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Hello.
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Welcome to another
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episode of On the Floor
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with Wayne and Rob.
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I'm Wayne Highlander Director of Sales
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for Bona Adhesives.
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And I'm Rob Johnson from Bona Training.
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And I'm not drinking anything.
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Right. That's good.
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Appreciate the
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not interrupting this time, Rob.
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How are we doing?
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Pretty good.
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Oh, wait, you asked me how I'm doing.
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Yeah. May I ask you how you're doing?
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Good. I always feel so.
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Especially when you ask me,
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because you never do.
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So I always have to ask you
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what you're doing.
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Like I really care.
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What you know something?
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That is a habit I have to break.
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Yeah.
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That's all about you.
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It's always all about me.
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It is? Yeah.
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Yeah. Like, I'll say to Pauline.
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Hey, I saw Pete today,
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and she's like, Oh, how are the kids?
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And I'm like, I don't know. Aha.
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You know, how's the parents? Don't.
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I don't know. I didn't.
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I really was just.
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I saw Pete and I was talking about me.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I always bring it back to me.
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Always bringing it back to me.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But since you asked, I'm doing good.
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I was a lot of travel last week.
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I was in Portland.
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I learned a couple
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of things, Rob, on my trip
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and I had to I changed my flight.
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So it was kind of a last minute
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change of flights.
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And you're sitting there
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and when that when when the
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I guess it's a pet peeve of mine.
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I seem like
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I have a lot of them
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when it comes to flying,
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although I never complain on on
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a flight ever.
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Are you saying that you're only pet
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peeves are just when you're traveling?
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No, but I seem to have a lot of.
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Like you have names.
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Yeah.
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You get you get to I.
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Think you see the worst of people
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on a flight, you know what I mean?
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They at the beginning
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of when they started
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calling, everybody
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said, okay,
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we're getting ready to board the plane.
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If you need special assistance,
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you can
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you can board now, I'm judging everybody
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that walks down that aisle. Everybody,
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you know, I mean.
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I, I am too.
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I'm like, come on, man.
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What's really wrong with you?
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You know, either walk.
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I am too.
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Okay, but what I really judge
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is when you're the guy
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who's walking with
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the guy who has a problem,
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you know what I mean?
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Like you together,
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you go in the same place, but he's.
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That guy's got the problem,
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not the clown
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that's going down the aisle.
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What makes you.
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I would never be the guy
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checking the boarding passes
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at the planes
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because I go, no, no, no, no, no.
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No, no.
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No. You're nothing wrong with you.
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You get your ass back in the back and 12,
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you know what I mean?
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So that's a bit of a problem for me.
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Or also when they say
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if you're traveling with minors
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and this kid is 12 years
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old, if he's a day,
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homeboy can get down on that.
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Well any anybody five or below.
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Yeah, some a minor everybody else.
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Yeah, yeah.
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You're on your own with the rest of us.
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Mm hmm.
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And then I got to Portland,
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and I was at a stoplight, and
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a stoplight was,
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you know, I had to go through it twice.
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So I was probably a total of 5 minutes
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that I was way to a stoplight. Right.
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And I'm watching a homeless guy,
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God bless him.
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And shaky is you know, I mean is
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do was shaking all over the place like
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and he was very
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you know obviously homeless do it
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the way he was dressing
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and whatever and Ed Scruffy
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obviously had some problems.
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But to put that tent up in like
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2 minutes, you're trying to put a pup
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tent up by yourself
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this time.
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You're not in the long time.
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This time I should try to put a tent up.
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I had, like, extra poles left over.
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I'm cussing it,
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doing the box,
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looking in the box to example this dude.
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But that tent up in like 2 minutes.
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He's probably in the eye.
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Every sign that he was a drug addict,
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I started questioning was,
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what's wrong with me, man?
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I always bring back to me like,
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what's wrong with me, man?
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I do. Yeah.
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That I.
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I can't even put a tent together.
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Look at this, dude.
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Just like
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with all the problems he's got going on.
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So, anyhow, that was my flight.
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I think for the tent guy,
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it's like when you and I are t
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because somebody had to pull a T-bar.
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We've been pulling a T-bar forever.
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So when we get up and
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we start pulling T-bar and showing
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somebody else, we make it look very easy.
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Dead guy.
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He's setting this thing up
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every single day
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so he could do it with his eyes closed.
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He's got a fair
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amount of handicaps, though,
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you know what I mean with the drug thing.
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Well, look at you and I.
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We have fair amount to
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for.
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Well, true.
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You might not have the physical,
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but you definitely have the mental.
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What's that supposed to mean?
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I told you about the
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I told you about the homeless guy
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in Nashville
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holding up a sign
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that the at the intersection
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when you get off the freeway,
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he had no shirt on and he
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had a six pack like no other.
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He is built like
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like George Foreman.
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You know what I mean?
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You have big nice
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six pack and everything, big, strong
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looking dude.
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And
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I was thinking,
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how does that dude out of work
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as strong and healthy as he is?
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Look at me, fat slob.
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You know what I mean?
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He looks better than I do.
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You
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know, life isn't fair, Rob.
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You're comparing yourself
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to homeless, shirtless, homeless people.
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Now, here, boy,
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it's taken a turn for the worst, huh?
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Yeah. Yeah, sorry about that.
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I mean, I thought once they made you
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director,
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you'd stop thinking like that, but.
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Well, there's two ways. Look at.
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See that?
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What's what's.
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That's what makes me, you know.
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Good. I'm competitive.
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Because
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you're competitive whether you're.
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A drug. Addict, a shirtless homeless guy.
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Yeah, yeah.
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You can't set up a tent.
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It just occurred to me. Yeah, yeah.
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Mm.
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Oh, well.
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All right, Rob,
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what you got?
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I don't know.
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What are we talking about?
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We're talking about assaulting Sanders.
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Oh, I'll tell you.
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A deeper dove.
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Deep dove.
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Here's a magazine.
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Mike didn't or gave me this. Yeah.
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The name of this magazine is taunting us
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to you and t0ns
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fine woodworking.
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I started looking up
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some of their articles,
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you know, from past, you know,
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past magazines. Mm hmm.
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Unbelievable.
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I'm subscribing to this thing,
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and I was reading
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an article in there
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that Dittmer turned me on to
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about
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sanding with a random
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orbital sander versus
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standing with the block sander
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hand standing. Okay.
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So I. Was amazed when I saw that.
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Before you go any further.
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So that's the first time
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you were amazed
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when you saw that magazine.
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There's something nice
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about being uneducated, you say.
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That makes White
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P wants to beat the crap out of you.
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It's comments like that.
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It makes me German haters, that stuff.
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Okay,
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I laugh it off.
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You take it it personal isn't it.
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Yeah.
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Is it a it's like you hit me.
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He feels the pain.
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He's hitting it.
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Is it in a heavy bag somewhere
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thinking about me?
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He's looking buff too.
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Now that he's retired, he's
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looking strong. Hmm.
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Well, that magazine's been out forever,
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but I love it when you.
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When you just first discover
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something that everybody else
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has known about for.
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For 60,
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I believe me,
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I'm guilty of the same thing.
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It's usually with some kind of a
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some kind of a electrical gadget
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that's been out.
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I go, holy smokes.
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These, you know, these are
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yeah, every door is locks.
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But, hey, I do tell I interrupted you.
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That's all right.
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I don't even know
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what I was talking about.
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Yes, you said something about
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oscillating versus standing straight.
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On the random orbital sander
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versus hand standing with a block sander.
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And they did a whole
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article about it,
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but the article was
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everything they did,
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they put under a microscope, and
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it's called an ACM, which stands
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for scanning electron microscope.
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So everything they did,
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whatever they were doing,
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they would chop off a tiny little piece
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and then slip in under this microscope
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and really over the town on this.
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So I just sent you some notes
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of what I read.
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Yeah, I read it.
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I couldn't believe it.
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You know, I don't do a lot of reading.
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I'm you know me. I'm not a reader.
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Look at the big brain.
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Look at the big brain on you.
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Yeah, look at me. Right.
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I even made notes to.
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Hmm. It was.
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I felt like I was writing a report
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in the seventh grade, you know, I.
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Didn't see the teacher told you
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that was going to come in. Handy.
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I would just, you know, read it
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and then copy down what I read.
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Yeah. Here you go.
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Yeah. Oh,
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even I don't even
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know if I wrote
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See illustration on page 59.
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What if I wrote. That down too?
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Well, why don't you just copy and paste
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so you don't have to do it like that?
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I yeah, I was trying to do that.
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I'm not good at that. Okay. Yeah.
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All right.
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You know what? I'm.
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I'm not sure how to copy and paste.
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Wow. Okay.
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Yeah, we should edit that out for you.
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No, no, no. Don't add that out.
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I'm okay.
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D is d is taught me,
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I don't know, five times and it just
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it just hasn't.
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It's like algebra.
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I had to take algebra two years in a row
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and then in like the first quarter
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of the third
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year, I'm a junior in high school
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in with a freshman algebra class.
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And then it hit me
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like, like the cloud opened up,
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you know what I mean?
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And like I understood algebra
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and then
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transferred into geometry
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and transferred out
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about two weeks later.
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Like, now this is I'm good.
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I'm good with the algebra.
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There's some advantage
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of being an upperclassman
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with all freshmen, isn't there?
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No, no, no.
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Not if you have good hearing.
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No, there's no advantage to it at all.
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What if they gave you a cookie
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every time you you
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you tried it and it success.
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It was successful.
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You think that would helped
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like some kind of like a.
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I really don't think I would.
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Yeah. Okay.
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Just trying to see what. Lesson you get.
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You know,
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I'm 67 years old.
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There's a lot of knowledge up here
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and there's not
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not a lot of room left.
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Now, I got to start purging.
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It's interesting.
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It's like there's a lot going in,
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but not a lot coming back out.
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No, it goes through.
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Oh, it just whistles through, Pauline.
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Right through.
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So I sleep well at night.
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I know what I know.
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That's it. Yeah, we're good.
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All right.
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Okay.
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You think about stuff?
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Yeah.
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Continue on.
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Is that all you got?
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Did I talk about the scanning
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electron microscope?
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Yeah.
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Unbelievable.
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Now, a lot of things
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that I was reading in
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this is a lot of things that we
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preach during schools.
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Okay?
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Like when you're going to another great,
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you're done with your 36,
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you jump into your 50
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and we tell everybody,
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Yeah, you got to clean the floor
401
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before you do that.
402
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Well, now I know why
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we're telling people to clean the floor,
404
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because when you're standing,
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you're shoving grits,
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little pieces of grit that falls off
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the sandpaper and dust.
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You're
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packing it down into
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the pores of the wood.
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So then when
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your next piece of sandpaper
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travels over that,
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it can't get down into that scratch
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because of all that stuff
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that's impacted.
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So I think that's a very important point.
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Very important point.
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And so maybe even say that again.
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So it's the open
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grain in the wood,
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especially like a red oak
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or what have you, that
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that the all the debris from the
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from the sanding grids
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and all the dust gets impacted into that
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into those into that grain.
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So the next grade of sandpaper
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can't even really get down
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to where it needs to get down to.
431
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Yes. Okay.
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Beautiful, beautiful.
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I mean, come on.
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That's that's pretty cool.
435
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Showed it under the microscope. Yeah.
436
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And I'm
437
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constantly telling the people in class.
438
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Yep. Yeah. Hey, in between grits,
439
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you got to vacuum
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it off
441
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to the point where
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sometimes I'm like, yeah, you know,
443
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just of course. Great.
444
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Don't worry about it.
445
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Think about what I just say.
446
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You think about it.
447
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I'll telling you to think about.
448
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Okay. Sorry.
449
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I think if.
450
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We don't make a big deal
451
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about the first cut,
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right,
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our first cut, whether it's 36 or 50
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or whatever you use for your first cut,
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whatever it took,
456
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if we don't clean that first one out,
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that is going to be
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the deepest scratch left.
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I love that.
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I really do.
461
00:14:00,673 --> 00:14:02,174
Yeah. Give it to me.
462
00:14:02,174 --> 00:14:03,542
Yeah, that's good stuff
463
00:14:03,542 --> 00:14:04,510
because we, we,
464
00:14:04,510 --> 00:14:05,611
we always say, you know,
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you got to vacuum
466
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between between passes or whatever.
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But the bill will get it under microscope
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at what, 200 times or whatever.
469
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And see that the, the, the, the,
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the green is getting impacted
471
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with all that stuff
472
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and you can't even get down there
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with the other sandpaper
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and there's the other grit.
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And by the way, that's also is putting
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excessive scratches in your floors.
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That is that I.
478
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That's good stuff, Rob.
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This show is over. That's it. Yeah.
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Thank you. Good night.
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Well, drop the mike
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that's reading this.
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Going it.
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You know, we try to talk theory a lot.
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You know, we try to talk theory a lot.
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Right.
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And you know, when you started the hand,
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your ledger and paper and said,
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you know, just get over there
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and go back and forth,
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no real theory behind it.
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Well, yeah, I kind of felt that way.
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Now I feel that way because in classes
494
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I'm saying, hey, in between grits,
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you know, back it off,
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keep that that clean.
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But now that I have a real,
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you know, the theory behind why
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not just to keep it clean,
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but that dust impacted those
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grits impacted
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block
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You know, the
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grits going through I was I'm blown away.
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Here's why I love stuff like this
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and why it's important to do these things
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is that I mean we're we sand and finish
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it's in our description.
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Okay
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so sanding is a key
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step that it turns raw
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where I would into an investment piece
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you know what I mean?
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It adds value to your home.
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So we're doing it
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day in and day out, day in and day out.
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These this really
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this makes you an expert,
519
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you know what I mean?
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And so when you talk to the clients
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or whatever this is, if a client told me
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this, I'd be like,
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Holy smokes, I thought you just sang
524
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the floor.
525
00:16:05,731 --> 00:16:07,066
You ripped sandpaper across the floor
526
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and you go the other sandpaper.
527
00:16:09,034 --> 00:16:10,369
But when you put it like this, now
528
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you're you're not.
529
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You're on another level.
530
00:16:12,237 --> 00:16:14,440
Yeah. Another plane. Yes.
531
00:16:14,907 --> 00:16:16,208
So that's this is
532
00:16:16,208 --> 00:16:18,944
this is very interesting to me, Rob.
533
00:16:18,944 --> 00:16:19,778
Legitimately so
534
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sometimes I tell you it is and it's not.
535
00:16:24,550 --> 00:16:25,184
But this is
536
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this is very interesting to me.
537
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I'm going to go back over that article.
538
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So some
539
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might even read the bullets
540
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that I said to you.
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Maybe that would be cool. Yeah.
542
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That would. Yeah.
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I love it
544
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sometimes when you make
545
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me feel like a mascot.
546
00:16:41,433 --> 00:16:42,935
I love that
547
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wink, Rob.
548
00:16:47,106 --> 00:16:49,108
So get something out.
549
00:16:49,108 --> 00:16:50,409
What about.
550
00:16:50,709 --> 00:16:53,112
What about the orbital
551
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action versus a standing
552
00:16:54,613 --> 00:16:56,382
straight up and down action?
553
00:16:56,382 --> 00:16:59,518
Like with the hand sanding?
554
00:16:59,518 --> 00:17:03,522
All right, a random orbital
555
00:17:04,990 --> 00:17:07,393
clock's out at 12,000
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RPMs.
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00:17:10,496 --> 00:17:12,965
It's not spinning at 12,000 RPMs,
558
00:17:13,766 --> 00:17:16,201
but because it spins and oscillates,
559
00:17:17,236 --> 00:17:18,570
that little
560
00:17:18,570 --> 00:17:21,707
orbit, that little oscillation
561
00:17:21,707 --> 00:17:24,576
counts like ten volts
562
00:17:24,843 --> 00:17:27,212
to just a regular
563
00:17:27,212 --> 00:17:28,447
grinder circle,
564
00:17:28,447 --> 00:17:30,082
you know, spinning around like an edger.
565
00:17:30,082 --> 00:17:31,617
Okay, interesting. Like an edger.
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3200 RPMs, random orbital because of the
567
00:17:36,955 --> 00:17:39,958
that that clocks out to 12,000 RPMs.
568
00:17:40,159 --> 00:17:40,426
Hmm.
569
00:17:41,527 --> 00:17:42,227
That's why it's
570
00:17:42,227 --> 00:17:42,828
important not
571
00:17:42,828 --> 00:17:43,862
to put a lot of pressure on it
572
00:17:43,862 --> 00:17:46,131
to allows it to do that.
573
00:17:46,131 --> 00:17:48,100
Exactly. Okay.
574
00:17:48,100 --> 00:17:50,736
Because it is doing so much more.
575
00:17:51,203 --> 00:17:52,237
The thing, though, it
576
00:17:52,237 --> 00:17:53,939
it doesn't feel like it.
577
00:17:53,939 --> 00:17:54,573
Right.
578
00:17:55,641 --> 00:17:57,009
Not to the average man.
579
00:17:57,009 --> 00:17:57,543
It
580
00:18:00,646 --> 00:18:02,748
you get that nice sensitive light touch.
581
00:18:02,748 --> 00:18:03,649
Is that what you're saying?
582
00:18:03,649 --> 00:18:04,416
Yeah. Yeah.
583
00:18:04,416 --> 00:18:06,652
You're very touchy feely.
584
00:18:06,718 --> 00:18:08,353
You can you're very tender,
585
00:18:08,353 --> 00:18:08,954
very little else.
586
00:18:08,954 --> 00:18:10,155
Going for me, Rob.
587
00:18:10,155 --> 00:18:10,889
Right,
588
00:18:11,957 --> 00:18:13,292
it's so soft hands, you two.
589
00:18:13,292 --> 00:18:15,060
Very good. Forward and hockey.
590
00:18:15,060 --> 00:18:20,365
Okay, get out of here now.
591
00:18:20,365 --> 00:18:21,133
Yeah.
592
00:18:21,133 --> 00:18:22,835
So that's what's going on
593
00:18:22,835 --> 00:18:24,303
with the random orbital sander.
594
00:18:24,303 --> 00:18:25,370
Now, the other thing,
595
00:18:25,370 --> 00:18:27,806
when you're running that random orbital,
596
00:18:27,806 --> 00:18:28,807
you don't do one of these,
597
00:18:28,807 --> 00:18:30,442
you don't go back and forth.
598
00:18:30,442 --> 00:18:30,809
You know,
599
00:18:30,809 --> 00:18:33,112
people will run the random orbital
600
00:18:33,112 --> 00:18:34,980
like they were running a
601
00:18:36,315 --> 00:18:36,949
black
602
00:18:36,949 --> 00:18:39,218
and cinder block or a block
603
00:18:39,218 --> 00:18:40,686
sanding block.
604
00:18:40,686 --> 00:18:43,622
Well, when you run the random orbital
605
00:18:44,256 --> 00:18:45,324
like that,
606
00:18:45,324 --> 00:18:47,793
now you've turned your random orbital
607
00:18:47,793 --> 00:18:51,096
into a block sander.
608
00:18:51,096 --> 00:18:52,464
Might as well flush it down the toilet.
609
00:18:52,464 --> 00:18:53,665
If that's what you're going to do.
610
00:18:53,665 --> 00:18:55,367
You might as well not even turn it
611
00:18:55,367 --> 00:18:56,201
on, right?
612
00:18:56,201 --> 00:18:58,003
Just just use that
613
00:18:58,003 --> 00:18:59,605
because it's going to hold the paper.
614
00:18:59,605 --> 00:19:01,740
So how should they do it?
615
00:19:02,441 --> 00:19:04,143
Nice and straight,
616
00:19:04,143 --> 00:19:06,545
nice and easy, nice and level.
617
00:19:06,545 --> 00:19:09,581
Oh, nice and slow.
618
00:19:09,581 --> 00:19:10,382
Nice and straight.
619
00:19:10,382 --> 00:19:11,116
Keep it straight.
620
00:19:11,116 --> 00:19:12,317
Don't heel it
621
00:19:12,317 --> 00:19:13,452
like you would heel a buffer
622
00:19:13,452 --> 00:19:15,521
to grind something out or whatever
623
00:19:15,521 --> 00:19:16,588
because it's
624
00:19:16,588 --> 00:19:17,856
you got to remember
625
00:19:17,856 --> 00:19:21,393
she spent in that 12,000 RPMs edger
626
00:19:21,994 --> 00:19:24,530
you think how 3200 R.P.M.
627
00:19:25,831 --> 00:19:27,065
now are you talking about a
628
00:19:27,065 --> 00:19:29,268
random orbital that's 12,000
629
00:19:30,502 --> 00:19:33,071
just because of
630
00:19:33,071 --> 00:19:33,539
the way
631
00:19:33,539 --> 00:19:34,406
that it orbits
632
00:19:34,406 --> 00:19:37,342
and spins at the same time.
633
00:19:37,342 --> 00:19:38,911
So you want to
634
00:19:38,911 --> 00:19:40,279
no pressure,
635
00:19:40,279 --> 00:19:41,847
you know, just holding it down,
636
00:19:41,847 --> 00:19:44,583
no heavy hand pressure,
637
00:19:44,583 --> 00:19:45,884
nice and straight.
638
00:19:45,884 --> 00:19:47,753
Don't heel it.
639
00:19:48,187 --> 00:19:51,390
And when you run it like that,
640
00:19:51,456 --> 00:19:55,761
it definitely makes a huge difference.
641
00:19:55,761 --> 00:19:58,363
And I kind of noticed that I use bombs
642
00:19:58,830 --> 00:20:01,967
bomb got the first tool
643
00:20:02,201 --> 00:20:04,236
when I started playing you know, because
644
00:20:04,236 --> 00:20:04,603
he said,
645
00:20:04,603 --> 00:20:05,370
oh yeah, I don't,
646
00:20:05,370 --> 00:20:05,804
I don't know
647
00:20:05,804 --> 00:20:07,806
he paid 400 bucks or something for the,
648
00:20:08,540 --> 00:20:09,675
the random orbital.
649
00:20:09,675 --> 00:20:10,842
I was laughing at him like,
650
00:20:10,842 --> 00:20:12,678
you got to be kidding me, right?
651
00:20:12,678 --> 00:20:13,645
Seriously?
652
00:20:13,645 --> 00:20:14,479
Yeah.
653
00:20:14,479 --> 00:20:16,682
I go, I can buy for what,
654
00:20:16,682 --> 00:20:17,549
the 400 you spent?
655
00:20:17,549 --> 00:20:21,153
I could buy ten.
656
00:20:21,153 --> 00:20:22,788
And he goes, just
657
00:20:22,854 --> 00:20:24,990
really stop talking and use it.
658
00:20:24,990 --> 00:20:25,290
Yeah.
659
00:20:27,059 --> 00:20:27,693
Yeah.
660
00:20:27,726 --> 00:20:29,861
So I did use it and I was like,
661
00:20:29,861 --> 00:20:31,096
okay, you're right.
662
00:20:31,096 --> 00:20:33,332
This is this is an amazing tool.
663
00:20:33,332 --> 00:20:36,168
I know. I know. You know,
664
00:20:36,168 --> 00:20:37,769
I know we're not sponsored by Fast
665
00:20:37,769 --> 00:20:38,971
Tool, but
666
00:20:39,438 --> 00:20:42,241
I had to give the shout out for it.
667
00:20:42,241 --> 00:20:44,243
You're a festival guy, right?
668
00:20:44,243 --> 00:20:46,311
I am, yeah.
669
00:20:46,311 --> 00:20:48,513
And they're they're incredible festivals.
670
00:20:48,513 --> 00:20:50,282
I mean, they're just
671
00:20:50,415 --> 00:20:51,950
they're fantastic tools.
672
00:20:51,950 --> 00:20:52,651
It seems like everything,
673
00:20:52,651 --> 00:20:53,885
first of all, makes it a good tool.
674
00:20:53,885 --> 00:20:54,319
And you're right,
675
00:20:54,319 --> 00:20:56,822
we're not sponsored by them, but in fact.
676
00:20:56,822 --> 00:20:58,991
Yeah, but but they do make great tools
677
00:21:02,261 --> 00:21:03,462
when we start using.
678
00:21:03,462 --> 00:21:05,030
We could talk about scanning now.
679
00:21:05,030 --> 00:21:06,098
I was thinking about
680
00:21:06,098 --> 00:21:07,499
I thought we were going to kind of
681
00:21:07,499 --> 00:21:08,233
go a different direction
682
00:21:08,233 --> 00:21:09,601
and I started thinking
683
00:21:09,601 --> 00:21:10,235
about all the different
684
00:21:10,235 --> 00:21:11,503
scanning attachments
685
00:21:11,503 --> 00:21:12,437
that are out there right now
686
00:21:12,437 --> 00:21:13,071
in different ways
687
00:21:13,071 --> 00:21:14,573
that we didn't necessarily
688
00:21:14,573 --> 00:21:16,141
have in the past. You guys didn't use
689
00:21:17,943 --> 00:21:18,877
those small
690
00:21:18,877 --> 00:21:20,312
multitool with the corners
691
00:21:20,312 --> 00:21:22,114
detail on them,
692
00:21:22,447 --> 00:21:24,449
you know, come in kind of handy.
693
00:21:24,449 --> 00:21:25,617
The triangular
694
00:21:25,617 --> 00:21:26,952
shaped for getting in corners
695
00:21:26,952 --> 00:21:28,920
and what have you.
696
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,522
But are you mocking me?
697
00:21:30,522 --> 00:21:31,623
No, no, no, no.
698
00:21:31,623 --> 00:21:33,492
Why would I bug you?
699
00:21:33,492 --> 00:21:37,829
I mean, I would like you, but no, I.
700
00:21:37,829 --> 00:21:38,397
I'm sorry.
701
00:21:38,397 --> 00:21:39,064
That's all right.
702
00:21:39,064 --> 00:21:39,665
You know what?
703
00:21:39,665 --> 00:21:43,935
It must.
704
00:21:43,935 --> 00:21:45,570
The railing on my back deck.
705
00:21:45,570 --> 00:21:47,606
It's a it's a two by 12.
706
00:21:47,606 --> 00:21:49,174
Everything I build,
707
00:21:49,174 --> 00:21:50,976
you can press the tank on.
708
00:21:50,976 --> 00:21:51,610
Okay.
709
00:21:51,610 --> 00:21:53,712
When I build something,
710
00:21:53,945 --> 00:21:54,980
that's it.
711
00:21:55,714 --> 00:21:56,815
So all the kids
712
00:21:56,815 --> 00:21:57,883
and everybody laughed at me
713
00:21:57,883 --> 00:21:58,850
because
714
00:21:59,184 --> 00:22:00,485
the top railing of mine
715
00:22:00,485 --> 00:22:02,587
is a flat two by 12.
716
00:22:02,587 --> 00:22:03,588
So I know it's the other day
717
00:22:03,588 --> 00:22:05,757
it is getting kind of rough
718
00:22:05,757 --> 00:22:08,827
and I was using a random orbital sander
719
00:22:10,295 --> 00:22:11,997
and I remember bum saying to
720
00:22:11,997 --> 00:22:13,432
me one day, Yeah, I,
721
00:22:13,432 --> 00:22:13,799
you know,
722
00:22:13,799 --> 00:22:17,703
use the attachment for my multitool.
723
00:22:17,703 --> 00:22:20,038
So I had one put it on, did it.
724
00:22:20,038 --> 00:22:22,074
I was blown away
725
00:22:22,974 --> 00:22:24,743
by how good that worked though.
726
00:22:24,743 --> 00:22:25,544
No kidding.
727
00:22:25,544 --> 00:22:26,611
I was amazed.
728
00:22:26,611 --> 00:22:28,680
Yep, I was amazed.
729
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:29,915
So I guess whenever
730
00:22:29,915 --> 00:22:31,550
I'm amazed at something,
731
00:22:31,550 --> 00:22:33,118
we're going to do a show about it.
732
00:22:33,118 --> 00:22:33,585
There you go.
733
00:22:33,585 --> 00:22:35,554
I like the last show. Yeah. Yeah.
734
00:22:35,554 --> 00:22:36,755
You amazed that.
735
00:22:36,755 --> 00:22:38,023
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
736
00:22:38,023 --> 00:22:38,357
Like,
737
00:22:38,357 --> 00:22:40,359
I'm just amazed that they have a magazine
738
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:41,193
like this.
739
00:22:41,193 --> 00:22:43,862
Yeah. To me, you know what they make?
740
00:22:43,862 --> 00:22:45,330
They write articles to about,
741
00:22:45,330 --> 00:22:47,432
you know, stuff that we do.
742
00:22:47,432 --> 00:22:49,167
You're like a chicken.
743
00:22:49,167 --> 00:22:53,405
Every day is a brand new day.
744
00:22:53,405 --> 00:22:54,773
First date. Exactly.
745
00:22:54,773 --> 00:22:56,608
Yeah, I wake up, it's a breath.
746
00:22:56,608 --> 00:22:58,777
Wow. Look at that.
747
00:22:58,777 --> 00:22:59,878
An iPhone.
748
00:22:59,878 --> 00:23:00,846
Oh, yeah.
749
00:23:00,846 --> 00:23:03,081
Who have thought he'll figure. In.
750
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:04,549
The.
751
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:05,550
But I couldn't agree
752
00:23:05,550 --> 00:23:07,652
more with using a multitool.
753
00:23:07,652 --> 00:23:09,488
Wow. I was.
754
00:23:09,488 --> 00:23:10,355
And I know what you're thinking
755
00:23:10,355 --> 00:23:10,956
really too.
756
00:23:10,956 --> 00:23:14,659
By 1232 feet long with the multi-tool.
757
00:23:14,659 --> 00:23:15,927
I was flying.
758
00:23:15,927 --> 00:23:17,963
Yeah. I was flying house.
759
00:23:18,430 --> 00:23:20,465
Oh man. Yeah. Couldn't agree more.
760
00:23:20,599 --> 00:23:23,368
Well I think also the pneumatic sanders
761
00:23:23,368 --> 00:23:24,503
for getting between spindles
762
00:23:24,503 --> 00:23:26,605
you get them like a two inch diameter.
763
00:23:26,605 --> 00:23:27,939
So for four,
764
00:23:27,939 --> 00:23:28,340
you know we
765
00:23:28,340 --> 00:23:29,674
everybody has a compressor on a job
766
00:23:29,674 --> 00:23:30,842
anyhow usually.
767
00:23:30,842 --> 00:23:32,577
So for getting between spindles
768
00:23:32,577 --> 00:23:33,078
and whatever
769
00:23:33,078 --> 00:23:34,413
four around stairs,
770
00:23:34,413 --> 00:23:36,681
those things are just huge
771
00:23:37,282 --> 00:23:38,316
that just hook them
772
00:23:38,316 --> 00:23:39,584
up to your compressor.
773
00:23:39,584 --> 00:23:40,185
It's
774
00:23:41,586 --> 00:23:43,722
pneumatic, small diameter.
775
00:23:44,089 --> 00:23:46,458
Off you go. They were great.
776
00:23:46,458 --> 00:23:47,759
For the old days.
777
00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:50,195
Yes, yes.
778
00:23:50,195 --> 00:23:53,665
Well, speaking of scrapers,
779
00:23:53,665 --> 00:23:55,367
I'm very particular about my scrapers
780
00:23:55,367 --> 00:23:57,569
because I don't like
781
00:23:57,569 --> 00:23:58,103
I don't like
782
00:23:58,103 --> 00:24:00,305
any flexing the handle of a scraper.
783
00:24:00,305 --> 00:24:02,607
I don't like any bend at all like that.
784
00:24:02,641 --> 00:24:04,142
I don't like a lot of these plastic ones
785
00:24:04,142 --> 00:24:06,278
because when I put force on, I don't want
786
00:24:06,478 --> 00:24:06,912
you lose
787
00:24:06,912 --> 00:24:10,782
some of the force by in the bend.
788
00:24:10,782 --> 00:24:11,483
So I want
789
00:24:11,483 --> 00:24:12,751
I like a wooden one
790
00:24:12,751 --> 00:24:14,252
that you get all the pressure.
791
00:24:14,252 --> 00:24:16,021
You know, you're not losing the pressure
792
00:24:16,021 --> 00:24:17,722
when you put it out down on the scraper.
793
00:24:17,722 --> 00:24:20,792
It's doing all the work.
794
00:24:20,792 --> 00:24:21,393
But yeah,
795
00:24:22,594 --> 00:24:24,196
when I did my,
796
00:24:24,196 --> 00:24:30,068
my floor upstairs, I use the the bench,
797
00:24:30,101 --> 00:24:32,671
the bench sander comes in
798
00:24:33,271 --> 00:24:34,206
very, very handy.
799
00:24:34,206 --> 00:24:36,241
So on a job sometimes
800
00:24:36,575 --> 00:24:38,844
it's the right job planners.
801
00:24:38,844 --> 00:24:39,144
Wait.
802
00:24:40,011 --> 00:24:42,280
I mean, did you say the floor upstairs?
803
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:43,715
I didn't want to say it.
804
00:24:43,715 --> 00:24:45,584
Yeah, I know. I didn't want. To.
805
00:24:45,584 --> 00:24:46,918
Can you hear the music.
806
00:24:46,918 --> 00:24:48,420
The for the year floor.
807
00:24:48,420 --> 00:24:49,821
Yeah, you know music.
808
00:24:49,821 --> 00:24:52,757
You hear it.
809
00:24:52,757 --> 00:24:53,091
You know, it's
810
00:24:53,091 --> 00:24:54,392
just as loud as it always has.
811
00:24:54,392 --> 00:24:56,595
Well, I like. That's crazy.
812
00:24:56,595 --> 00:24:58,196
I love that song.
813
00:24:58,196 --> 00:24:58,897
Yeah. Thank you.
814
00:24:58,897 --> 00:24:59,764
Have you worn your belt?
815
00:24:59,764 --> 00:25:02,334
Buckle out anywhere you?
816
00:25:02,334 --> 00:25:05,203
I have not a word in the house.
817
00:25:05,570 --> 00:25:06,972
Thank
818
00:25:10,408 --> 00:25:11,076
just.
819
00:25:11,176 --> 00:25:12,944
Just the belt in the belt buckle.
820
00:25:12,944 --> 00:25:14,112
Nothing else.
821
00:25:14,112 --> 00:25:16,081
You walk in? Yeah.
822
00:25:16,081 --> 00:25:17,215
There you go.
823
00:25:17,215 --> 00:25:17,983
Yeah.
824
00:25:17,983 --> 00:25:22,420
In a crap shirt and it.
825
00:25:22,420 --> 00:25:23,989
No, but I have it on myself,
826
00:25:23,989 --> 00:25:25,891
I have it on my shelf next to the
827
00:25:27,726 --> 00:25:28,693
trophy.
828
00:25:29,261 --> 00:25:32,297
So the, the head of the the head.
829
00:25:32,564 --> 00:25:33,665
The head trophy.
830
00:25:33,665 --> 00:25:35,700
No, the Florida Year Trophy.
831
00:25:36,101 --> 00:25:37,836
Sorry. Oh, for year.
832
00:25:37,836 --> 00:25:39,971
Oh I thought you were talking about your,
833
00:25:39,971 --> 00:25:40,205
you know,
834
00:25:40,205 --> 00:25:41,072
the one the European
835
00:25:41,072 --> 00:25:42,641
Swedish Award trophy.
836
00:25:42,641 --> 00:25:44,576
Yeah. What's the name of that war?
837
00:25:44,576 --> 00:25:46,511
Only one in five continents, Lord.
838
00:25:46,511 --> 00:25:48,680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
839
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,216
Well, well, I don't mind for people that.
840
00:25:51,216 --> 00:25:54,452
But that's all right.
841
00:25:54,452 --> 00:25:54,986
All right.
842
00:25:54,986 --> 00:25:55,620
I've been seeing
843
00:25:55,620 --> 00:25:56,621
who they been getting that award
844
00:25:56,621 --> 00:25:57,722
to the last few years
845
00:25:57,722 --> 00:25:59,090
and it's like a
846
00:25:59,090 --> 00:26:05,864
really water in that down, aren't they.
847
00:26:05,864 --> 00:26:09,901
You better be careful.
848
00:26:09,901 --> 00:26:10,602
Ready.
849
00:26:10,602 --> 00:26:12,971
You know I kid when I kids.
850
00:26:13,004 --> 00:26:14,005
Of course I know.
851
00:26:14,005 --> 00:26:15,407
We're just fooling around.
852
00:26:15,407 --> 00:26:16,908
Yeah right.
853
00:26:16,908 --> 00:26:17,275
Yeah.
854
00:26:17,275 --> 00:26:18,810
Like I would like I wouldn't
855
00:26:18,810 --> 00:26:20,178
accept that award.
856
00:26:20,178 --> 00:26:22,647
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
857
00:26:22,647 --> 00:26:24,082
Yeah. As in.
858
00:26:24,082 --> 00:26:24,950
Yeah, yeah.
859
00:26:25,951 --> 00:26:29,487
Oh, okay.
860
00:26:29,487 --> 00:26:30,255
So that's good.
861
00:26:30,255 --> 00:26:31,189
That's very interesting
862
00:26:31,189 --> 00:26:33,725
on that Rob on the aisle saying Sander.
863
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,295
Oh, but we're not done.
864
00:26:37,295 --> 00:26:38,730
Oh, you have more. Good, good.
865
00:26:38,730 --> 00:26:40,799
Oh, we're we're not done.
866
00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:41,232
I'm sorry.
867
00:26:41,232 --> 00:26:42,000
I went into my stuff
868
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:42,500
because I thought you
869
00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:45,136
were out of bullets.
870
00:26:45,136 --> 00:26:46,304
No, I think.
871
00:26:46,304 --> 00:26:47,205
No.
872
00:26:47,205 --> 00:26:50,542
Okay.
873
00:26:50,542 --> 00:26:51,710
One of the other things
874
00:26:51,710 --> 00:26:52,410
that they did
875
00:26:52,410 --> 00:26:55,580
say about the random orbital sander is it
876
00:26:55,580 --> 00:26:56,514
does create
877
00:26:56,514 --> 00:26:59,250
a dangerous airborne fine particulate
878
00:27:00,485 --> 00:27:02,721
that does float
879
00:27:02,721 --> 00:27:05,223
longer in the air than a course or one.
880
00:27:05,223 --> 00:27:07,292
So definitely
881
00:27:07,926 --> 00:27:09,961
you want to be wearing a mask.
882
00:27:09,961 --> 00:27:12,664
And of course, nothing works better on
883
00:27:13,965 --> 00:27:15,400
look than your
884
00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:16,701
random orbital sander.
885
00:27:16,701 --> 00:27:21,539
Up to a PDC 2.0 with dual HEPA filters,
886
00:27:22,607 --> 00:27:25,410
the bone HVAC system, HEPA filters.
887
00:27:25,410 --> 00:27:27,078
If you're not selling that,
888
00:27:27,078 --> 00:27:29,381
you're just leaving money on the table.
889
00:27:29,381 --> 00:27:29,714
But
890
00:27:31,216 --> 00:27:32,017
you know, when I started
891
00:27:32,017 --> 00:27:33,318
to read about that dust
892
00:27:33,318 --> 00:27:35,320
that the random orbitals create
893
00:27:36,021 --> 00:27:38,323
and I would definitely be reading that
894
00:27:38,323 --> 00:27:41,326
into my 2.0 for sure.
895
00:27:42,227 --> 00:27:42,560
You know
896
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,564
something, Rob, on a serious note,
897
00:27:46,564 --> 00:27:48,066
I somebody
898
00:27:48,066 --> 00:27:50,035
I know I've known for for 30 years
899
00:27:50,035 --> 00:27:53,972
now, you look at the guy in great shape.
900
00:27:53,972 --> 00:27:55,540
I mean,
901
00:27:55,540 --> 00:27:57,776
super good shape, active his whole life.
902
00:27:59,511 --> 00:28:01,246
Just found out last week
903
00:28:01,246 --> 00:28:03,948
he has lung cancer
904
00:28:04,349 --> 00:28:07,352
and he he smoked for
905
00:28:07,352 --> 00:28:08,720
30 years.
906
00:28:08,887 --> 00:28:11,222
And, you know, he has
907
00:28:11,656 --> 00:28:13,625
you know, I mean, it's,
908
00:28:13,625 --> 00:28:15,527
you know, how serious that is.
909
00:28:15,527 --> 00:28:19,064
So I tell you, man, and I mean, this guy
910
00:28:19,230 --> 00:28:21,166
should live another
911
00:28:21,166 --> 00:28:22,967
gosh, he's healthy as can be.
912
00:28:22,967 --> 00:28:24,869
You know, he's he's he's in shape.
913
00:28:24,869 --> 00:28:25,937
He's not overweight.
914
00:28:25,937 --> 00:28:28,106
He's he's been active his whole life.
915
00:28:28,106 --> 00:28:30,241
He's got a great wife.
916
00:28:30,241 --> 00:28:31,276
He just retired
917
00:28:33,078 --> 00:28:34,913
maybe a year and a half ago.
918
00:28:34,913 --> 00:28:35,880
And
919
00:28:36,414 --> 00:28:37,415
it has some symptoms
920
00:28:37,415 --> 00:28:38,717
of what everyone just found out.
921
00:28:38,717 --> 00:28:39,984
He has lung cancer.
922
00:28:39,984 --> 00:28:42,120
So the reason I say these things
923
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,121
is, you know,
924
00:28:43,121 --> 00:28:44,756
we all think we're bulletproof
925
00:28:44,756 --> 00:28:45,957
until we're not,
926
00:28:46,758 --> 00:28:49,561
you know, using using dust masks for
927
00:28:49,561 --> 00:28:50,562
for for
928
00:28:50,562 --> 00:28:51,362
for the
929
00:28:51,362 --> 00:28:52,197
you know, all the years
930
00:28:52,197 --> 00:28:52,731
we do this
931
00:28:52,731 --> 00:28:54,799
every day, we're going to a place
932
00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:57,001
your breathing does for four,
933
00:28:57,001 --> 00:28:57,969
eight years,
934
00:28:57,969 --> 00:29:00,271
eight days of a 8 hours a day,
935
00:29:00,805 --> 00:29:02,207
five days a week, sometimes
936
00:29:02,207 --> 00:29:04,175
longer, whatever, man.
937
00:29:04,175 --> 00:29:05,577
It just it
938
00:29:05,577 --> 00:29:06,811
and I know it's
939
00:29:06,811 --> 00:29:07,278
you know,
940
00:29:07,278 --> 00:29:07,779
it's hard
941
00:29:07,779 --> 00:29:10,014
to create habits and everything,
942
00:29:10,014 --> 00:29:12,417
but you just got to look out for
943
00:29:12,417 --> 00:29:12,951
your health
944
00:29:12,951 --> 00:29:13,918
because you don't
945
00:29:13,918 --> 00:29:16,554
you it's like you got it or you don't.
946
00:29:17,188 --> 00:29:19,257
And as soon as you don't,
947
00:29:19,257 --> 00:29:21,159
your life is just changed.
948
00:29:21,159 --> 00:29:22,594
So, you know,
949
00:29:22,594 --> 00:29:23,628
do be careful
950
00:29:23,628 --> 00:29:24,729
and take care of your health
951
00:29:24,729 --> 00:29:27,398
and do these things your ear protection.
952
00:29:27,866 --> 00:29:29,400
You know, we're good knee pads.
953
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:30,301
This trade, you know,
954
00:29:30,301 --> 00:29:31,703
can beat the hell out of you.
955
00:29:31,703 --> 00:29:32,837
It's tough on you.
956
00:29:32,837 --> 00:29:33,938
You're not meant to be crawling around
957
00:29:33,938 --> 00:29:35,874
on your knees for for for 30 years.
958
00:29:35,874 --> 00:29:36,374
Your life,
959
00:29:37,609 --> 00:29:39,644
it all takes a toll.
960
00:29:39,644 --> 00:29:40,378
Father time.
961
00:29:40,378 --> 00:29:41,780
You look at the toughest guys
962
00:29:41,780 --> 00:29:43,548
you'll ever see in your life,
963
00:29:43,548 --> 00:29:45,950
and you can't beat Father Time.
964
00:29:46,484 --> 00:29:48,319
So, you know,
965
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:50,088
do do take care of yourselves
966
00:29:50,088 --> 00:29:51,089
and watch out for yourself
967
00:29:51,089 --> 00:29:51,523
and everything.
968
00:29:51,523 --> 00:29:53,825
And so wearing respirators and all that,
969
00:29:54,692 --> 00:29:56,828
I don't really know too much about this,
970
00:29:56,828 --> 00:29:58,763
but but anyhow, just make sure you do
971
00:29:58,763 --> 00:30:00,698
take that into consideration.
972
00:30:00,698 --> 00:30:01,199
Have you
973
00:30:01,199 --> 00:30:02,767
when's the last time you standard floor
974
00:30:02,767 --> 00:30:04,903
without a vac system on
975
00:30:05,670 --> 00:30:07,372
on an idea or buffer.
976
00:30:07,372 --> 00:30:08,873
Oh last week.
977
00:30:09,007 --> 00:30:09,674
No.
978
00:30:11,109 --> 00:30:13,111
No I couldn't even imagine
979
00:30:13,111 --> 00:30:14,345
using an edge or anymore.
980
00:30:14,345 --> 00:30:15,647
Without, without does containment.
981
00:30:15,647 --> 00:30:17,582
I don't think you could pay me.
982
00:30:17,582 --> 00:30:20,552
I mean, it's just so much I can tell you.
983
00:30:20,552 --> 00:30:22,487
I remember the job that we first hooked
984
00:30:22,487 --> 00:30:23,721
up to the bonus super vac
985
00:30:25,023 --> 00:30:27,125
it I mean it was 99 day
986
00:30:27,659 --> 00:30:28,459
and then from there
987
00:30:28,459 --> 00:30:30,361
we went to the same thing with what run
988
00:30:30,361 --> 00:30:32,197
running on our big Sanders
989
00:30:32,197 --> 00:30:35,033
dust containment and I never look back.
990
00:30:35,033 --> 00:30:36,601
I don't know how you do it without it.
991
00:30:36,601 --> 00:30:38,670
So there's a
992
00:30:38,670 --> 00:30:40,705
we did a training at a union hall
993
00:30:40,705 --> 00:30:43,408
and my equipment didn't show up.
994
00:30:43,942 --> 00:30:45,276
So we were kind of using
995
00:30:45,276 --> 00:30:47,312
the union equipment
996
00:30:47,312 --> 00:30:49,380
and they didn't have anything
997
00:30:49,781 --> 00:30:51,883
for dust containment
998
00:30:52,684 --> 00:30:54,185
for the buffer.
999
00:30:54,285 --> 00:30:55,687
Now I'm in a huge hall.
1000
00:30:55,687 --> 00:30:58,389
I mean, we're in a big room,
1001
00:30:58,389 --> 00:31:01,459
not a little bedroom right
1002
00:31:02,493 --> 00:31:02,794
there.
1003
00:31:02,794 --> 00:31:05,430
We are buffing with nothing.
1004
00:31:05,463 --> 00:31:07,465
And this is a few weeks ago
1005
00:31:07,465 --> 00:31:10,768
buffing a floor final, you know, with the
1006
00:31:10,935 --> 00:31:13,104
I was using the multi desk
1007
00:31:14,372 --> 00:31:16,241
like I, I couldn't believe it.
1008
00:31:16,241 --> 00:31:16,541
Yeah.
1009
00:31:16,541 --> 00:31:17,508
I mean when you're
1010
00:31:17,508 --> 00:31:19,878
so used to using it now.
1011
00:31:19,878 --> 00:31:21,880
Yep. And you have to go back.
1012
00:31:23,147 --> 00:31:25,250
I almost stopped and said, all right,
1013
00:31:25,316 --> 00:31:26,217
we can't do this.
1014
00:31:26,217 --> 00:31:28,186
Yeah, we had to figure something out.
1015
00:31:28,186 --> 00:31:30,922
This is this is insanity, okay?
1016
00:31:31,256 --> 00:31:32,924
This is the dust.
1017
00:31:32,924 --> 00:31:35,059
It's getting everywhere. Everywhere.
1018
00:31:35,326 --> 00:31:37,996
Yeah, it was crazy.
1019
00:31:37,996 --> 00:31:41,032
I'm passing out mask and everything.
1020
00:31:41,032 --> 00:31:43,001
Yeah. What a
1021
00:31:43,134 --> 00:31:44,435
what an amazing invention
1022
00:31:44,435 --> 00:31:45,536
that's turned into.
1023
00:31:45,536 --> 00:31:47,372
And like I said,
1024
00:31:47,372 --> 00:31:47,939
I don't think
1025
00:31:47,939 --> 00:31:49,307
I could ever go back
1026
00:31:49,307 --> 00:31:51,409
to not using dust containment.
1027
00:31:51,943 --> 00:31:54,846
Yeah, 100%. Yeah.
1028
00:31:54,913 --> 00:31:56,781
I mean, it's it's it's an upsell.
1029
00:31:56,781 --> 00:31:57,982
It's we talked about that
1030
00:31:57,982 --> 00:31:59,350
on the other episode and whatever.
1031
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:59,918
And it's
1032
00:31:59,918 --> 00:32:02,053
but but mainly it's the quality
1033
00:32:02,053 --> 00:32:03,321
of how you're going to spend that day
1034
00:32:03,321 --> 00:32:05,023
for four, 8 hours or an hour long.
1035
00:32:05,023 --> 00:32:07,258
You're on that job times,
1036
00:32:07,825 --> 00:32:09,627
however many days, months, years
1037
00:32:09,627 --> 00:32:11,429
you're going to be in this trade. So
1038
00:32:12,931 --> 00:32:13,965
another thing that
1039
00:32:13,965 --> 00:32:17,068
the the article was saying
1040
00:32:17,068 --> 00:32:18,303
and there was two guys
1041
00:32:18,303 --> 00:32:19,570
who were running all this,
1042
00:32:19,570 --> 00:32:21,506
one guy was a scientist
1043
00:32:21,506 --> 00:32:24,842
and the other guy was like a doctor,
1044
00:32:24,842 --> 00:32:29,013
like he was the guy.
1045
00:32:29,013 --> 00:32:30,848
Yeah, yeah.
1046
00:32:30,848 --> 00:32:32,817
An award winner and person
1047
00:32:32,817 --> 00:32:34,986
who doesn't win a lot of awards,
1048
00:32:34,986 --> 00:32:36,187
cooking awards.
1049
00:32:36,187 --> 00:32:38,856
There you go.
1050
00:32:38,856 --> 00:32:40,591
So one of the things that they said
1051
00:32:40,591 --> 00:32:42,427
also, and I love this because,
1052
00:32:42,427 --> 00:32:44,562
you know, I'm the king of doing this,
1053
00:32:44,562 --> 00:32:46,831
they just use light pencil marks
1054
00:32:46,831 --> 00:32:48,900
where they're going to stand.
1055
00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:50,668
You know, I know I like using the rubber
1056
00:32:50,668 --> 00:32:51,736
crayon and,
1057
00:32:51,736 --> 00:32:52,236
you know,
1058
00:32:52,236 --> 00:32:53,471
marking out the whole floor
1059
00:32:53,471 --> 00:32:54,505
and everything.
1060
00:32:54,505 --> 00:32:56,941
But for the random orbital,
1061
00:32:56,941 --> 00:32:58,676
I don't think a lot of people, Mark,
1062
00:32:58,676 --> 00:33:00,678
when they're using a random orbital
1063
00:33:00,678 --> 00:33:02,780
and they just said, take a
1064
00:33:02,780 --> 00:33:03,982
lumber pencil or,
1065
00:33:03,982 --> 00:33:05,583
you know, carpenters pencil,
1066
00:33:05,583 --> 00:33:07,852
you just put light marks on there.
1067
00:33:07,852 --> 00:33:10,054
And when that mark is gone, you're done.
1068
00:33:10,054 --> 00:33:12,490
Just nice, easy, smooth.
1069
00:33:12,490 --> 00:33:14,025
Right over that mark.
1070
00:33:14,025 --> 00:33:15,760
Put that graphite down into deep
1071
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,295
into that scratch.
1072
00:33:17,295 --> 00:33:19,130
So, you know it's light.
1073
00:33:19,130 --> 00:33:24,635
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1074
00:33:24,635 --> 00:33:26,070
You know, another thing I talked about
1075
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:29,574
and I've heard people talking about this,
1076
00:33:29,941 --> 00:33:32,043
have you ever raised the grain
1077
00:33:32,043 --> 00:33:38,249
before you do your final sanding?
1078
00:33:38,249 --> 00:33:41,753
Let me think about this now.
1079
00:33:41,753 --> 00:33:43,521
I've heard people talk about. It.
1080
00:33:43,521 --> 00:33:46,424
I think I think we've tried to do that
1081
00:33:46,424 --> 00:33:47,492
or whatever we fooled around with.
1082
00:33:47,492 --> 00:33:48,893
Then we got away from it.
1083
00:33:48,893 --> 00:33:50,128
But I have
1084
00:33:50,128 --> 00:33:50,995
I will tell you something
1085
00:33:50,995 --> 00:33:51,963
about raising the grain
1086
00:33:51,963 --> 00:33:53,297
on after the first sanding,
1087
00:33:53,297 --> 00:33:56,501
but you go ahead first.
1088
00:33:56,501 --> 00:33:58,870
Well, they're saying to do it
1089
00:33:58,870 --> 00:34:01,039
before your final sanding.
1090
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:03,441
So if I was, you know, 36, 50,
1091
00:34:03,441 --> 00:34:04,809
80, and then going to hit it
1092
00:34:04,809 --> 00:34:06,477
with a multi disc 120,
1093
00:34:08,146 --> 00:34:09,013
you would
1094
00:34:09,013 --> 00:34:09,714
when you're done,
1095
00:34:09,714 --> 00:34:13,184
radiant water, pop the floor, let it dry
1096
00:34:13,184 --> 00:34:16,487
and then screen it or multi-disc it.
1097
00:34:17,321 --> 00:34:19,557
And they said that that eliminates
1098
00:34:20,191 --> 00:34:22,260
a lot of green rays
1099
00:34:22,260 --> 00:34:23,428
for when you use
1100
00:34:23,428 --> 00:34:25,763
in the water based sealers.
1101
00:34:25,763 --> 00:34:26,431
But
1102
00:34:27,965 --> 00:34:29,467
I don't know if I'm
1103
00:34:29,467 --> 00:34:31,803
if if I'm good with that.
1104
00:34:32,837 --> 00:34:34,939
So that's an old woodworkers tip
1105
00:34:34,939 --> 00:34:36,808
that if you're doing on a table
1106
00:34:36,808 --> 00:34:39,143
that like is the one and I'm
1107
00:34:39,210 --> 00:34:40,344
right here and it's of,
1108
00:34:40,344 --> 00:34:42,447
you know, three foot by five foot,
1109
00:34:42,447 --> 00:34:43,581
you know, I can see doing that.
1110
00:34:43,581 --> 00:34:45,316
And they do that like after every pass
1111
00:34:45,316 --> 00:34:45,883
they like.
1112
00:34:45,883 --> 00:34:46,350
And in fact,
1113
00:34:46,350 --> 00:34:47,251
they'll do it several times,
1114
00:34:47,251 --> 00:34:49,454
some of them on really fine furniture.
1115
00:34:49,454 --> 00:34:51,456
But I don't know I think what the
1116
00:34:52,523 --> 00:34:55,726
to your point about the about Tampico
1117
00:34:55,726 --> 00:34:56,894
brush and everything
1118
00:34:56,894 --> 00:34:57,795
if you're doing those type
1119
00:34:57,795 --> 00:34:58,763
of things in today's
1120
00:34:58,763 --> 00:34:59,797
either especially the way they are
1121
00:34:59,797 --> 00:35:00,364
as a braid.
1122
00:35:01,332 --> 00:35:03,067
I don't think I would I would
1123
00:35:03,067 --> 00:35:05,069
put the time into it on that.
1124
00:35:05,069 --> 00:35:05,470
Yeah.
1125
00:35:05,470 --> 00:35:06,938
I mean that was the first thing
1126
00:35:06,938 --> 00:35:08,539
that I was thinking is
1127
00:35:08,539 --> 00:35:11,375
so I'm going to water pop the floor
1128
00:35:11,375 --> 00:35:14,045
and then yeah, sometimes
1129
00:35:14,045 --> 00:35:14,912
how long you see.
1130
00:35:14,912 --> 00:35:15,947
I've seen water poplars
1131
00:35:15,947 --> 00:35:17,815
take two or 3 hours to dry.
1132
00:35:17,815 --> 00:35:18,549
Mm hmm.
1133
00:35:18,583 --> 00:35:19,317
You're going to
1134
00:35:19,383 --> 00:35:22,120
hang out for two or 3 hours where,
1135
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:22,954
you know,
1136
00:35:23,754 --> 00:35:25,156
especially like now, like you
1137
00:35:25,156 --> 00:35:27,225
said, we're using Tampico brushes,
1138
00:35:27,692 --> 00:35:28,893
we're using
1139
00:35:28,893 --> 00:35:31,395
multi disks, we're using the black paper
1140
00:35:31,395 --> 00:35:32,196
and not screens.
1141
00:35:32,196 --> 00:35:34,232
We're burnishing more than we used to
1142
00:35:34,232 --> 00:35:35,933
and not shredding.
1143
00:35:35,933 --> 00:35:37,502
So, I mean,
1144
00:35:37,502 --> 00:35:39,337
they kind of recommended that I,
1145
00:35:39,337 --> 00:35:41,772
I don't know if I'm down with that.
1146
00:35:41,772 --> 00:35:43,407
Our floors are pretty smooth
1147
00:35:43,407 --> 00:35:45,543
and a lot of our schools
1148
00:35:45,543 --> 00:35:47,745
just form our regular process.
1149
00:35:47,745 --> 00:35:50,281
Yep. I will say this though.
1150
00:35:50,281 --> 00:35:51,482
You can make an argument
1151
00:35:51,482 --> 00:35:53,484
after you make your first pass
1152
00:35:54,051 --> 00:35:56,420
with the with the big machine with
1153
00:35:57,255 --> 00:35:59,290
with like a common grade word
1154
00:35:59,290 --> 00:36:01,192
especially that you water
1155
00:36:01,192 --> 00:36:02,493
pop it right after that pass
1156
00:36:02,493 --> 00:36:04,061
and what are probably heavy
1157
00:36:04,061 --> 00:36:04,795
that any wind
1158
00:36:04,795 --> 00:36:06,264
shake that you might have
1159
00:36:06,264 --> 00:36:08,666
would make come up at that time
1160
00:36:08,666 --> 00:36:09,367
and you replace it
1161
00:36:09,367 --> 00:36:10,635
then until
1162
00:36:10,635 --> 00:36:12,570
when you get to the end of the job.
1163
00:36:12,570 --> 00:36:13,437
Okay.
1164
00:36:13,437 --> 00:36:14,071
That I get.
1165
00:36:14,071 --> 00:36:17,642
Yeah.
1166
00:36:17,642 --> 00:36:18,910
So what made you stop doing it?
1167
00:36:19,911 --> 00:36:21,879
I stopped doing floors.
1168
00:36:21,879 --> 00:36:22,547
No,
1169
00:36:23,447 --> 00:36:25,082
you said you did it for a little while.
1170
00:36:25,082 --> 00:36:27,752
Yeah, because I was reading those
1171
00:36:27,752 --> 00:36:29,487
those woodworking magazines
1172
00:36:29,487 --> 00:36:31,789
and stuff when? Back in the. Eighties.
1173
00:36:32,256 --> 00:36:33,824
That's a 30 year old article, by the way.
1174
00:36:33,824 --> 00:36:34,692
No kidding.
1175
00:36:34,692 --> 00:36:36,060
No, but I was reading
1176
00:36:36,060 --> 00:36:37,495
a lot of woodworking magazines
1177
00:36:37,495 --> 00:36:38,996
because it related to floors
1178
00:36:38,996 --> 00:36:39,730
and everything.
1179
00:36:39,730 --> 00:36:40,498
And I,
1180
00:36:40,498 --> 00:36:41,632
you know, talking with workers,
1181
00:36:41,632 --> 00:36:43,734
I know that's a common thing that they do
1182
00:36:44,535 --> 00:36:46,237
is that they water pipe before they
1183
00:36:46,237 --> 00:36:48,739
and then they sand it then they code
1184
00:36:48,739 --> 00:36:50,942
and I just and I've tried it so
1185
00:36:50,942 --> 00:36:52,743
I just don't think with today's
1186
00:36:52,743 --> 00:36:54,312
finishes and techniques
1187
00:36:54,312 --> 00:36:55,613
and the higher beams
1188
00:36:55,613 --> 00:36:56,280
and the different things
1189
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,481
we have going today,
1190
00:36:57,481 --> 00:36:59,217
I don't think it's necessary today.
1191
00:36:59,217 --> 00:37:02,253
Yeah, I agree.
1192
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:03,721
Last thing I got here,
1193
00:37:05,556 --> 00:37:05,890
what do you
1194
00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:08,259
think the ratio is for
1195
00:37:12,096 --> 00:37:13,297
scratches?
1196
00:37:14,131 --> 00:37:15,600
I think the ratio was between
1197
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,068
using a random movable sander
1198
00:37:17,068 --> 00:37:18,603
and a hand sander.
1199
00:37:18,603 --> 00:37:20,938
Number of scratches ratio.
1200
00:37:21,606 --> 00:37:24,175
Oh, I would think you would be just way
1201
00:37:24,175 --> 00:37:25,209
more scratches with a
1202
00:37:25,209 --> 00:37:27,044
with the orbital than the hand
1203
00:37:27,044 --> 00:37:28,479
sanding like way more.
1204
00:37:28,479 --> 00:37:31,115
They said it's close to 100 to 1.
1205
00:37:31,649 --> 00:37:33,084
No kidding.
1206
00:37:33,451 --> 00:37:35,086
Yeah. Wow.
1207
00:37:35,086 --> 00:37:35,620
And that's
1208
00:37:35,620 --> 00:37:36,320
why the random
1209
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:36,954
orbital looks
1210
00:37:36,954 --> 00:37:39,991
so much better than just hand chanting.
1211
00:37:40,157 --> 00:37:41,225
No kidding.
1212
00:37:41,225 --> 00:37:44,795
Because there are so many more scratches
1213
00:37:44,795 --> 00:37:45,696
that hides more
1214
00:37:45,696 --> 00:37:46,464
the more you know, it's
1215
00:37:46,464 --> 00:37:47,965
not just one scratch you're looking at.
1216
00:37:47,965 --> 00:37:49,900
He was trying to look at 100.
1217
00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:52,403
Yeah. In the same small area.
1218
00:37:52,403 --> 00:37:54,205
That's interesting.
1219
00:37:54,272 --> 00:37:56,374
You know why we're doing this
1220
00:37:56,374 --> 00:37:58,242
about random orbital sanding.
1221
00:37:58,242 --> 00:37:59,410
Why?
1222
00:37:59,410 --> 00:38:01,846
Because I have been so against
1223
00:38:01,846 --> 00:38:03,214
the random orbital sander.
1224
00:38:04,448 --> 00:38:05,950
Well, you know, I have to.
1225
00:38:05,950 --> 00:38:09,487
I tell everybody in the classes, look,
1226
00:38:09,487 --> 00:38:10,721
if you do a good enough job
1227
00:38:10,721 --> 00:38:11,222
with your buff
1228
00:38:11,222 --> 00:38:12,323
around the edges and edge
1229
00:38:12,323 --> 00:38:14,392
and you really don't need to use
1230
00:38:14,392 --> 00:38:15,259
random more saying
1231
00:38:15,259 --> 00:38:17,094
you're wasting your time,
1232
00:38:17,094 --> 00:38:19,697
well, I don't know why.
1233
00:38:20,431 --> 00:38:21,699
There's a lot of people out there
1234
00:38:21,699 --> 00:38:23,000
doing some amazing work
1235
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:23,467
and they use
1236
00:38:23,467 --> 00:38:25,903
a random orbital on everything.
1237
00:38:25,903 --> 00:38:28,506
My son is included in that, so
1238
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,142
I'm going to have to give it up
1239
00:38:31,142 --> 00:38:33,377
to the random orbital sanding guys.
1240
00:38:33,377 --> 00:38:35,980
Well, be aware that, you know,
1241
00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:37,682
a lot of people feel like,
1242
00:38:37,682 --> 00:38:39,750
okay, if it's a natural finish floor,
1243
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:41,285
I really don't have the orbital
1244
00:38:41,285 --> 00:38:41,886
seeing anything
1245
00:38:41,886 --> 00:38:44,088
because it's not going to show.
1246
00:38:44,221 --> 00:38:45,990
But sometimes over time
1247
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:49,160
that finish can engage and show up later
1248
00:38:49,627 --> 00:38:50,961
where you wouldn't think it would.
1249
00:38:51,996 --> 00:38:53,631
So there's that.
1250
00:38:53,998 --> 00:38:55,399
And when I say I was against the orbital
1251
00:38:55,399 --> 00:38:56,701
sander, I'm different than you.
1252
00:38:56,701 --> 00:38:58,202
Like I was like dead set on
1253
00:38:58,202 --> 00:39:00,137
you hand sander nothing.
1254
00:39:00,137 --> 00:39:02,273
You hand Sander You get out of here,
1255
00:39:02,273 --> 00:39:04,208
don't even bring up Orbital Sanders.
1256
00:39:04,208 --> 00:39:05,009
I mean, forever.
1257
00:39:05,009 --> 00:39:07,645
We were never what it like.
1258
00:39:07,645 --> 00:39:09,480
We would curse someone for saying,
1259
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:10,815
how come we can't use a normal sander?
1260
00:39:10,815 --> 00:39:12,450
I've talked about that,
1261
00:39:13,351 --> 00:39:16,387
but it's all it all comes down to
1262
00:39:17,088 --> 00:39:18,856
it all comes down to now,
1263
00:39:18,856 --> 00:39:20,991
especially with the power drive.
1264
00:39:20,991 --> 00:39:22,193
Never more important
1265
00:39:22,193 --> 00:39:22,960
for any time
1266
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,463
before I think is grid sequence.
1267
00:39:25,463 --> 00:39:27,431
The power drive will do the job.
1268
00:39:27,431 --> 00:39:29,433
It is an amazing, amazing tool.
1269
00:39:29,967 --> 00:39:32,336
It comes down to grid sequence
1270
00:39:32,336 --> 00:39:34,638
and when you and the marriage line
1271
00:39:34,772 --> 00:39:35,706
between the
1272
00:39:35,706 --> 00:39:38,042
the wall line and the field
1273
00:39:38,042 --> 00:39:40,111
and getting your recipe together,
1274
00:39:40,478 --> 00:39:42,813
you know, what is your formula and
1275
00:39:43,381 --> 00:39:46,283
and and sticking with that and man
1276
00:39:46,317 --> 00:39:47,318
it's just
1277
00:39:47,351 --> 00:39:49,153
you can produce
1278
00:39:49,153 --> 00:39:51,622
furniture grade floors now.
1279
00:39:51,622 --> 00:39:53,391
I mean, really easy
1280
00:39:53,391 --> 00:39:54,859
because it's not a piece of furniture.
1281
00:39:54,859 --> 00:39:56,660
It's it's a wood floor,
1282
00:39:56,660 --> 00:39:58,195
but it damn sure can be a piece of wood
1283
00:39:58,195 --> 00:39:59,397
furniture now.
1284
00:39:59,730 --> 00:40:01,899
So, yeah, I'll tell you what, you know,
1285
00:40:02,967 --> 00:40:03,801
sometimes people
1286
00:40:03,801 --> 00:40:04,435
would forget
1287
00:40:04,435 --> 00:40:05,669
and I wouldn't say anything
1288
00:40:05,669 --> 00:40:07,872
or whatever it would declare
1289
00:40:07,872 --> 00:40:10,441
I am going to be Mr.
1290
00:40:10,441 --> 00:40:14,445
back in between changes from now on.
1291
00:40:14,678 --> 00:40:17,515
I mean I'm going to be adamant about it
1292
00:40:18,482 --> 00:40:20,251
when you start looking at
1293
00:40:20,251 --> 00:40:21,318
what it looks like
1294
00:40:21,318 --> 00:40:23,120
and what it doesn't look like,
1295
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,357
even even Bona has a great picture
1296
00:40:26,490 --> 00:40:29,794
of a floor that was sanded to 120
1297
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:33,330
11.
1298
00:40:33,330 --> 00:40:35,800
Now I'm with you since.
1299
00:40:35,833 --> 00:40:36,901
Just fall asleep.
1300
00:40:36,901 --> 00:40:38,102
No, no.
1301
00:40:38,969 --> 00:40:40,271
The floor was
1302
00:40:40,704 --> 00:40:42,139
the floor and I think we talked about it.
1303
00:40:42,139 --> 00:40:43,507
We might even put a picture up on
1304
00:40:43,507 --> 00:40:46,243
the show before, but it was sanded to 120
1305
00:40:46,677 --> 00:40:50,014
and then vacuumed.
1306
00:40:50,014 --> 00:40:50,781
And then you looked at
1307
00:40:50,781 --> 00:40:51,982
that under a microscope
1308
00:40:51,982 --> 00:40:53,784
and took a picture of it.
1309
00:40:53,851 --> 00:40:55,886
Then they did the same job,
1310
00:40:55,886 --> 00:40:56,220
you know,
1311
00:40:56,220 --> 00:40:57,688
finish with 120
1312
00:40:57,688 --> 00:41:00,691
and hit it with a Tampico brush.
1313
00:41:00,691 --> 00:41:02,359
Absolutely amazing
1314
00:41:02,359 --> 00:41:03,661
how much
1315
00:41:03,661 --> 00:41:05,029
the difference in the picture
1316
00:41:05,029 --> 00:41:07,998
is unbelievable of what it looks like.
1317
00:41:08,499 --> 00:41:10,201
Vacuumed but what it looked like.
1318
00:41:10,201 --> 00:41:11,235
Tampico
1319
00:41:11,235 --> 00:41:12,670
And that was one of the things
1320
00:41:12,670 --> 00:41:13,938
that they really stressed in
1321
00:41:13,938 --> 00:41:14,672
this article
1322
00:41:14,672 --> 00:41:16,774
is not just backing but
1323
00:41:16,774 --> 00:41:20,077
brush backing them.
1324
00:41:20,077 --> 00:41:22,079
And I want to say, you know,
1325
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:24,415
I wonder where they're at because,
1326
00:41:24,415 --> 00:41:26,450
you know, the other
1327
00:41:26,450 --> 00:41:28,052
the other half of the people out there
1328
00:41:29,220 --> 00:41:30,120
like to use the
1329
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,523
felt and not the brush.
1330
00:41:33,224 --> 00:41:34,725
This they were really leaning
1331
00:41:34,725 --> 00:41:37,862
towards the brush. Yep.
1332
00:41:37,862 --> 00:41:40,064
What do you filter a brush.
1333
00:41:40,464 --> 00:41:42,366
Yeah, I think right too. Yeah.
1334
00:41:42,366 --> 00:41:42,933
You know what
1335
00:41:42,933 --> 00:41:43,234
you know what
1336
00:41:43,234 --> 00:41:45,202
I love about this episode, Rob,
1337
00:41:45,202 --> 00:41:45,903
is that
1338
00:41:45,903 --> 00:41:48,572
you've been in this industry forever and
1339
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,675
Lord knows he knows how old you are.
1340
00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:55,279
At 61.
1341
00:41:55,546 --> 00:41:58,382
And you get excited about knowledge
1342
00:41:58,849 --> 00:41:59,917
when you learn something like this
1343
00:41:59,917 --> 00:42:01,719
that you can share with your students
1344
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,153
and you still get excited about.
1345
00:42:03,153 --> 00:42:04,522
You're still seeking knowledge
1346
00:42:04,522 --> 00:42:06,891
and trying to find out things and and
1347
00:42:08,792 --> 00:42:10,127
I love that about you, man.
1348
00:42:10,127 --> 00:42:11,128
You never stop learning.
1349
00:42:11,128 --> 00:42:13,097
Knowledge is power, you know what I mean?
1350
00:42:13,097 --> 00:42:15,132
And we talked about upselling,
1351
00:42:15,933 --> 00:42:17,968
even to be able to tell the client,
1352
00:42:18,269 --> 00:42:19,470
I love this story, man,
1353
00:42:19,470 --> 00:42:20,938
you need sand the floors.
1354
00:42:20,938 --> 00:42:22,039
If you don't
1355
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:24,041
if you don't vacuum between coats
1356
00:42:24,041 --> 00:42:24,642
and extract
1357
00:42:24,642 --> 00:42:25,943
that that dust out there
1358
00:42:25,943 --> 00:42:27,278
that gets in the microscopically
1359
00:42:27,278 --> 00:42:29,013
into all the little pores,
1360
00:42:29,013 --> 00:42:30,848
the next grit will never get down there
1361
00:42:30,848 --> 00:42:32,483
to get passed all that properly
1362
00:42:32,483 --> 00:42:34,051
to to sand all that out.
1363
00:42:34,051 --> 00:42:34,985
You're setting the table
1364
00:42:34,985 --> 00:42:36,754
for a beautiful surface
1365
00:42:36,754 --> 00:42:38,689
for for for applying finish
1366
00:42:38,689 --> 00:42:40,024
or your stain coats
1367
00:42:40,024 --> 00:42:42,259
and you're setting it up for for success.
1368
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:43,160
And
1369
00:42:44,128 --> 00:42:45,262
you, you get that
1370
00:42:45,262 --> 00:42:46,764
message out to your clients
1371
00:42:46,764 --> 00:42:47,731
and they'll appreciate
1372
00:42:47,731 --> 00:42:49,567
the craftsmanship in it. People.
1373
00:42:49,567 --> 00:42:50,801
I love to see other crafts,
1374
00:42:50,801 --> 00:42:53,070
but I was watching a guy shoe
1375
00:42:53,070 --> 00:42:54,371
horses the other day
1376
00:42:54,371 --> 00:42:55,739
and I seeing man all the experience
1377
00:42:55,739 --> 00:42:57,775
and that dude's hands, everything I seen.
1378
00:42:57,775 --> 00:42:59,276
Brick, brick masons,
1379
00:42:59,276 --> 00:43:01,278
how fast your foot in the mud in there,
1380
00:43:01,278 --> 00:43:01,946
putting the brakes down,
1381
00:43:01,946 --> 00:43:03,380
taking the mud back out.
1382
00:43:03,380 --> 00:43:05,049
Any craftsman,
1383
00:43:05,049 --> 00:43:05,783
if you don't do that,
1384
00:43:05,783 --> 00:43:06,517
you live in
1385
00:43:06,517 --> 00:43:08,919
most everybody appreciates what they do.
1386
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:10,421
A lot of clients
1387
00:43:10,421 --> 00:43:12,189
don't understand what we do.
1388
00:43:12,189 --> 00:43:13,524
And they you know what I mean?
1389
00:43:13,524 --> 00:43:15,059
They may see what we're doing,
1390
00:43:15,059 --> 00:43:15,960
whatever, but they don't know
1391
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,027
the intricacies
1392
00:43:17,027 --> 00:43:18,062
and how how
1393
00:43:18,062 --> 00:43:19,430
every step is so important
1394
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:20,230
and how many steps
1395
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:22,166
there are involved in what we do.
1396
00:43:22,166 --> 00:43:24,168
So we talk about upselling
1397
00:43:24,168 --> 00:43:25,636
and adding quality to the job
1398
00:43:25,636 --> 00:43:26,170
and being able
1399
00:43:26,170 --> 00:43:27,638
to get that across the client.
1400
00:43:27,638 --> 00:43:29,506
I think it is so important.
1401
00:43:29,506 --> 00:43:30,407
It also helps them
1402
00:43:30,407 --> 00:43:32,610
appreciate everything that we do.
1403
00:43:32,610 --> 00:43:34,712
When you see a guy doing all these
1404
00:43:34,712 --> 00:43:36,113
all these steps,
1405
00:43:36,113 --> 00:43:37,648
just like he said in the last episode,
1406
00:43:37,648 --> 00:43:38,882
we said the guy was so
1407
00:43:38,882 --> 00:43:40,050
or the lady was so impressive
1408
00:43:40,050 --> 00:43:42,953
on the on the on the estimate.
1409
00:43:43,454 --> 00:43:44,188
You know what I mean?
1410
00:43:44,188 --> 00:43:46,023
Clients appreciate that of stuff.
1411
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You're adding value.
1412
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So I would say this,
1413
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it is so important.
1414
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And if
1415
00:43:52,229 --> 00:43:53,297
English isn't your second
1416
00:43:53,297 --> 00:43:55,332
language pictures goes
1417
00:43:55,332 --> 00:43:57,868
English isn't your first language
1418
00:43:57,868 --> 00:44:00,270
pictures go miles sometimes
1419
00:44:00,437 --> 00:44:01,472
if you have a good
1420
00:44:01,472 --> 00:44:03,674
a professional looking portfolio
1421
00:44:03,674 --> 00:44:04,942
but it's not
1422
00:44:04,942 --> 00:44:06,243
and you're not good at this,
1423
00:44:06,243 --> 00:44:08,379
I think you need to practice your pitch
1424
00:44:08,946 --> 00:44:11,315
to your presentation to your clients,
1425
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just like you practice anything else.
1426
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You know what I mean?
1427
00:44:14,518 --> 00:44:15,953
You this is your chance.
1428
00:44:15,953 --> 00:44:17,454
I've said it a thousand times
1429
00:44:17,454 --> 00:44:18,322
and I'm always going to say it
1430
00:44:18,322 --> 00:44:19,023
that half hour
1431
00:44:19,023 --> 00:44:21,125
you have in front of that client
1432
00:44:21,125 --> 00:44:24,128
to to to sell yourself
1433
00:44:24,128 --> 00:44:24,828
is a difference
1434
00:44:24,828 --> 00:44:26,764
between at the end of the year was okay
1435
00:44:26,764 --> 00:44:28,032
we got by whatever
1436
00:44:28,032 --> 00:44:30,134
or we killed it this year
1437
00:44:30,134 --> 00:44:30,968
things are looking
1438
00:44:30,968 --> 00:44:31,969
like they're slowing down
1439
00:44:31,969 --> 00:44:33,837
right now in the economy
1440
00:44:33,837 --> 00:44:35,072
other than all through the West Coast
1441
00:44:35,072 --> 00:44:37,107
in the last last number of weeks.
1442
00:44:37,107 --> 00:44:38,976
And you start seeing it slow down.
1443
00:44:38,976 --> 00:44:40,744
How are you going to handle that?
1444
00:44:40,744 --> 00:44:43,080
How are you going to adjust for that one?
1445
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,215
Of the ways, I think is by upselling,
1446
00:44:45,683 --> 00:44:46,116
you know,
1447
00:44:46,116 --> 00:44:48,152
showing that you are above and beyond
1448
00:44:48,752 --> 00:44:50,421
the next guy down the road.
1449
00:44:50,421 --> 00:44:51,989
And these are the type of things.
1450
00:44:51,989 --> 00:44:52,956
That's why we
1451
00:44:52,956 --> 00:44:53,190
you know,
1452
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:54,892
we really appreciate our listeners
1453
00:44:54,892 --> 00:44:55,826
and, you know, we have
1454
00:44:55,826 --> 00:44:56,627
we joke around a lot,
1455
00:44:56,627 --> 00:44:57,194
but you bet
1456
00:44:57,194 --> 00:44:58,929
your butt we're damn serious about it
1457
00:44:58,929 --> 00:45:00,631
when it comes right down to it.
1458
00:45:00,631 --> 00:45:02,566
We both love this craft.
1459
00:45:02,566 --> 00:45:03,600
We were amazed.
1460
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,369
I talked about the TikTok videos
1461
00:45:05,369 --> 00:45:06,804
we see all the time and
1462
00:45:06,804 --> 00:45:08,238
and and people say,
1463
00:45:08,238 --> 00:45:09,339
you know, I'll go in there, go, man.
1464
00:45:09,339 --> 00:45:10,674
It's a beautiful floor.
1465
00:45:10,674 --> 00:45:11,608
And probably people say,
1466
00:45:11,608 --> 00:45:13,777
gosh, will you wings is on all the time,
1467
00:45:13,777 --> 00:45:14,878
but I mean it every time.
1468
00:45:14,878 --> 00:45:16,113
I love to see that man.
1469
00:45:16,113 --> 00:45:17,948
I love seeing the craftsmanship
1470
00:45:17,948 --> 00:45:20,484
and we want to see people be successful.
1471
00:45:20,951 --> 00:45:21,752
I mean it
1472
00:45:21,752 --> 00:45:22,953
when Rob teaches
1473
00:45:22,953 --> 00:45:23,754
someone in class
1474
00:45:23,754 --> 00:45:25,155
and then they come back, go,
1475
00:45:25,155 --> 00:45:25,456
Oh man,
1476
00:45:25,456 --> 00:45:26,790
I can't believe I was never doing it
1477
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:27,157
that way.
1478
00:45:27,157 --> 00:45:28,092
And now I do it that way.
1479
00:45:28,092 --> 00:45:30,160
It's so much faster than it used to be.
1480
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,329
We we love that stuff, man.
1481
00:45:32,663 --> 00:45:33,097
So
1482
00:45:36,166 --> 00:45:37,034
I hope it helps.
1483
00:45:37,034 --> 00:45:37,401
Hope you
1484
00:45:37,401 --> 00:45:38,635
get something out of the episode.
1485
00:45:38,635 --> 00:45:39,737
Robin I sure, sure
1486
00:45:39,737 --> 00:45:41,638
love talking to everybody across the end.
1487
00:45:41,638 --> 00:45:43,140
We appreciate all the, the,
1488
00:45:43,140 --> 00:45:45,743
the, the, the, the mail emails
1489
00:45:45,743 --> 00:45:47,044
we get in the text messages
1490
00:45:47,044 --> 00:45:49,379
and the phone calls and what have you.
1491
00:45:49,379 --> 00:45:50,981
It means a lot to us.
1492
00:45:50,981 --> 00:45:54,184
And we appreciate your listenership and
1493
00:45:55,219 --> 00:45:57,554
please do stay tuned for another episode.
1494
00:45:57,554 --> 00:45:58,856
This one, another episode of On
1495
00:45:58,856 --> 00:46:07,631
the Floor with Wayne and Rob.