00:40:23,287 --> 00:40:24,889
and of course Pauline is
1336
00:40:24,889 --> 00:40:26,323
listening the whole time
1337
00:40:26,323 --> 00:40:27,091
and she's like, boy
1338
00:40:27,091 --> 00:40:29,427
you've really handled that good.
1339
00:40:29,427 --> 00:40:30,227
She goes I was just,
1340
00:40:30,227 --> 00:40:31,462
I was really upset with it.
1341
00:40:31,462 --> 00:40:33,297
I you know to
1342
00:40:33,297 --> 00:40:36,267
because for this, this is Pauline's
1343
00:40:36,267 --> 00:40:37,835
and this is like a TV show for her.
1344
00:40:37,835 --> 00:40:38,502
Yeah. Yeah.
1345
00:40:38,502 --> 00:40:40,104
When I'm doing tech calls
1346
00:40:40,104 --> 00:40:40,938
and the speaker.
1347
00:40:40,938 --> 00:40:41,739
Right. Yeah.
1348
00:40:41,739 --> 00:40:44,742
This is her reality TV.
1349
00:40:44,842 --> 00:40:47,511
I did.
1350
00:40:47,511 --> 00:40:48,779
Right? Yeah.
1351
00:40:48,779 --> 00:40:51,782
I two different eyes
1352
00:40:51,982 --> 00:40:54,985
and asked the same exact question.
1353
00:40:55,186 --> 00:40:57,455
One said absolutely
1354
00:40:57,455 --> 00:41:00,458
what he did okay.
1355
00:41:00,591 --> 00:41:02,827
And the other one said
1356
00:41:02,827 --> 00:41:05,830
do not put mineral spirits on it.
1357
00:41:05,930 --> 00:41:08,365
No kidding. Yeah.
1358
00:41:08,365 --> 00:41:11,135
The other one said, almost like
1359
00:41:11,135 --> 00:41:14,138
asked Wayne I what to do.
1360
00:41:14,371 --> 00:41:16,373
She code it right?
1361
00:41:16,373 --> 00:41:19,376
So the only thing I can figure is
1362
00:41:20,044 --> 00:41:21,812
there is a lot of,
1363
00:41:23,180 --> 00:41:23,981
old specs
1364
00:41:23,981 --> 00:41:24,448
out there,
1365
00:41:24,448 --> 00:41:26,550
specs that were written in the 60s
1366
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:27,818
and 70s.
1367
00:41:27,818 --> 00:41:30,554
You really see a lot with sport,
1368
00:41:30,554 --> 00:41:32,690
you know, with,
1369
00:41:32,690 --> 00:41:34,758
architects,
1370
00:41:34,758 --> 00:41:36,694
you know, you'll see a sport
1371
00:41:36,694 --> 00:41:38,162
quote come through
1372
00:41:38,162 --> 00:41:39,363
and we'll say to do
1373
00:41:39,363 --> 00:41:41,799
these crazy things that we used to do
1374
00:41:41,799 --> 00:41:43,567
back in the 70s
1375
00:41:43,567 --> 00:41:44,535
with mineral spirits
1376
00:41:44,535 --> 00:41:45,436
and things like that.
1377
00:41:45,436 --> 00:41:48,739
So, you know, I think sometimes a I might
1378
00:41:49,340 --> 00:41:50,140
just get Ahold
1379
00:41:50,140 --> 00:41:52,409
of some really old information.
1380
00:41:52,409 --> 00:41:54,812
Yeah. And, and spit it out there.
1381
00:41:54,812 --> 00:41:55,679
You'll get a world
1382
00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:57,681
class architectural firm with respect.
1383
00:41:57,681 --> 00:41:58,349
They'll tell you.
1384
00:41:58,349 --> 00:42:00,150
You still between coats?
1385
00:42:00,150 --> 00:42:00,551
Yeah.
1386
00:42:00,551 --> 00:42:01,385
Did it,
1387
00:42:01,385 --> 00:42:01,752
I mean,
1388
00:42:01,752 --> 00:42:03,721
so yeah, it's just boiler
1389
00:42:03,721 --> 00:42:05,723
plate specs from ages ago.
1390
00:42:05,723 --> 00:42:06,991
All right. Yes.
1391
00:42:06,991 --> 00:42:09,226
We gotta wrap this up.
1392
00:42:09,226 --> 00:42:10,761
Thanks, Rob. That is good stuff, man.
1393
00:42:10,761 --> 00:42:12,997
Just just, just for the hell of it.
1394
00:42:12,997 --> 00:42:14,965
The first exotic floor I ever had in
1395
00:42:14,965 --> 00:42:17,735
my life was an Australian press box.
1396
00:42:17,735 --> 00:42:19,436
A pinkish brown, beautiful floor.
1397
00:42:19,436 --> 00:42:20,971
And also retail.
1398
00:42:20,971 --> 00:42:22,673
Yeah. First one.
1399
00:42:22,673 --> 00:42:23,707
All right. Do anything to you?
1400
00:42:24,909 --> 00:42:25,676
That beautiful?
1401
00:42:25,676 --> 00:42:27,811
Yeah, I really like it. Okay. Yeah, yeah.
1402
00:42:27,811 --> 00:42:28,812
All right.
1403
00:42:28,812 --> 00:42:29,980
This has been another episode
1404
00:42:29,980 --> 00:42:31,615
of On the Floor with Wayne and Rob.
1405
00:42:31,615 --> 00:42:33,250
Please stay tuned for another episode.