On The Floor with Wayne and Rob

Revisit: Coating Difficult Areas

Episode Summary

Wayne and Rob discuss the tips and tricks to use when coating difficult areas. Follow Bona US Professional online: Website: https://www1.bona.com/en-us/professional/ Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/BonaProfessional Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bonauspro/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bonapro.us/

Episode Transcription

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Hello and

 

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welcome to another episode

 

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of On the Floor with Wayne and Rob.

 

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I'm Wayne

 

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Highlander, national sales

 

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manager for Bona Adhesives.

 

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I'm Rob Johnson from Bona Training.

 

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All right, Rob.

 

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Something that you talk about

 

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quite a bit.

 

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One of our listeners

 

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called in or wrote in

 

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and asked if we could do a show

 

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on coating difficult areas.

 

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And it occurred to me

 

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when I was thinking about that,

 

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that how important it is

 

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when two guys are working together,

 

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that they're in tune with each other.

 

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You know,

 

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the first

 

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the first time I experienced this

 

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and I went to work as a rep

 

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and I went on a job to help guys coat

 

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a floor.

 

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English wasn't their first language,

 

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and I don't speak any other language

 

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in English, so they're ahead of me.

 

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At least

 

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they understood English really well.

 

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But I got everybody organized.

 

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We we mixed up the finish

 

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and were ready to start voting the floor.

 

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I walked the job.

 

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I thought to myself, okay,

 

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it says, we're going to start here,

 

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and then we'll kind of work

 

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our way through here

 

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and then we'll bring in the hallway

 

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and blah, blah, blah.

 

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So I kind of like pointed out

 

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what I was going to do

 

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and everybody's looking at me.

 

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No one's really saying much.

 

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So I said, okay, let's go.

 

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So I had a I had a a gallon of finish.

 

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Somebody else had a gallon of Finnish.

 

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I had a T bar,

 

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somebody else had a tea bar.

 

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And they were like,

 

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two guys are cutting a bit.

 

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So pretty good, pretty decent sized job.

 

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So basically, I said, go.

 

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And I lost control of it in 13 seconds.

 

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I never seen anything

 

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like it for my life, man.

 

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Everybody went different directions,

 

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started going their own world,

 

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doing their own thing.

 

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And

 

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I was like,

 

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Holy smokes, man, I didn't even.

 

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That was it didn't.

 

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I wasn't even thinking about

 

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bringing that room

 

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into the equation right now.

 

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And every

 

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you guys coming down the hallway already

 

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and yeah,

 

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we're not going to have time

 

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to tie in everything.

 

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It's like

 

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I've never lost control of something

 

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so fast in my life.

 

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And it was at that time I realized

 

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there's a lot of ways to go to floor

 

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and, you know, when you get into

 

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a couple of guys going on a jobsite

 

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and one guy goes and does Coach's area.

 

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And a good example is,

 

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let's say a kitchen island.

 

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Like if you're let's say you're

 

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you're using

 

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Lamb's will advocate or something

 

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and you're putting on Pauly

 

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and you're cutting the floor

 

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and the guy has a brush,

 

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four inch brush and he's cutting in.

 

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But now he's got to cut in

 

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and around the island

 

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because, you know, you're busy

 

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doing something else.

 

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And his meal

 

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thickness is completely different

 

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than yours.

 

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Or if a guy is cutting in the borders

 

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on a water based finish

 

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and he's cutting in razor

 

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thin with his with his applicator

 

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and you're coming with a T-bar,

 

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you're cutting, you know,

 

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quite a bit of difference mil thickness,

 

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that marriage line

 

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where they come together

 

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or even

 

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a shade difference can be different

 

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because the thickness of the of the

 

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the product they're putting on the floor.

 

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So all those things have to

 

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be taken into consideration.

 

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You know, you're

 

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talking about

 

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you had to work with a crew

 

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that didn't understand you.

 

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I had the same same thing happen to me.

 

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I had this guy

 

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contractor, call me up and he said, Hey,

 

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can you train my guys

 

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on this record system?

 

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We got this chain of restaurants.

 

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And I was like, Yeah,

 

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you know, absolutely no.

 

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And he goes, Yeah, we just need you to,

 

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you know, train them on the first one.

 

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They can

 

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they know how to pull t bars

 

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and everything, but,

 

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you know,

 

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they want the whole RICO process.

 

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I said, yeah, no problem.

 

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Should be great.

 

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Nice job.

 

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Go in there.

 

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Everything's set.

 

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Everything's ready to go.

 

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But this guy couldn't make it.

 

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The guy you talked to,

 

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all of his guys,

 

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Spanish speaking guys that did not

 

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understand me.

 

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I didn't understand them.

 

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They didn't understand me.

 

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And I was kind of

 

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you know,

 

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I was kind of laughing to myself

 

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about like, how,

 

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you know,

 

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this is going to be an all night

 

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pantomime type thing, you know?

 

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So what I finally did was called the guy.

 

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He gave me the number of another guy

 

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and the whole night

 

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we had that guy on speakerphone.

 

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The whole whole night

 

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he was on speaker phone,

 

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translating everything.

 

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And it actually

 

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it went pretty good.

 

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I was really shocked how

 

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having that guy on the phone

 

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really helped felt bad for him.

 

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He had to sit there on the phone

 

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all night long, but

 

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I didn't know what else to do

 

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because it was going to be a long night

 

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if they couldn't understand

 

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a word I was saying

 

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and what

 

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you were just

 

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saying about meal thickness.

 

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You know,

 

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I know this is going to be

 

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about tight spots, difficult areas

 

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also.

 

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You know,

 

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different products

 

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are going to be a little bit

 

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tougher sometimes.

 

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And things with the pigments in it.

 

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I am really big on teaching that in

 

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a school that every pass you make,

 

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you're switching your hands.

 

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So it's always the same exact pressure

 

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whether you're coming or going

 

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and going down or coming back.

 

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It's always the same pressure

 

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and if you don't switch your hands,

 

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you just kind of turn and walk backwards.

 

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Rather than walking forward

 

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with the T-bar you're you're

 

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pulling instead of dragging,

 

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you should always be dragging it.

 

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And I know everybody, you know,

 

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you might think,

 

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that's that's

 

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pulling and dragging the same thing,

 

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really?

 

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Not when you're dragging it behind you.

 

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You're really not putting any

 

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pressure at all.

 

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So when you make that turn,

 

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you switch those hands and

 

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you're dragging it again.

 

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Yeah, it makes sense

 

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When you

 

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when you were in talking about the guys,

 

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I couldn't understand you.

 

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It's amazing.

 

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We're talking about this industry

 

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being a brotherhood.

 

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I've been in that situation before.

 

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What we

 

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really just don't understand each other.

 

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We all know what has to get done.

 

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We have to go to floor,

 

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but we can't really communicate

 

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very well.

 

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But as you get into it

 

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and everybody starts realizing,

 

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okay, I said what he's doing,

 

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he knows what I'm doing.

 

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We find a way that

 

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we start working together

 

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at the end,

 

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even though you don't

 

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speak the same language, man, you're

 

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speaking the same language, right?

 

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Everybody gets it. Everybody knows.

 

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And then your expense,

 

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your high five each other,

 

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doing the job or whatever, or,

 

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you know,

 

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you get that look like, Yeah,

 

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we killed this as universal, man.

 

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Everybody understands that feeling.

 

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You know, it's funny

 

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you said that because I remember

 

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we probably finished up around,

 

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I don't know, three,

 

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4:00 in the morning, and

 

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we were all standing

 

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around the parking lot.

 

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You know, they were loaded up,

 

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everything was done.

 

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And it was pretty cool,

 

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you know, that we had accomplished

 

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that whole thing.

 

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We really didn't understand each other,

 

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But then

 

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we kicked the hell out of that floor.

 

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We did a great job.

 

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And you could see that

 

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everybody was pumped about it.

 

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You know,

 

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like like you said,

 

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you know,

 

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a little bit of a brotherhood

 

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form there that night.

 

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Yeah, no doubt about it.

 

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And usually

 

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and that's why it's funny at the schools

 

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we went Amy goes

 

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to boner school we feed everybody well

 

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and that's

 

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when you can see everybody

 

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kind of get together

 

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and break bread together.

 

268

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And you know that now the the, you know,

 

269

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12 guys or 15 guys,

 

270

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whoever that

 

271

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come from different parts of the country

 

272

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didn't know each other.

 

273

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All of a sudden, they're a family.

 

274

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You know what I mean?

 

275

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We are a squad man.

 

276

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That is

 

277

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that is one of the best parts

 

278

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of our schools.

 

279

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I don't want to get off track.

 

280

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I've said it a million times,

 

281

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but, you know, 12 individuals show up and

 

282

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a team walks out the door.

 

283

00:07:49,902 --> 00:07:51,304

Yeah, yeah.

 

284

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And I think

 

285

00:07:52,238 --> 00:07:53,806

and it just happened again

 

286

00:07:53,806 --> 00:07:57,076

last week in Jersey.

 

287

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A lot of them didn't want to leave.

 

288

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They were hanging out in the parking lot.

 

289

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They were talking to each other.

 

290

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They were exchanging numbers and cards.

 

291

00:08:03,916 --> 00:08:04,917

And, you know,

 

292

00:08:04,917 --> 00:08:05,852

they're going to work together

 

293

00:08:05,852 --> 00:08:07,053

on a couple of jobs.

 

294

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And I saw the same thing happen.

 

295

00:08:09,755 --> 00:08:12,558

And you see the same thing everywhere

 

296

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that, you know, like I said,

 

297

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they come as individuals

 

298

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and they leave as brothers.

 

299

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It's a pretty cool thing to say

 

300

00:08:20,967 --> 00:08:23,536

is as corny as that sounds.

 

301

00:08:23,536 --> 00:08:25,338

I know that, man.

 

302

00:08:25,338 --> 00:08:27,173

I just love

 

303

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seeing that at the end of a class.

 

304

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And it's not corny

 

305

00:08:30,376 --> 00:08:32,044

and I can tell you that we did it.

 

306

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I think you were you much better

 

307

00:08:33,145 --> 00:08:33,880

there at this class?

 

308

00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:35,481

Tim Murphy

 

309

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went to our class in Nashville.

 

310

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He's the older guys, sat

 

311

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in the back of the classroom, said, Hey,

 

312

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really don't need

 

313

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this is more for my guys

 

314

00:08:42,588 --> 00:08:44,056

and anything else.

 

315

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And but he stayed in the trade

 

316

00:08:46,192 --> 00:08:49,028

already retired maybe five years or so,

 

317

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and he called me out of the blue

 

318

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Sunday.

 

319

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We're doing this. This is Tuesday.

 

320

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He called me three days ago

 

321

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and it was, Hey, wait,

 

322

00:08:58,471 --> 00:08:59,505

I'm just thinking about you, man,

 

323

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because there is

 

324

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I see the floods in Nashville

 

325

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and I was worried about

 

326

00:09:01,908 --> 00:09:04,744

to make sure you're okay down there. Wow.

 

327

00:09:04,744 --> 00:09:06,279

Yeah, that's pretty cool, man.

 

328

00:09:06,279 --> 00:09:06,779

You know?

 

329

00:09:06,779 --> 00:09:07,847

And then we just started

 

330

00:09:07,847 --> 00:09:09,015

talking about floors

 

331

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and how much the floor blows up

 

332

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when it was

 

333

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when with moisture

 

334

00:09:13,286 --> 00:09:14,487

and floods and the word,

 

335

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you know, that kind of stuff.

 

336

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And so, yeah, man, it is pretty cool.

 

337

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These relationships that

 

338

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we formed with the students that that

 

339

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that are lifelong

 

340

00:09:23,029 --> 00:09:23,763

a lot of students

 

341

00:09:23,763 --> 00:09:26,065

man I mean I got a lot of friends

 

342

00:09:26,065 --> 00:09:28,768

that I have because of the bonus schools

 

343

00:09:28,768 --> 00:09:32,638

but anyhow we're getting off track

 

344

00:09:32,705 --> 00:09:34,373

I think you know one thing

 

345

00:09:34,373 --> 00:09:36,375

let's let's talk about one thing.

 

346

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There was a pretty,

 

347

00:09:38,110 --> 00:09:42,014

pretty bad disaster that happened in

 

348

00:09:42,081 --> 00:09:43,516

down your neck of the woods, Right.

 

349

00:09:43,516 --> 00:09:45,318

Central Tennessee, somewhere in there.

 

350

00:09:45,318 --> 00:09:47,420

So I'm talking about. Yeah.

 

351

00:09:47,420 --> 00:09:48,087

You know,

 

352

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if there was any floor guys that

 

353

00:09:50,756 --> 00:09:52,325

that got jammed up or something

 

354

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and you need a little help, please

 

355

00:09:54,193 --> 00:09:58,297

feel free to reach out to us.

 

356

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You know, we've helped guys

 

357

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who have had fires.

 

358

00:10:00,499 --> 00:10:01,867

We've, you know,

 

359

00:10:01,867 --> 00:10:03,302

bonus helped a lot of people.

 

360

00:10:03,302 --> 00:10:06,072

So if there's somebody out there that,

 

361

00:10:06,138 --> 00:10:07,306

you know, you got jammed

 

362

00:10:07,306 --> 00:10:09,408

up because of the flood or anything,

 

363

00:10:09,408 --> 00:10:11,110

make sure you reach out to us.

 

364

00:10:11,110 --> 00:10:12,144

We'll see what we can do.

 

365

00:10:12,144 --> 00:10:14,046

See if we can help. Yeah.

 

366

00:10:14,046 --> 00:10:14,880

Yeah. Big call.

 

367

00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:19,518

So the need for

 

368

00:10:19,518 --> 00:10:21,087

for cutting in difficult areas

 

369

00:10:21,087 --> 00:10:23,089

and difficult situations,

 

370

00:10:23,089 --> 00:10:25,491

the need for learning how to use

 

371

00:10:25,491 --> 00:10:28,494

different applicators I think is huge.

 

372

00:10:28,527 --> 00:10:29,629

And I think more more

 

373

00:10:29,629 --> 00:10:30,696

now than ever before.

 

374

00:10:30,696 --> 00:10:31,797

Because,

 

375

00:10:31,797 --> 00:10:33,165

you know, you pointed out

 

376

00:10:33,165 --> 00:10:34,634

I disagreed with you,

 

377

00:10:34,634 --> 00:10:35,668

but you pointed out

 

378

00:10:35,668 --> 00:10:38,004

that customers are more difficult

 

379

00:10:38,004 --> 00:10:39,639

than they were in the past.

 

380

00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:40,740

I don't know if that's the case,

 

381

00:10:40,740 --> 00:10:42,942

but I do know that the Internet

 

382

00:10:42,942 --> 00:10:43,876

the Internet has made things

 

383

00:10:43,876 --> 00:10:44,677

a little bit more difficult

 

384

00:10:44,677 --> 00:10:45,244

for guys

 

385

00:10:45,244 --> 00:10:47,446

with customer expectations

 

386

00:10:47,446 --> 00:10:48,447

and everything.

 

387

00:10:48,447 --> 00:10:51,684

So using how to use a brush and I'll be

 

388

00:10:51,751 --> 00:10:52,985

I don't care what anybody says,

 

389

00:10:52,985 --> 00:10:53,686

there is a time and

 

390

00:10:53,686 --> 00:10:55,988

place for a brush on a job

 

391

00:10:56,088 --> 00:10:57,023

cut in pads.

 

392

00:10:57,023 --> 00:11:00,126

I thought a cut in pad was a cut in pad

 

393

00:11:00,159 --> 00:11:01,427

was a cutting pad

 

394

00:11:01,427 --> 00:11:02,928

until I seen a guy

 

395

00:11:02,928 --> 00:11:04,864

that he goes his whole floors

 

396

00:11:04,864 --> 00:11:05,998

with a cut in pad on a

 

397

00:11:05,998 --> 00:11:08,034

like a four foot pole

 

398

00:11:08,034 --> 00:11:09,402

that he screws into it.

 

399

00:11:09,402 --> 00:11:10,836

And that's his system.

 

400

00:11:10,836 --> 00:11:11,971

And while I think

 

401

00:11:11,971 --> 00:11:13,839

in a way I would do that,

 

402

00:11:13,839 --> 00:11:17,843

I've found a few instances when

 

403

00:11:17,910 --> 00:11:19,111

that was the way to go,

 

404

00:11:19,111 --> 00:11:20,513

when I was adding gym to a floor

 

405

00:11:20,513 --> 00:11:22,515

and a kitchen in a small area,

 

406

00:11:22,515 --> 00:11:24,617

that that came in handy for me.

 

407

00:11:24,617 --> 00:11:26,752

So

 

408

00:11:26,752 --> 00:11:27,687

I talk about

 

409

00:11:27,687 --> 00:11:28,320

rolling is one of

 

410

00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:29,321

the best things I ever learned

 

411

00:11:29,321 --> 00:11:30,256

about cutting floors.

 

412

00:11:30,256 --> 00:11:31,190

But no way

 

413

00:11:31,190 --> 00:11:33,292

would I roll every one of my jobs.

 

414

00:11:33,292 --> 00:11:35,494

I don't roll all my floors.

 

415

00:11:35,494 --> 00:11:37,830

I don't roll all my coats there.

 

416

00:11:37,830 --> 00:11:38,898

Sometimes when I know I'm

 

417

00:11:38,898 --> 00:11:40,066

going to roll the last coat.

 

418

00:11:40,066 --> 00:11:40,533

But I wouldn't

 

419

00:11:40,533 --> 00:11:42,868

think of rolling the first coat I had.

 

420

00:11:42,868 --> 00:11:44,537

Person don't belong and believe

 

421

00:11:44,537 --> 00:11:45,438

in rolling SEAL coats.

 

422

00:11:45,438 --> 00:11:46,806

That's my own personal opinion.

 

423

00:11:46,806 --> 00:11:48,574

People

 

424

00:11:48,574 --> 00:11:49,909

do it all the time and love it, man.

 

425

00:11:49,909 --> 00:11:50,609

No problem with that.

 

426

00:11:50,609 --> 00:11:53,546

But that's my feeling. But

 

427

00:11:53,612 --> 00:11:56,415

my point is

 

428

00:11:56,415 --> 00:11:58,250

knowing how to use different applicators

 

429

00:11:58,250 --> 00:12:00,586

depending on the layout of the floor

 

430

00:12:00,586 --> 00:12:02,688

is huge to me.

 

431

00:12:02,688 --> 00:12:08,561

And it also blue tape taping off areas

 

432

00:12:08,627 --> 00:12:09,562

I think is very important,

 

433

00:12:09,562 --> 00:12:11,063

especially to work by yourself

 

434

00:12:11,063 --> 00:12:12,331

or the conditions don't favor

 

435

00:12:12,331 --> 00:12:13,699

the job site.

 

436

00:12:13,699 --> 00:12:14,500

We talk about

 

437

00:12:14,500 --> 00:12:14,800

you know

 

438

00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,102

working around the sun

 

439

00:12:16,102 --> 00:12:17,236

that also you know

 

440

00:12:17,236 --> 00:12:18,804

with with the solar game

 

441

00:12:18,804 --> 00:12:20,539

making sure that you use clear

 

442

00:12:20,539 --> 00:12:21,807

plastic and everything, you know,

 

443

00:12:21,807 --> 00:12:23,375

those type of situations.

 

444

00:12:23,375 --> 00:12:24,243

I think is huge.

 

445

00:12:24,243 --> 00:12:29,048

And by the way, I pull the plastic tape,

 

446

00:12:29,115 --> 00:12:32,418

I pull the plastic off after I do my last

 

447

00:12:32,485 --> 00:12:33,986

vacuuming on a job,

 

448

00:12:33,986 --> 00:12:35,387

and then I'll vacuum one more time

 

449

00:12:35,387 --> 00:12:37,757

just in case anything

 

450

00:12:37,757 --> 00:12:40,726

fell off of that off the other this way.

 

451

00:12:40,893 --> 00:12:42,661

But I think those things can help

 

452

00:12:42,661 --> 00:12:46,832

you go a long way in and difficult job

 

453

00:12:46,832 --> 00:12:47,466

site settings.

 

454

00:12:47,466 --> 00:12:49,635

You know,

 

455

00:12:49,635 --> 00:12:52,738

I think another thing that can help is

 

456

00:12:52,838 --> 00:12:55,541

sometimes you really need to sit down

 

457

00:12:55,541 --> 00:12:59,879

and write out a plan, map out the job.

 

458

00:12:59,979 --> 00:13:01,247

Sometimes, you know,

 

459

00:13:01,247 --> 00:13:02,014

if it's a dining room,

 

460

00:13:02,014 --> 00:13:03,783

living room connected

 

461

00:13:03,783 --> 00:13:04,483

or kind of know

 

462

00:13:04,483 --> 00:13:05,384

where we're going to start

 

463

00:13:05,384 --> 00:13:07,186

and where we're going to end.

 

464

00:13:07,186 --> 00:13:09,388

But biomass trying to come

 

465

00:13:09,388 --> 00:13:11,323

help me on a job one day

 

466

00:13:11,323 --> 00:13:12,858

because it was a

 

467

00:13:12,858 --> 00:13:15,194

coding nightmare with the T-bar.

 

468

00:13:15,194 --> 00:13:17,930

It was probably nine rooms, four upstairs

 

469

00:13:17,930 --> 00:13:21,634

all into a center entrance hallway,

 

470

00:13:21,734 --> 00:13:23,936

flight of stairs, landing,

 

471

00:13:23,936 --> 00:13:25,971

you know, and then down stairs,

 

472

00:13:25,971 --> 00:13:26,605

all sorts,

 

473

00:13:26,605 --> 00:13:29,608

a three foot walls in between the rooms,

 

474

00:13:29,608 --> 00:13:30,876

you know.

 

475

00:13:30,876 --> 00:13:32,711

So when I walked in and looked at it,

 

476

00:13:32,711 --> 00:13:34,580

I immediately thought, okay,

 

477

00:13:34,580 --> 00:13:35,881

just like that crew did.

 

478

00:13:35,881 --> 00:13:38,350

When when you said in 13 seconds,

 

479

00:13:38,350 --> 00:13:39,885

we lost control of the job.

 

480

00:13:39,885 --> 00:13:40,953

Right.

 

481

00:13:40,953 --> 00:13:42,655

So as soon as I looked at the room, I go,

 

482

00:13:42,655 --> 00:13:44,156

okay, yeah, we should do this.

 

483

00:13:44,156 --> 00:13:46,759

We'll start here and here and here

 

484

00:13:46,759 --> 00:13:48,127

and go.

 

485

00:13:48,127 --> 00:13:50,629

And for some reason I stopped

 

486

00:13:50,629 --> 00:13:53,532

and of course I got a cup of coffee

 

487

00:13:53,532 --> 00:13:54,433

and I sat down

 

488

00:13:54,433 --> 00:13:58,437

and I really drew out a map, a plan.

 

489

00:13:58,537 --> 00:14:01,106

And as soon as I started drawing, it

 

490

00:14:01,106 --> 00:14:03,542

completely changed

 

491

00:14:03,542 --> 00:14:06,111

the way that we were going to do it.

 

492

00:14:06,178 --> 00:14:07,213

And what we ended up

 

493

00:14:07,213 --> 00:14:09,448

doing, because that was such

 

494

00:14:09,448 --> 00:14:12,051

a coding nightmare, was

 

495

00:14:12,051 --> 00:14:13,719

and Boehner calls it

 

496

00:14:13,719 --> 00:14:15,754

working off a dry line.

 

497

00:14:15,754 --> 00:14:19,258

I, I like to call it also

 

498

00:14:19,358 --> 00:14:22,361

build an escape routes.

 

499

00:14:22,428 --> 00:14:25,798

And we went around and just pulled

 

500

00:14:25,865 --> 00:14:29,235

escape routes in all the rooms.

 

501

00:14:29,301 --> 00:14:30,469

And by the time, you know,

 

502

00:14:30,469 --> 00:14:31,537

we started upstairs

 

503

00:14:31,537 --> 00:14:33,572

where we wanted to start

 

504

00:14:33,572 --> 00:14:36,108

built our escape routes out there,

 

505

00:14:36,108 --> 00:14:37,810

then we went downstairs,

 

506

00:14:37,810 --> 00:14:39,778

did all escape routes again.

 

507

00:14:39,778 --> 00:14:42,014

And by the time we were done downstairs,

 

508

00:14:42,014 --> 00:14:43,649

the upstairs was dry, was ready

 

509

00:14:43,649 --> 00:14:44,717

to go, was first coat.

 

510

00:14:44,717 --> 00:14:45,918

There would

 

511

00:14:45,918 --> 00:14:49,188

so we were, we were cranking the now

 

512

00:14:49,188 --> 00:14:50,556

bombs like, well you know,

 

513

00:14:50,556 --> 00:14:52,591

should we take this off like.

 

514

00:14:52,591 --> 00:14:54,593

No man. No I'm surgical.

 

515

00:14:54,593 --> 00:14:56,996

I can get right up to that will be

 

516

00:14:56,996 --> 00:14:59,031

will be fine.

 

517

00:14:59,098 --> 00:14:59,732

He was more

 

518

00:14:59,732 --> 00:15:02,735

comfortable with taping it off so

 

519

00:15:02,868 --> 00:15:04,003

I let him tape it off

 

520

00:15:04,003 --> 00:15:05,170

just to make sure

 

521

00:15:05,170 --> 00:15:06,839

that he was comfortable,

 

522

00:15:06,839 --> 00:15:08,040

you know, whatever he could,

 

523

00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:08,741

whatever we could do

 

524

00:15:08,741 --> 00:15:09,942

to get him comfortable,

 

525

00:15:09,942 --> 00:15:12,745

especially where it was his job.

 

526

00:15:12,745 --> 00:15:13,545

Okay.

 

527

00:15:13,545 --> 00:15:14,980

But

 

528

00:15:14,980 --> 00:15:17,216

I would have been like that guy

 

529

00:15:17,216 --> 00:15:18,918

that was with you

 

530

00:15:18,918 --> 00:15:20,653

in that first 13 seconds.

 

531

00:15:20,653 --> 00:15:22,254

If I didn't sit down

 

532

00:15:22,254 --> 00:15:23,722

and really draw it out,

 

533

00:15:23,722 --> 00:15:27,660

I would have made a huge mistake.

 

534

00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,763

But by really having a good plan

 

535

00:15:30,796 --> 00:15:32,498

and building those escape routes

 

536

00:15:32,498 --> 00:15:34,600

and taping those lines off

 

537

00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,135

and it came out great.

 

538

00:15:36,135 --> 00:15:37,169

Yeah.

 

539

00:15:37,169 --> 00:15:39,171

And now with the low,

 

540

00:15:39,171 --> 00:15:40,806

the low sheen finishes with

 

541

00:15:40,806 --> 00:15:42,741

was those braking points

 

542

00:15:42,741 --> 00:15:44,209

where we tape off breaking points.

 

543

00:15:44,209 --> 00:15:45,244

So we know,

 

544

00:15:45,244 --> 00:15:45,678

you know,

 

545

00:15:45,678 --> 00:15:46,245

we're going to come,

 

546

00:15:46,245 --> 00:15:47,746

we're going to go to the inside

 

547

00:15:47,746 --> 00:15:49,148

the doorjamb.

 

548

00:15:49,148 --> 00:15:51,483

But by the time to get back around to it,

 

549

00:15:51,483 --> 00:15:52,217

you don't know

 

550

00:15:52,217 --> 00:15:54,553

there's this last what I encoded

 

551

00:15:54,553 --> 00:15:55,821

or was it this board?

 

552

00:15:55,821 --> 00:15:57,656

So I'll put a coin

 

553

00:15:57,656 --> 00:16:00,192

on the first drive board sometimes.

 

554

00:16:00,192 --> 00:16:00,826

So I know that's the

 

555

00:16:00,826 --> 00:16:02,594

board that I got to coat.

 

556

00:16:02,661 --> 00:16:04,196

But yeah, you're right.

 

557

00:16:04,196 --> 00:16:05,164

Coming up with the game plan.

 

558

00:16:05,164 --> 00:16:05,998

What's interesting too,

 

559

00:16:05,998 --> 00:16:08,600

sometimes the way you coded on the first

 

560

00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:09,935

because there could be different ways

 

561

00:16:09,935 --> 00:16:10,402

you could go.

 

562

00:16:10,402 --> 00:16:12,338

The floor is being on the layout

 

563

00:16:12,338 --> 00:16:13,038

and sometimes

 

564

00:16:13,038 --> 00:16:14,006

I'll call it the first floor

 

565

00:16:14,006 --> 00:16:15,341

a certain way and I go, You know what?

 

566

00:16:15,341 --> 00:16:16,642

I didn't like that.

 

567

00:16:16,642 --> 00:16:17,676

Let's try it this way now.

 

568

00:16:17,676 --> 00:16:19,111

Let's do that route first

 

569

00:16:19,111 --> 00:16:20,145

and come out this way.

 

570

00:16:20,145 --> 00:16:20,846

I didn't like the way that

 

571

00:16:20,846 --> 00:16:22,348

that flowed last time.

 

572

00:16:22,348 --> 00:16:25,985

So you sometimes learn on the first code

 

573

00:16:25,985 --> 00:16:27,586

that there's things

 

574

00:16:27,586 --> 00:16:28,687

you need to change by the time

 

575

00:16:28,687 --> 00:16:30,789

you get to the second and third coach.

 

576

00:16:30,789 --> 00:16:32,458

And we do that sometimes from our coat

 

577

00:16:32,458 --> 00:16:34,360

and Jim's,

 

578

00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:35,561

if we're doing two coats,

 

579

00:16:35,561 --> 00:16:36,028

will go out

 

580

00:16:36,028 --> 00:16:36,929

one door on one

 

581

00:16:36,929 --> 00:16:39,098

and then go the opposite way

 

582

00:16:39,098 --> 00:16:40,432

on the other coat

 

583

00:16:40,432 --> 00:16:42,668

just to make sure that everything is good

 

584

00:16:42,668 --> 00:16:44,403

and you go to the same.

 

585

00:16:44,403 --> 00:16:48,073

Yeah. Yeah. Yep.

 

586

00:16:48,140 --> 00:16:49,541

Multi-Directional floors

 

587

00:16:49,541 --> 00:16:50,709

can be a challenge.

 

588

00:16:50,709 --> 00:16:51,877

There's a lot of Chevron floors

 

589

00:16:51,877 --> 00:16:55,647

out there and herringbone floors.

 

590

00:16:55,748 --> 00:17:00,252

I coded it actually in my own house,

 

591

00:17:00,252 --> 00:17:01,687

patterned floor,

 

592

00:17:01,687 --> 00:17:04,690

and I roll patterned floors.

 

593

00:17:04,790 --> 00:17:05,958

I had a guy with me

 

594

00:17:05,958 --> 00:17:08,927

English is also not his second.

 

595

00:17:08,927 --> 00:17:10,362

His first language.

 

596

00:17:10,362 --> 00:17:11,096

Very good.

 

597

00:17:11,096 --> 00:17:11,897

Very good.

 

598

00:17:11,897 --> 00:17:17,803

A floor man was a friend of mine and he.

 

599

00:17:17,836 --> 00:17:20,606

He bought it the second go as he goes.

 

600

00:17:20,606 --> 00:17:21,373

No, no, man.

 

601

00:17:21,373 --> 00:17:23,075

I t borrow to buy or not.

 

602

00:17:23,075 --> 00:17:23,776

Not a pattern.

 

603

00:17:23,776 --> 00:17:26,278

I don't, I don't want to is not. Okay.

 

604

00:17:26,278 --> 00:17:26,712

I got it.

 

605

00:17:26,712 --> 00:17:28,480

I went all right, I can't argue this guy.

 

606

00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:29,982

We got to put a third coat on anyhow

 

607

00:17:29,982 --> 00:17:31,450

and I'll probably roll that,

 

608

00:17:31,450 --> 00:17:34,019

but it look fine the way

 

609

00:17:34,019 --> 00:17:35,320

he put the finish on

 

610

00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,890

and the amount of product he put on.

 

611

00:17:37,890 --> 00:17:39,024

Everything flowed out nice

 

612

00:17:39,024 --> 00:17:40,325

and it was not an issue.

 

613

00:17:40,325 --> 00:17:41,693

So it just depends on

 

614

00:17:41,693 --> 00:17:43,128

there's a lot of different factors

 

615

00:17:43,128 --> 00:17:44,797

that go into this.

 

616

00:17:44,797 --> 00:17:46,231

Let's talk about, you know, what?

 

617

00:17:46,231 --> 00:17:47,866

Let's let's touch on

 

618

00:17:47,866 --> 00:17:51,503

a couple of those factors.

 

619

00:17:51,570 --> 00:17:54,373

Coverage rates,

 

620

00:17:54,373 --> 00:17:57,376

coverage rates are huge

 

621

00:17:57,509 --> 00:17:58,877

because you get down the right

 

622

00:17:58,877 --> 00:17:59,812

coverage rate,

 

623

00:17:59,812 --> 00:18:01,380

things are going to flow in level

 

624

00:18:01,380 --> 00:18:03,482

and on these patterned floors.

 

625

00:18:03,482 --> 00:18:05,350

That's what we're looking for.

 

626

00:18:05,350 --> 00:18:07,786

We're looking for a nice slow

 

627

00:18:07,786 --> 00:18:09,455

flow and level.

 

628

00:18:09,455 --> 00:18:11,123

We don't want this to flash off

 

629

00:18:11,123 --> 00:18:13,158

really quick, you know,

 

630

00:18:13,158 --> 00:18:16,128

So especially on bare wood

 

631

00:18:16,395 --> 00:18:16,862

and with

 

632

00:18:16,862 --> 00:18:18,864

I think you definitely want to be slick

 

633

00:18:18,864 --> 00:18:20,332

and things off with a multi disk

 

634

00:18:20,332 --> 00:18:21,867

or a power drive

 

635

00:18:21,867 --> 00:18:25,070

to a 120 hitting it with a Tampico brush.

 

636

00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:28,507

I mean, we just prove it day after day

 

637

00:18:28,607 --> 00:18:30,175

in our schools

 

638

00:18:30,175 --> 00:18:32,010

of how much better you get,

 

639

00:18:32,010 --> 00:18:34,046

especially on that first coat

 

640

00:18:34,046 --> 00:18:35,214

when you burnish that off

 

641

00:18:35,214 --> 00:18:37,950

with a 120 Tampico brush.

 

642

00:18:37,950 --> 00:18:39,251

It gives you some flow

 

643

00:18:39,251 --> 00:18:43,188

in level time that you know is absolute

 

644

00:18:43,222 --> 00:18:44,556

on these

 

645

00:18:44,556 --> 00:18:47,092

first first column on there would

 

646

00:18:47,092 --> 00:18:48,727

well I mean that's you know

 

647

00:18:48,727 --> 00:18:50,662

one of the things that that

 

648

00:18:50,662 --> 00:18:52,397

that can play guess on uncovering

 

649

00:18:52,397 --> 00:18:55,767

a job is streaks in the finish and

 

650

00:18:55,767 --> 00:18:56,935

the flow and leveling

 

651

00:18:56,935 --> 00:18:57,936

has so much to do with that

 

652

00:18:57,936 --> 00:18:59,905

as does the air flow.

 

653

00:18:59,905 --> 00:19:01,607

We talk about cutting off the airflow

 

654

00:19:01,607 --> 00:19:05,911

beforehand, which is huge on on jobs.

 

655

00:19:05,911 --> 00:19:07,746

Make sure you get plenty

 

656

00:19:07,746 --> 00:19:09,348

of time to work the product.

 

657

00:19:09,348 --> 00:19:10,415

Also guys Tennessee

 

658

00:19:10,415 --> 00:19:13,418

sometimes to to overwork the product

 

659

00:19:13,519 --> 00:19:14,686

you know and in

 

660

00:19:14,686 --> 00:19:16,989

a way play with it too much

 

661

00:19:17,055 --> 00:19:18,590

to me is put it down feather

 

662

00:19:18,590 --> 00:19:20,159

one time you need to and go on

 

663

00:19:20,159 --> 00:19:22,628

and leaving Go my gosh.

 

664

00:19:22,628 --> 00:19:24,296

Yeah.

 

665

00:19:24,296 --> 00:19:25,831

I call that when we're teaching

 

666

00:19:25,831 --> 00:19:27,299

that in the school

 

667

00:19:27,299 --> 00:19:29,835

feather at one time and keep moving.

 

668

00:19:29,835 --> 00:19:32,204

You don't have all the time in the world.

 

669

00:19:32,204 --> 00:19:34,039

But I also tell the students

 

670

00:19:34,039 --> 00:19:35,574

trust the process.

 

671

00:19:35,574 --> 00:19:38,310

Okay, we've shut down the airflow.

 

672

00:19:38,310 --> 00:19:40,479

We use a Tampico brush,

 

673

00:19:40,479 --> 00:19:43,282

we burnished this to 120.

 

674

00:19:43,282 --> 00:19:45,817

There is no hotspots on the floor.

 

675

00:19:45,817 --> 00:19:48,220

We've taken every precaution,

 

676

00:19:48,220 --> 00:19:50,989

feather at one time and move on.

 

677

00:19:50,989 --> 00:19:54,359

And that is the new that's my new saying

 

678

00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,528

man is trust the process,

 

679

00:19:56,528 --> 00:19:59,731

because if you don't trust your process,

 

680

00:19:59,831 --> 00:20:01,033

you're going to keep going back

 

681

00:20:01,033 --> 00:20:01,633

and feather in

 

682

00:20:01,633 --> 00:20:02,668

and feather in and feather

 

683

00:20:02,668 --> 00:20:03,902

and until

 

684

00:20:03,902 --> 00:20:05,504

you've just overworked the product

 

685

00:20:05,504 --> 00:20:07,639

and now you're just creating issues

 

686

00:20:07,639 --> 00:20:10,275

that didn't need to be there.

 

687

00:20:10,275 --> 00:20:12,544

Well, it's funny you say trust

 

688

00:20:12,544 --> 00:20:13,545

the process

 

689

00:20:13,545 --> 00:20:15,981

that goes to your sanding jobs, too.

 

690

00:20:15,981 --> 00:20:16,548

You know what I mean?

 

691

00:20:16,548 --> 00:20:18,183

Find out what to figure out you on

 

692

00:20:18,183 --> 00:20:20,819

your process is and stay on that.

 

693

00:20:20,819 --> 00:20:22,554

I see a lot of times, guys, do,

 

694

00:20:22,554 --> 00:20:23,488

you know, ten

 

695

00:20:23,488 --> 00:20:24,223

different steps

 

696

00:20:24,223 --> 00:20:25,057

when it could have been done

 

697

00:20:25,057 --> 00:20:25,791

in four steps

 

698

00:20:25,791 --> 00:20:27,426

when it comes to say anything.

 

699

00:20:27,426 --> 00:20:28,460

And a lot of times

 

700

00:20:28,460 --> 00:20:30,395

as because if you're not quite sure,

 

701

00:20:30,395 --> 00:20:32,764

you tend to throw the kitchen sink at it.

 

702

00:20:32,764 --> 00:20:35,534

Well, I'll take it to one 2180

 

703

00:20:35,534 --> 00:20:36,568

then I'm going to hit it with this

 

704

00:20:36,568 --> 00:20:37,970

and I'll do that the

 

705

00:20:37,970 --> 00:20:38,904

the steel plates

 

706

00:20:38,904 --> 00:20:40,138

and I won't use the steel plates

 

707

00:20:40,138 --> 00:20:41,807

and all these different things

 

708

00:20:41,807 --> 00:20:42,541

when you know,

 

709

00:20:42,541 --> 00:20:44,076

we need to get paid on this. Right.

 

710

00:20:44,076 --> 00:20:44,509

I mean, you know,

 

711

00:20:44,509 --> 00:20:45,978

this isn't a hobby you want to make,

 

712

00:20:45,978 --> 00:20:47,646

you want to be consistent.

 

713

00:20:47,646 --> 00:20:50,082

You want to be a certain process.

 

714

00:20:50,082 --> 00:20:50,949

You want to be able to trust

 

715

00:20:50,949 --> 00:20:51,617

that process.

 

716

00:20:51,617 --> 00:20:52,818

You're not getting tattoo marks.

 

717

00:20:52,818 --> 00:20:54,019

These different issues.

 

718

00:20:54,019 --> 00:20:55,921

Their perimeter is done properly.

 

719

00:20:55,921 --> 00:20:58,023

Once you figure out that process,

 

720

00:20:58,023 --> 00:20:59,391

you don't change that, right?

 

721

00:20:59,391 --> 00:21:01,126

We get it through from species

 

722

00:21:01,126 --> 00:21:01,693

to species.

 

723

00:21:01,693 --> 00:21:02,594

It might change whatever.

 

724

00:21:02,594 --> 00:21:04,696

But basically, you got your system down.

 

725

00:21:04,696 --> 00:21:05,864

And you're right.

 

726

00:21:05,864 --> 00:21:07,199

And you mentioned the Tampico

 

727

00:21:07,199 --> 00:21:07,633

brush brushwood.

 

728

00:21:07,633 --> 00:21:08,300

You know, I'm

 

729

00:21:08,300 --> 00:21:10,068

a massive fan of the Tampico Bridge.

 

730

00:21:10,068 --> 00:21:12,571

I think that is a game changer.

 

731

00:21:12,571 --> 00:21:13,438

So inexperience,

 

732

00:21:13,438 --> 00:21:14,072

if it takes us

 

733

00:21:14,072 --> 00:21:15,240

little time,

 

734

00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:16,708

there's certainly ways that you can

 

735

00:21:16,708 --> 00:21:18,443

when you talk to the homeowner,

 

736

00:21:18,443 --> 00:21:19,978

you can even gosh, that's even a

 

737

00:21:19,978 --> 00:21:21,313

you can show a picture of a floor.

 

738

00:21:21,313 --> 00:21:22,848

There's been half of the Tampico Brush.

 

739

00:21:22,848 --> 00:21:24,616

Have not.

 

740

00:21:24,683 --> 00:21:25,417

It's huge.

 

741

00:21:25,417 --> 00:21:26,718

I mean, it has a sheen on it.

 

742

00:21:26,718 --> 00:21:29,688

This is such a good job of that's my

 

743

00:21:29,855 --> 00:21:31,990

that's one of the

 

744

00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:33,325

cool things that I like to do in

 

745

00:21:33,325 --> 00:21:34,459

the class

 

746

00:21:34,459 --> 00:21:36,161

is to use the Tampico Brush,

 

747

00:21:36,161 --> 00:21:38,263

where we can step back

 

748

00:21:38,263 --> 00:21:40,899

and catch it in the glare of sunlight.

 

749

00:21:40,899 --> 00:21:41,199

Yeah.

 

750

00:21:41,199 --> 00:21:42,134

And yeah,

 

751

00:21:42,134 --> 00:21:42,834

you leave one

 

752

00:21:42,834 --> 00:21:44,636

section of the floor,

 

753

00:21:44,636 --> 00:21:47,339

Tampico and the other, not Tampico

 

754

00:21:47,339 --> 00:21:47,873

and the floor.

 

755

00:21:47,873 --> 00:21:49,408

That's Tampico.

 

756

00:21:49,408 --> 00:21:52,110

Looks like there's a CO to finish on it.

 

757

00:21:52,110 --> 00:21:54,079

The sheen level is that much if we,

 

758

00:21:54,079 --> 00:21:56,748

if we do another show about

 

759

00:21:56,748 --> 00:21:58,083

favorite products,

 

760

00:21:58,083 --> 00:21:58,917

that's going to be

 

761

00:21:58,917 --> 00:22:01,420

one of my new favorite products.

 

762

00:22:01,420 --> 00:22:02,988

I mean now that I've really been using it

 

763

00:22:02,988 --> 00:22:05,657

for the past four or five years.

 

764

00:22:05,657 --> 00:22:09,328

Wow, what an inexpensive way to

 

765

00:22:09,428 --> 00:22:10,495

just help with that

 

766

00:22:10,495 --> 00:22:12,464

flow and level in and,

 

767

00:22:12,464 --> 00:22:14,499

you know, much less grain race.

 

768

00:22:14,499 --> 00:22:15,667

Yeah.

 

769

00:22:15,667 --> 00:22:17,869

Also, Rob,

 

770

00:22:17,869 --> 00:22:20,072

I always had to bring up stains

 

771

00:22:20,072 --> 00:22:21,640

because, you know,

 

772

00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:22,741

one of the things that I preach

 

773

00:22:22,741 --> 00:22:25,377

a lot about is honoring the dry time.

 

774

00:22:25,377 --> 00:22:27,779

And I see some guys sometimes

 

775

00:22:27,779 --> 00:22:30,115

guys get on the stain so fast,

 

776

00:22:30,115 --> 00:22:30,682

you know what I mean?

 

777

00:22:30,682 --> 00:22:32,150

That yeah, I get it.

 

778

00:22:32,150 --> 00:22:33,985

The temptation that you got finished

 

779

00:22:33,985 --> 00:22:36,521

standing by, you know, by 3:00,

 

780

00:22:36,521 --> 00:22:37,189

if we just hang out

 

781

00:22:37,189 --> 00:22:39,424

another couple of hours, we put a coat on

 

782

00:22:39,424 --> 00:22:40,992

and there are times

 

783

00:22:40,992 --> 00:22:42,094

when that is, that is,

 

784

00:22:42,094 --> 00:22:43,428

you know, that's, that's,

 

785

00:22:43,428 --> 00:22:45,197

that's achievable.

 

786

00:22:45,197 --> 00:22:49,034

But man to me on dry time

 

787

00:22:49,034 --> 00:22:50,302

let them solvents gas out.

 

788

00:22:50,302 --> 00:22:50,469

Don't

 

789

00:22:50,469 --> 00:22:51,403

you want to add that

 

790

00:22:51,403 --> 00:22:53,438

to our list of commandments of

 

791

00:22:53,438 --> 00:22:55,440

I try to get that across the table

 

792

00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:56,208

and it hasn't been

 

793

00:22:56,208 --> 00:23:00,379

that yeah it's because

 

794

00:23:00,445 --> 00:23:03,048

and we preach that on everything

 

795

00:23:03,048 --> 00:23:04,316

yeah pop coats,

 

796

00:23:04,316 --> 00:23:07,652

collars, water popping stains Kraft oil.

 

797

00:23:07,753 --> 00:23:10,756

Yeah dry times just

 

798

00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:11,390

the canned.

 

799

00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:12,257

What's recommended on

 

800

00:23:12,257 --> 00:23:14,159

the can is when you have

 

801

00:23:14,159 --> 00:23:16,027

the absolutely perfect conditions.

 

802

00:23:16,027 --> 00:23:17,329

Yeah.

 

803

00:23:17,329 --> 00:23:19,698

And so you know as John the student said

 

804

00:23:19,698 --> 00:23:21,500

last week in Jersey,

 

805

00:23:21,500 --> 00:23:23,435

the humidity levels

 

806

00:23:23,435 --> 00:23:25,637

inside of the building,

 

807

00:23:25,637 --> 00:23:25,904

you know,

 

808

00:23:25,904 --> 00:23:27,105

there is just amazing heat

 

809

00:23:27,105 --> 00:23:28,807

and storms going through Jersey.

 

810

00:23:28,807 --> 00:23:30,942

Last week

 

811

00:23:30,942 --> 00:23:32,778

we had at one point

 

812

00:23:32,778 --> 00:23:36,148

a dew point inside of the building of 70.

 

813

00:23:36,248 --> 00:23:37,182

Wow.

 

814

00:23:37,182 --> 00:23:39,518

Yeah, it was it was kind of funny.

 

815

00:23:39,518 --> 00:23:41,987

I mean, talk about banding together

 

816

00:23:41,987 --> 00:23:42,821

as brothers, man.

 

817

00:23:42,821 --> 00:23:43,755

It was two or three

 

818

00:23:43,755 --> 00:23:45,824

shirts apiece each day.

 

819

00:23:45,824 --> 00:23:47,325

Crazy. Yeah, that's.

 

820

00:23:47,325 --> 00:23:50,328

And you could really see

 

821

00:23:50,462 --> 00:23:53,532

that those that heavy humidity,

 

822

00:23:53,532 --> 00:23:55,667

those humidity levels wreaked

 

823

00:23:55,667 --> 00:23:58,036

havoc on everything we were doing.

 

824

00:23:58,036 --> 00:23:59,938

Yeah. Stains Steelers.

 

825

00:23:59,938 --> 00:24:01,540

I mean it was,

 

826

00:24:01,540 --> 00:24:05,877

it was crazy but I was like, you know

 

827

00:24:05,944 --> 00:24:06,711

I like to turn

 

828

00:24:06,711 --> 00:24:07,913

things into lemonade

 

829

00:24:07,913 --> 00:24:10,515

and this was perfect time to do it.

 

830

00:24:10,515 --> 00:24:12,617

It wasn't perfect conditions,

 

831

00:24:12,617 --> 00:24:13,819

but the floors came out

 

832

00:24:13,819 --> 00:24:15,987

perfect because

 

833

00:24:15,987 --> 00:24:17,389

we were following all the rules.

 

834

00:24:17,389 --> 00:24:19,624

Man, You know, to a tee.

 

835

00:24:19,624 --> 00:24:22,561

Yeah.

 

836

00:24:22,561 --> 00:24:23,895

It was so much affected

 

837

00:24:23,895 --> 00:24:25,197

by by the conditions,

 

838

00:24:25,197 --> 00:24:26,465

the weather conditions in the house,

 

839

00:24:26,465 --> 00:24:27,199

the atmosphere

 

840

00:24:27,199 --> 00:24:28,467

and the humidity

 

841

00:24:28,467 --> 00:24:30,268

and also everything, the solar gain.

 

842

00:24:30,268 --> 00:24:32,037

And there's so much that goes into it.

 

843

00:24:32,037 --> 00:24:33,939

The temperature

 

844

00:24:33,939 --> 00:24:35,140

that,

 

845

00:24:35,140 --> 00:24:35,740

you know, you put on

 

846

00:24:35,740 --> 00:24:36,508

one side of the equation

 

847

00:24:36,508 --> 00:24:38,143

is that the machines have gotten better,

 

848

00:24:38,143 --> 00:24:39,511

the process has gotten better.

 

849

00:24:39,511 --> 00:24:42,180

The tools have gotten better.

 

850

00:24:42,180 --> 00:24:44,816

So for heaven's sakes, honor the dry time

 

851

00:24:44,816 --> 00:24:45,317

with the stain.

 

852

00:24:45,317 --> 00:24:46,051

And don't let that be

 

853

00:24:46,051 --> 00:24:47,986

the one that catches you

 

854

00:24:47,986 --> 00:24:49,187

a lot more stains out there.

 

855

00:24:49,187 --> 00:24:50,355

Even even the techniques

 

856

00:24:50,355 --> 00:24:51,490

of putting stains on now,

 

857

00:24:51,490 --> 00:24:53,358

I still think

 

858

00:24:53,358 --> 00:24:54,326

buffing and buffing off

 

859

00:24:54,326 --> 00:24:55,961

stains to me is is

 

860

00:24:55,961 --> 00:24:57,529

is one of the biggest improvements

 

861

00:24:57,529 --> 00:25:00,098

of my lifetime when dealing with stains.

 

862

00:25:00,098 --> 00:25:02,801

I know guys still don't let old guys

 

863

00:25:02,801 --> 00:25:04,402

buff on in buff off the seal

 

864

00:25:04,402 --> 00:25:05,704

rag on a rag off

 

865

00:25:05,704 --> 00:25:07,906

was no problem with that whatsoever.

 

866

00:25:07,906 --> 00:25:11,710

But I in both cases,

 

867

00:25:11,710 --> 00:25:12,811

sometimes I see where the

 

868

00:25:12,811 --> 00:25:13,645

there's a lot of pigment

 

869

00:25:13,645 --> 00:25:15,881

left on the floor afterwards.

 

870

00:25:15,881 --> 00:25:16,982

I'll do it.

 

871

00:25:16,982 --> 00:25:18,016

Eric was wiped off

 

872

00:25:18,016 --> 00:25:20,085

where I think that really

 

873

00:25:20,085 --> 00:25:20,585

there's still

 

874

00:25:20,585 --> 00:25:21,620

too much pigment on the floor

 

875

00:25:21,620 --> 00:25:22,988

so don't let that catch you

 

876

00:25:22,988 --> 00:25:27,292

and make sure you honor the dry time.

 

877

00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:28,426

You know,

 

878

00:25:28,426 --> 00:25:29,861

the other thing too, we're talking

 

879

00:25:29,861 --> 00:25:34,065

about coating difficult areas.

 

880

00:25:34,132 --> 00:25:35,600

You know, let's say you get a parquet

 

881

00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,603

or Chevron pattern and somebody wants

 

882

00:25:38,603 --> 00:25:41,606

a natural seal on that.

 

883

00:25:41,806 --> 00:25:43,642

Now there's some pigment in that, right?

 

884

00:25:43,642 --> 00:25:46,378

I've been telling guys,

 

885

00:25:46,378 --> 00:25:46,578

you know,

 

886

00:25:46,578 --> 00:25:49,147

think out of the box a little bit.

 

887

00:25:49,147 --> 00:25:52,150

We make a craft oil air that looks

 

888

00:25:52,250 --> 00:25:54,986

exactly like natural seal.

 

889

00:25:54,986 --> 00:25:56,488

And I know to buff on craft

 

890

00:25:56,488 --> 00:25:59,124

oil or apply craft oil on that

 

891

00:25:59,124 --> 00:26:00,959

Chevron or parquet,

 

892

00:26:00,959 --> 00:26:02,561

it's going to be a lot easier

 

893

00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:06,164

then trying to pull a T-bar across that

 

894

00:26:06,231 --> 00:26:09,301

or coating in very small sections

 

895

00:26:09,301 --> 00:26:10,735

a little at a time,

 

896

00:26:10,735 --> 00:26:13,204

just so we get a good blend.

 

897

00:26:13,204 --> 00:26:14,806

Same thing with those patterns.

 

898

00:26:14,806 --> 00:26:15,440

And you know,

 

899

00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,709

somebody says they want Nordic seal.

 

900

00:26:17,709 --> 00:26:19,010

I'll try buffing on white,

 

901

00:26:19,010 --> 00:26:20,478

see what the white stain looks like.

 

902

00:26:20,478 --> 00:26:22,347

If you need to add

 

903

00:26:22,347 --> 00:26:24,182

more white to a white stain,

 

904

00:26:24,182 --> 00:26:26,918

you can always put Nordic seal on top,

 

905

00:26:26,918 --> 00:26:29,387

but you're not working on bare wood

 

906

00:26:29,387 --> 00:26:30,589

at that point.

 

907

00:26:30,589 --> 00:26:31,289

There's a C,

 

908

00:26:31,289 --> 00:26:32,223

there's a coat down,

 

909

00:26:32,223 --> 00:26:33,592

there's a sealer down

 

910

00:26:33,592 --> 00:26:35,460

which is going to help

 

911

00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,462

give a little bit more flow and level.

 

912

00:26:37,462 --> 00:26:39,497

So, you know, sometimes

 

913

00:26:39,497 --> 00:26:41,566

think outside of the box here

 

914

00:26:41,566 --> 00:26:42,734

and try

 

915

00:26:42,734 --> 00:26:45,437

to make things easier on yourself.

 

916

00:26:45,437 --> 00:26:47,505

Yeah, You know, I mean the,

 

917

00:26:47,505 --> 00:26:51,476

the anxiety and thinking of

 

918

00:26:51,576 --> 00:26:54,446

pulling a natural seal with a tea bar

 

919

00:26:54,446 --> 00:26:56,748

over a Chevron or,

 

920

00:26:56,748 --> 00:26:57,082

you know,

 

921

00:26:57,082 --> 00:26:59,517

some kind of multi-directional flaw,

 

922

00:26:59,517 --> 00:26:59,818

to me,

 

923

00:26:59,818 --> 00:27:01,820

there is absolutely no anxiety

 

924

00:27:01,820 --> 00:27:04,723

in applying a coat of craft oil air.

 

925

00:27:04,723 --> 00:27:06,324

Yeah, that's a really good point.

 

926

00:27:06,324 --> 00:27:09,828

And then also bundling the finish.

 

927

00:27:09,828 --> 00:27:10,428

Well, wait a minute.

 

928

00:27:10,428 --> 00:27:11,830

What did you just say?

 

929

00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:13,632

Yeah, go and give yourself a bell.

 

930

00:27:13,632 --> 00:27:14,866

It's a really good point.

 

931

00:27:14,866 --> 00:27:16,835

I got to take two bells on that.

 

932

00:27:16,835 --> 00:27:18,303

Yeah, Nice word. Thank you.

 

933

00:27:18,303 --> 00:27:18,703

Yeah.

 

934

00:27:18,703 --> 00:27:22,674

Bundling the finish to Rob, I think is

 

935

00:27:22,674 --> 00:27:25,143

very important on. On big open rooms.

 

936

00:27:25,143 --> 00:27:27,345

You know,

 

937

00:27:27,345 --> 00:27:28,313

why take a chance

 

938

00:27:28,313 --> 00:27:29,814

that there may be a difference in Sheen?

 

939

00:27:29,814 --> 00:27:31,683

Whatever between one

 

940

00:27:31,683 --> 00:27:32,851

and one gown and the next

 

941

00:27:32,851 --> 00:27:34,486

just bundling both together

 

942

00:27:34,486 --> 00:27:36,021

and get that

 

943

00:27:36,021 --> 00:27:38,323

take that off the out of the equation.

 

944

00:27:38,323 --> 00:27:42,727

I also we see it all the time, but

 

945

00:27:42,827 --> 00:27:43,728

high end painters,

 

946

00:27:43,728 --> 00:27:45,497

they strain everything.

 

947

00:27:45,497 --> 00:27:46,464

It doesn't take

 

948

00:27:46,464 --> 00:27:47,899

maybe 10 seconds to strain

 

949

00:27:47,899 --> 00:27:51,870

your finish, put a piece of cheesecloth

 

950

00:27:51,870 --> 00:27:54,606

or like use a nylon

 

951

00:27:54,606 --> 00:27:56,007

across the top of that container

 

952

00:27:56,007 --> 00:27:58,009

pair of nylons. Got that?

 

953

00:27:58,009 --> 00:27:58,977

Put it on there.

 

954

00:27:58,977 --> 00:28:00,278

And you know, there's

 

955

00:28:00,278 --> 00:28:00,979

nothing coming out of there

 

956

00:28:00,979 --> 00:28:03,682

except a nice clean finish. So.

 

957

00:28:03,682 --> 00:28:04,449

All right.

 

958

00:28:04,449 --> 00:28:06,685

So I hope we answer some of the questions

 

959

00:28:06,685 --> 00:28:08,119

that the gentleman,

 

960

00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,054

when he asked about

 

961

00:28:09,054 --> 00:28:12,824

calling difficult jobs.

 

962

00:28:12,891 --> 00:28:15,894

Anything else to add to it, Rob?

 

963

00:28:16,127 --> 00:28:19,097

I think sometimes guys

 

964

00:28:19,264 --> 00:28:21,666

always want to be able to attack a floor

 

965

00:28:21,666 --> 00:28:23,368

with a broadsword

 

966

00:28:23,368 --> 00:28:24,436

or a big,

 

967

00:28:24,436 --> 00:28:25,870

you know, just

 

968

00:28:25,870 --> 00:28:26,571

always thinking

 

969

00:28:26,571 --> 00:28:27,138

that they can pull

 

970

00:28:27,138 --> 00:28:30,008

an 18 inch T-bar across everything or,

 

971

00:28:30,008 --> 00:28:32,644

you know, just roll it. And

 

972

00:28:32,744 --> 00:28:33,278

I think

 

973

00:28:33,278 --> 00:28:34,679

sometimes with these

 

974

00:28:34,679 --> 00:28:37,115

more difficult floors

 

975

00:28:37,115 --> 00:28:38,717

and I remember having this conversation

 

976

00:28:38,717 --> 00:28:39,918

with a guy and he's like, Yeah,

 

977

00:28:39,918 --> 00:28:43,655

I agree with you, but it's 3500 feet.

 

978

00:28:43,755 --> 00:28:46,024

And I was like, Well,

 

979

00:28:46,024 --> 00:28:46,458

you know,

 

980

00:28:46,458 --> 00:28:47,659

I hate to sound like a jerk,

 

981

00:28:47,659 --> 00:28:50,261

but you might have to attack it,

 

982

00:28:50,261 --> 00:28:53,264

you know, one row at a time here

 

983

00:28:53,264 --> 00:28:54,833

and just keep moving on.

 

984

00:28:54,833 --> 00:28:57,769

And yes, I understand it's 3500 feet.

 

985

00:28:57,769 --> 00:28:58,103

You know,

 

986

00:28:58,103 --> 00:28:59,471

maybe get another guy in there

 

987

00:28:59,471 --> 00:29:00,004

to help you.

 

988

00:29:00,004 --> 00:29:01,906

But I think sometimes

 

989

00:29:01,906 --> 00:29:04,676

guys aren't willing to attack things

 

990

00:29:04,676 --> 00:29:06,945

in a small type situation.

 

991

00:29:06,945 --> 00:29:08,546

And, you know,

 

992

00:29:08,546 --> 00:29:10,181

sometimes if you attack it small,

 

993

00:29:10,181 --> 00:29:12,117

it takes you a little longer.

 

994

00:29:12,117 --> 00:29:14,686

It's better than attacking it big

 

995

00:29:14,686 --> 00:29:16,554

and having to do it over.

 

996

00:29:16,554 --> 00:29:18,957

Yeah, You know,

 

997

00:29:18,957 --> 00:29:20,225

I'm big into bass

 

998

00:29:20,225 --> 00:29:21,326

fisherman and

 

999

00:29:21,326 --> 00:29:25,163

bass fishing bass fisherman and

 

1000

00:29:25,230 --> 00:29:27,932

and as a bass fisherman,

 

1001

00:29:28,032 --> 00:29:28,600

if I can

 

1002

00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,568

catch them on on top water,

 

1003

00:29:30,568 --> 00:29:31,669

I do it every day.

 

1004

00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:34,672

I love catching bass on top water, but

 

1005

00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:37,041

I know that that's not always the case,

 

1006

00:29:37,041 --> 00:29:37,809

you know?

 

1007

00:29:37,809 --> 00:29:38,576

So you can't just

 

1008

00:29:38,576 --> 00:29:39,677

because I like to go on top,

 

1009

00:29:39,677 --> 00:29:41,679

it isn't is going to work all the time.

 

1010

00:29:41,679 --> 00:29:43,982

And sometimes I got to go to a plastic,

 

1011

00:29:43,982 --> 00:29:45,683

so I got to do another technique.

 

1012

00:29:45,683 --> 00:29:47,485

And just because I like running a T-bar

 

1013

00:29:47,485 --> 00:29:48,319

all the time,

 

1014

00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:49,387

it doesn't make make it

 

1015

00:29:49,387 --> 00:29:51,456

the right applicator

 

1016

00:29:51,456 --> 00:29:53,358

for every environment situation

 

1017

00:29:53,358 --> 00:29:54,726

that I'm in.

 

1018

00:29:54,726 --> 00:29:56,094

That's why we talk about

 

1019

00:29:56,094 --> 00:29:56,961

going to the schools,

 

1020

00:29:56,961 --> 00:29:58,530

go to the Arctic Center,

 

1021

00:29:58,530 --> 00:29:58,930

get into

 

1022

00:29:58,930 --> 00:30:00,532

all of your territory manager,

 

1023

00:30:00,532 --> 00:30:02,867

practice on one of our panels.

 

1024

00:30:02,867 --> 00:30:04,135

learn how to roll.

 

1025

00:30:04,135 --> 00:30:04,636

Bring it down.

 

1026

00:30:04,636 --> 00:30:06,571

They're making mistakes on the panel.

 

1027

00:30:06,571 --> 00:30:07,438

Thank you.

 

1028

00:30:07,438 --> 00:30:08,907

Thank you for saying that.

 

1029

00:30:08,907 --> 00:30:10,775

I'm going to give you a bell

 

1030

00:30:10,842 --> 00:30:11,376

very much.

 

1031

00:30:11,376 --> 00:30:14,979

I told that to so many guys.

 

1032

00:30:15,046 --> 00:30:17,649

Use our place, our our training centers,

 

1033

00:30:17,649 --> 00:30:18,750

and people have heard me

 

1034

00:30:18,750 --> 00:30:20,752

say it a million times.

 

1035

00:30:20,752 --> 00:30:22,487

It's a batting cage.

 

1036

00:30:22,487 --> 00:30:23,755

It's a driving range.

 

1037

00:30:23,755 --> 00:30:25,623

It's just some place to go

 

1038

00:30:25,623 --> 00:30:27,826

practice, work on your swing.

 

1039

00:30:27,826 --> 00:30:30,562

But it's also the place to go when

 

1040

00:30:30,562 --> 00:30:32,897

that homeowner hands you a magazine

 

1041

00:30:32,897 --> 00:30:35,166

and says, I want this

 

1042

00:30:35,166 --> 00:30:36,401

and you have no idea

 

1043

00:30:36,401 --> 00:30:37,669

how you're going to do it.

 

1044

00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:38,703

Well, don't

 

1045

00:30:38,703 --> 00:30:41,573

don't do the experiments on her floor.

 

1046

00:30:41,573 --> 00:30:43,308

Come to our training center.

 

1047

00:30:43,308 --> 00:30:44,242

Call one of the guys

 

1048

00:30:44,242 --> 00:30:45,310

who runs a training center,

 

1049

00:30:45,310 --> 00:30:47,245

Call somebody in training.

 

1050

00:30:47,245 --> 00:30:48,947

They'll meet you there.

 

1051

00:30:48,947 --> 00:30:50,114

They'll give you all the products

 

1052

00:30:50,114 --> 00:30:52,250

you need. All the equipment is there.

 

1053

00:30:52,250 --> 00:30:54,819

There's multi different species

 

1054

00:30:54,819 --> 00:30:56,087

on these different panels.

 

1055

00:30:56,087 --> 00:30:59,090

Maple, oak, white oak, birch.

 

1056

00:30:59,157 --> 00:31:00,325

I mean,

 

1057

00:31:00,325 --> 00:31:02,060

if you can't figure it out there,

 

1058

00:31:02,060 --> 00:31:04,095

you can't figure it out anywhere.

 

1059

00:31:04,095 --> 00:31:06,998

Then you figure out your game plan.

 

1060

00:31:07,098 --> 00:31:08,433

Now, when you walk on the job,

 

1061

00:31:08,433 --> 00:31:09,667

you look like a rock star.

 

1062

00:31:09,667 --> 00:31:10,101

You look like

 

1063

00:31:10,101 --> 00:31:12,403

you've been doing this all day long.

 

1064

00:31:12,403 --> 00:31:13,638

And it doesn't necessarily

 

1065

00:31:13,638 --> 00:31:15,173

have to be during a school as well.

 

1066

00:31:15,173 --> 00:31:16,074

I mean, like Rob said,

 

1067

00:31:16,074 --> 00:31:17,642

get a hold of a territory manager

 

1068

00:31:17,642 --> 00:31:19,878

and just say, listen,

 

1069

00:31:19,878 --> 00:31:21,512

I'm trying to figure this out at rolling

 

1070

00:31:21,512 --> 00:31:22,814

or I got a color situation.

 

1071

00:31:22,814 --> 00:31:25,416

I'm trying to figure out, you know,

 

1072

00:31:25,416 --> 00:31:26,751

I'm sure they can meet you down there

 

1073

00:31:26,751 --> 00:31:27,986

in and get it done

 

1074

00:31:27,986 --> 00:31:29,587

and may have some insight along the way.

 

1075

00:31:29,587 --> 00:31:31,489

So all the schools,

 

1076

00:31:31,489 --> 00:31:32,857

the training centers are great

 

1077

00:31:32,857 --> 00:31:34,359

for the schools, don't get me wrong.

 

1078

00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:35,593

I mean,

 

1079

00:31:35,593 --> 00:31:36,494

I love having

 

1080

00:31:36,494 --> 00:31:37,629

all of our training centers.

 

1081

00:31:37,629 --> 00:31:38,196

I mean, we're

 

1082

00:31:38,196 --> 00:31:40,331

we're second to none with that.

 

1083

00:31:40,331 --> 00:31:41,232

But you know,

 

1084

00:31:41,232 --> 00:31:43,768

we only do a couple of schools a year

 

1085

00:31:43,768 --> 00:31:45,670

at these training centers.

 

1086

00:31:45,670 --> 00:31:47,171

These things are usually wide

 

1087

00:31:47,171 --> 00:31:49,007

open for guys to come in.

 

1088

00:31:49,007 --> 00:31:50,275

And, you know,

 

1089

00:31:50,275 --> 00:31:51,676

all I've heard about the power drive.

 

1090

00:31:51,676 --> 00:31:53,211

Well, don't buy it till you try it.

 

1091

00:31:53,211 --> 00:31:55,847

Come on and try it. Try a big machine.

 

1092

00:31:55,847 --> 00:31:57,582

Try buffing on a stain if you ever did,

 

1093

00:31:57,582 --> 00:31:59,717

you know, try a craft oil.

 

1094

00:31:59,717 --> 00:32:00,852

Learn there,

 

1095

00:32:00,852 --> 00:32:02,553

you know, that's why they're there.

 

1096

00:32:02,553 --> 00:32:03,154

Like I said,

 

1097

00:32:03,154 --> 00:32:03,988

we only do

 

1098

00:32:03,988 --> 00:32:06,557

two or three schools a year tops

 

1099

00:32:06,557 --> 00:32:07,625

at these training centers.

 

1100

00:32:07,625 --> 00:32:08,459

The rest of the time

 

1101

00:32:08,459 --> 00:32:09,560

they're just wide open for

 

1102

00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:10,962

you guys to

 

1103

00:32:10,962 --> 00:32:14,532

come in and practice and learn. And

 

1104

00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:15,767

absolutely, that's how

 

1105

00:32:15,767 --> 00:32:17,735

we want it to be used.

 

1106

00:32:17,735 --> 00:32:18,736

All right.

 

1107

00:32:18,736 --> 00:32:20,939

Okay, Rob, I appreciate it. Good.

 

1108

00:32:20,939 --> 00:32:21,606

Good to talk to you.

 

1109

00:32:21,606 --> 00:32:23,374

Good seeing you, as usual.

 

1110

00:32:23,374 --> 00:32:25,810

And this has been a pleasure, Wayne.

 

1111

00:32:25,810 --> 00:32:28,579

Always a pleasure. Thank you, sir.

 

1112

00:32:28,579 --> 00:32:29,547

This has been another episode

 

1113

00:32:29,547 --> 00:32:31,416

of On the Floor with Wayne and Rob Lee.

 

1114

00:32:31,416 --> 00:32:34,352

Stay tuned for another episode

 

1115

00:32:34,352 --> 00:32:34,652

of.