On The Floor with Wayne and Rob

Rob Got Screwed

Episode Summary

Wayne has a field day revisiting the Art of the Estimate episode and how Rob's basement project turned out. They also discuss risk assessment on jobs and the importance of factoring that into the jobs you bid. Follow Bona US Professional online: Website: https://www1.bona.com/en-us/professional/ Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/BonaProfessional Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bonauspro/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bonapro.us/

Episode Transcription

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Hello.

 

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Welcome to another

 

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episode of On the Floor

 

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with Wayne and Rob

 

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and Wayne Highlander

 

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Director of sales for Bona Adhesives.

 

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And I'm Rob Johnson from Bona Training.

 

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How are you doing, Rob?

 

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Good, very good.

 

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How are you doing?

 

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I'm doing fantastic.

 

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Why did you get that cat

 

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to swallow the canary grin on your face?

 

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I think this is absolutely hilarious.

 

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Did an episode back

 

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called The Art of the Estimate,

 

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and during that, Rob

 

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uses an example in his own house.

 

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He was going to have

 

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some work done in his basement,

 

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and it was long overdue.

 

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And, you know, this is a big deal.

 

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And he really wanted to get it done

 

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and he's excited about it.

 

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He had someone come out

 

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and give an estimate for the job

 

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and he was over the moon,

 

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how professional they were,

 

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and that he wanted

 

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to be an advocate for them.

 

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And he didn't even want to.

 

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He was hoping

 

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the other two estimates

 

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were going to come in wrong or too high,

 

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or they didn't return the calls.

 

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He was so excited

 

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about how good they were.

 

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Matter of fact,

 

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Chris, can you roll an excerpt

 

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from that episode real quick?

 

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I knew they were

 

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going to be more expensive, but it

 

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didn't hurt.

 

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It doesn't hurt, you know, I mean,

 

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they have gone

 

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way over and above what I ever thought.

 

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They haven't even done the job yet.

 

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And I'm already recommending this company

 

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out there.

 

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Yeah, and they haven't done the work.

 

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Wow. Yeah.

 

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How crazy is that?

 

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So, Rob, tell us how it went.

 

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This company

 

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that was so good,

 

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you called me aside from the show

 

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and said,

 

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I can't believe how professional

 

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these people were,

 

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how good they were, how professional.

 

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I mean, this

 

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they answered the phone calls.

 

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They kept them every step of the way.

 

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How did it how did it go for you?

 

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Can I let me try to give you an analogy.

 

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Yeah.

 

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You know, when you see the Big Mac on

 

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a TV commercial,

 

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right?

 

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The Big Mac

 

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or even

 

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when you go to McDonald's

 

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and you look up on the board

 

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and there's just as that

 

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that beautiful Big Mac, you're just

 

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layers of perfection.

 

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That is what I went through. Okay.

 

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Because when you order the Big Mac.

 

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Yeah, but it's like half the size.

 

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Yeah, it's all squished up.

 

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Yeah.

 

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You mean born outside of it

 

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and everything? Excuse my language.

 

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Yeah. Yeah.

 

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So that's how this went.

 

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I ordered the Big Mac

 

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right off of the marketing piece and not.

 

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It has been a disaster, an absolute

 

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disaster,

 

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where the women

 

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and they started

 

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working and 2 hours into the job,

 

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they said,

 

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we really can't go much further.

 

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Oh, it's going to be another $40,000

 

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on a $16,000 job.

 

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So, you know, I'm

 

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and I'm like, what?

 

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What?

 

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What are you talking about?

 

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Another another 40 grand.

 

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He goes, Well, you know, you got this.

 

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You get that.

 

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And he goes,

 

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Then we really can't go much further.

 

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I go,

 

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Look, dude,

 

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I'm going to sign contract 16 grand.

 

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I didn't have a dry basement.

 

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And he's like, wow,

 

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you know, you need a new floor.

 

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You need to inject the walls,

 

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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

 

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It's probably going to be

 

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another $40,000.

 

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I said, Well, just,

 

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you know, do what you're doing.

 

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Just just stick to the original contract.

 

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And he goes, No, we really can't.

 

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And I go, Well,

 

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what the hell are you talking about?

 

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I go, Well, yeah,

 

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where am I supposed

 

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to come up with another 40 grand

 

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first off?

 

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And I would have never done any of this

 

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if you told me that

 

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the price was going to be $56,000,

 

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I would have made

 

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a different plan, right?

 

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I said, Why can't we

 

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do what

 

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we're supposed to do to your contract

 

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and then do the floor

 

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and then do the walls?

 

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And he goes, Wow,

 

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that's kind of backwards.

 

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I go, Well, so isn't the estimate.

 

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Then, then why didn't you tell me that?

 

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I never would have went

 

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for any of this stuff.

 

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Well, then it was downhill from there.

 

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From there it went downhill.

 

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And the saleslady is like,

 

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Yeah, hey, no problem.

 

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You know,

 

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we'll we'll show you some financing.

 

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And I'm like, Well,

 

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what the hell is going on?

 

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I never do in my life

 

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to the point to the point where I said

 

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I did a freakin podcast about you guys.

 

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I did a podcast about

 

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and I said, I'm

 

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a very important person

 

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in the wood floor.

 

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Yeah, yeah.

 

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And I spread the gospel of your company,

 

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and you guys are now doing this to me.

 

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I go,

 

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you're going to have about 80,000 people.

 

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That is

 

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what's really going on here

 

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that I don't know.

 

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It is absolutely hilarious to me.

 

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I'm sorry. Are you going to do it, man?

 

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It's so funny, right?

 

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It's the worst thing that Paul and I

 

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have been through in a long time.

 

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And you can't wipe

 

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the smile off of your face

 

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and you know what?

 

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I got it coming.

 

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The podcast was about

 

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the art of the estimate and.

 

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Super.

 

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Professional. Yes.

 

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You held them up as the gold standard

 

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and it was basically Friday.

 

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I still do.

 

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I still do.

 

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Okay.

 

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It was like my dad used to say, though

 

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the easiest sell in the world

 

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is the salesman. Yeah, right.

 

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That's the easiest sell in the world. So

 

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I was sold very easily.

 

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But, you know,

 

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I was just

 

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so excited

 

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to see such a professional company.

 

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So listen

 

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to take that a step further.

 

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There's more to the art of the estimate

 

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than the estimate.

 

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If you're going to give the gold

 

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standard of estimates,

 

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then the entire experience

 

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should be the gold standard.

 

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Yeah. Okay.

 

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Yep.

 

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Now, you know,

 

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I'm always talking about my son.

 

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I told you.

 

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I've told everybody.

 

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He's much better

 

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at doing flaws than I ever was.

 

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He's got a great guy.

 

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He's meticulous.

 

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He's a he is the gold standard.

 

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He's the guy who does even more.

 

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That's on the estimate for people.

 

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Yep. You know what I mean?

 

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His pieces are super high, but

 

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nobody ever, in the end goes, boy,

 

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you know, allowed us to get more, right?

 

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Yeah, always.

 

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They're like,

 

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oh, they can't wait to rave about him.

 

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Yep.

 

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We're this company.

 

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I'm like, You're kidding me.

 

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I mean, this is a freaking

 

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war with you people.

 

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And this

 

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and this bait and switch,

 

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like, hey, pulling on your drawing.

 

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Grab that 40 grand that we get. Yeah.

 

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Kicking around.

 

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Yeah.

 

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It can't go any further until.

 

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I you know, it's like,

 

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what were these

 

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and what were they thinking?

 

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You know.

 

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Unless you have the like,

 

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I mean, yeah,

 

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we all know

 

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in the day

 

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or even today, obviously today

 

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because you got it

 

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that someone would get into the tub,

 

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turn around with you in a couple hours.

 

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You go, Oh, by the way,

 

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we need another three times

 

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more than we said it was going to be.

 

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But we can't go any further.

 

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Yeah, we're going to tell you,

 

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like we're going to triple your price.

 

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Exactly.

 

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Yeah,

 

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we're going to

 

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more than triple your price

 

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because we really can't go

 

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a step further.

 

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What the hell are you talking about?

 

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You can't go any further.

 

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So let me ask you this now.

 

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Were there any red flags at all

 

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on the way?

 

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No, no, no.

 

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You wanted to believe?

 

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Absolutely not.

 

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00:08:23,703 --> 00:08:25,271

There were absolutely

 

265

00:08:26,305 --> 00:08:27,139

no.

 

266

00:08:27,139 --> 00:08:29,642

They never during the estimate,

 

267

00:08:30,142 --> 00:08:31,644

they never mentioned

 

268

00:08:31,644 --> 00:08:34,680

injecting the walls for $21,000.

 

269

00:08:34,680 --> 00:08:36,449

She never mentioned that.

 

270

00:08:36,449 --> 00:08:39,085

She never mentioned. We do pause.

 

271

00:08:39,085 --> 00:08:41,320

We poor floors, you know.

 

272

00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:42,788

Now, I knew

 

273

00:08:42,788 --> 00:08:44,023

I was going to need a new floor,

 

274

00:08:44,023 --> 00:08:44,991

but I was going to

 

275

00:08:44,991 --> 00:08:46,392

I thought I was going to do

 

276

00:08:46,392 --> 00:08:47,660

the Lord of Crete thing.

 

277

00:08:47,660 --> 00:08:48,027

Yeah.

 

278

00:08:48,027 --> 00:08:49,161

That's why I was so happy

 

279

00:08:49,161 --> 00:08:49,996

that we did the lottery.

 

280

00:08:49,996 --> 00:08:52,231

I think I even mentioned it to you like

 

281

00:08:52,231 --> 00:08:53,599

I was talking to the guy about,

 

282

00:08:53,599 --> 00:08:55,434

you know, how to do my cellar

 

283

00:08:55,434 --> 00:08:57,503

and you know everything.

 

284

00:08:57,503 --> 00:09:00,473

And next thing you know, it's like, no,

 

285

00:09:00,473 --> 00:09:02,241

you got to do the walls and floor

 

286

00:09:02,241 --> 00:09:04,644

first before we do the French drain

 

287

00:09:04,644 --> 00:09:05,545

and dig everything out.

 

288

00:09:05,545 --> 00:09:08,247

And I'm like, well.

 

289

00:09:08,247 --> 00:09:10,583

So, so, okay, so here we are.

 

290

00:09:10,583 --> 00:09:12,652

Now you tell them, look,

 

291

00:09:12,718 --> 00:09:13,586

I mean, this is crazy.

 

292

00:09:13,586 --> 00:09:15,388

I'm I'm not going any further.

 

293

00:09:15,388 --> 00:09:17,323

I mean, you know, $40,000 laying around.

 

294

00:09:17,323 --> 00:09:18,724

That's not what you told me.

 

295

00:09:18,724 --> 00:09:19,659

They say, well,

 

296

00:09:19,659 --> 00:09:20,793

we have to do it that way.

 

297

00:09:20,793 --> 00:09:22,428

It's it's aspect

 

298

00:09:22,428 --> 00:09:23,362

where you have to the walls

 

299

00:09:23,362 --> 00:09:26,566

first, blah, blah.

 

300

00:09:26,566 --> 00:09:28,834

How can they justify the bid then?

 

301

00:09:29,602 --> 00:09:30,670

You know what I mean?

 

302

00:09:30,703 --> 00:09:31,804

Where does where does

 

303

00:09:31,804 --> 00:09:33,239

where does it go from there?

 

304

00:09:33,239 --> 00:09:34,974

I have no idea.

 

305

00:09:34,974 --> 00:09:35,741

I have no idea.

 

306

00:09:35,741 --> 00:09:38,911

And they had trenched out about

 

307

00:09:38,911 --> 00:09:41,314

three quarters of the cellar.

 

308

00:09:42,181 --> 00:09:42,682

Wow.

 

309

00:09:43,783 --> 00:09:44,684

They trenched it all.

 

310

00:09:44,684 --> 00:09:45,651

It was all trenched out.

 

311

00:09:45,651 --> 00:09:46,018

I mean,

 

312

00:09:46,018 --> 00:09:46,252

you know,

 

313

00:09:46,252 --> 00:09:48,154

they can move jackhammers and

 

314

00:09:48,154 --> 00:09:49,855

trash everything out.

 

315

00:09:49,855 --> 00:09:51,657

So where does it where does it so?

 

316

00:09:51,657 --> 00:09:53,259

So he says, so what do you want me to do?

 

317

00:09:53,259 --> 00:09:53,859

I go,

 

318

00:09:53,859 --> 00:09:55,328

I want you to do the freaking job

 

319

00:09:55,328 --> 00:09:56,762

that I paid for.

 

320

00:09:56,762 --> 00:09:57,363

Yeah.

 

321

00:09:57,363 --> 00:09:59,432

Just do the job that I paid for.

 

322

00:10:00,533 --> 00:10:02,234

Because all of a sudden I'm thinking,

 

323

00:10:02,234 --> 00:10:05,471

if ever you ever go to the Jiffy Lube,

 

324

00:10:05,671 --> 00:10:06,105

you know.

 

325

00:10:06,105 --> 00:10:08,407

Quick, quick oil change going to do that.

 

326

00:10:08,407 --> 00:10:10,276

And then they they go, hey,

 

327

00:10:10,276 --> 00:10:10,743

you know,

 

328

00:10:10,743 --> 00:10:11,510

your car's in there

 

329

00:10:11,510 --> 00:10:12,612

for a couple of minutes.

 

330

00:10:12,612 --> 00:10:13,746

And they go,

 

331

00:10:13,746 --> 00:10:15,147

I don't know if they do it around you,

 

332

00:10:15,147 --> 00:10:17,216

but here they go.

 

333

00:10:17,216 --> 00:10:17,550

Mr.

 

334

00:10:17,550 --> 00:10:18,985

Johnson, can we talk to you for a minute?

 

335

00:10:18,985 --> 00:10:19,885

And they bring you back

 

336

00:10:19,885 --> 00:10:21,354

and they show you a computer

 

337

00:10:21,354 --> 00:10:23,122

and they say you need your transmission.

 

338

00:10:23,122 --> 00:10:24,357

Flush, need your brake system

 

339

00:10:24,357 --> 00:10:25,324

flush, you need

 

340

00:10:25,324 --> 00:10:25,992

you need about

 

341

00:10:25,992 --> 00:10:28,127

another $700 worth of work.

 

342

00:10:29,028 --> 00:10:31,230

And I'm like, No, I'm good.

 

343

00:10:31,230 --> 00:10:32,898

I can do that myself, you know?

 

344

00:10:32,898 --> 00:10:35,401

Yeah, just yeah, I'll do it myself.

 

345

00:10:36,435 --> 00:10:36,802

I can't

 

346

00:10:36,802 --> 00:10:37,403

do doing oil

 

347

00:10:37,403 --> 00:10:38,904

change, but right now,

 

348

00:10:38,904 --> 00:10:40,172

flush my training myself.

 

349

00:10:40,172 --> 00:10:41,173

Don't worry about it, you know?

 

350

00:10:41,173 --> 00:10:41,574

Yeah, yeah.

 

351

00:10:41,574 --> 00:10:42,475

You just.

 

352

00:10:42,475 --> 00:10:45,745

Just change oil get

 

353

00:10:45,745 --> 00:10:47,947

I felt so I'm starting to feel.

 

354

00:10:47,947 --> 00:10:50,249

Is this what this is?

 

355

00:10:50,282 --> 00:10:51,550

Well, here's the thing, though.

 

356

00:10:51,550 --> 00:10:52,652

You can never feel good

 

357

00:10:52,652 --> 00:10:54,253

about what they're going to do

 

358

00:10:54,253 --> 00:10:55,921

because they told you

 

359

00:10:55,921 --> 00:10:57,123

that the other has to be done

 

360

00:10:57,123 --> 00:10:58,557

first, which I can see that

 

361

00:10:58,557 --> 00:10:59,492

it makes sense.

 

362

00:10:59,492 --> 00:11:00,793

So how can you possibly feel good

 

363

00:11:00,793 --> 00:11:01,761

about what they're going to do?

 

364

00:11:01,761 --> 00:11:03,429

You're going to pay them for now.

 

365

00:11:03,429 --> 00:11:03,996

Right.

 

366

00:11:04,330 --> 00:11:04,864

Right.

 

367

00:11:05,131 --> 00:11:07,233

So again, where is it sitting?

 

368

00:11:08,100 --> 00:11:09,001

So

 

369

00:11:12,705 --> 00:11:13,172

they have this

 

370

00:11:13,172 --> 00:11:15,474

like plastic moisture barrier

 

371

00:11:16,842 --> 00:11:17,677

that they put down

 

372

00:11:17,677 --> 00:11:21,047

just in case any of the moisture

 

373

00:11:21,547 --> 00:11:22,982

coming up through the floor.

 

374

00:11:22,982 --> 00:11:25,451

Okay.

 

375

00:11:25,451 --> 00:11:27,019

But I think 90% of it's come

 

376

00:11:27,019 --> 00:11:27,653

in through the wall.

 

377

00:11:28,888 --> 00:11:30,956

So they did the whole French drain thing.

 

378

00:11:31,490 --> 00:11:33,059

They put weep holes in the wall

 

379

00:11:33,059 --> 00:11:33,659

and everything.

 

380

00:11:33,659 --> 00:11:36,062

And it's just been amazing.

 

381

00:11:36,062 --> 00:11:36,929

I mean,

 

382

00:11:37,163 --> 00:11:39,899

when he started, the humidity was over

 

383

00:11:39,932 --> 00:11:43,869

almost 90% and now it's down to about 45.

 

384

00:11:43,869 --> 00:11:45,905

So what they did is work and great.

 

385

00:11:46,272 --> 00:11:47,707

Okay. Okay.

 

386

00:11:47,707 --> 00:11:48,941

I mean, the pumps are running.

 

387

00:11:48,941 --> 00:11:50,076

The place is dry.

 

388

00:11:50,076 --> 00:11:51,377

I mean, you can really feel

 

389

00:11:51,377 --> 00:11:52,411

it, smell it, see it.

 

390

00:11:52,411 --> 00:11:55,381

The whole thing is is great.

 

391

00:11:55,381 --> 00:11:56,615

And he goes, well,

 

392

00:11:56,615 --> 00:11:57,483

you know,

 

393

00:11:57,483 --> 00:12:00,286

we'll put the plastic thing in here

 

394

00:12:00,286 --> 00:12:01,320

and any

 

395

00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,356

water coming up from the ground will

 

396

00:12:04,356 --> 00:12:04,924

once you pour

 

397

00:12:04,924 --> 00:12:07,226

the concrete on top of this barrier

 

398

00:12:07,860 --> 00:12:08,427

type thing.

 

399

00:12:08,427 --> 00:12:09,528

So that's where it is now.

 

400

00:12:09,528 --> 00:12:11,664

I mean, everything works great.

 

401

00:12:11,664 --> 00:12:13,966

The dehumidifier they put in is amazing,

 

402

00:12:13,966 --> 00:12:15,634

you know? I mean, we're pumping,

 

403

00:12:17,069 --> 00:12:18,137

you know, what, a ton

 

404

00:12:18,137 --> 00:12:19,238

of water,

 

405

00:12:19,238 --> 00:12:19,905

the basement

 

406

00:12:19,905 --> 00:12:21,173

and the we pulled from the wall

 

407

00:12:21,173 --> 00:12:22,174

and all that stuff.

 

408

00:12:22,174 --> 00:12:23,776

Okay, so I'm trying.

 

409

00:12:23,776 --> 00:12:25,644

I'm thinking, are they.

 

410

00:12:25,644 --> 00:12:27,880

Yeah, it was it's just a B.S. thing that.

 

411

00:12:28,013 --> 00:12:28,514

Yeah.

 

412

00:12:28,647 --> 00:12:28,981

You know,

 

413

00:12:28,981 --> 00:12:30,683

they're trying to Jiffy Lube here.

 

414

00:12:30,683 --> 00:12:31,951

Yeah. Yeah.

 

415

00:12:31,951 --> 00:12:33,919

Or was it really needed. Yeah, you can.

 

416

00:12:33,919 --> 00:12:34,820

Or is it neat?

 

417

00:12:34,820 --> 00:12:36,989

Like, I know I need a new floor.

 

418

00:12:36,989 --> 00:12:39,792

Yeah, you know, I knew I needed that.

 

419

00:12:40,292 --> 00:12:42,128

But here's the no.

 

420

00:12:42,128 --> 00:12:43,963

Is it?

 

421

00:12:43,963 --> 00:12:46,098

So the kid who's working here and now,

 

422

00:12:46,098 --> 00:12:46,832

the three guys

 

423

00:12:46,832 --> 00:12:49,668

that they got working here, three kids.

 

424

00:12:49,668 --> 00:12:51,403

Awesome kids.

 

425

00:12:52,037 --> 00:12:52,471

Awesome.

 

426

00:12:52,471 --> 00:12:53,539

And the kid keeps saying to me,

 

427

00:12:53,539 --> 00:12:55,474

he goes, yeah, I, I feel I'm sorry.

 

428

00:12:55,474 --> 00:12:56,208

He goes, I'm sorry.

 

429

00:12:56,208 --> 00:12:57,243

I'm the one who says, Keep down

 

430

00:12:57,243 --> 00:12:58,410

all this stuff.

 

431

00:12:58,744 --> 00:12:59,612

I said, I get it.

 

432

00:12:59,612 --> 00:13:01,680

And these kids work their stuff.

 

433

00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:03,482

They came in on Sunday.

 

434

00:13:03,482 --> 00:13:06,485

They've been doing just an amazing job.

 

435

00:13:06,619 --> 00:13:07,052

Okay.

 

436

00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:09,121

With them.

 

437

00:13:09,121 --> 00:13:09,889

Also trying

 

438

00:13:09,889 --> 00:13:11,323

to deal with

 

439

00:13:11,390 --> 00:13:12,591

their boss and me

 

440

00:13:12,591 --> 00:13:14,360

and, you know, salespeople

 

441

00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,228

and all this know.

 

442

00:13:16,228 --> 00:13:17,029

Yeah, that is,

 

443

00:13:17,029 --> 00:13:17,396

you know,

 

444

00:13:17,396 --> 00:13:18,497

and these kids are just trying

 

445

00:13:18,497 --> 00:13:19,331

to do a really good job.

 

446

00:13:19,331 --> 00:13:20,299

And I think that

 

447

00:13:20,299 --> 00:13:21,934

I think they did a great job.

 

448

00:13:21,934 --> 00:13:23,402

You know, that's good. It's hard.

 

449

00:13:23,402 --> 00:13:25,304

Working kids did a great job.

 

450

00:13:25,304 --> 00:13:28,140

Pleasure to be around, you know,

 

451

00:13:28,140 --> 00:13:31,143

frankly on time, all that stuff.

 

452

00:13:31,143 --> 00:13:33,712

But oh, my gosh.

 

453

00:13:33,712 --> 00:13:35,347

When you told me what was going on

 

454

00:13:35,347 --> 00:13:37,383

after that episode we had.

 

455

00:13:37,383 --> 00:13:39,451

Oh, I yes, I couldn't believe it.

 

456

00:13:40,953 --> 00:13:42,688

You and me both to the point

 

457

00:13:42,688 --> 00:13:44,723

where I'm yelling at this kid.

 

458

00:13:44,723 --> 00:13:48,394

I did a podcast about you people.

 

459

00:13:48,928 --> 00:13:51,030

I did great. You were.

 

460

00:13:51,530 --> 00:13:53,766

Yeah, you know, here's some of that.

 

461

00:13:53,766 --> 00:13:56,302

All right. I said, okay. All right.

 

462

00:13:56,302 --> 00:13:58,137

How much is a new basement floor?

 

463

00:13:58,137 --> 00:13:58,737

Mm hmm.

 

464

00:13:59,038 --> 00:14:01,140

And he goes, I'll get back to you.

 

465

00:14:01,207 --> 00:14:03,142

He calls the boss or whatever.

 

466

00:14:04,677 --> 00:14:07,446

It's $9,000 for the new basement floor.

 

467

00:14:07,713 --> 00:14:10,683

Wow. I was like, okay,

 

468

00:14:10,683 --> 00:14:13,719

so then they send me the paperwork

 

469

00:14:13,886 --> 00:14:15,387

three days later.

 

470

00:14:16,388 --> 00:14:17,957

Now it's 14,000.

 

471

00:14:17,957 --> 00:14:20,125

Yeah, that's a problem in.

 

472

00:14:20,125 --> 00:14:22,328

14, it went from 9 to 14.

 

473

00:14:22,761 --> 00:14:26,131

So the kid said to me, it's

 

474

00:14:26,131 --> 00:14:27,700

going to be probably around nine.

 

475

00:14:27,700 --> 00:14:29,768

It might be slightly higher. Yeah.

 

476

00:14:29,802 --> 00:14:31,337

So the kid said to me,

 

477

00:14:31,337 --> 00:14:32,671

Did you make up your mind

 

478

00:14:32,671 --> 00:14:33,806

on the basement floor?

 

479

00:14:33,806 --> 00:14:36,375

I go, You told me nine, right?

 

480

00:14:36,842 --> 00:14:37,042

Yeah.

 

481

00:14:37,042 --> 00:14:37,910

He goes, Yeah, nine

 

482

00:14:37,910 --> 00:14:39,044

or maybe a little higher.

 

483

00:14:39,044 --> 00:14:41,714

I go, Yeah, well it just came in at 14.

 

484

00:14:42,982 --> 00:14:45,417

I go, That's $5,000.

 

485

00:14:45,517 --> 00:14:46,685

That's not a little.

 

486

00:14:46,685 --> 00:14:47,953

Yeah, a little.

 

487

00:14:47,953 --> 00:14:50,256

Would have been 800.

 

488

00:14:50,256 --> 00:14:51,790

Yeah. Yeah.

 

489

00:14:51,790 --> 00:14:52,725

Right. Yeah.

 

490

00:14:52,725 --> 00:14:55,160

$5,000 more.

 

491

00:14:55,828 --> 00:14:58,831

Wow. Well I'm,

 

492

00:14:58,831 --> 00:14:59,798

I'm getting in touch

 

493

00:14:59,798 --> 00:15:01,267

with other people to lay the floor

 

494

00:15:01,267 --> 00:15:02,001

and yeah.

 

495

00:15:02,001 --> 00:15:04,637

Yeah, finish this thing, because.

 

496

00:15:04,637 --> 00:15:06,405

That's insane, man.

 

497

00:15:06,405 --> 00:15:07,373

And the smirk,

 

498

00:15:07,373 --> 00:15:09,742

the smile is still on your face.

 

499

00:15:09,742 --> 00:15:12,611

I feel. I feel duped.

 

500

00:15:12,912 --> 00:15:14,013

I really do.

 

501

00:15:14,013 --> 00:15:15,648

Yeah, I was

 

502

00:15:15,648 --> 00:15:17,583

I mean, the things I was saying

 

503

00:15:17,583 --> 00:15:20,019

when I think back to what I was saying

 

504

00:15:20,019 --> 00:15:21,420

there and that,

 

505

00:15:21,487 --> 00:15:23,289

oh, I'm rooting for this company.

 

506

00:15:23,289 --> 00:15:24,924

Oh, my gosh.

 

507

00:15:24,924 --> 00:15:25,724

Okay.

 

508

00:15:25,724 --> 00:15:27,693

I mean, I'm not laughing at you, man.

 

509

00:15:27,693 --> 00:15:29,161

I'm really not.

 

510

00:15:29,161 --> 00:15:32,564

I'm really not me and I it sucks,

 

511

00:15:32,932 --> 00:15:34,600

but it just the timing

 

512

00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:35,701

of everything was just crazy.

 

513

00:15:37,069 --> 00:15:38,871

Unbelievable.

 

514

00:15:38,871 --> 00:15:40,906

Just an unbelievable.

 

515

00:15:41,707 --> 00:15:43,809

And so I think the

 

516

00:15:45,878 --> 00:15:49,682

to follow up on our estimate show

 

517

00:15:49,982 --> 00:15:53,852

is, boy, you better just

 

518

00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,222

I think what this company did was a way

 

519

00:15:57,222 --> 00:15:58,624

overpromised and way

 

520

00:15:58,624 --> 00:16:00,859

under-delivered where it should be

 

521

00:16:01,193 --> 00:16:02,761

the other way around,

 

522

00:16:02,761 --> 00:16:03,729

make some promises,

 

523

00:16:03,729 --> 00:16:04,930

but always over deliver.

 

524

00:16:04,930 --> 00:16:07,166

People are going to feel better.

 

525

00:16:07,266 --> 00:16:10,202

One mistake when contractors underbid

 

526

00:16:10,202 --> 00:16:12,905

a project is that now

 

527

00:16:14,573 --> 00:16:15,441

goes next.

 

528

00:16:15,441 --> 00:16:15,808

You know,

 

529

00:16:15,808 --> 00:16:16,475

there's a quality

 

530

00:16:16,475 --> 00:16:17,476

go to

 

531

00:16:17,476 --> 00:16:19,278

the quality of the materials, go

 

532

00:16:19,278 --> 00:16:20,813

the quality of the workmanship, go

 

533

00:16:20,813 --> 00:16:21,880

what are the

 

534

00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:22,181

you know,

 

535

00:16:22,181 --> 00:16:23,515

then like, you know,

 

536

00:16:23,515 --> 00:16:24,817

you got to be worried about,

 

537

00:16:24,817 --> 00:16:26,552

well, how are they going to make this up?

 

538

00:16:26,552 --> 00:16:27,853

I mean, we had to cut corners somewhere.

 

539

00:16:27,853 --> 00:16:28,954

I'm sure they're like you said,

 

540

00:16:28,954 --> 00:16:30,356

they're fine now.

 

541

00:16:31,123 --> 00:16:31,357

You know,

 

542

00:16:31,357 --> 00:16:31,724

you could do

 

543

00:16:31,724 --> 00:16:34,059

is put your house up on stilts.

 

544

00:16:34,059 --> 00:16:35,327

I was thinking,

 

545

00:16:35,327 --> 00:16:39,398

you know, the companies that do that.

 

546

00:16:39,398 --> 00:16:40,833

Thanks for that idea.

 

547

00:16:40,833 --> 00:16:42,234

Yeah, I appreciate. That.

 

548

00:16:42,234 --> 00:16:43,369

Using that in your neck of the woods.

 

549

00:16:43,369 --> 00:16:44,903

Yes, it's in Florida around the oceans.

 

550

00:16:44,903 --> 00:16:46,071

But you could be like the first guy

 

551

00:16:46,071 --> 00:16:47,306

in the neighborhood.

 

552

00:16:47,306 --> 00:16:48,907

And then when people actually got

 

553

00:16:48,907 --> 00:16:51,710

basements, I mean, you know, really.

 

554

00:16:52,444 --> 00:16:53,112

At one point

 

555

00:16:53,112 --> 00:16:53,712

I was just thinking,

 

556

00:16:53,712 --> 00:16:54,279

what would it cost

 

557

00:16:54,279 --> 00:16:55,547

just to fill the hole cellar

 

558

00:16:55,547 --> 00:16:58,150

and just fill the whole cellar? Just just

 

559

00:16:59,218 --> 00:16:59,651

pull a

 

560

00:16:59,651 --> 00:17:00,753

concrete truck up to

 

561

00:17:00,753 --> 00:17:03,055

there and just load it up. Just fill it.

 

562

00:17:03,655 --> 00:17:04,590

Will sink one,

 

563

00:17:04,590 --> 00:17:04,890

you know,

 

564

00:17:04,890 --> 00:17:08,794

one foot at a time for the next 30 years.

 

565

00:17:08,794 --> 00:17:11,230

You know, on top of everything.

 

566

00:17:11,864 --> 00:17:12,364

I don't know

 

567

00:17:12,364 --> 00:17:14,666

what's going on around you, but

 

568

00:17:14,666 --> 00:17:15,634

this is definitely

 

569

00:17:15,634 --> 00:17:17,302

one of the wettest seasons

 

570

00:17:17,302 --> 00:17:19,471

I've ever seen since I've lived there.

 

571

00:17:19,471 --> 00:17:20,939

You know something?

 

572

00:17:20,939 --> 00:17:21,774

For the first time

 

573

00:17:21,774 --> 00:17:23,242

that I've lived in this house,

 

574

00:17:23,242 --> 00:17:25,244

I have doors that stick.

 

575

00:17:25,244 --> 00:17:26,378

When I open and close the door,

 

576

00:17:26,378 --> 00:17:28,313

it really. Yeah.

 

577

00:17:28,313 --> 00:17:30,249

And I've got to just the slightest

 

578

00:17:30,249 --> 00:17:31,917

the lightest light is little small

 

579

00:17:31,917 --> 00:17:34,386

cup in my, my living room.

 

580

00:17:34,953 --> 00:17:36,221

Put an air mover downstairs

 

581

00:17:36,221 --> 00:17:36,989

and I've done some things

 

582

00:17:36,989 --> 00:17:37,723

open the doors up

 

583

00:17:37,723 --> 00:17:38,490

down there and everything.

 

584

00:17:38,490 --> 00:17:39,858

But that's unusual.

 

585

00:17:39,858 --> 00:17:40,559

I've never had this in

 

586

00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:41,460

nine years I've been here.

 

587

00:17:42,728 --> 00:17:44,663

So yeah, we've had a very wet

 

588

00:17:44,663 --> 00:17:45,397

winter here.

 

589

00:17:45,397 --> 00:17:47,766

So I mean, at one point last year

 

590

00:17:48,700 --> 00:17:49,835

I was watching the pool

 

591

00:17:49,835 --> 00:17:51,603

just get lower and lower and lower

 

592

00:17:51,603 --> 00:17:52,404

and I just

 

593

00:17:52,471 --> 00:17:54,973

and he never wants to fill the pool with

 

594

00:17:54,973 --> 00:17:55,641

from the hose

 

595

00:17:55,641 --> 00:17:56,108

because it's our

 

596

00:17:56,108 --> 00:17:58,610

well so she's afraid that

 

597

00:17:58,610 --> 00:18:00,646

we're just one shower away from the well

 

598

00:18:00,646 --> 00:18:02,681

going right you know. Yeah.

 

599

00:18:02,681 --> 00:18:03,715

So

 

600

00:18:04,616 --> 00:18:06,752

you know the pool water was going.

 

601

00:18:06,752 --> 00:18:08,987

Yeah yeah.

 

602

00:18:08,987 --> 00:18:11,223

So I kept thinking that I might have to

 

603

00:18:11,223 --> 00:18:12,958

get another load of water,

 

604

00:18:12,958 --> 00:18:14,493

you know, because we were losing.

 

605

00:18:14,493 --> 00:18:16,462

So the whole front lawn

 

606

00:18:16,462 --> 00:18:18,197

was just about dead

 

607

00:18:18,197 --> 00:18:20,265

because she won't let me water the lawn.

 

608

00:18:20,265 --> 00:18:21,667

Right. Dry.

 

609

00:18:21,667 --> 00:18:23,335

We have a tree that I decorate

 

610

00:18:23,335 --> 00:18:24,603

every Christmas out front

 

611

00:18:24,603 --> 00:18:26,371

and a big 20 foot, you know,

 

612

00:18:26,371 --> 00:18:27,840

Christmas tree.

 

613

00:18:27,906 --> 00:18:31,210

Half of that tree is like dying, right?

 

614

00:18:31,276 --> 00:18:33,045

Yeah. And this season,

 

615

00:18:34,146 --> 00:18:35,581

the pool has been spilling

 

616

00:18:35,581 --> 00:18:36,782

over all year long.

 

617

00:18:36,782 --> 00:18:39,418

The front lawn looks like

 

618

00:18:39,418 --> 00:18:41,520

a gusta, manicured,

 

619

00:18:41,820 --> 00:18:44,089

beautiful pine tree.

 

620

00:18:44,790 --> 00:18:45,357

That's amazing

 

621

00:18:45,357 --> 00:18:46,825

what a little water will do.

 

622

00:18:46,825 --> 00:18:48,660

Yep. Yep.

 

623

00:18:48,660 --> 00:18:49,761

So I know everybody.

 

624

00:18:49,761 --> 00:18:51,463

That's climate change, I think math.

 

625

00:18:51,463 --> 00:18:52,865

Maybe they just.

 

626

00:18:52,865 --> 00:18:54,399

Maybe somebody upstairs said

 

627

00:18:54,399 --> 00:18:55,467

it's time that they.

 

628

00:18:55,467 --> 00:18:56,702

We get some water out there.

 

629

00:18:56,702 --> 00:18:57,002

Yeah.

 

630

00:18:57,002 --> 00:18:58,303

Yeah, water out there.

 

631

00:18:58,303 --> 00:18:59,371

Hmm.

 

632

00:19:00,038 --> 00:19:00,639

Well, today

 

633

00:19:00,639 --> 00:19:01,740

I was going to talk about

 

634

00:19:01,740 --> 00:19:03,175

risk assessment on jobs,

 

635

00:19:03,175 --> 00:19:04,309

and we never really talked about

 

636

00:19:04,309 --> 00:19:05,511

that is when you build a job,

 

637

00:19:05,511 --> 00:19:06,912

do you look at the risk assessment

 

638

00:19:06,912 --> 00:19:10,749

of what that job is?

 

639

00:19:10,749 --> 00:19:11,850

You know,

 

640

00:19:12,684 --> 00:19:14,786

to be able to standardize things and,

 

641

00:19:14,786 --> 00:19:17,222

you know, make things as automated

 

642

00:19:17,523 --> 00:19:18,423

as you can

 

643

00:19:18,423 --> 00:19:19,591

so everything is like a

 

644

00:19:19,591 --> 00:19:22,027

like a cookie cutter in our industry.

 

645

00:19:22,027 --> 00:19:23,996

I mean, versus

 

646

00:19:23,996 --> 00:19:26,698

taking on, you know, custom jobs

 

647

00:19:26,698 --> 00:19:28,167

like a good,

 

648

00:19:28,167 --> 00:19:28,767

good example

 

649

00:19:28,767 --> 00:19:30,169

is, let's say, a job

 

650

00:19:30,169 --> 00:19:31,670

that someone else in and finish.

 

651

00:19:31,670 --> 00:19:32,771

It looks great.

 

652

00:19:32,771 --> 00:19:34,306

And there were some damages,

 

653

00:19:34,306 --> 00:19:34,540

you know,

 

654

00:19:34,540 --> 00:19:35,874

and they want you to come in

 

655

00:19:35,874 --> 00:19:38,343

and send an area over and repair

 

656

00:19:38,343 --> 00:19:40,312

it and have it match.

 

657

00:19:40,312 --> 00:19:41,446

Okay.

 

658

00:19:41,446 --> 00:19:43,081

That's a custom job.

 

659

00:19:43,081 --> 00:19:45,551

If you look at it, automotive shops

 

660

00:19:45,551 --> 00:19:46,418

that do custom work,

 

661

00:19:46,418 --> 00:19:48,687

they're really highly specialized work.

 

662

00:19:48,687 --> 00:19:50,322

I mean, they charge an absolute fortune

 

663

00:19:50,322 --> 00:19:52,558

and they're very

 

664

00:19:52,558 --> 00:19:53,959

hard to come by, a really good job

 

665

00:19:53,959 --> 00:19:58,397

that does that kind of work.

 

666

00:19:58,397 --> 00:19:59,698

And in floors,

 

667

00:19:59,698 --> 00:20:01,200

if we're doing the same type of thing

 

668

00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:01,900

where it's not, it's

 

669

00:20:01,900 --> 00:20:03,135

not something that you can go

 

670

00:20:03,135 --> 00:20:04,870

in, you just lay new flooring out.

 

671

00:20:04,870 --> 00:20:06,271

You go like a lot of companies

 

672

00:20:06,271 --> 00:20:07,472

have bigger companies

 

673

00:20:07,472 --> 00:20:08,974

don't get don't get really involved

 

674

00:20:08,974 --> 00:20:10,542

in a lot of that

 

675

00:20:10,542 --> 00:20:11,076

those jobs

 

676

00:20:11,076 --> 00:20:12,477

where they're matching custom staff

 

677

00:20:12,477 --> 00:20:13,245

and whatever,

 

678

00:20:13,245 --> 00:20:14,613

they're just in and out

 

679

00:20:14,613 --> 00:20:16,682

like home track builders, for instance.

 

680

00:20:16,682 --> 00:20:17,482

They're going to go in there,

 

681

00:20:17,482 --> 00:20:18,450

they're going to do the same thing.

 

682

00:20:18,450 --> 00:20:19,351

They're going to put the product down.

 

683

00:20:19,351 --> 00:20:20,252

They're going to get out and go.

 

684

00:20:21,420 --> 00:20:23,855

It's all pretty much the same

 

685

00:20:24,823 --> 00:20:26,992

if you're doing that type of work where

 

686

00:20:26,992 --> 00:20:27,993

there's a there's

 

687

00:20:27,993 --> 00:20:30,229

you know, you have to say match it.

 

688

00:20:30,229 --> 00:20:30,862

You know, they

 

689

00:20:30,862 --> 00:20:31,964

are you going in, you got to match it.

 

690

00:20:31,964 --> 00:20:33,131

Exactly.

 

691

00:20:33,131 --> 00:20:34,399

Well you got a pre finished floor

 

692

00:20:34,399 --> 00:20:36,134

with a very thin where layer

 

693

00:20:36,134 --> 00:20:37,469

and they don't want it taken out.

 

694

00:20:37,469 --> 00:20:37,803

They said

 

695

00:20:37,803 --> 00:20:38,203

oh you know

 

696

00:20:38,203 --> 00:20:40,005

they really want you to send it over.

 

697

00:20:40,005 --> 00:20:41,540

You might be hitting,

 

698

00:20:41,540 --> 00:20:43,542

you might be burning through some areas.

 

699

00:20:45,210 --> 00:20:47,012

I think sometimes

 

700

00:20:47,012 --> 00:20:47,980

looking at the risk

 

701

00:20:47,980 --> 00:20:49,514

assessment on the jobs is do

 

702

00:20:49,514 --> 00:20:50,849

I really want this job?

 

703

00:20:50,849 --> 00:20:53,285

Because there's a risk involved.

 

704

00:20:53,285 --> 00:20:55,988

And I just I don't know, I thought

 

705

00:20:56,021 --> 00:20:56,221

was it

 

706

00:20:56,221 --> 00:20:58,690

kind of a good topic to talk about?

 

707

00:20:58,690 --> 00:21:00,492

And you got to get paid for those risks

 

708

00:21:00,492 --> 00:21:02,494

because they're not cookie cutters, man.

 

709

00:21:02,494 --> 00:21:03,528

It brings in highly

 

710

00:21:03,528 --> 00:21:06,265

specialized skill of doing certain things

 

711

00:21:06,265 --> 00:21:06,865

and matching

 

712

00:21:06,865 --> 00:21:09,568

and matching C levels, matching stains.

 

713

00:21:09,968 --> 00:21:10,802

Considering what

 

714

00:21:10,802 --> 00:21:11,970

the sun's going to do to the floor

 

715

00:21:11,970 --> 00:21:14,640

and what the sun has done to the floor.

 

716

00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,110

If the subfloor is, is real, spongy,

 

717

00:21:18,610 --> 00:21:19,878

and now you're going to get the boards

 

718

00:21:19,878 --> 00:21:20,712

moving up and down,

 

719

00:21:20,712 --> 00:21:22,047

you're going to get some white lines

 

720

00:21:22,047 --> 00:21:23,115

because of that.

 

721

00:21:23,115 --> 00:21:23,582

You know,

 

722

00:21:23,582 --> 00:21:25,917

all these things that come into it.

 

723

00:21:25,917 --> 00:21:26,451

And every time

 

724

00:21:26,451 --> 00:21:27,452

I look at these type of things,

 

725

00:21:27,452 --> 00:21:28,320

Rob, to me

 

726

00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,722

it always comes down to communication

 

727

00:21:30,722 --> 00:21:32,924

and sometimes happens.

 

728

00:21:33,425 --> 00:21:34,726

Sometimes it's a red flag to me

 

729

00:21:34,726 --> 00:21:36,528

when things go to smooth,

 

730

00:21:36,528 --> 00:21:37,663

you know, like, you know what I mean?

 

731

00:21:37,663 --> 00:21:39,698

Like, the conversation just.

 

732

00:21:39,698 --> 00:21:41,500

Just seems like it's too easy,

 

733

00:21:41,500 --> 00:21:42,267

you know what I mean?

 

734

00:21:42,267 --> 00:21:44,236

Like, money is going to fix everything.

 

735

00:21:44,236 --> 00:21:45,504

And I think there's times

 

736

00:21:45,504 --> 00:21:46,672

you have to actually sit down

 

737

00:21:46,672 --> 00:21:49,107

across the table from them and say, Look,

 

738

00:21:50,042 --> 00:21:50,609

I want you

 

739

00:21:50,609 --> 00:21:54,579

to know exactly what is at play here.

 

740

00:21:54,579 --> 00:21:57,049

Here's the risks, here's what we can do,

 

741

00:21:57,115 --> 00:21:58,850

here's what you're up against.

 

742

00:21:58,850 --> 00:22:01,320

And I really think that sometimes

 

743

00:22:01,620 --> 00:22:02,487

when things are going

 

744

00:22:02,487 --> 00:22:03,689

like almost too fast

 

745

00:22:03,689 --> 00:22:04,222

or you're not really

 

746

00:22:04,222 --> 00:22:06,024

getting to the decision maker,

 

747

00:22:06,024 --> 00:22:08,193

you're getting to a general contractor

 

748

00:22:08,193 --> 00:22:10,295

who wouldn't work on behalf of the owner.

 

749

00:22:10,829 --> 00:22:12,464

There's times when I tell him, look,

 

750

00:22:12,464 --> 00:22:14,366

I want to bring the owner in on this.

 

751

00:22:14,366 --> 00:22:16,535

I want to tell them in my own words

 

752

00:22:16,535 --> 00:22:18,470

what I think the situation is.

 

753

00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:20,339

And here's their options.

 

754

00:22:20,439 --> 00:22:22,007

And because I've been told before,

 

755

00:22:22,007 --> 00:22:23,642

we're not not they just want to say

 

756

00:22:23,642 --> 00:22:25,110

and we finish it. No, they understand.

 

757

00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:25,744

They get it. Yeah.

 

758

00:22:25,744 --> 00:22:27,512

They just want to say and finish it.

 

759

00:22:27,512 --> 00:22:28,947

But then if I get a chance

 

760

00:22:28,947 --> 00:22:30,816

to talk to them, say, look.

 

761

00:22:30,816 --> 00:22:31,683

Here's are you going.

 

762

00:22:31,683 --> 00:22:32,150

To be happy

 

763

00:22:32,150 --> 00:22:32,718

with this

 

764

00:22:32,718 --> 00:22:33,518

when you look across this

 

765

00:22:33,518 --> 00:22:34,419

beautiful new house,

 

766

00:22:34,419 --> 00:22:36,088

is the remodeling done?

 

767

00:22:36,088 --> 00:22:37,255

Be honest with yourself.

 

768

00:22:37,255 --> 00:22:38,357

And is this going to be something

 

769

00:22:38,357 --> 00:22:38,657

that you're

 

770

00:22:38,657 --> 00:22:39,858

just going to have a hard time

 

771

00:22:39,858 --> 00:22:43,261

living with or for this amount of money,

 

772

00:22:43,261 --> 00:22:46,131

another $40,000 in your case?

 

773

00:22:46,531 --> 00:22:50,068

So we could we could put a new floor in,

 

774

00:22:50,335 --> 00:22:51,203

you know what I mean?

 

775

00:22:51,203 --> 00:22:52,371

Without getting to doing

 

776

00:22:52,371 --> 00:22:53,772

what happened to you?

 

777

00:22:53,772 --> 00:22:56,308

An unfortunate sap who was just just

 

778

00:22:57,876 --> 00:22:59,644

a homeowner is trying to

 

779

00:22:59,644 --> 00:23:00,112

just trying

 

780

00:23:00,112 --> 00:23:02,647

to get a repair done,

 

781

00:23:02,647 --> 00:23:03,982

you know what I mean?

 

782

00:23:04,015 --> 00:23:04,683

Yeah.

 

783

00:23:04,850 --> 00:23:05,784

I think.

 

784

00:23:05,784 --> 00:23:06,118

Oh, there's.

 

785

00:23:06,118 --> 00:23:06,518

Times

 

786

00:23:06,518 --> 00:23:08,320

when you got to have that conversation

 

787

00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,088

and I've walked away from jobs

 

788

00:23:10,088 --> 00:23:11,490

because I felt like they didn't

 

789

00:23:11,490 --> 00:23:12,090

get what I was,

 

790

00:23:12,090 --> 00:23:13,291

what I was to get

 

791

00:23:13,291 --> 00:23:15,160

what I was trying to tell them

 

792

00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,261

that even though I still telling them

 

793

00:23:16,261 --> 00:23:18,497

I'm looking at them, whatever.

 

794

00:23:18,530 --> 00:23:19,931

And it just seemed like it wasn't

 

795

00:23:19,931 --> 00:23:22,200

it wasn't getting to them.

 

796

00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,537

And I've needed jobs because of it

 

797

00:23:26,104 --> 00:23:27,239

and because I look at my schedule.

 

798

00:23:27,239 --> 00:23:28,006

Go look.

 

799

00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:29,040

I got three

 

800

00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,042

I got two months worth of work here

 

801

00:23:31,042 --> 00:23:32,844

and these next jobs are lined out.

 

802

00:23:32,844 --> 00:23:33,245

Beautiful.

 

803

00:23:33,245 --> 00:23:35,080

And I don't have time for something

 

804

00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,047

that that that

 

805

00:23:36,047 --> 00:23:37,849

if this does go south now,

 

806

00:23:37,849 --> 00:23:39,117

I have to invest this much energy

 

807

00:23:39,117 --> 00:23:40,352

and time into it.

 

808

00:23:40,352 --> 00:23:41,353

So this many employees

 

809

00:23:41,353 --> 00:23:43,588

that I don't have time for it for.

 

810

00:23:43,588 --> 00:23:46,024

So if I do a risk evaluation on it,

 

811

00:23:46,658 --> 00:23:47,259

I'll say no.

 

812

00:23:47,259 --> 00:23:48,660

As a businessman,

 

813

00:23:48,660 --> 00:23:49,861

this doesn't make sense,

 

814

00:23:49,861 --> 00:23:52,097

because you know what can happen, Rob, is

 

815

00:23:52,964 --> 00:23:54,299

ego can come into play

 

816

00:23:56,735 --> 00:23:58,437

sometimes.

 

817

00:23:58,470 --> 00:24:00,806

And I've been guilty of this, too.

 

818

00:24:00,806 --> 00:24:01,239

You want to be

 

819

00:24:01,239 --> 00:24:02,808

the guy that can do anything,

 

820

00:24:02,808 --> 00:24:04,176

you know, they say, Well,

 

821

00:24:04,176 --> 00:24:05,043

I talked to another floor guy

 

822

00:24:05,043 --> 00:24:05,343

and he goes,

 

823

00:24:05,343 --> 00:24:06,111

You can't see on this floor

 

824

00:24:06,111 --> 00:24:06,745

where you want to go.

 

825

00:24:06,745 --> 00:24:07,913

Well, I can see on that floor

 

826

00:24:07,913 --> 00:24:08,447

or I don't know

 

827

00:24:08,447 --> 00:24:09,147

what you're talking about.

 

828

00:24:09,147 --> 00:24:11,349

I can. Yeah, I can that I can match that.

 

829

00:24:11,349 --> 00:24:11,683

You know,

 

830

00:24:11,683 --> 00:24:12,417

I mean, you know,

 

831

00:24:12,417 --> 00:24:13,785

you have to be careful

 

832

00:24:13,785 --> 00:24:16,288

that you're, you know, what you say

 

833

00:24:16,455 --> 00:24:17,656

you're something doesn't

 

834

00:24:17,656 --> 00:24:19,291

cast a check that your mouth can't go.

 

835

00:24:19,291 --> 00:24:20,392

I can't remember that expression

 

836

00:24:20,392 --> 00:24:22,027

that I can't repeat on the air.

 

837

00:24:22,027 --> 00:24:23,462

You don't write a check that your

 

838

00:24:23,462 --> 00:24:24,463

whatever it is.

 

839

00:24:24,463 --> 00:24:27,566

It don't don't write an alligator

 

840

00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:29,701

don't write something about an alligator.

 

841

00:24:29,701 --> 00:24:32,037

Check with a frog's mouth or something.

 

842

00:24:32,170 --> 00:24:33,305

Something or something like that.

 

843

00:24:33,305 --> 00:24:34,306

Yeah, yeah.

 

844

00:24:34,306 --> 00:24:35,006

But now.

 

845

00:24:35,006 --> 00:24:35,740

Now we have to have

 

846

00:24:35,740 --> 00:24:36,975

somebody else call us up

 

847

00:24:36,975 --> 00:24:38,243

and tell us what that.

 

848

00:24:38,243 --> 00:24:39,845

Yeah, yeah.

 

849

00:24:39,845 --> 00:24:41,046

Don't let your frog mouth

 

850

00:24:41,046 --> 00:24:43,081

cash your alligator checks or.

 

851

00:24:44,115 --> 00:24:45,584

Yes, my brother in law

 

852

00:24:45,584 --> 00:24:47,752

used to say that all the time.

 

853

00:24:47,752 --> 00:24:49,120

Now I can't remember.

 

854

00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:49,654

Hmm.

 

855

00:24:50,288 --> 00:24:52,591

So and if you are going to do

 

856

00:24:52,591 --> 00:24:54,059

if you are going to be that guy, though,

 

857

00:24:54,059 --> 00:24:55,260

let's say you're going to be that guy

 

858

00:24:55,260 --> 00:24:56,361

that does that custom work,

 

859

00:24:56,361 --> 00:24:57,195

that will go in there

 

860

00:24:57,195 --> 00:24:57,929

and match that thing

 

861

00:24:57,929 --> 00:24:59,097

that no one else wants to match

 

862

00:24:59,097 --> 00:25:01,466

or sand that floor. That's so difficult.

 

863

00:25:01,466 --> 00:25:02,667

Very difficult customer

 

864

00:25:02,667 --> 00:25:03,902

that I mean, no high end client

 

865

00:25:03,902 --> 00:25:04,803

that is,

 

866

00:25:04,803 --> 00:25:06,304

you know, is just going to be a nightmare

 

867

00:25:06,304 --> 00:25:08,406

if you're going to be that guy.

 

868

00:25:08,406 --> 00:25:09,441

And don't give it away.

 

869

00:25:09,441 --> 00:25:11,543

Give it away. Give it away. Now,

 

870

00:25:11,743 --> 00:25:12,844

Charlie, who. Is that guy?

 

871

00:25:12,844 --> 00:25:15,013

Guy's like a son of a guy. Who?

 

872

00:25:15,013 --> 00:25:17,415

My dad. Really?

 

873

00:25:17,415 --> 00:25:18,717

My dad was that guy,

 

874

00:25:19,684 --> 00:25:20,352

huh?

 

875

00:25:20,452 --> 00:25:22,320

Absolutely.

 

876

00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:22,654

Wow.

 

877

00:25:22,654 --> 00:25:25,290

Southern thinking it.

 

878

00:25:25,290 --> 00:25:30,629

I'd say it was 1980.

 

879

00:25:30,629 --> 00:25:32,531

82. Okay.

 

880

00:25:32,531 --> 00:25:34,199

Yeah, 1982.

 

881

00:25:34,199 --> 00:25:35,867

Southington, Connecticut

 

882

00:25:35,867 --> 00:25:37,802

place called Banner Bowl.

 

883

00:25:37,802 --> 00:25:39,037

It's a bowling alley.

 

884

00:25:39,037 --> 00:25:40,472

Can't wait available.

 

885

00:25:40,472 --> 00:25:41,306

There's a river right

 

886

00:25:41,306 --> 00:25:42,674

next to this bowling alley.

 

887

00:25:42,674 --> 00:25:44,843

They had an unbelievable storm.

 

888

00:25:44,843 --> 00:25:47,212

And while people were bowling,

 

889

00:25:47,212 --> 00:25:49,748

the river overflowed into the parking lot

 

890

00:25:49,915 --> 00:25:51,483

and literally

 

891

00:25:51,483 --> 00:25:52,517

all of a sudden, people's

 

892

00:25:52,517 --> 00:25:53,685

balls were coming back,

 

893

00:25:53,685 --> 00:25:54,920

all soaked with water.

 

894

00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:55,787

And the

 

895

00:25:56,254 --> 00:25:57,355

literally the bowling

 

896

00:25:57,355 --> 00:25:58,657

alley was filling up with water

 

897

00:25:58,657 --> 00:26:00,025

while people were Ebola.

 

898

00:26:00,025 --> 00:26:00,659

Okay.

 

899

00:26:00,659 --> 00:26:02,661

Yeah, crazy, right?

 

900

00:26:02,661 --> 00:26:04,829

So the place ends up being about

 

901

00:26:05,797 --> 00:26:08,099

four feet underwater,

 

902

00:26:08,266 --> 00:26:09,100

right?

 

903

00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:11,069

That'll get your balls wet.

 

904

00:26:11,069 --> 00:26:11,703

Oh, yeah.

 

905

00:26:11,703 --> 00:26:13,238

If you're in a bowling alley.

 

906

00:26:13,238 --> 00:26:14,973

If you're in a bowling alley, yeah.

 

907

00:26:14,973 --> 00:26:18,109

Absolutely.

 

908

00:26:18,109 --> 00:26:19,978

Brunswick goes in, you know, there's two.

 

909

00:26:19,978 --> 00:26:21,112

Main.

 

910

00:26:21,446 --> 00:26:22,414

Bowling companies, right?

 

911

00:26:22,414 --> 00:26:24,015

Brunswick and AMF,

 

912

00:26:24,015 --> 00:26:24,749

Brunswick goes

 

913

00:26:24,749 --> 00:26:26,518

in, takes a look at a job and said,

 

914

00:26:26,518 --> 00:26:28,420

no, this is a total gut job.

 

915

00:26:29,521 --> 00:26:30,422

Everything's got.

 

916

00:26:30,422 --> 00:26:33,558

Everything's ripped out.

 

917

00:26:33,558 --> 00:26:34,759

As far as the wood goes,

 

918

00:26:34,759 --> 00:26:36,227

everything needs to be ripped out

 

919

00:26:36,227 --> 00:26:37,562

and replaced. Yeah.

 

920

00:26:37,562 --> 00:26:38,763

And all the back

 

921

00:26:38,763 --> 00:26:40,265

end equipment, ball returns,

 

922

00:26:40,265 --> 00:26:41,967

tell us scores, all that stuff.

 

923

00:26:41,967 --> 00:26:44,436

AMF comes in, says the same exact thing.

 

924

00:26:44,936 --> 00:26:45,637

No,

 

925

00:26:46,404 --> 00:26:48,139

everything's got to be taken out.

 

926

00:26:48,139 --> 00:26:48,807

Yep.

 

927

00:26:49,741 --> 00:26:52,143

My dad goes in and says,

 

928

00:26:52,143 --> 00:26:54,279

Now we can we can fix this.

 

929

00:26:54,579 --> 00:26:55,413

Yeah.

 

930

00:26:56,581 --> 00:26:57,515

Don't you love being standing

 

931

00:26:57,515 --> 00:26:59,784

next to the guy who says that?

 

932

00:26:59,784 --> 00:27:01,653

I was.

 

933

00:27:01,653 --> 00:27:03,755

I went, he goes, Come on, come with me.

 

934

00:27:03,755 --> 00:27:05,223

You're going to go do an estimate

 

935

00:27:05,223 --> 00:27:07,525

who's with me and my dad.

 

936

00:27:07,659 --> 00:27:08,159

I know.

 

937

00:27:08,159 --> 00:27:10,195

But when he said we can fix this.

 

938

00:27:10,195 --> 00:27:11,963

Yeah, we can fix this. Right.

 

939

00:27:11,963 --> 00:27:14,099

He meant his his career, right?

 

940

00:27:14,099 --> 00:27:14,566

Yeah.

 

941

00:27:14,899 --> 00:27:17,569

So we go in to this place

 

942

00:27:18,103 --> 00:27:19,471

and I'm not exaggerating.

 

943

00:27:19,471 --> 00:27:21,139

I'll even find you the pictures.

 

944

00:27:21,139 --> 00:27:22,040

I think I've showed you

 

945

00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,475

some pictures of this job

 

946

00:27:23,475 --> 00:27:24,843

where we were lifting lanes up

 

947

00:27:24,843 --> 00:27:27,045

and sliding them out and everything.

 

948

00:27:27,045 --> 00:27:29,180

But when we got there, the approaches

 

949

00:27:29,180 --> 00:27:31,616

where people start when they're bowling,

 

950

00:27:31,616 --> 00:27:33,718

the approaches were heaved up

 

951

00:27:33,718 --> 00:27:34,853

like three feet.

 

952

00:27:36,121 --> 00:27:36,488

And I'm

 

953

00:27:36,488 --> 00:27:39,658

standing on one of these heaves

 

954

00:27:39,658 --> 00:27:40,592

and it's not moving.

 

955

00:27:40,592 --> 00:27:42,661

I mean, it's like a rock

 

956

00:27:43,561 --> 00:27:44,729

because the approaches are laid

 

957

00:27:44,729 --> 00:27:45,597

wall to wall.

 

958

00:27:45,597 --> 00:27:47,732

There's not a wall to wall.

 

959

00:27:47,732 --> 00:27:49,901

So these things are heaved up.

 

960

00:27:50,335 --> 00:27:51,336

The lanes.

 

961

00:27:51,336 --> 00:27:52,137

I mean,

 

962

00:27:52,137 --> 00:27:53,571

the place is under four feet of water

 

963

00:27:53,571 --> 00:27:57,208

for four weeks.

 

964

00:27:57,208 --> 00:27:58,076

And I'll never forget

 

965

00:27:58,076 --> 00:27:59,911

I'm standing there and I'm looking around

 

966

00:27:59,911 --> 00:28:01,312

and you know, I was

 

967

00:28:02,380 --> 00:28:04,349

early twenties, I think,

 

968

00:28:04,349 --> 00:28:06,484

and I'm thinking, this is, you know,

 

969

00:28:06,484 --> 00:28:08,553

this isn't this is a total rip up.

 

970

00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:09,854

Yeah.

 

971

00:28:11,089 --> 00:28:12,724

And then I'm standing there

 

972

00:28:12,724 --> 00:28:14,959

with the owner and my dad.

 

973

00:28:14,959 --> 00:28:15,827

My dad goes, No,

 

974

00:28:15,827 --> 00:28:17,228

we can salvage a lot of this.

 

975

00:28:17,228 --> 00:28:19,230

We don't need to rip that

 

976

00:28:19,464 --> 00:28:21,466

because I can take some of the change

 

977

00:28:21,466 --> 00:28:22,667

or release

 

978

00:28:22,667 --> 00:28:25,170

some of the pressure off of this,

 

979

00:28:25,170 --> 00:28:26,371

replaced this, keep

 

980

00:28:26,371 --> 00:28:27,872

that we ended up

 

981

00:28:27,872 --> 00:28:29,708

putting synthetic lanes on the front,

 

982

00:28:29,708 --> 00:28:31,543

keeping the back ends real.

 

983

00:28:31,543 --> 00:28:32,444

We didn't replace

 

984

00:28:32,444 --> 00:28:34,713

any of the crib foundation

 

985

00:28:34,713 --> 00:28:36,481

we went through and we're having guys

 

986

00:28:36,481 --> 00:28:37,816

jumping up and down on it.

 

987

00:28:37,816 --> 00:28:40,985

And then I put Healthy Shot everything.

 

988

00:28:40,985 --> 00:28:43,021

It was insane.

 

989

00:28:43,788 --> 00:28:46,591

I mean, it was absolutely insane

 

990

00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:49,561

what we're driving home.

 

991

00:28:49,561 --> 00:28:51,696

And that's exactly what he said to me.

 

992

00:28:51,696 --> 00:28:52,363

I said,

 

993

00:28:52,464 --> 00:28:53,798

We're not going to be able to do that.

 

994

00:28:53,798 --> 00:28:55,033

And he goes, Yeah, we can do.

 

995

00:28:55,033 --> 00:28:56,067

We'll do it.

 

996

00:28:56,534 --> 00:28:57,802

He goes, AMF and Brunswick

 

997

00:28:57,802 --> 00:28:58,670

don't think they can do it.

 

998

00:28:58,670 --> 00:29:00,772

I know we can do it. Yeah.

 

999

00:29:00,772 --> 00:29:02,040

And that's why he took the job.

 

1000

00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,608

Oh, absolutely.

 

1001

00:29:03,608 --> 00:29:05,076

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

 

1002

00:29:05,076 --> 00:29:07,645

We probably made $0.19.

 

1003

00:29:07,645 --> 00:29:09,781

Yeah, we were there.

 

1004

00:29:09,781 --> 00:29:10,081

You know,

 

1005

00:29:10,081 --> 00:29:11,683

we used to have two crews

 

1006

00:29:11,683 --> 00:29:12,684

that would go through

 

1007

00:29:12,684 --> 00:29:14,486

and do sanding and everything.

 

1008

00:29:14,486 --> 00:29:17,522

He ended up taking one of the crews

 

1009

00:29:17,522 --> 00:29:18,857

just with him.

 

1010

00:29:18,857 --> 00:29:21,459

So we were a short a crew all season long

 

1011

00:29:21,459 --> 00:29:22,761

doing all the sanding.

 

1012

00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:23,128

Wow.

 

1013

00:29:23,128 --> 00:29:25,530

Well, he was down there.

 

1014

00:29:27,198 --> 00:29:29,467

And I tell you,

 

1015

00:29:29,467 --> 00:29:31,803

we all thought that he was insane.

 

1016

00:29:31,803 --> 00:29:34,072

It was impossible.

 

1017

00:29:34,072 --> 00:29:35,406

And, you know, the thing

 

1018

00:29:35,406 --> 00:29:36,775

with bowling alley is

 

1019

00:29:37,876 --> 00:29:39,778

leagues usually start up

 

1020

00:29:39,778 --> 00:29:42,180

only is where you make your money

 

1021

00:29:42,180 --> 00:29:43,615

and leagues usually start up

 

1022

00:29:43,615 --> 00:29:45,984

when school starts up. Okay.

 

1023

00:29:45,984 --> 00:29:48,953

So we knew that everything had to be done

 

1024

00:29:48,953 --> 00:29:50,822

by the first week in September.

 

1025

00:29:50,822 --> 00:29:52,891

Literally everything,

 

1026

00:29:52,891 --> 00:29:54,025

everything had to work

 

1027

00:29:54,025 --> 00:29:55,860

and everything had to run.

 

1028

00:29:55,860 --> 00:29:59,631

And I'll be damned if he didn't do it.

 

1029

00:29:59,964 --> 00:30:01,666

Well, I think we made a lot of money.

 

1030

00:30:01,666 --> 00:30:03,835

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I know.

 

1031

00:30:04,068 --> 00:30:05,336

I'd love to know.

 

1032

00:30:05,336 --> 00:30:07,372

I've talked to my uncle about that one,

 

1033

00:30:07,372 --> 00:30:07,605

you know?

 

1034

00:30:07,605 --> 00:30:09,007

How much money did we really make?

 

1035

00:30:09,007 --> 00:30:10,508

I'm very vocal,

 

1036

00:30:11,176 --> 00:30:13,545

but I think it was definitely he.

 

1037

00:30:14,445 --> 00:30:16,815

It was his moment of

 

1038

00:30:16,815 --> 00:30:19,117

I can do it better than the big two,

 

1039

00:30:19,117 --> 00:30:19,951

you know?

 

1040

00:30:20,518 --> 00:30:22,954

You ever heard of a country song by Bobby

 

1041

00:30:22,954 --> 00:30:23,888

Bare called The Winner?

 

1042

00:30:25,056 --> 00:30:25,723

No.

 

1043

00:30:25,957 --> 00:30:27,792

Well, you should listen to anybody.

 

1044

00:30:27,792 --> 00:30:28,359

You should,

 

1045

00:30:28,393 --> 00:30:29,460

even if you don't like country

 

1046

00:30:29,460 --> 00:30:31,229

singing songs at all.

 

1047

00:30:31,229 --> 00:30:34,399

Google Bobby Bare, the winner.

 

1048

00:30:34,399 --> 00:30:35,834

How do you spell his last name?

 

1049

00:30:35,834 --> 00:30:39,671

B a r r e.

 

1050

00:30:40,004 --> 00:30:41,272

B a.

 

1051

00:30:41,739 --> 00:30:43,875

R in the winner.

 

1052

00:30:43,875 --> 00:30:44,943

The winner?

 

1053

00:30:44,943 --> 00:30:48,012

Yeah.

 

1054

00:30:48,012 --> 00:30:49,747

In the lyrics.

 

1055

00:30:49,747 --> 00:30:50,748

I mean, if you just listen to

 

1056

00:30:50,748 --> 00:30:53,685

that is so funny because

 

1057

00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:56,421

he talks about,

 

1058

00:30:56,421 --> 00:30:58,089

you know, getting in fights and all

 

1059

00:30:58,089 --> 00:30:59,157

and all that he's lost

 

1060

00:30:59,157 --> 00:31:00,959

by being the winner, you know?

 

1061

00:31:00,959 --> 00:31:03,161

And you know, he's in his teeth.

 

1062

00:31:03,228 --> 00:31:03,628

He's got

 

1063

00:31:03,628 --> 00:31:04,629

rolling down the street

 

1064

00:31:04,629 --> 00:31:06,764

like he kills his biggest guy at the bar,

 

1065

00:31:07,432 --> 00:31:08,199

but he beat him.

 

1066

00:31:08,199 --> 00:31:09,968

So that makes him the winner.

 

1067

00:31:09,968 --> 00:31:11,836

So, you know,

 

1068

00:31:12,303 --> 00:31:14,472

the expression I actually heard

 

1069

00:31:14,873 --> 00:31:15,540

heard you say this

 

1070

00:31:15,540 --> 00:31:16,875

before anybody was is

 

1071

00:31:16,875 --> 00:31:18,743

the juice, was the squeeze.

 

1072

00:31:18,743 --> 00:31:20,612

And I've cut myself in that scenario

 

1073

00:31:20,612 --> 00:31:22,547

where yeah, another good one

 

1074

00:31:22,547 --> 00:31:23,882

is this like,

 

1075

00:31:23,882 --> 00:31:24,582

yeah, we can do

 

1076

00:31:24,582 --> 00:31:26,084

well, we'll do a repair,

 

1077

00:31:26,084 --> 00:31:27,051

we'll patch this area right

 

1078

00:31:27,051 --> 00:31:28,486

here, we'll take this takes us out,

 

1079

00:31:28,486 --> 00:31:30,521

we can blend this in and everything.

 

1080

00:31:30,521 --> 00:31:30,989

You don't even know

 

1081

00:31:30,989 --> 00:31:32,457

it's there and blah blah blah.

 

1082

00:31:32,457 --> 00:31:33,424

Then I started thinking that

 

1083

00:31:34,659 --> 00:31:35,059

what was

 

1084

00:31:35,059 --> 00:31:37,595

best for me though in this whole scenario

 

1085

00:31:38,296 --> 00:31:39,964

would have been best for me

 

1086

00:31:39,964 --> 00:31:42,033

to tear the whole damn thing out,

 

1087

00:31:42,033 --> 00:31:42,533

you know what I mean?

 

1088

00:31:42,533 --> 00:31:43,902

Than to think in all this,

 

1089

00:31:43,902 --> 00:31:44,903

all this area and

 

1090

00:31:44,903 --> 00:31:45,770

and then,

 

1091

00:31:45,770 --> 00:31:46,704

you know, it's two and a quarter.

 

1092

00:31:46,704 --> 00:31:48,473

But but then I got to get it skills on

 

1093

00:31:48,473 --> 00:31:50,441

a 16th of an inch off every third board

 

1094

00:31:50,441 --> 00:31:51,042

and everything

 

1095

00:31:51,042 --> 00:31:52,543

and all these different stuff

 

1096

00:31:52,543 --> 00:31:53,912

and then worry,

 

1097

00:31:53,912 --> 00:31:55,713

then have the pleasure of worrying

 

1098

00:31:55,713 --> 00:31:56,781

that it's going to match.

 

1099

00:31:56,781 --> 00:31:58,216

Even though you tell me,

 

1100

00:31:58,216 --> 00:32:00,151

hey, it's the whole wooden in the wood,

 

1101

00:32:00,151 --> 00:32:01,452

but it's still there, you know,

 

1102

00:32:01,452 --> 00:32:03,721

it's still in my mind.

 

1103

00:32:03,721 --> 00:32:05,990

What is that worth versus me?

 

1104

00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:07,659

Say, hey, man, you know what?

 

1105

00:32:07,659 --> 00:32:09,227

You got to hear this out.

 

1106

00:32:09,227 --> 00:32:10,828

And I know that there's other things

 

1107

00:32:10,828 --> 00:32:11,129

you can do.

 

1108

00:32:11,129 --> 00:32:11,596

You can

 

1109

00:32:11,696 --> 00:32:13,331

try patching this out in the other.

 

1110

00:32:13,331 --> 00:32:14,499

But honestly,

 

1111

00:32:14,499 --> 00:32:15,266

to give you the best,

 

1112

00:32:15,266 --> 00:32:16,768

cleanest job, tear it out.

 

1113

00:32:16,768 --> 00:32:17,735

Now, could you have

 

1114

00:32:17,735 --> 00:32:19,971

to throw that in and done all that stuff?

 

1115

00:32:19,971 --> 00:32:21,372

Yeah, you probably could have.

 

1116

00:32:21,372 --> 00:32:24,075

And we've all done it.

 

1117

00:32:24,075 --> 00:32:25,109

But at times is

 

1118

00:32:25,109 --> 00:32:26,878

it just makes sense that for you?

 

1119

00:32:26,878 --> 00:32:28,680

What makes sense for you

 

1120

00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,581

is to turn the whole damn thing out.

 

1121

00:32:30,581 --> 00:32:31,683

You see what I'm saying?

 

1122

00:32:31,683 --> 00:32:33,351

Yeah, absolutely.

 

1123

00:32:33,351 --> 00:32:34,953

And if you are going to be that guy,

 

1124

00:32:34,953 --> 00:32:35,486

but like I said,

 

1125

00:32:35,486 --> 00:32:37,021

if you are going to be that guy,

 

1126

00:32:37,021 --> 00:32:39,257

then you better be charging like that guy

 

1127

00:32:39,257 --> 00:32:41,826

because you are given above and beyond a

 

1128

00:32:41,826 --> 00:32:43,161

skill, a highly skill

 

1129

00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:48,466

product that a lot of guys can't do,

 

1130

00:32:48,466 --> 00:32:49,400

you know, and you're going to

 

1131

00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,969

just give me more on your plate

 

1132

00:32:50,969 --> 00:32:51,936

because you're going more.

 

1133

00:32:51,936 --> 00:32:53,037

Even if I tell somebody

 

1134

00:32:53,037 --> 00:32:54,772

if I tell somebody

 

1135

00:32:54,772 --> 00:32:55,773

now, what

 

1136

00:32:55,974 --> 00:32:56,975

we're going to go

 

1137

00:32:56,975 --> 00:32:59,444

is this is a number to come in White Oak.

 

1138

00:32:59,577 --> 00:33:00,845

I'm going to go back with number two.

 

1139

00:33:00,845 --> 00:33:01,813

Come in. White Oak.

 

1140

00:33:01,813 --> 00:33:03,781

Actually, it's the same mill

 

1141

00:33:03,781 --> 00:33:06,017

oak Tony met 20 years ago.

 

1142

00:33:06,150 --> 00:33:07,785

Whatever. It's different though.

 

1143

00:33:07,785 --> 00:33:09,520

You know what changes over time.

 

1144

00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:09,854

You're going

 

1145

00:33:09,854 --> 00:33:11,255

to go kind of light and color,

 

1146

00:33:11,255 --> 00:33:12,623

so you may see it more,

 

1147

00:33:12,623 --> 00:33:13,858

blah, blah, blah, inviting them all

 

1148

00:33:13,858 --> 00:33:14,592

that good.

 

1149

00:33:14,592 --> 00:33:16,494

Yeah, we get it, we get it, we get it.

 

1150

00:33:16,494 --> 00:33:17,729

I'm still going to worry

 

1151

00:33:17,729 --> 00:33:18,496

and I'm still going

 

1152

00:33:18,496 --> 00:33:20,198

to be more disappointed in them

 

1153

00:33:20,198 --> 00:33:21,065

if it doesn't match as

 

1154

00:33:21,065 --> 00:33:21,933

good as I want it to.

 

1155

00:33:22,867 --> 00:33:24,969

And what is that worth?

 

1156

00:33:24,969 --> 00:33:26,070

You know what I mean?

 

1157

00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:26,838

That's yes.

 

1158

00:33:26,838 --> 00:33:27,872

That's that's worth something.

 

1159

00:33:27,872 --> 00:33:29,941

I got to tell this story.

 

1160

00:33:30,541 --> 00:33:33,611

I was doing an interview face school,

 

1161

00:33:33,611 --> 00:33:35,613

and everybody knows

 

1162

00:33:36,614 --> 00:33:37,181

the love

 

1163

00:33:37,181 --> 00:33:39,350

that you and I had for Steve Seabaugh.

 

1164

00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:41,486

Mm hmm. Okay.

 

1165

00:33:41,486 --> 00:33:42,687

And see, Bob

 

1166

00:33:42,687 --> 00:33:43,755

got into a story

 

1167

00:33:43,755 --> 00:33:45,623

at the school of a repair job,

 

1168

00:33:45,623 --> 00:33:47,025

and we were talking about board

 

1169

00:33:47,025 --> 00:33:48,326

repairs and,

 

1170

00:33:48,326 --> 00:33:48,860

you know,

 

1171

00:33:48,860 --> 00:33:49,827

chasing the grain

 

1172

00:33:49,827 --> 00:33:50,628

and making things,

 

1173

00:33:50,628 --> 00:33:52,430

you know, really look good.

 

1174

00:33:52,430 --> 00:33:53,331

He was,

 

1175

00:33:53,464 --> 00:33:54,799

you know, all the stuff that I learned

 

1176

00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:57,035

about patching and chasing the grain.

 

1177

00:33:57,035 --> 00:33:58,369

I learned

 

1178

00:33:59,037 --> 00:34:01,339

Ray from him and

 

1179

00:34:02,473 --> 00:34:05,643

so he starts telling the story of a house

 

1180

00:34:06,010 --> 00:34:08,212

that he had done the floors at or no,

 

1181

00:34:08,212 --> 00:34:09,480

he didn't do the floors.

 

1182

00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,249

Somebody else had done the floors

 

1183

00:34:11,249 --> 00:34:14,352

and they had they were done.

 

1184

00:34:14,352 --> 00:34:15,686

And then the lady decided

 

1185

00:34:15,686 --> 00:34:17,822

that she wanted a brick oven put it.

 

1186

00:34:18,956 --> 00:34:21,192

And these guys doing the brick oven

 

1187

00:34:21,893 --> 00:34:22,927

screwed up

 

1188

00:34:22,927 --> 00:34:23,895

six boards

 

1189

00:34:23,895 --> 00:34:25,763

right in the middle of this

 

1190

00:34:25,763 --> 00:34:27,065

mansion kitchen.

 

1191

00:34:27,065 --> 00:34:28,966

Right. Big giant.

 

1192

00:34:28,966 --> 00:34:30,001

So everybody's telling her,

 

1193

00:34:30,001 --> 00:34:32,437

you got to move out.

 

1194

00:34:32,437 --> 00:34:33,571

We pop those boards

 

1195

00:34:33,571 --> 00:34:35,773

up, Roseanne, the whole thing

 

1196

00:34:35,773 --> 00:34:37,642

that way it's 100%.

 

1197

00:34:37,642 --> 00:34:38,943

But you got to move out, move

 

1198

00:34:38,943 --> 00:34:40,378

all your stuff out.

 

1199

00:34:40,378 --> 00:34:40,945

You move out.

 

1200

00:34:40,945 --> 00:34:42,780

You know, the whole deal.

 

1201

00:34:43,081 --> 00:34:46,951

Like 20 grand to fix all these boards.

 

1202

00:34:47,285 --> 00:34:49,787

Yeah, but she wanted it to be perfect.

 

1203

00:34:49,887 --> 00:34:52,023

It was a new house. Yep.

 

1204

00:34:52,023 --> 00:34:54,926

So she wasn't looking for 80% to.

 

1205

00:34:55,526 --> 00:34:56,427

She wasn't looking for that.

 

1206

00:34:56,427 --> 00:34:57,628

Rob Johnson has to make.

 

1207

00:34:57,628 --> 00:34:58,763

Can you take that out?

 

1208

00:34:58,763 --> 00:35:00,631

That that Mark by the door.

 

1209

00:35:00,631 --> 00:35:03,234

I get it. 80% better.

 

1210

00:35:03,234 --> 00:35:04,035

100%.

 

1211

00:35:04,035 --> 00:35:06,270

I got a sanded screening.

 

1212

00:35:06,270 --> 00:35:08,005

80%. I can get to 80.

 

1213

00:35:08,005 --> 00:35:09,440

Yeah.

 

1214

00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,808

See goes in

 

1215

00:35:10,808 --> 00:35:13,277

somehow they call him, Seaborg goes in

 

1216

00:35:14,011 --> 00:35:15,113

and they said it's like

 

1217

00:35:15,113 --> 00:35:16,981

an eight board patch job

 

1218

00:35:18,983 --> 00:35:19,350

and he

 

1219

00:35:19,350 --> 00:35:22,653

says he tells them

 

1220

00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:24,722

$4,000.

 

1221

00:35:24,722 --> 00:35:26,190

Yeah, for eight.

 

1222

00:35:26,190 --> 00:35:27,258

And they're like what.

 

1223

00:35:27,258 --> 00:35:28,893

Yeah. 4000.

 

1224

00:35:28,893 --> 00:35:30,161

How can you do it for 4000?

 

1225

00:35:30,161 --> 00:35:30,561

He goes up,

 

1226

00:35:30,561 --> 00:35:32,130

take those boards out and put new boards.

 

1227

00:35:32,130 --> 00:35:33,965

Then she goes, No,

 

1228

00:35:33,965 --> 00:35:35,433

I want him to be perfect, though

 

1229

00:35:35,433 --> 00:35:36,868

you'll never be.

 

1230

00:35:36,968 --> 00:35:37,268

He goes,

 

1231

00:35:37,268 --> 00:35:39,537

If, when I'm done,

 

1232

00:35:39,537 --> 00:35:41,906

you won't be able to tell. Wow.

 

1233

00:35:42,473 --> 00:35:43,341

And that was the toughest

 

1234

00:35:43,341 --> 00:35:44,342

part of the job.

 

1235

00:35:44,342 --> 00:35:45,776

Was convincing her.

 

1236

00:35:45,776 --> 00:35:48,446

Yeah, that he could do this. Hmm.

 

1237

00:35:48,446 --> 00:35:51,015

And this builder is like $4,000

 

1238

00:35:51,015 --> 00:35:52,550

to put in eight boards.

 

1239

00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:54,051

And it's like, yes,

 

1240

00:35:54,051 --> 00:35:56,821

but I'm going to save you 16.

 

1241

00:35:56,821 --> 00:35:58,489

LESLIE Steve Seabaugh looked like

 

1242

00:35:58,489 --> 00:36:00,925

he was 12 when he was 30, you know.

 

1243

00:36:01,659 --> 00:36:02,326

Yeah.

 

1244

00:36:02,593 --> 00:36:03,361

So he's

 

1245

00:36:03,361 --> 00:36:04,795

he's kind of a kid, good looking kid.

 

1246

00:36:04,795 --> 00:36:05,329

But then mean

 

1247

00:36:05,329 --> 00:36:05,963

when he found out

 

1248

00:36:05,963 --> 00:36:06,864

how old he really isn't.

 

1249

00:36:06,864 --> 00:36:07,865

Well, he smokes, man.

 

1250

00:36:07,865 --> 00:36:09,100

I thought the guy's, like, half that age.

 

1251

00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:11,536

He's got them good genes. Yeah. Yeah.

 

1252

00:36:12,637 --> 00:36:14,272

So he's pretty slim.

 

1253

00:36:14,272 --> 00:36:14,972

You will

 

1254

00:36:14,972 --> 00:36:17,041

not be able to see this patch

 

1255

00:36:17,041 --> 00:36:18,075

when I'm done.

 

1256

00:36:18,075 --> 00:36:20,945

Yeah, you won't see it

 

1257

00:36:21,045 --> 00:36:22,180

because you don't have to pay me

 

1258

00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:23,681

if you don't see it.

 

1259

00:36:23,881 --> 00:36:24,749

Wow.

 

1260

00:36:24,949 --> 00:36:28,186

So he gets done.

 

1261

00:36:28,186 --> 00:36:29,020

They can't see it.

 

1262

00:36:29,020 --> 00:36:30,421

He makes $4,000,

 

1263

00:36:30,421 --> 00:36:33,224

and somebody in the class

 

1264

00:36:33,224 --> 00:36:37,395

had the nerve to say $4,000.

 

1265

00:36:37,395 --> 00:36:39,964

How the hell do you sleep at night?

 

1266

00:36:39,964 --> 00:36:40,831

And Steve.

 

1267

00:36:40,831 --> 00:36:44,068

Steve fires back like,

 

1268

00:36:44,068 --> 00:36:45,036

how do I sleep at night?

 

1269

00:36:45,036 --> 00:36:47,104

He goes, I sleep very good

 

1270

00:36:47,672 --> 00:36:48,906

because I make money

 

1271

00:36:48,906 --> 00:36:50,174

and I don't lose sleep over

 

1272

00:36:50,174 --> 00:36:51,609

not making money.

 

1273

00:36:51,609 --> 00:36:52,043

Yeah.

 

1274

00:36:52,043 --> 00:36:52,743

And I was like,

 

1275

00:36:52,743 --> 00:36:54,345

that was the greatest answer

 

1276

00:36:54,345 --> 00:36:55,613

I ever heard. Yeah.

 

1277

00:36:55,613 --> 00:36:57,148

I hope someday I can do

 

1278

00:36:57,148 --> 00:36:59,517

a $4,000 patch up.

 

1279

00:36:59,517 --> 00:37:01,352

And he said it took me two days.

 

1280

00:37:01,352 --> 00:37:04,188

Three days? Yeah. Yeah, you know, but

 

1281

00:37:05,256 --> 00:37:05,623

if you're

 

1282

00:37:05,623 --> 00:37:05,790

going

 

1283

00:37:05,790 --> 00:37:07,391

to, if you're

 

1284

00:37:07,391 --> 00:37:09,427

going to deliver on that promise, unlike

 

1285

00:37:10,127 --> 00:37:11,329

if you're doing foundation

 

1286

00:37:11,329 --> 00:37:13,698

work around the Albany area.

 

1287

00:37:13,698 --> 00:37:15,066

Huh? Yeah.

 

1288

00:37:15,066 --> 00:37:16,200

They come through.

 

1289

00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,404

Oversell and under-deliver.

 

1290

00:37:20,404 --> 00:37:21,339

Just one last point

 

1291

00:37:21,339 --> 00:37:22,740

I wanted to make on this here, too,

 

1292

00:37:22,740 --> 00:37:23,574

is that

 

1293

00:37:23,674 --> 00:37:25,243

not every mistake can be

 

1294

00:37:25,243 --> 00:37:28,279

can be fixed right away,

 

1295

00:37:28,279 --> 00:37:31,515

because maybe, you know,

 

1296

00:37:31,549 --> 00:37:33,584

in our industry it's like,

 

1297

00:37:33,584 --> 00:37:34,852

you know, moisture and what have you.

 

1298

00:37:34,852 --> 00:37:35,319

You certainly don't

 

1299

00:37:35,319 --> 00:37:38,389

want to see on the floor right away.

 

1300

00:37:38,522 --> 00:37:39,657

And that, you know, not

 

1301

00:37:39,657 --> 00:37:40,258

every occurrence

 

1302

00:37:40,258 --> 00:37:42,660

can be addressed immediately,

 

1303

00:37:42,660 --> 00:37:44,262

especially as

 

1304

00:37:44,562 --> 00:37:45,863

we talk about the competitive

 

1305

00:37:45,863 --> 00:37:46,897

skill labor market

 

1306

00:37:46,897 --> 00:37:47,598

and you're not having enough

 

1307

00:37:47,598 --> 00:37:51,369

workers and blah, blah, blah.

 

1308

00:37:51,369 --> 00:37:52,770

So again,

 

1309

00:37:52,770 --> 00:37:54,105

it always comes back to communication

 

1310

00:37:54,105 --> 00:37:54,905

with me

 

1311

00:37:54,905 --> 00:37:56,240

that, you know what, here's

 

1312

00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:57,108

explaining exactly

 

1313

00:37:57,108 --> 00:37:58,409

what's going to happen in the time frame.

 

1314

00:37:58,409 --> 00:37:59,944

It's going to happen in everything

 

1315

00:37:59,944 --> 00:38:01,679

just to make sure everybody I

 

1316

00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:02,513

the more the longer I'm

 

1317

00:38:02,513 --> 00:38:03,547

in this industry, Rob,

 

1318

00:38:03,547 --> 00:38:04,749

the more I realize how,

 

1319

00:38:04,749 --> 00:38:05,783

you know, communication

 

1320

00:38:05,783 --> 00:38:08,219

is so, so important on every level

 

1321

00:38:09,754 --> 00:38:12,056

and it just builds confidence.

 

1322

00:38:12,056 --> 00:38:14,258

If you don't, it erodes confidence.

 

1323

00:38:14,258 --> 00:38:15,693

And just being able to communicate

 

1324

00:38:15,693 --> 00:38:18,296

exactly is equally as important

 

1325

00:38:18,296 --> 00:38:19,263

as what you're going to do

 

1326

00:38:19,263 --> 00:38:20,364

is what you're not going to be able to

 

1327

00:38:20,364 --> 00:38:23,301

do, so.

 

1328

00:38:23,301 --> 00:38:25,036

Yup, absolutely.

 

1329

00:38:25,036 --> 00:38:26,170

There you go.

 

1330

00:38:26,337 --> 00:38:27,972

Well, I'm glad we had a chance to talk.

 

1331

00:38:27,972 --> 00:38:30,908

I was absolutely I laughed so great.

 

1332

00:38:31,642 --> 00:38:33,210

I said, we have to talk about that.

 

1333

00:38:33,210 --> 00:38:33,911

When you told me that,

 

1334

00:38:33,911 --> 00:38:34,612

I went, Oh, my God,

 

1335

00:38:34,612 --> 00:38:35,346

you got to be kidding me.

 

1336

00:38:35,346 --> 00:38:36,981

I laughed so hard.

 

1337

00:38:36,981 --> 00:38:38,883

And that your expense, man,

 

1338

00:38:38,883 --> 00:38:40,918

I know it sucks, but to.

 

1339

00:38:41,218 --> 00:38:43,254

My excitement members.

 

1340

00:38:43,254 --> 00:38:45,790

I held them up is the the gold standard.

 

1341

00:38:46,090 --> 00:38:48,392

The platinum man.

 

1342

00:38:48,392 --> 00:38:48,826

Yeah.

 

1343

00:38:48,826 --> 00:38:49,593

I remember

 

1344

00:38:49,593 --> 00:38:51,696

thinking, oh, I got to do a show

 

1345

00:38:51,696 --> 00:38:53,464

about how to do an estimate.

 

1346

00:38:53,464 --> 00:38:54,565

Yeah, no,

 

1347

00:38:54,565 --> 00:38:56,267

they know how to do the estimate.

 

1348

00:38:56,267 --> 00:38:57,768

Let me tell you.

 

1349

00:38:57,768 --> 00:38:59,437

In a follow through.

 

1350

00:38:59,470 --> 00:39:00,771

Follow through.

 

1351

00:39:00,771 --> 00:39:01,906

Big time.

 

1352

00:39:01,906 --> 00:39:02,907

All right.

 

1353

00:39:02,907 --> 00:39:03,774

Well, listen.

 

1354

00:39:03,774 --> 00:39:05,576

Overdeliver over

 

1355

00:39:05,576 --> 00:39:06,243

the level

 

1356

00:39:06,243 --> 00:39:08,312

that it's going to be my new thing.

 

1357

00:39:08,979 --> 00:39:10,414

Overdeliver, man.

 

1358

00:39:10,414 --> 00:39:12,083

Absolutely. Amen.

 

1359

00:39:13,084 --> 00:39:13,517

All right.

 

1360

00:39:13,517 --> 00:39:14,685

My friend has good,

 

1361

00:39:14,685 --> 00:39:15,920

good talking to you again.

 

1362

00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:16,754

And

 

1363

00:39:18,089 --> 00:39:18,956

thank you to our listeners

 

1364

00:39:18,956 --> 00:39:20,725

who listen to this episode.

 

1365

00:39:20,725 --> 00:39:23,060

And there's been another episode

 

1366

00:39:23,060 --> 00:39:24,662

of On the Floor with Wayne and Rob.

 

1367

00:39:24,662 --> 00:39:31,936

They stay tuned for another episode of.