Wayne and Rob take a deeper dive into the hidden dangers of LVP flooring. From health issues to not being able to recycle LVP floors, they have it covered. Follow Bona US Professional online: Website: https://www1.bona.com/en-us/professional/ Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/BonaProfessional Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bonauspro/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bonapro.us/
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Hello and welcome to
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another episode of On the Floor
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with Wayne and Rob.
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I'm Wayne Highlander, National Sales
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Manager for Bona Adhesives.
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I'm Rob Johnson from Bona Training.
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Get it right.
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How are we doing?
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I'm good.
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You were over
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modulating there for a while.
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Was the modulation on that one?
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Mm hmm. Very good.
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Now I learn a lot today. Are we?
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Yes, sir.
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All right, Rob, before we get started,
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have you or a loved one
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ever lived on camp?
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Resumed between the years of 1957, 1987.
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If so, you might be eligible
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for compensation.
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I've been trying to figure out a way
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that we might have done a bowling
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alley there or something like that.
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I'd love to get into some of that late
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June money, but.
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I think it's the it was a stretch.
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Yeah.
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You know what
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I think we're going to hear one day, Rob?
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I think one day we're going to hear.
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Did you or your family members live on
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LDP floors between the years of
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1995 and 2025?
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I am so glad you said that,
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because that was part
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of what I was going to rant about today.
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Holy smokes.
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Actually, that that's exactly
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that is exactly
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what I think is going to happen
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with this stuff.
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This must be like people that really,
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really understood
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the effects
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of smoking back in the fifties
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when they were just
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I mean, just just pushing it on
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everybody.
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Kids and women and maybe women in movies,
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pregnant, smoking.
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You remember the old movies?
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Everybody was smoking all the time.
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Oh, God. Yeah.
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And it was people that surely knew
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that this was.
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Well, this is, like, so wrong.
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The study came out recently
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how harmful it is
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when exposed to children
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that lived on homes with little
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plastic floors
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and the amount of
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high levels of of toxins and everything
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that's in their blood system.
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It's atrocious.
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I have
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I swear
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that is exactly
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what's going to happen, too.
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There's going to be some lawsuits
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with this stuff
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and you're going to see it all over TV,
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just like that Camp Lejeune stuff.
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I guarantee it.
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You know, Rob,
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these vinyl floors are made
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with some of the most toxic
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manmade substance ever created.
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I mean, that is shocking to me.
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You know, the cars exposing humans
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and pets to the risk of asthma, cancer,
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kidney, lung
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and even reproductive health problems.
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And they're putting out
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miles and miles of this.
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Imagine living in a home
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that's close to Bayside
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as these homes are
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and having this in the house with
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kids running around in it.
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It's it's shocking to me.
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You know, it's a great marketing
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phrase to say luxury
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vinyl playing floors.
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You know why they say luxury vinyl plank?
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Do you know why they call it that?
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Well.
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You don't know why.
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Because I yes, I do.
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Because people aren't going to buy
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a polyvinyl chloride floor.
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That's you're
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you're afraid
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that's going to have the answer to that.
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And that's why I jumped in.
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The power through.
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I have to say something today.
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Yes. Well, I'm waiting for something.
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Anything.
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Hey, let me tell you
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a little cautionary tale here.
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I was in where was I last week?
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I was in Alabama
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and we did some training at a distributor
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there. And
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I was abso lutely blown away.
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This was a wood floored distributor.
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I was blown away
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by, I would say, 70,
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80% of the stock in that
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warehouse was lv pe
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and not wood.
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I mean, the day that I thought
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that, you know, wood would be,
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there'd be more lv pe than wood.
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I never thought that would ever happen.
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Ever.
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I was shocked.
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And even when the guy was packing up,
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the warehouse manager was
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packing up an order.
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And I walked over
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and he had a bunch of it on a skid
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and he was wrapping it up
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and I said, Man, this is sad.
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Didn't say anything.
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All I said was, This is sad.
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And I tapped on the box
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and he goes, It's
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absolutely heartbreaking.
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But that's not my tale.
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My tale is what happened to my family
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with the same kind of products.
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Okay.
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For years and years, I Sandy
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and I know I've you know,
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anybody who's seen the show,
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they know
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that I've said this stuff before, but
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I sanded and recoded
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floors are
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bowling alleys
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that my great grandfather built.
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And that was you know, for generations
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still maintaining
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the bowling alleys
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that he built all around
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New England and New York.
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And it was a whole generational thing.
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Like I said, I mean,
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that business was there for ever.
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And then in the mid-eighties,
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they started bringing out a synthetic
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bowling alley.
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Okay.
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And it wasn't people
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that were in the bowling business
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that brought it out.
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It wasn't people
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that were building wood lanes
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or anything like that
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was brought up
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by a different type of company.
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Actually, three
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M was one of the companies
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that brought it out
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and everybody started
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tearing out the wood lanes
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and putting in these synthetic lanes
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because there's no maintenance.
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There is no upkeep.
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You don't have to do anything to oh,
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no more sanding, no more recoding.
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But we were the dummies
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who were installing it.
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We were cutting our own.
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I mean, we cut our own throats,
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killing yourselves.
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We killed ourselves with this stuff.
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And when I looked around that warehouse,
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I just thought
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the same thing could happen.
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You know, once
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you start installing this stuff
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and here's what else we found
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out about all these, you know,
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lifetime lanes
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they used to call them, right? That's it.
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You put these in. Well, guess what?
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They weren't a lifetime lane.
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They had their own set of issues
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and everything.
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And, you know, a lot of them ended up
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getting ripped out
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and replaced and stuff like that.
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So
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I think that's the other thing
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people aren't understanding
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about these
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LV floors
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is there's a very short life
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span with this. Yeah.
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You know, you're ten years.
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Yeah, you're exactly right.
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The short I mean, it's really
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kind of a shortsighted deal
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for the homeowner, you know,
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because it is a short
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lifespan compared to hardwood floors
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that, you know,
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my wife and I had lunch today in the
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in the Hill
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Springs in that 190 years old.
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And there the original floors are.
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And, you know, back
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then it was probably linseed and beeswax.
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Right. And and they look stunning today.
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They look stunning.
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190 years old.
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Or 90 years old.
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And you put direct sunlight
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on these floors
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or, you know, and they talk about
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being waterproof.
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And it's it's really
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it's laughable almost to hear that
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expression
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because we're seeing
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so many issues of mold
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that's growing underneath
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these things that don't allow the
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I mean,
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they don't allow the moisture
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to pass through.
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And so
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you know,
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and then the manufacturers
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are telling you to put plastic down.
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You that's you want to make mold.
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But in the dark air,
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you put plastic down a little bit of dirt
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or whatever it it
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on the slab or the wood subfloor.
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And it's a it's a it's a great
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way to make mold.
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So you've heard of Lou, your
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I know I mentioned before.
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He played for the Yankees.
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You know, not that Lou make Lou are now
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Lou McGwire.
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I'm surprised
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you haven't seen
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him because he does a lot of
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workshops and stuff,
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conventions for conventions
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and everything he works for.
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Well, it's his company,
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LGM and Associates.
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They're
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commercial floor inspectors.
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But not only do they inspect the floors,
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but they come up with the answers
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what to do, how to, you know,
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how to fix these things.
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And I went to one of his seminars
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one time,
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and it was supposed to be on
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all different types of flooring.
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He spent the entire seminar
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just talking about the old V.P.
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It is completely taken over his business
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as far as
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ceramic tile, wood,
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all this stuff
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and commercial applications.
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He said this stuff is the worst
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and it's actually
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blown up the fastest out of anything
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that he's ever seen.
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Number one thing that they're finding
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in, you know,
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like I said, he's commercial.
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The number one issue they're finding with
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this is exactly what you just said.
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Mold.
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Mm hmm.
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Mold is the absolute number one.
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And he said, now,
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now the people
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that keep telling everybody
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that they're waterproof,
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he goes,
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it's the difference
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is like a waterproof watch
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and a water resistant watch.
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He goes, They're water resistant.
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They are not waterproof.
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He said, These things blow up
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just like a wood floor,
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but they don't come back
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like a wood floor does.
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Yeah, well, here's the thing, too.
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I mean,
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the world is quickly becoming
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overpopulated
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with this stuff in the in the dumps,
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and this stuff doesn't break down
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like other, other things.
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So were polluting the landfill
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with these products
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and there are millions
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and millions of square feet of it.
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And look at a lot of
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this is coming from
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from countries
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that is not regulated and what have you.
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And they're happy to sell it
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to us over here.
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But man,
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if there's anything I've ever seen in my
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life that's so short sighted
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as one of these flaws, and
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when you can have a,
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you know, a sustainable
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a lifetime floor
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that adds
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actual value to a home that has,
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you know,
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such a long lifespan to it
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that you can renew it,
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you can sand and finish it.
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You can change it with the decor.
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My my goodness, man.
345
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And I think this one word
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is just cut, people,
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that they did a great marketing job
348
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on this
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with talking about them being waterproof
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when you know, they're absolutely not.
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So yeah, man, I mean it to me.
352
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I know.
353
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Yeah, we've talked about this before,
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but I think this is not only
355
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is it bad for people's
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health, it's bad
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for for our industry,
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for for
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for anybody that installs hardwood floors
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and finishes
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hardwood floors
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and makes their living off the hardwood
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flooring industry.
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It's people from outside of our industry
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destroying our industry.
366
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I think that's what really ticks me off.
367
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Yeah.
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This isn't being made by
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by wood flooring manufacturers.
370
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It's not being made by by mills
371
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and things like that.
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It's it's coming from the outside.
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They're,
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you know,
375
00:11:39,031 --> 00:11:40,633
they're plucking our chickens here.
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It drives me nuts.
377
00:11:42,168 --> 00:11:43,469
And for a lot of guys,
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it looks like it's easy.
379
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Money is the lure of this.
380
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You know, it's it's easy money.
381
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But I just hope
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people are
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educating the consumer
384
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because in the end,
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I mean, I think it's better
386
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for all of us.
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You know,
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I think somebody needs
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to educate the builders because I think
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I think they're the real culprit here,
391
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because I think a lot of this
392
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is going in new construction.
393
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Mm hmm.
394
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Because it's quick, it's easy.
395
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It looks okay.
396
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It saves them
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money, saves the builder money
398
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and the homeowners.
399
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I definitely agree with you.
400
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The homeowners need to be educated on it.
401
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But, you know,
402
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when they're
403
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walking through a new house
404
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and it goes, yeah, we you know,
405
00:12:27,747 --> 00:12:29,582
we use these new waterproof floors.
406
00:12:29,582 --> 00:12:30,049
Oh, boy.
407
00:12:30,049 --> 00:12:32,651
Everybody's like, Oh, that's great.
408
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So you're right,
409
00:12:33,719 --> 00:12:36,355
we have to get to the homeowner, but
410
00:12:36,355 --> 00:12:37,857
we also have to get to the builder
411
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because just like that commercial
412
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you read there about the Camp Lagoon.
413
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Yeah,
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they're the ones who are going
415
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to be on the hook for this.
416
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
417
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I couldn't agree more.
418
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And almost every building
419
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you see right now,
420
00:12:51,637 --> 00:12:53,372
there's fall in love with this product.
421
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It's really
422
00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,476
it's it's a it's driven by profits
423
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and what have you.
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And it's not driven
425
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by the responsible thing to do.
426
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So we're,
427
00:13:02,348 --> 00:13:04,416
you know, we're we being hard on this.
428
00:13:04,416 --> 00:13:05,518
Damn right we are.
429
00:13:05,518 --> 00:13:07,219
We are being hard on it. And
430
00:13:08,254 --> 00:13:09,922
I'm trying to stand
431
00:13:09,922 --> 00:13:11,190
up for the for the industry
432
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and for the guys in it.
433
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And you are
434
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I mean, when I say I, we are Rob and I.
435
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Thank you.
436
00:13:17,396 --> 00:13:18,230
I appreciate you.
437
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Throw me in the me. Yes.
438
00:13:20,966 --> 00:13:21,267
All right.
439
00:13:21,267 --> 00:13:22,201
Thank you.
440
00:13:22,201 --> 00:13:22,902
Well.
441
00:13:22,902 --> 00:13:23,469
You know,
442
00:13:23,469 --> 00:13:23,803
I know
443
00:13:23,803 --> 00:13:25,671
sometimes you forget them on the show.
444
00:13:25,671 --> 00:13:27,173
I do. I have.
445
00:13:27,173 --> 00:13:28,507
Absolutely. Yeah, yeah.
446
00:13:28,507 --> 00:13:29,975
Yeah. Sorry. Yeah.
447
00:13:30,042 --> 00:13:31,110
You know,
448
00:13:31,110 --> 00:13:31,844
they talk about
449
00:13:31,844 --> 00:13:33,846
how much VOCs these products have to
450
00:13:34,847 --> 00:13:36,415
that when they're reckoning
451
00:13:36,415 --> 00:13:37,316
when you install these, it's
452
00:13:37,316 --> 00:13:38,684
you're opening doors and windows,
453
00:13:38,684 --> 00:13:41,086
keep the room well ventilated.
454
00:13:41,086 --> 00:13:42,788
If you have respiratory issues
455
00:13:42,788 --> 00:13:44,890
and you wear a mask
456
00:13:44,890 --> 00:13:45,291
while you're in
457
00:13:45,291 --> 00:13:46,091
just the way
458
00:13:46,091 --> 00:13:46,959
you're installing this
459
00:13:46,959 --> 00:13:49,328
because it discharges so many VOCs.
460
00:13:50,029 --> 00:13:51,463
I mean, for heaven's sakes, man.
461
00:13:52,898 --> 00:13:55,668
You know, the crazy thing is
462
00:13:55,668 --> 00:13:57,970
where everything I mean,
463
00:13:57,970 --> 00:14:00,372
think of everything that you and I do
464
00:14:00,372 --> 00:14:01,740
every day.
465
00:14:01,841 --> 00:14:05,044
How much of it revolves around eco
466
00:14:05,044 --> 00:14:09,014
friendly sustainability, all that stuff?
467
00:14:09,014 --> 00:14:09,982
I mean,
468
00:14:10,182 --> 00:14:11,417
that's all we talk about there
469
00:14:11,417 --> 00:14:13,052
in the schools.
470
00:14:13,085 --> 00:14:16,121
All your adhesive products, you know,
471
00:14:16,121 --> 00:14:17,223
they're always safer
472
00:14:17,223 --> 00:14:18,257
and better and everything
473
00:14:18,257 --> 00:14:20,492
for the environment, for the homeowner.
474
00:14:20,492 --> 00:14:24,964
And now this is taking over our industry.
475
00:14:24,964 --> 00:14:26,966
It well, here's what I don't understand.
476
00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:29,802
You know, for a while there,
477
00:14:29,802 --> 00:14:31,303
especially you go to a lot of restaurants
478
00:14:31,303 --> 00:14:33,706
know we don't use plastic straws anymore
479
00:14:33,706 --> 00:14:34,573
plastics are always,
480
00:14:34,573 --> 00:14:36,876
you know, about the environment, right?
481
00:14:36,876 --> 00:14:37,443
Yeah.
482
00:14:37,877 --> 00:14:41,280
And and they're they're don't even
483
00:14:41,580 --> 00:14:44,350
they don't even sniff
484
00:14:44,350 --> 00:14:45,851
how much plastic straws are out there
485
00:14:45,851 --> 00:14:47,386
compared to these type of floor.
486
00:14:47,386 --> 00:14:49,421
It's not even on the same radar screen.
487
00:14:50,022 --> 00:14:51,690
So my God,
488
00:14:51,690 --> 00:14:54,226
I can't wait to go into a restaurant
489
00:14:54,226 --> 00:14:55,794
that hands me a paper floor
490
00:14:55,794 --> 00:14:57,863
and I'm walking on an MVP real quick.
491
00:14:57,863 --> 00:14:58,764
Yeah, yeah.
492
00:14:58,764 --> 00:15:00,499
You're doing us all a favor, are you?
493
00:15:00,499 --> 00:15:01,567
Yeah, yeah.
494
00:15:01,567 --> 00:15:02,067
Look at my.
495
00:15:02,067 --> 00:15:03,102
My kid here trying to eat,
496
00:15:03,102 --> 00:15:04,637
and he's off gassing in front of me.
497
00:15:04,637 --> 00:15:05,371
Right.
498
00:15:05,804 --> 00:15:06,605
It's fee.
499
00:15:06,605 --> 00:15:08,173
His his feet are melting
500
00:15:08,173 --> 00:15:09,074
right in front of us.
501
00:15:10,876 --> 00:15:11,644
It is the most
502
00:15:11,644 --> 00:15:14,780
non eco friendly product out there
503
00:15:15,948 --> 00:15:17,917
and it's just taken over
504
00:15:17,917 --> 00:15:19,852
like gangbusters.
505
00:15:19,852 --> 00:15:23,389
Yeah, the wood floor, really, it's on us.
506
00:15:23,389 --> 00:15:25,291
It really is. It's on.
507
00:15:25,291 --> 00:15:27,192
It's on our contractors. It's on.
508
00:15:27,192 --> 00:15:30,396
You know, anybody whose livelihood is
509
00:15:30,396 --> 00:15:32,731
in the wood floor business
510
00:15:32,731 --> 00:15:33,966
believe me when I tell you.
511
00:15:33,966 --> 00:15:34,767
Okay,
512
00:15:34,767 --> 00:15:36,869
there's a reason that I work for Bona
513
00:15:36,869 --> 00:15:37,836
and I'm not in the Bowen
514
00:15:37,836 --> 00:15:39,571
business anymore.
515
00:15:39,571 --> 00:15:42,875
And that was one of the big reasons.
516
00:15:42,875 --> 00:15:44,343
And man,
517
00:15:44,343 --> 00:15:46,312
they just dangled that money carrot
518
00:15:46,312 --> 00:15:47,479
right in front of us.
519
00:15:47,479 --> 00:15:48,614
And
520
00:15:49,915 --> 00:15:50,616
you know,
521
00:15:50,649 --> 00:15:51,984
my family is as guilty
522
00:15:51,984 --> 00:15:54,386
as anybody at jumping on that,
523
00:15:54,386 --> 00:15:55,187
ripping out
524
00:15:55,187 --> 00:15:55,955
wood lanes
525
00:15:55,955 --> 00:15:56,989
all over the place,
526
00:15:56,989 --> 00:15:59,024
reinstalling synthetic.
527
00:15:59,024 --> 00:16:01,961
And after about eight years,
528
00:16:02,361 --> 00:16:04,663
you know, in the bowling industry,
529
00:16:04,663 --> 00:16:06,665
like I said, I worked on lanes that
530
00:16:07,299 --> 00:16:08,801
my great grandfather built.
531
00:16:08,801 --> 00:16:11,470
We had that customer, you know,
532
00:16:11,837 --> 00:16:12,972
that was our customer.
533
00:16:12,972 --> 00:16:15,341
You just had a list of customers
534
00:16:15,341 --> 00:16:16,075
that every year
535
00:16:16,075 --> 00:16:18,277
you were either doing a full sand
536
00:16:18,277 --> 00:16:20,913
or Ricoh or repairs or whatever.
537
00:16:20,913 --> 00:16:21,981
You know, you were in there
538
00:16:21,981 --> 00:16:23,749
every single year.
539
00:16:23,749 --> 00:16:25,784
Well, after eight years of synthetics,
540
00:16:26,885 --> 00:16:27,386
we lost
541
00:16:27,386 --> 00:16:30,756
about 70% of our customer base.
542
00:16:31,190 --> 00:16:32,358
And I remember,
543
00:16:32,358 --> 00:16:34,593
you know, we were looking at
544
00:16:34,593 --> 00:16:34,860
you know,
545
00:16:34,860 --> 00:16:36,295
we were looking at the summer book
546
00:16:36,295 --> 00:16:38,530
one day and we're like, what?
547
00:16:38,530 --> 00:16:39,631
What's going on?
548
00:16:39,631 --> 00:16:40,733
You know what I mean?
549
00:16:40,733 --> 00:16:42,201
Usually it's like
550
00:16:42,201 --> 00:16:44,370
we're starting by April.
551
00:16:44,370 --> 00:16:46,005
It was until like June
552
00:16:46,005 --> 00:16:47,940
that we were starting to get in and
553
00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:49,742
but we had, you know,
554
00:16:49,742 --> 00:16:50,175
what do they
555
00:16:50,175 --> 00:16:52,211
how do they say that we cut our nose off
556
00:16:52,211 --> 00:16:53,712
despite our face or whatever.
557
00:16:53,712 --> 00:16:56,181
But, you know, we went for that money.
558
00:16:56,415 --> 00:16:58,117
We went for the money grab
559
00:16:58,117 --> 00:17:00,185
doing all these synthetics
560
00:17:00,185 --> 00:17:02,121
and completely wiped ourselves out.
561
00:17:02,121 --> 00:17:04,490
And I just don't want to see that happen
562
00:17:04,823 --> 00:17:07,192
a second time in my lifetime.
563
00:17:07,192 --> 00:17:08,494
And I think the time is
564
00:17:08,494 --> 00:17:09,161
that's the that's
565
00:17:09,161 --> 00:17:11,163
the urgency to me is that is
566
00:17:11,163 --> 00:17:12,498
we need to save our our
567
00:17:12,498 --> 00:17:15,000
our industry here.
568
00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,702
We really need to look at that.
569
00:17:16,702 --> 00:17:17,269
I mean, there's enough
570
00:17:17,269 --> 00:17:19,071
challenges out there as it is.
571
00:17:19,071 --> 00:17:20,506
I mean, the retailers
572
00:17:20,506 --> 00:17:21,073
and I'll tell you,
573
00:17:21,073 --> 00:17:21,807
if retail doesn't
574
00:17:21,807 --> 00:17:22,708
figure out the challenge
575
00:17:22,708 --> 00:17:24,810
pretty soon of of labor
576
00:17:24,810 --> 00:17:25,477
in five years,
577
00:17:25,477 --> 00:17:27,579
it won't be any more retail stores.
578
00:17:27,579 --> 00:17:30,582
I mean, so I if everybody keeps
579
00:17:30,582 --> 00:17:32,751
look taken a blind eye towards this and
580
00:17:32,751 --> 00:17:33,752
look in the other direction
581
00:17:34,853 --> 00:17:35,320
and
582
00:17:36,188 --> 00:17:37,222
I think the industry
583
00:17:37,222 --> 00:17:38,791
is going to be hurting for it.
584
00:17:38,791 --> 00:17:41,927
You know, they're also when we got done
585
00:17:42,127 --> 00:17:43,062
installing a floor,
586
00:17:43,062 --> 00:17:45,264
even the pre finished floor
587
00:17:45,264 --> 00:17:47,433
I'm partial to I'm a stand and finish guy
588
00:17:47,433 --> 00:17:48,901
as you are to rob
589
00:17:48,901 --> 00:17:50,402
but so when you get done
590
00:17:50,402 --> 00:17:51,003
at the end of the day
591
00:17:51,003 --> 00:17:51,637
you've installed
592
00:17:51,637 --> 00:17:53,072
sand on the floor and finished the floor
593
00:17:53,072 --> 00:17:54,840
or even a pre finished floor
594
00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:56,041
and you're done with that install
595
00:17:56,041 --> 00:17:56,608
and you stand back,
596
00:17:56,608 --> 00:17:57,609
you look at it
597
00:17:57,609 --> 00:17:59,311
took a craftsman to do that,
598
00:17:59,311 --> 00:17:59,878
you know what I mean?
599
00:17:59,878 --> 00:18:00,512
You look back
600
00:18:00,512 --> 00:18:03,248
saying not a lot of guys can do this
601
00:18:03,949 --> 00:18:05,084
and these type of flaws,
602
00:18:05,084 --> 00:18:06,752
like anybody can put these floors down
603
00:18:06,752 --> 00:18:07,653
and it doesn't take a
604
00:18:07,653 --> 00:18:09,221
I mean, I'm not knocking
605
00:18:09,221 --> 00:18:11,023
whatever but a whole lot easier
606
00:18:11,023 --> 00:18:12,191
to put one of these floors down
607
00:18:12,191 --> 00:18:13,625
as far as technical
608
00:18:13,625 --> 00:18:16,595
technically than in a real floor.
609
00:18:16,595 --> 00:18:17,830
Right. Mhm.
610
00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:18,564
So
611
00:18:18,564 --> 00:18:19,531
and when you then
612
00:18:19,531 --> 00:18:20,732
if you look at repairability of
613
00:18:20,732 --> 00:18:23,335
these floors, you know, let's look
614
00:18:24,536 --> 00:18:25,771
for the homeowner
615
00:18:25,771 --> 00:18:26,038
trying to
616
00:18:26,038 --> 00:18:29,775
repair one of these floors down the road
617
00:18:29,775 --> 00:18:30,142
there.
618
00:18:30,142 --> 00:18:33,045
There is no repairability, it's in place.
619
00:18:33,045 --> 00:18:33,579
Yeah.
620
00:18:33,579 --> 00:18:34,580
It's replace,
621
00:18:34,580 --> 00:18:36,281
you know that document
622
00:18:36,281 --> 00:18:37,983
that you had sent me
623
00:18:37,983 --> 00:18:38,317
and I,
624
00:18:38,317 --> 00:18:39,852
you know, I looked up some more stuff
625
00:18:39,852 --> 00:18:40,252
about what
626
00:18:40,252 --> 00:18:42,221
we're going to talk about today.
627
00:18:42,221 --> 00:18:44,556
I had no idea
628
00:18:44,556 --> 00:18:48,160
how bad these things weren't sunlight.
629
00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,663
You could always call me.
630
00:18:51,663 --> 00:18:52,531
I'd rather
631
00:18:52,531 --> 00:18:54,333
figure this stuff out on my own
632
00:18:54,333 --> 00:18:54,633
there
633
00:18:54,700 --> 00:18:56,902
as much as I like to call, you know.
634
00:18:57,603 --> 00:18:59,671
But the one article I was reading,
635
00:19:00,672 --> 00:19:02,941
they were saying to tell your homeowner,
636
00:19:02,941 --> 00:19:04,109
Yeah, if you get sunlight,
637
00:19:04,109 --> 00:19:05,344
make sure you put carpet
638
00:19:05,344 --> 00:19:07,112
there, put your big furniture over
639
00:19:07,112 --> 00:19:08,347
in that area,
640
00:19:08,347 --> 00:19:09,848
you know, move things around.
641
00:19:09,848 --> 00:19:11,450
So the sunlight doesn't really hit
642
00:19:11,450 --> 00:19:13,185
these floors. I was like, you got to be
643
00:19:14,686 --> 00:19:16,021
where are these people living?
644
00:19:16,021 --> 00:19:16,321
I mean,
645
00:19:16,321 --> 00:19:18,790
so many of the jobs that we run into now
646
00:19:18,824 --> 00:19:22,127
are all windows, tons of sunlight.
647
00:19:22,694 --> 00:19:24,663
Who's living in these caves now
648
00:19:24,663 --> 00:19:28,867
where there's no sunlight?
649
00:19:28,867 --> 00:19:31,336
Yeah, anywhere.
650
00:19:31,336 --> 00:19:32,304
You living in the south?
651
00:19:32,304 --> 00:19:32,771
Anywhere. Anywhere.
652
00:19:32,771 --> 00:19:34,139
You got exposure to the light
653
00:19:34,139 --> 00:19:34,873
hitting a certain part
654
00:19:34,873 --> 00:19:35,541
of your house, right?
655
00:19:35,541 --> 00:19:36,642
You know what I mean?
656
00:19:36,642 --> 00:19:37,776
It can be wreak
657
00:19:37,776 --> 00:19:39,711
havoc on these type of floors
658
00:19:39,711 --> 00:19:41,280
and you're seeing these floors
659
00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,216
shrink lengthwise.
660
00:19:44,216 --> 00:19:46,118
I've seen some brutal shrinkage
661
00:19:46,118 --> 00:19:48,787
on these floors. On these floors.
662
00:19:48,787 --> 00:19:50,155
Lengthwise.
663
00:19:50,155 --> 00:19:52,357
Really? Yes.
664
00:19:52,357 --> 00:19:54,092
We have a friend of ours that
665
00:19:54,092 --> 00:19:54,793
they bought the house
666
00:19:54,793 --> 00:19:56,562
and she asked me,
667
00:19:56,562 --> 00:19:57,696
what can you do with these floors?
668
00:19:57,696 --> 00:19:58,463
And I started laughing.
669
00:19:58,463 --> 00:19:59,565
I mean, it was
670
00:19:59,565 --> 00:20:01,867
it was hideous looking, so.
671
00:20:01,867 --> 00:20:02,601
Yeah.
672
00:20:02,601 --> 00:20:05,537
So oh, yeah.
673
00:20:05,871 --> 00:20:07,306
So sunlight is not a friend
674
00:20:07,306 --> 00:20:08,707
with these type of products.
675
00:20:10,108 --> 00:20:12,077
A lot of inconsistency
676
00:20:12,077 --> 00:20:14,012
in the quality too,
677
00:20:14,012 --> 00:20:15,847
depending on what brand you choose.
678
00:20:15,847 --> 00:20:16,181
I mean, there's
679
00:20:16,181 --> 00:20:16,882
some of the quality out
680
00:20:16,882 --> 00:20:18,116
there is just brutal.
681
00:20:18,116 --> 00:20:19,251
And then you're trying to match them
682
00:20:19,251 --> 00:20:20,819
later down the road and everything.
683
00:20:20,819 --> 00:20:22,854
And you can't repair a plane
684
00:20:22,854 --> 00:20:25,057
like that, like a hardwood floor
685
00:20:25,057 --> 00:20:26,491
where could repair one of the planks
686
00:20:26,491 --> 00:20:26,825
and do,
687
00:20:26,825 --> 00:20:28,560
you know, chase the grain or whatever.
688
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,862
And there's no repair in these things,
689
00:20:31,530 --> 00:20:33,732
so. Oh, I don't know, man.
690
00:20:33,732 --> 00:20:34,933
I just think
691
00:20:34,933 --> 00:20:35,367
there needs to be
692
00:20:35,367 --> 00:20:36,668
a sense of urgency around these.
693
00:20:36,668 --> 00:20:37,502
And I wish one of
694
00:20:37,502 --> 00:20:38,403
the organizations
695
00:20:38,403 --> 00:20:40,639
would get behind this more.
696
00:20:40,639 --> 00:20:41,240
And really,
697
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:41,840
I don't know why
698
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,008
the flooring industry doesn't
699
00:20:43,008 --> 00:20:44,409
doesn't put our message out there.
700
00:20:44,409 --> 00:20:45,644
And I'll tell you what,
701
00:20:45,644 --> 00:20:47,246
if I was one of the big wood
702
00:20:47,246 --> 00:20:49,081
flooring manufacturers,
703
00:20:49,081 --> 00:20:49,848
I would get together
704
00:20:49,848 --> 00:20:51,883
with the rest of them and say, look,
705
00:20:51,883 --> 00:20:53,151
we better, we better,
706
00:20:53,151 --> 00:20:55,420
we better put a message out.
707
00:20:55,420 --> 00:20:56,355
We better
708
00:20:56,355 --> 00:20:57,589
start having a backbone
709
00:20:57,589 --> 00:20:59,925
and start fighting back
710
00:20:59,925 --> 00:21:00,726
because you're letting it
711
00:21:00,726 --> 00:21:02,160
get away from you
712
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,062
and, you know, you guys,
713
00:21:04,062 --> 00:21:05,097
I would think they would want
714
00:21:05,097 --> 00:21:06,598
to lead the charge on this.
715
00:21:06,598 --> 00:21:08,100
If you put everybody together,
716
00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:09,401
all of them together,
717
00:21:09,401 --> 00:21:10,068
everybody put
718
00:21:10,068 --> 00:21:11,136
in a certain amount of money
719
00:21:11,136 --> 00:21:15,641
and they'd do their own advertising.
720
00:21:15,641 --> 00:21:17,776
And I think it would make a hell
721
00:21:17,776 --> 00:21:18,944
of a lot of sense to me. Oh.
722
00:21:20,212 --> 00:21:20,779
My God.
723
00:21:20,779 --> 00:21:21,013
Yeah.
724
00:21:21,013 --> 00:21:21,680
I mean,
725
00:21:22,281 --> 00:21:23,949
especially just what you said,
726
00:21:23,949 --> 00:21:25,817
you know, the mills
727
00:21:25,817 --> 00:21:28,120
why the mills aren't all.
728
00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:29,655
And I'm hoping somebody from the mill
729
00:21:29,655 --> 00:21:30,589
just heard what I said
730
00:21:30,589 --> 00:21:31,590
when I was walking around
731
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:33,659
that distributor last week thinking,
732
00:21:34,426 --> 00:21:37,195
holy crap, where's the wood?
733
00:21:37,195 --> 00:21:39,264
And for and for mills that are saying,
734
00:21:39,264 --> 00:21:40,332
well, we'll just get in
735
00:21:40,332 --> 00:21:41,800
this game as well and offer
736
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,168
one of these as well.
737
00:21:43,168 --> 00:21:44,469
I think you're also
738
00:21:44,469 --> 00:21:45,871
kind of cutting your throat.
739
00:21:45,871 --> 00:21:46,905
Just take it.
740
00:21:46,905 --> 00:21:48,173
You're too late.
741
00:21:48,173 --> 00:21:49,107
It's you know,
742
00:21:49,107 --> 00:21:49,975
well, you just like you
743
00:21:49,975 --> 00:21:50,976
said, most of the stuff's
744
00:21:50,976 --> 00:21:52,477
coming from someplace
745
00:21:52,477 --> 00:21:53,879
in Indonesia, Asia,
746
00:21:53,879 --> 00:21:55,380
where they just don't
747
00:21:55,380 --> 00:21:56,915
have the same guidelines
748
00:21:56,915 --> 00:21:58,717
that we have over here.
749
00:21:58,717 --> 00:22:01,186
But, you know, all they have to do
750
00:22:02,387 --> 00:22:03,622
to me is simple.
751
00:22:04,589 --> 00:22:05,857
Everything now,
752
00:22:05,857 --> 00:22:07,693
it's all we hear about
753
00:22:07,693 --> 00:22:09,361
is the environment.
754
00:22:09,361 --> 00:22:12,230
Everything is the environment, right.
755
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:14,800
That's that's all that's all we hear.
756
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,802
Wind and solar environment, environment,
757
00:22:16,835 --> 00:22:19,004
recycling the whole deal.
758
00:22:19,004 --> 00:22:22,274
These floors are very hard to recycle.
759
00:22:22,274 --> 00:22:23,742
It's not like a plastic milk
760
00:22:23,742 --> 00:22:25,510
junk that you can recycle and use.
761
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:27,846
Again, these things are poison,
762
00:22:27,846 --> 00:22:29,414
so you can't recycle poison.
763
00:22:29,414 --> 00:22:31,283
It's very difficult to recycle
764
00:22:31,283 --> 00:22:32,417
these floors
765
00:22:32,784 --> 00:22:33,352
come ten,
766
00:22:33,352 --> 00:22:33,985
12 years
767
00:22:33,985 --> 00:22:34,619
down the road
768
00:22:34,619 --> 00:22:35,587
when all this stuff starts
769
00:22:35,587 --> 00:22:37,189
getting ripped out
770
00:22:37,189 --> 00:22:38,724
that they're not sure
771
00:22:38,724 --> 00:22:40,425
what they're going to do with it.
772
00:22:40,425 --> 00:22:42,461
Yeah, yeah.
773
00:22:42,527 --> 00:22:43,395
I don't know what.
774
00:22:43,395 --> 00:22:44,262
All these wood
775
00:22:44,262 --> 00:22:46,331
mills, I mean, they got to be feeling it,
776
00:22:48,066 --> 00:22:48,500
you know,
777
00:22:48,500 --> 00:22:49,501
they got to be feeling
778
00:22:49,501 --> 00:22:50,302
I mean, we're,
779
00:22:50,302 --> 00:22:51,470
you know, deep down,
780
00:22:51,470 --> 00:22:52,270
we're floor standards.
781
00:22:52,270 --> 00:22:53,672
So there's going to be
782
00:22:53,672 --> 00:22:55,340
a lot of wood floors and sand out there.
783
00:22:55,340 --> 00:22:57,409
But every time we put one of these in
784
00:22:58,110 --> 00:23:00,045
and just crossing off another house,
785
00:23:00,045 --> 00:23:00,712
you know,
786
00:23:00,879 --> 00:23:01,780
you just crossing off
787
00:23:01,780 --> 00:23:03,148
another bowling alley, it
788
00:23:04,383 --> 00:23:04,983
trust me.
789
00:23:04,983 --> 00:23:05,584
Believe me when
790
00:23:05,584 --> 00:23:07,018
I say this, I mean, it
791
00:23:07,018 --> 00:23:09,688
absolutely destroyed our family business
792
00:23:10,555 --> 00:23:11,923
with the synthetics.
793
00:23:11,923 --> 00:23:14,292
And man, I see this,
794
00:23:14,292 --> 00:23:15,093
you know, of course
795
00:23:15,093 --> 00:23:17,329
it's a much larger scale.
796
00:23:17,329 --> 00:23:19,965
Um, well, the volumes it was a,
797
00:23:19,965 --> 00:23:20,332
you know,
798
00:23:20,332 --> 00:23:21,767
a much smaller industry
799
00:23:21,767 --> 00:23:24,002
that got hit by this, but
800
00:23:24,002 --> 00:23:25,003
and it wiped us out
801
00:23:25,003 --> 00:23:26,471
in less than ten years.
802
00:23:26,471 --> 00:23:28,173
Well, that's a lesson
803
00:23:28,173 --> 00:23:29,207
that's always a lesson
804
00:23:29,207 --> 00:23:31,343
for what could happen to our industry
805
00:23:31,343 --> 00:23:33,445
now, no question about it.
806
00:23:33,879 --> 00:23:35,414
And, um, frankly, I don't care, you know,
807
00:23:35,414 --> 00:23:36,748
you see them in high end homes,
808
00:23:36,748 --> 00:23:38,250
but when I walk in and see one of these
809
00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:39,151
now, I just,
810
00:23:39,151 --> 00:23:40,652
it just doesn't do anything for me,
811
00:23:40,652 --> 00:23:41,453
you know what I mean?
812
00:23:41,453 --> 00:23:44,055
It's all about adding value to the home.
813
00:23:44,055 --> 00:23:45,757
Just doesn't really.
814
00:23:45,757 --> 00:23:47,025
There is no way
815
00:23:47,025 --> 00:23:49,027
that this can add value to. The home.
816
00:23:49,027 --> 00:23:51,062
No, no way.
817
00:23:51,062 --> 00:23:54,332
No, they kind of cheapen here,
818
00:23:54,433 --> 00:23:54,633
you know,
819
00:23:54,633 --> 00:23:56,001
especially when you see a new home
820
00:23:56,001 --> 00:23:57,102
and it has these type of floors.
821
00:23:57,102 --> 00:23:59,104
To me, it's an indication of cheapness.
822
00:23:59,104 --> 00:24:01,239
Then I started looking around about
823
00:24:01,239 --> 00:24:02,808
the cabinets. Now.
824
00:24:02,808 --> 00:24:03,408
But what else did
825
00:24:03,408 --> 00:24:04,576
where else did they cheap out?
826
00:24:04,576 --> 00:24:05,444
Because it was quick
827
00:24:05,444 --> 00:24:06,211
and they could get it done,
828
00:24:06,211 --> 00:24:07,279
you know what I mean?
829
00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:09,147
And so then you go in the bathroom,
830
00:24:09,147 --> 00:24:09,347
you go
831
00:24:09,347 --> 00:24:10,315
the tile raggedy yanked
832
00:24:10,315 --> 00:24:11,483
that off the wall,
833
00:24:11,483 --> 00:24:13,351
you know, just just to prove a point.
834
00:24:13,351 --> 00:24:13,618
Yeah.
835
00:24:14,219 --> 00:24:15,086
So this is what you spend
836
00:24:15,086 --> 00:24:15,720
your time doing.
837
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,489
Going around, looking at your home.
838
00:24:17,489 --> 00:24:18,590
Looking at home, just looking at it.
839
00:24:18,590 --> 00:24:19,458
Looking at homes.
840
00:24:19,458 --> 00:24:21,560
Seems to tell. Rakoff Yeah.
841
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:22,861
Carry marbles with me saying
842
00:24:22,861 --> 00:24:24,129
say this floor is at a level
843
00:24:27,365 --> 00:24:29,334
of the baseboard off the wall.
844
00:24:29,334 --> 00:24:30,602
Those are the days it's raining
845
00:24:30,602 --> 00:24:31,837
and you can't go fishing.
846
00:24:31,837 --> 00:24:34,473
Yeah, yeah.
847
00:24:34,473 --> 00:24:35,941
You need something to do.
848
00:24:35,941 --> 00:24:36,608
Yeah.
849
00:24:36,908 --> 00:24:38,043
So, I don't know, man.
850
00:24:38,043 --> 00:24:39,077
I just, I,
851
00:24:39,077 --> 00:24:39,811
you know, Rob,
852
00:24:39,811 --> 00:24:41,613
you and I are on the same page with this.
853
00:24:41,613 --> 00:24:43,315
It's frightening to us
854
00:24:43,315 --> 00:24:44,716
for a lot of reasons.
855
00:24:44,716 --> 00:24:45,917
One, that, like you said,
856
00:24:45,917 --> 00:24:46,251
I mean,
857
00:24:46,251 --> 00:24:48,620
it's a threat to our livelihood, I think,
858
00:24:48,620 --> 00:24:49,488
and it would kill off
859
00:24:49,488 --> 00:24:51,089
a damn good industry that we're
860
00:24:51,089 --> 00:24:51,723
damn good,
861
00:24:51,723 --> 00:24:53,959
hardworking people, that that the message
862
00:24:53,959 --> 00:24:55,460
is sustaining ability.
863
00:24:55,460 --> 00:24:57,529
The message is is is so
864
00:24:57,729 --> 00:24:58,463
I mean,
865
00:24:58,630 --> 00:25:00,832
it's just a great industry to work in
866
00:25:01,199 --> 00:25:02,934
that could go by the wayside with this
867
00:25:02,934 --> 00:25:04,002
this cheap crap
868
00:25:04,002 --> 00:25:06,304
and then once they realize what it is
869
00:25:06,304 --> 00:25:08,173
and then all the issues come around it,
870
00:25:08,173 --> 00:25:09,474
there's not going to be any guys left
871
00:25:09,474 --> 00:25:10,509
to make a difference in the
872
00:25:10,509 --> 00:25:12,477
harbor for any industry. So
873
00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:17,148
there you go.
874
00:25:17,148 --> 00:25:19,184
There you go.
875
00:25:19,351 --> 00:25:21,019
So here's another article.
876
00:25:21,019 --> 00:25:22,554
Researchers of researchers
877
00:25:22,554 --> 00:25:24,890
have found that children living in homes
878
00:25:24,890 --> 00:25:26,491
with vinyl flooring
879
00:25:26,491 --> 00:25:26,892
and sofa
880
00:25:26,892 --> 00:25:27,893
treated with retarded
881
00:25:27,893 --> 00:25:28,527
chemicals show
882
00:25:28,527 --> 00:25:29,361
increased levels
883
00:25:29,361 --> 00:25:30,962
of certain toxic chemicals.
884
00:25:30,962 --> 00:25:32,430
These chemicals have been associated
885
00:25:32,430 --> 00:25:33,932
with serious health issues,
886
00:25:33,932 --> 00:25:35,367
including respiratory
887
00:25:35,367 --> 00:25:36,668
problems, neurological
888
00:25:36,668 --> 00:25:38,803
neurological problems for kids,
889
00:25:38,803 --> 00:25:41,139
skin irritation and cancer.
890
00:25:41,139 --> 00:25:41,907
Parents. Parents.
891
00:25:41,907 --> 00:25:43,708
Warning, parental warning.
892
00:25:43,708 --> 00:25:46,878
Harmful chemicals in vinyl floors.
893
00:25:46,878 --> 00:25:48,446
All that weird
894
00:25:48,446 --> 00:25:49,915
that they found this, though,
895
00:25:49,915 --> 00:25:51,516
in the kids, right?
896
00:25:51,516 --> 00:25:52,017
Yeah.
897
00:25:52,017 --> 00:25:52,684
It's weird.
898
00:25:52,684 --> 00:25:55,053
On that in the kids urine.
899
00:25:55,053 --> 00:25:57,122
Way to dumb like us
900
00:25:57,122 --> 00:25:59,991
as you're talking about nobody else is
901
00:25:59,991 --> 00:26:01,126
you know what I mean?
902
00:26:01,259 --> 00:26:02,027
I feel like.
903
00:26:02,027 --> 00:26:03,762
What was that Nader guy?
904
00:26:03,762 --> 00:26:05,864
You remember him?
905
00:26:05,864 --> 00:26:06,932
Ralph Nader.
906
00:26:06,932 --> 00:26:08,900
Ralph Nader? Mm hmm.
907
00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:10,168
Was exposing all kinds of stuff.
908
00:26:10,168 --> 00:26:12,437
We are the 60 minutes now of
909
00:26:13,438 --> 00:26:14,039
of
910
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:15,807
investigative.
911
00:26:15,807 --> 00:26:16,007
We're going
912
00:26:16,007 --> 00:26:18,143
to be investigative journalists
913
00:26:18,143 --> 00:26:19,244
when we're done with this.
914
00:26:19,244 --> 00:26:20,245
You know, Ralph Nader,
915
00:26:20,245 --> 00:26:22,314
work for my grandparents.
916
00:26:22,314 --> 00:26:23,281
You're kidding.
917
00:26:23,281 --> 00:26:24,482
Swear to go work.
918
00:26:24,482 --> 00:26:26,551
Former investigated your parents.
919
00:26:27,118 --> 00:26:29,354
He worked Ralph Nader work
920
00:26:29,354 --> 00:26:30,789
for my grandparents.
921
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:32,924
You're like an onion every day I
922
00:26:32,924 --> 00:26:34,292
something more interesting comes my.
923
00:26:34,292 --> 00:26:36,795
Grandparents owned a very small
924
00:26:36,795 --> 00:26:39,431
bowling alley in Harvard Square
925
00:26:40,231 --> 00:26:42,968
was a 12 lane bowling alley downstairs.
926
00:26:43,435 --> 00:26:44,903
Harvard Square.
927
00:26:44,903 --> 00:26:47,572
Ralph Nader went to Harvard.
928
00:26:47,572 --> 00:26:50,942
He was working at my grandparents
929
00:26:50,942 --> 00:26:52,243
bowling alley.
930
00:26:52,243 --> 00:26:53,812
I remember my grandmother
931
00:26:53,812 --> 00:26:54,646
because we were talking
932
00:26:54,646 --> 00:26:55,380
long time ago,
933
00:26:55,380 --> 00:26:55,914
talking about who's
934
00:26:55,914 --> 00:26:57,282
running for president.
935
00:26:57,282 --> 00:26:58,950
And she went out and got his pay stub.
936
00:26:58,950 --> 00:27:01,052
She hung on to his pay stubs
937
00:27:01,386 --> 00:27:04,589
from, you know, had to be in the fifties.
938
00:27:04,623 --> 00:27:05,256
Yeah.
939
00:27:05,991 --> 00:27:07,325
That is the Ralph Nader.
940
00:27:07,325 --> 00:27:09,060
He worked for us.
941
00:27:09,060 --> 00:27:10,161
He was from Connecticut.
942
00:27:11,363 --> 00:27:13,398
And one day
943
00:27:13,398 --> 00:27:14,566
he's looking at my grandfather
944
00:27:14,566 --> 00:27:15,066
and he goes,
945
00:27:15,066 --> 00:27:18,003
This is the most unbelievable business
946
00:27:18,003 --> 00:27:19,671
I've ever seen.
947
00:27:19,671 --> 00:27:21,673
He said, You just walk away
948
00:27:21,673 --> 00:27:24,309
with piles of cash every single day
949
00:27:24,709 --> 00:27:26,745
and you don't put anything out there,
950
00:27:26,745 --> 00:27:28,680
right? Nader He's going to Harvard.
951
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:29,581
Yeah.
952
00:27:29,748 --> 00:27:32,517
So everything he looks at is business.
953
00:27:32,851 --> 00:27:33,818
My grandfather's like, what?
954
00:27:33,818 --> 00:27:34,653
What are you talking about?
955
00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:36,588
I got to pay for two for the lights,
956
00:27:36,588 --> 00:27:37,322
for this for dad.
957
00:27:37,322 --> 00:27:39,691
He goes, Look at Mr. Johnson.
958
00:27:39,691 --> 00:27:41,793
My family's in the restaurant business,
959
00:27:42,727 --> 00:27:43,261
okay?
960
00:27:43,261 --> 00:27:44,729
And we charge so much
961
00:27:44,729 --> 00:27:46,531
for a plate of food, but
962
00:27:46,531 --> 00:27:47,966
we have to still pay for the heat,
963
00:27:47,966 --> 00:27:49,134
the lights and everything,
964
00:27:49,134 --> 00:27:51,169
and we have to pay for all their food.
965
00:27:52,203 --> 00:27:54,139
You know, we pay your care,
966
00:27:54,139 --> 00:27:56,374
we do all that, and then we sell it.
967
00:27:56,374 --> 00:27:57,242
He goes,
968
00:27:57,242 --> 00:27:58,376
You just sit here,
969
00:27:58,376 --> 00:28:00,545
flip a switch and collect money.
970
00:28:00,578 --> 00:28:04,349
And you're good.
971
00:28:04,349 --> 00:28:05,417
That's a good point.
972
00:28:05,417 --> 00:28:08,820
He said that he he said Nader couldn't
973
00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:10,188
wrap his head around it
974
00:28:10,188 --> 00:28:11,556
because he was the guy
975
00:28:11,556 --> 00:28:13,091
working the register. Right.
976
00:28:13,091 --> 00:28:14,659
You run right.
977
00:28:14,659 --> 00:28:15,960
He goes even the shoes
978
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,062
you get the shoes back,
979
00:28:17,062 --> 00:28:18,430
you give him the same pair of shoes.
980
00:28:18,430 --> 00:28:19,531
They give us $0.50.
981
00:28:19,531 --> 00:28:20,331
You keep
982
00:28:20,331 --> 00:28:22,100
you keep giving the same shoes back to.
983
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:22,467
People
984
00:28:25,270 --> 00:28:27,038
as a trip.
985
00:28:27,038 --> 00:28:29,340
Yeah, yeah. Wow, wow.
986
00:28:29,340 --> 00:28:30,008
My grandma,
987
00:28:30,008 --> 00:28:32,243
even my my grandmother's saying,
988
00:28:32,243 --> 00:28:33,745
oh, Robby, he was a thinker.
989
00:28:33,745 --> 00:28:35,680
He was always writing, scribbling stuff.
990
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,382
He was a thinker.
991
00:28:37,382 --> 00:28:39,184
And he goes, this whole business
992
00:28:39,184 --> 00:28:40,585
drove him crazy.
993
00:28:40,585 --> 00:28:42,721
Wow.
994
00:28:42,721 --> 00:28:44,155
As a trip.
995
00:28:44,622 --> 00:28:45,457
All right, Rob.
996
00:28:45,457 --> 00:28:47,125
Well, I don't think we have much more
997
00:28:47,125 --> 00:28:48,026
to add to this.
998
00:28:48,026 --> 00:28:50,929
I just we're talking about Ralph Nader.
999
00:28:50,929 --> 00:28:53,131
We're really showing our age. Yeah.
1000
00:28:53,732 --> 00:28:54,032
You know what
1001
00:28:54,032 --> 00:28:55,233
I think I would do, though,
1002
00:28:55,233 --> 00:28:57,235
if I was estimating a job
1003
00:28:57,235 --> 00:28:58,837
and I know a homeowner wanted
1004
00:28:58,837 --> 00:28:59,938
one of these floors,
1005
00:28:59,938 --> 00:29:01,239
I'd just say, listen,
1006
00:29:01,239 --> 00:29:03,274
listen to the podcast.
1007
00:29:03,441 --> 00:29:04,409
This is a podcast
1008
00:29:04,409 --> 00:29:05,577
and you still want one of the floors.
1009
00:29:05,577 --> 00:29:06,511
And, you know, I don't
1010
00:29:06,511 --> 00:29:08,413
I don't know what to tell you, but
1011
00:29:08,413 --> 00:29:09,414
I just think that there's
1012
00:29:09,414 --> 00:29:11,783
not a lot of education out there
1013
00:29:11,783 --> 00:29:12,817
to the to the clients.
1014
00:29:12,817 --> 00:29:13,718
And it's a disservice.
1015
00:29:13,718 --> 00:29:15,019
And I wonder how many people
1016
00:29:15,019 --> 00:29:17,355
would actually choose those floors.
1017
00:29:17,355 --> 00:29:18,456
We go in a store and see,
1018
00:29:18,456 --> 00:29:19,524
I want that floor.
1019
00:29:19,524 --> 00:29:21,092
If they knew
1020
00:29:21,092 --> 00:29:22,660
really what is out there
1021
00:29:22,660 --> 00:29:24,162
about this, these floors.
1022
00:29:24,162 --> 00:29:26,197
All one person has to do
1023
00:29:26,197 --> 00:29:27,832
is what I did
1024
00:29:27,832 --> 00:29:30,201
or getting ready for the show.
1025
00:29:30,201 --> 00:29:33,304
I googled issues with lvp floor.
1026
00:29:33,738 --> 00:29:34,506
I just googled it.
1027
00:29:35,673 --> 00:29:37,308
There are hundreds
1028
00:29:37,308 --> 00:29:38,943
and hundreds
1029
00:29:38,943 --> 00:29:41,279
in there from all sorts of different
1030
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,414
you know, it would be one thing
1031
00:29:43,414 --> 00:29:45,049
if we, you know, we read this story,
1032
00:29:45,049 --> 00:29:46,184
oh, it's from the National Wood
1033
00:29:46,184 --> 00:29:46,885
Floors, right?
1034
00:29:46,885 --> 00:29:48,153
If a homeowner said,
1035
00:29:48,153 --> 00:29:49,320
oh, well, yeah,
1036
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:49,587
you know,
1037
00:29:49,587 --> 00:29:50,255
that story is from
1038
00:29:50,255 --> 00:29:52,290
the National Wood Floor Association.
1039
00:29:52,290 --> 00:29:52,891
You know where I got
1040
00:29:52,891 --> 00:29:54,225
a lot of today's stuff.
1041
00:29:54,225 --> 00:29:56,227
Hmm. Web, m.d.
1042
00:29:56,761 --> 00:29:57,662
Wow.
1043
00:29:58,163 --> 00:30:00,198
Web was talking about
1044
00:30:00,198 --> 00:30:02,233
how bad this stuff is for you.
1045
00:30:02,233 --> 00:30:04,235
Well, let me ask you this.
1046
00:30:04,235 --> 00:30:06,204
So some people will say to yourself,
1047
00:30:06,204 --> 00:30:07,038
all right, well,
1048
00:30:07,038 --> 00:30:07,405
you know,
1049
00:30:07,405 --> 00:30:08,807
we're young, it's our starter home.
1050
00:30:08,807 --> 00:30:10,809
So, you know, let me ask you,
1051
00:30:10,809 --> 00:30:11,576
how long did you live in
1052
00:30:11,576 --> 00:30:13,011
your starter home?
1053
00:30:13,144 --> 00:30:13,845
My starter.
1054
00:30:13,845 --> 00:30:15,547
I'm still living in my starter home.
1055
00:30:15,547 --> 00:30:17,782
Actually, I lived in mine for 30 years.
1056
00:30:17,782 --> 00:30:18,616
Yeah, it is.
1057
00:30:18,616 --> 00:30:19,617
My my
1058
00:30:19,617 --> 00:30:20,552
my starter home
1059
00:30:20,552 --> 00:30:22,153
is now our retirement castle.
1060
00:30:22,153 --> 00:30:23,822
Yeah. Yes, yes.
1061
00:30:23,822 --> 00:30:26,057
So some people say,
1062
00:30:26,057 --> 00:30:28,359
oh, hardwood floors is too expensive.
1063
00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:29,627
Look at the real cost
1064
00:30:29,627 --> 00:30:31,563
and it'll be pennies a day
1065
00:30:31,563 --> 00:30:33,231
versus that type of product.
1066
00:30:33,231 --> 00:30:33,898
And the house
1067
00:30:33,898 --> 00:30:36,401
that was built in the fifties.
1068
00:30:36,401 --> 00:30:37,235
Wow.
1069
00:30:37,735 --> 00:30:40,438
My house was built back in the fifties.
1070
00:30:40,438 --> 00:30:43,341
I've, I sanded it. Um,
1071
00:30:45,176 --> 00:30:45,910
I've sanded
1072
00:30:45,910 --> 00:30:48,646
it twice and I've been here for 30 years.
1073
00:30:48,980 --> 00:30:49,881
Wow.
1074
00:30:49,881 --> 00:30:52,250
Close to 30 years I've been here.
1075
00:30:52,250 --> 00:30:53,551
That's amazing.
1076
00:30:53,852 --> 00:30:55,420
You know, it's amazing to one day
1077
00:30:55,420 --> 00:30:55,787
I told
1078
00:30:55,787 --> 00:30:57,121
bum I go measures
1079
00:30:57,121 --> 00:30:57,822
measure the board
1080
00:30:57,822 --> 00:31:00,592
he we were talking about my floors right
1081
00:31:00,592 --> 00:31:03,628
it's it's clear clear
1082
00:31:03,995 --> 00:31:04,762
red oak it wouldn't
1083
00:31:04,762 --> 00:31:07,498
be considered select it's clear right.
1084
00:31:08,867 --> 00:31:10,969
So we were talking about it one day and
1085
00:31:10,969 --> 00:31:13,104
I said, you want to take a laugh?
1086
00:31:13,104 --> 00:31:15,607
I go measure some of the board lengths.
1087
00:31:15,607 --> 00:31:16,507
Yeah.
1088
00:31:17,041 --> 00:31:17,942
12 feet.
1089
00:31:17,942 --> 00:31:20,678
12, 14, some of the length of the room.
1090
00:31:21,846 --> 00:31:23,448
Then he really started looking around
1091
00:31:23,448 --> 00:31:24,282
and then he was looser.
1092
00:31:24,282 --> 00:31:26,251
He's like, There's no but joints.
1093
00:31:26,251 --> 00:31:27,285
I go, It's crazy. Is it?
1094
00:31:27,285 --> 00:31:29,020
Yeah, yeah. Crazy.
1095
00:31:29,020 --> 00:31:30,722
How long the boards are here.
1096
00:31:30,722 --> 00:31:31,789
Uh huh.
1097
00:31:31,890 --> 00:31:33,758
Now, if it was built in the fifties,
1098
00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:35,727
you know, I'm looking at
1099
00:31:35,727 --> 00:31:37,262
floors that are 70
1100
00:31:37,262 --> 00:31:40,231
something years old right now that are in
1101
00:31:41,199 --> 00:31:43,601
absolute mint condition.
1102
00:31:43,601 --> 00:31:45,470
Oh, I mean, how many times
1103
00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:46,771
have you seen it?
1104
00:31:46,771 --> 00:31:47,672
Yeah,
1105
00:31:48,006 --> 00:31:48,606
how many times
1106
00:31:48,606 --> 00:31:50,642
have you seen floors that that are,
1107
00:31:50,642 --> 00:31:52,010
you know, 70, 80 years old
1108
00:31:52,010 --> 00:31:52,744
when you saying we look
1109
00:31:52,744 --> 00:31:54,612
better than the day they were put in.
1110
00:31:54,612 --> 00:31:57,081
Right. How many?
1111
00:31:57,181 --> 00:31:58,883
Most of them. Yeah.
1112
00:31:58,883 --> 00:32:01,286
So now talking.
1113
00:32:01,352 --> 00:32:02,687
Here's another one.
1114
00:32:02,687 --> 00:32:03,154
Okay.
1115
00:32:03,154 --> 00:32:05,523
My seven year old floors,
1116
00:32:05,523 --> 00:32:06,524
Rebecca moved out.
1117
00:32:06,524 --> 00:32:08,660
Pauline goes, Jesus, turn her.
1118
00:32:08,660 --> 00:32:10,962
Let's turn her bedroom into my office.
1119
00:32:11,429 --> 00:32:14,299
You know, can you do weight floors?
1120
00:32:14,299 --> 00:32:15,566
I said I would look it.
1121
00:32:15,566 --> 00:32:16,734
Of course I can do white floors.
1122
00:32:16,734 --> 00:32:18,336
I'm I'm Rob Johnson.
1123
00:32:18,336 --> 00:32:20,405
Absolutely. I'm Rob freakin Johnson.
1124
00:32:20,705 --> 00:32:21,439
Yeah.
1125
00:32:21,506 --> 00:32:22,040
Three coats
1126
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,809
and Nordic seal on 70 year old floors.
1127
00:32:25,443 --> 00:32:27,979
Looks like a brand new floor stand.
1128
00:32:27,979 --> 00:32:28,446
And it
1129
00:32:28,446 --> 00:32:29,580
three coats and Nordic
1130
00:32:29,580 --> 00:32:31,516
couple coats to traffic.
1131
00:32:31,516 --> 00:32:32,583
Beautiful.
1132
00:32:32,583 --> 00:32:33,251
Yeah.
1133
00:32:33,251 --> 00:32:34,419
You like the gray stains
1134
00:32:34,419 --> 00:32:35,486
that are in right now?
1135
00:32:35,486 --> 00:32:36,821
You could do a gray stain change.
1136
00:32:36,821 --> 00:32:38,856
Turn your phone to a gray stain floor.
1137
00:32:38,856 --> 00:32:40,024
You're sick of the red.
1138
00:32:40,024 --> 00:32:40,558
Watch.
1139
00:32:40,558 --> 00:32:41,726
What's this, Rob?
1140
00:32:41,726 --> 00:32:43,995
You. You like to wait?
1141
00:32:44,362 --> 00:32:45,196
The floors are out there.
1142
00:32:45,196 --> 00:32:46,698
You're sick of the red oak.
1143
00:32:46,698 --> 00:32:48,967
Look, you've got your floor on a red out.
1144
00:32:48,967 --> 00:32:50,001
You can get rid of the red.
1145
00:32:51,069 --> 00:32:51,602
All right.
1146
00:32:51,602 --> 00:32:52,937
There's a good place to end it.
1147
00:32:52,937 --> 00:32:53,972
There you go.
1148
00:32:53,972 --> 00:32:55,273
So this has been another episode
1149
00:32:55,273 --> 00:32:57,508
of On the Floor with Wayne and Rob Lee.
1150
00:32:57,508 --> 00:32:59,310
Stay tuned for another episode.
1151
00:32:59,310 --> 00:33:06,718
Oh.