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Hello and
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welcome to another episode
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of On the Floor with Wayne and Rob.
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I'm Wayne
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Highlander, national sales
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manager for Bona Adhesives.
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I'm Rob Johnson from Bona Training.
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All right, Rob.
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Something that you talk about
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quite a bit.
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One of our listeners
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called in or wrote in
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and asked if we could do a show
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on coating difficult areas.
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And it occurred to me
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when I was thinking about that,
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that how important it is
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when two guys are working together,
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that they're in tune with each other.
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You know,
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the first
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the first time I experienced this
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and I went to work as a rep
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and I went on a job to help guys coat
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a floor.
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English wasn't their first language,
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and I don't speak any other language
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in English, so they're ahead of me.
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At least
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they understood English really well.
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But I got everybody organized.
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We we mixed up the finish
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and were ready to start voting the floor.
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I walked the job.
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I thought to myself, okay,
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it says, we're going to start here,
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and then we'll kind of work
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our way through here
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and then we'll bring in the hallway
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and blah, blah, blah.
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So I kind of like pointed out
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what I was going to do
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and everybody's looking at me.
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No one's really saying much.
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So I said, okay, let's go.
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So I had a I had a a gallon of finish.
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Somebody else had a gallon of Finnish.
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I had a T bar,
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somebody else had a tea bar.
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And they were like,
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two guys are cutting a bit.
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So pretty good, pretty decent sized job.
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So basically, I said, go.
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And I lost control of it in 13 seconds.
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I never seen anything
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like it for my life, man.
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Everybody went different directions,
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started going their own world,
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doing their own thing.
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And
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I was like,
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Holy smokes, man, I didn't even.
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That was it didn't.
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I wasn't even thinking about
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bringing that room
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into the equation right now.
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And every
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you guys coming down the hallway already
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and yeah,
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we're not going to have time
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to tie in everything.
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It's like
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I've never lost control of something
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so fast in my life.
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And it was at that time I realized
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there's a lot of ways to go to floor
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and, you know, when you get into
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a couple of guys going on a jobsite
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and one guy goes and does Coach's area.
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And a good example is,
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let's say a kitchen island.
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Like if you're let's say you're
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you're using
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Lamb's will advocate or something
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and you're putting on Pauly
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and you're cutting the floor
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and the guy has a brush,
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four inch brush and he's cutting in.
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But now he's got to cut in
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and around the island
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because, you know, you're busy
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doing something else.
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And his meal
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thickness is completely different
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than yours.
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Or if a guy is cutting in the borders
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on a water based finish
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and he's cutting in razor
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thin with his with his applicator
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and you're coming with a T-bar,
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you're cutting, you know,
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quite a bit of difference mil thickness,
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that marriage line
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where they come together
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or even
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a shade difference can be different
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because the thickness of the of the
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the product they're putting on the floor.
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So all those things have to
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be taken into consideration.
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You know, you're
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talking about
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you had to work with a crew
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that didn't understand you.
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I had the same same thing happen to me.
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I had this guy
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contractor, call me up and he said, Hey,
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can you train my guys
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on this record system?
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We got this chain of restaurants.
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And I was like, Yeah,
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you know, absolutely no.
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And he goes, Yeah, we just need you to,
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you know, train them on the first one.
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They can
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they know how to pull t bars
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and everything, but,
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you know,
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they want the whole RICO process.
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I said, yeah, no problem.
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Should be great.
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Nice job.
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Go in there.
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Everything's set.
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Everything's ready to go.
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But this guy couldn't make it.
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The guy you talked to,
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all of his guys,
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Spanish speaking guys that did not
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understand me.
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I didn't understand them.
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They didn't understand me.
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And I was kind of
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you know,
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I was kind of laughing to myself
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about like, how,
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you know,
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this is going to be an all night
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pantomime type thing, you know?
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So what I finally did was called the guy.
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He gave me the number of another guy
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and the whole night
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we had that guy on speakerphone.
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The whole whole night
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he was on speaker phone,
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translating everything.
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And it actually
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it went pretty good.
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I was really shocked how
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having that guy on the phone
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really helped felt bad for him.
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He had to sit there on the phone
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all night long, but
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I didn't know what else to do
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because it was going to be a long night
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if they couldn't understand
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a word I was saying
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and what
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you were just
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saying about meal thickness.
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You know,
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I know this is going to be
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about tight spots, difficult areas
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also.
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different products
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are going to be a little bit
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tougher sometimes.
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And things with the pigments in it.
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I am really big on teaching that in
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a school that every pass you make,
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you're switching your hands.
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So it's always the same exact pressure
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whether you're coming or going
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and going down or coming back.
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It's always the same pressure
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and if you don't switch your hands,
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you just kind of turn and walk backwards.
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Rather than walking forward
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with the T-bar you're you're
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pulling instead of dragging,
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you should always be dragging it.
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And I know everybody, you know,
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you might think,
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that's that's
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pulling and dragging the same thing,
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really?
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Not when you're dragging it behind you.
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You're really not putting any
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pressure at all.
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So when you make that turn,
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you switch those hands and
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you're dragging it again.
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Yeah, it makes sense
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When you
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when you were in talking about the guys,
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I couldn't understand you.
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It's amazing.
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We're talking about this industry
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being a brotherhood.
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I've been in that situation before.
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What we
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really just don't understand each other.
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We all know what has to get done.
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We have to go to floor,
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but we can't really communicate
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very well.
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But as you get into it
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and everybody starts realizing,
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okay, I said what he's doing,
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he knows what I'm doing.
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We find a way that
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we start working together
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at the end,
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even though you don't
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speak the same language, man, you're
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speaking the same language, right?
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Everybody gets it. Everybody knows.
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And then your expense,
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your high five each other,
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doing the job or whatever, or,
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you know,
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you get that look like, Yeah,
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we killed this as universal, man.
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Everybody understands that feeling.
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You know, it's funny
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you said that because I remember
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we probably finished up around,
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I don't know, three,
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4:00 in the morning, and
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we were all standing
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around the parking lot.
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You know, they were loaded up,
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everything was done.
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And it was pretty cool,
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you know, that we had accomplished
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that whole thing.
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We really didn't understand each other,
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But then
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we kicked the hell out of that floor.
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We did a great job.
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And you could see that
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everybody was pumped about it.
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You know,
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like like you said,
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you know,
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a little bit of a brotherhood
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form there that night.
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Yeah, no doubt about it.
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And usually
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and that's why it's funny at the schools
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we went Amy goes
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to boner school we feed everybody well
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and that's
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when you can see everybody
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kind of get together
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and break bread together.
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And you know that now the the, you know,
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12 guys or 15 guys,
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whoever that
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come from different parts of the country
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didn't know each other.
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All of a sudden, they're a family.
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You know what I mean?
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We are a squad man.
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That is
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that is one of the best parts
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of our schools.
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I don't want to get off track.
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I've said it a million times,
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but, you know, 12 individuals show up and
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a team walks out the door.
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and it just happened again
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last week in Jersey.
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A lot of them didn't want to leave.
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They were hanging out in the parking lot.
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They were talking to each other.
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They were exchanging numbers and cards.
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And, you know,
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they're going to work together
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on a couple of jobs.
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And I saw the same thing happen.
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And you see the same thing everywhere
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that, you know, like I said,
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they come as individuals
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and they leave as brothers.
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It's a pretty cool thing to say
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is as corny as that sounds.
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I know that, man.
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I just love
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seeing that at the end of a class.
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And it's not corny
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and I can tell you that we did it.
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I think you were you much better
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there at this class?
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Tim Murphy
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went to our class in Nashville.
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He's the older guys, sat
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in the back of the classroom, said, Hey,
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really don't need
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this is more for my guys
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and anything else.
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And but he stayed in the trade
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already retired maybe five years or so,
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and he called me out of the blue
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Sunday.
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We're doing this. This is Tuesday.
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He called me three days ago
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and it was, Hey, wait,
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I'm just thinking about you, man,
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because there is
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I see the floods in Nashville
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and I was worried about
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to make sure you're okay down there. Wow.
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Yeah, that's pretty cool, man.
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You know?
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And then we just started
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talking about floors
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and how much the floor blows up
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when it was
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when with moisture
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and floods and the word,
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you know, that kind of stuff.
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And so, yeah, man, it is pretty cool.
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These relationships that
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we formed with the students that that
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that are lifelong
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a lot of students
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man I mean I got a lot of friends
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that I have because of the bonus schools
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but anyhow we're getting off track
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I think you know one thing
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let's let's talk about one thing.
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There was a pretty,
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pretty bad disaster that happened in
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down your neck of the woods, Right.
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Central Tennessee, somewhere in there.
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So I'm talking about. Yeah.
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You know,
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if there was any floor guys that
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that got jammed up or something
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and you need a little help, please
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feel free to reach out to us.
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You know, we've helped guys
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who have had fires.
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We've, you know,
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bonus helped a lot of people.
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So if there's somebody out there that,
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you know, you got jammed
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up because of the flood or anything,
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make sure you reach out to us.
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We'll see what we can do.
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See if we can help. Yeah.
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Yeah. Big call.
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So the need for
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for cutting in difficult areas
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and difficult situations,
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the need for learning how to use
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different applicators I think is huge.
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And I think more more
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now than ever before.
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Because,
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you know, you pointed out
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I disagreed with you,
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but you pointed out
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that customers are more difficult
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than they were in the past.
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I don't know if that's the case,
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but I do know that the Internet
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the Internet has made things
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a little bit more difficult
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for guys
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with customer expectations
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and everything.
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So using how to use a brush and I'll be
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I don't care what anybody says,
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there is a time and
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place for a brush on a job
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cut in pads.
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I thought a cut in pad was a cut in pad
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was a cutting pad
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until I seen a guy
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that he goes his whole floors
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with a cut in pad on a
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like a four foot pole
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that he screws into it.
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And that's his system.
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And while I think
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in a way I would do that,
402
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I've found a few instances when
403
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that was the way to go,
404
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when I was adding gym to a floor
405
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and a kitchen in a small area,
406
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that that came in handy for me.
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So
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I talk about
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rolling is one of
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the best things I ever learned
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about cutting floors.
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But no way
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would I roll every one of my jobs.
414
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I don't roll all my floors.
415
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I don't roll all my coats there.
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Sometimes when I know I'm
417
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going to roll the last coat.
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But I wouldn't
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think of rolling the first coat I had.
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Person don't belong and believe
421
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in rolling SEAL coats.
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That's my own personal opinion.
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People
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do it all the time and love it, man.
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No problem with that.
426
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But that's my feeling. But
427
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my point is
428
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knowing how to use different applicators
429
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depending on the layout of the floor
430
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is huge to me.
431
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And it also blue tape taping off areas
432
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I think is very important,
433
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especially to work by yourself
434
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or the conditions don't favor
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the job site.
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We talk about
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you know
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working around the sun
439
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that also you know
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with with the solar game
441
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making sure that you use clear
442
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plastic and everything, you know,
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those type of situations.
444
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I think is huge.
445
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And by the way, I pull the plastic tape,
446
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I pull the plastic off after I do my last
447
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vacuuming on a job,
448
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and then I'll vacuum one more time
449
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just in case anything
450
00:12:37,757 --> 00:12:40,726
fell off of that off the other this way.
451
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But I think those things can help
452
00:12:42,661 --> 00:12:46,832
you go a long way in and difficult job
453
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site settings.
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You know,
455
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I think another thing that can help is
456
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sometimes you really need to sit down
457
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and write out a plan, map out the job.
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Sometimes, you know,
459
00:13:01,247 --> 00:13:02,014
if it's a dining room,
460
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living room connected
461
00:13:03,783 --> 00:13:04,483
or kind of know
462
00:13:04,483 --> 00:13:05,384
where we're going to start
463
00:13:05,384 --> 00:13:07,186
and where we're going to end.
464
00:13:07,186 --> 00:13:09,388
But biomass trying to come
465
00:13:09,388 --> 00:13:11,323
help me on a job one day
466
00:13:11,323 --> 00:13:12,858
because it was a
467
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coding nightmare with the T-bar.
468
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It was probably nine rooms, four upstairs
469
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all into a center entrance hallway,
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flight of stairs, landing,
471
00:13:23,936 --> 00:13:25,971
you know, and then down stairs,
472
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all sorts,
473
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a three foot walls in between the rooms,
474
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you know.
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So when I walked in and looked at it,
476
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I immediately thought, okay,
477
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just like that crew did.
478
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When when you said in 13 seconds,
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we lost control of the job.
480
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Right.
481
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So as soon as I looked at the room, I go,
482
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okay, yeah, we should do this.
483
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We'll start here and here and here
484
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and go.
485
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And for some reason I stopped
486
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and of course I got a cup of coffee
487
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and I sat down
488
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and I really drew out a map, a plan.
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And as soon as I started drawing, it
490
00:14:01,106 --> 00:14:03,542
completely changed
491
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the way that we were going to do it.
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And what we ended up
493
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doing, because that was such
494
00:14:09,448 --> 00:14:12,051
a coding nightmare, was
495
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and Boehner calls it
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working off a dry line.
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I, I like to call it also
498
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build an escape routes.
499
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And we went around and just pulled
500
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escape routes in all the rooms.
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And by the time, you know,
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we started upstairs
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where we wanted to start
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built our escape routes out there,
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then we went downstairs,
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did all escape routes again.
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And by the time we were done downstairs,
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the upstairs was dry, was ready
509
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to go, was first coat.
510
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There would
511
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so we were, we were cranking the now
512
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bombs like, well you know,
513
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should we take this off like.
514
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No man. No I'm surgical.
515
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I can get right up to that will be
516
00:14:56,996 --> 00:14:59,031
will be fine.
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He was more
518
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comfortable with taping it off so
519
00:15:02,868 --> 00:15:04,003
I let him tape it off
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just to make sure
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that he was comfortable,
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you know, whatever he could,
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whatever we could do
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to get him comfortable,
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especially where it was his job.
526
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Okay.
527
00:15:13,545 --> 00:15:14,980
But
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I would have been like that guy
529
00:15:17,216 --> 00:15:18,918
that was with you
530
00:15:18,918 --> 00:15:20,653
in that first 13 seconds.
531
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If I didn't sit down
532
00:15:22,254 --> 00:15:23,722
and really draw it out,
533
00:15:23,722 --> 00:15:27,660
I would have made a huge mistake.
534
00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,763
But by really having a good plan
535
00:15:30,796 --> 00:15:32,498
and building those escape routes
536
00:15:32,498 --> 00:15:34,600
and taping those lines off
537
00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,135
and it came out great.
538
00:15:36,135 --> 00:15:37,169
Yeah.
539
00:15:37,169 --> 00:15:39,171
And now with the low,
540
00:15:39,171 --> 00:15:40,806
the low sheen finishes with
541
00:15:40,806 --> 00:15:42,741
was those braking points
542
00:15:42,741 --> 00:15:44,209
where we tape off breaking points.
543
00:15:44,209 --> 00:15:45,244
So we know,
544
00:15:45,244 --> 00:15:45,678
you know,
545
00:15:45,678 --> 00:15:46,245
we're going to come,
546
00:15:46,245 --> 00:15:47,746
we're going to go to the inside
547
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the doorjamb.
548
00:15:49,148 --> 00:15:51,483
But by the time to get back around to it,
549
00:15:51,483 --> 00:15:52,217
you don't know
550
00:15:52,217 --> 00:15:54,553
there's this last what I encoded
551
00:15:54,553 --> 00:15:55,821
or was it this board?
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So I'll put a coin
553
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on the first drive board sometimes.
554
00:16:00,192 --> 00:16:00,826
So I know that's the
555
00:16:00,826 --> 00:16:02,594
board that I got to coat.
556
00:16:02,661 --> 00:16:04,196
But yeah, you're right.
557
00:16:04,196 --> 00:16:05,164
Coming up with the game plan.
558
00:16:05,164 --> 00:16:05,998
What's interesting too,
559
00:16:05,998 --> 00:16:08,600
sometimes the way you coded on the first
560
00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:09,935
because there could be different ways
561
00:16:09,935 --> 00:16:10,402
you could go.
562
00:16:10,402 --> 00:16:12,338
The floor is being on the layout
563
00:16:12,338 --> 00:16:13,038
and sometimes
564
00:16:13,038 --> 00:16:14,006
I'll call it the first floor
565
00:16:14,006 --> 00:16:15,341
a certain way and I go, You know what?
566
00:16:15,341 --> 00:16:16,642
I didn't like that.
567
00:16:16,642 --> 00:16:17,676
Let's try it this way now.
568
00:16:17,676 --> 00:16:19,111
Let's do that route first
569
00:16:19,111 --> 00:16:20,145
and come out this way.
570
00:16:20,145 --> 00:16:20,846
I didn't like the way that
571
00:16:20,846 --> 00:16:22,348
that flowed last time.
572
00:16:22,348 --> 00:16:25,985
So you sometimes learn on the first code
573
00:16:25,985 --> 00:16:27,586
that there's things
574
00:16:27,586 --> 00:16:28,687
you need to change by the time
575
00:16:28,687 --> 00:16:30,789
you get to the second and third coach.
576
00:16:30,789 --> 00:16:32,458
And we do that sometimes from our coat
577
00:16:32,458 --> 00:16:34,360
and Jim's,
578
00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:35,561
if we're doing two coats,
579
00:16:35,561 --> 00:16:36,028
will go out
580
00:16:36,028 --> 00:16:36,929
one door on one
581
00:16:36,929 --> 00:16:39,098
and then go the opposite way
582
00:16:39,098 --> 00:16:40,432
on the other coat
583
00:16:40,432 --> 00:16:42,668
just to make sure that everything is good
584
00:16:42,668 --> 00:16:44,403
and you go to the same.
585
00:16:44,403 --> 00:16:48,073
Yeah. Yeah. Yep.
586
00:16:48,140 --> 00:16:49,541
Multi-Directional floors
587
00:16:49,541 --> 00:16:50,709
can be a challenge.
588
00:16:50,709 --> 00:16:51,877
There's a lot of Chevron floors
589
00:16:51,877 --> 00:16:55,647
out there and herringbone floors.
590
00:16:55,748 --> 00:17:00,252
I coded it actually in my own house,
591
00:17:00,252 --> 00:17:01,687
patterned floor,
592
00:17:01,687 --> 00:17:04,690
and I roll patterned floors.
593
00:17:04,790 --> 00:17:05,958
I had a guy with me
594
00:17:05,958 --> 00:17:08,927
English is also not his second.
595
00:17:08,927 --> 00:17:10,362
His first language.
596
00:17:10,362 --> 00:17:11,096
Very good.
597
00:17:11,096 --> 00:17:11,897
Very good.
598
00:17:11,897 --> 00:17:17,803
A floor man was a friend of mine and he.
599
00:17:17,836 --> 00:17:20,606
He bought it the second go as he goes.
600
00:17:20,606 --> 00:17:21,373
No, no, man.
601
00:17:21,373 --> 00:17:23,075
I t borrow to buy or not.
602
00:17:23,075 --> 00:17:23,776
Not a pattern.
603
00:17:23,776 --> 00:17:26,278
I don't, I don't want to is not. Okay.
604
00:17:26,278 --> 00:17:26,712
I got it.
605
00:17:26,712 --> 00:17:28,480
I went all right, I can't argue this guy.
606
00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:29,982
We got to put a third coat on anyhow
607
00:17:29,982 --> 00:17:31,450
and I'll probably roll that,
608
00:17:31,450 --> 00:17:34,019
but it look fine the way
609
00:17:34,019 --> 00:17:35,320
he put the finish on
610
00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,890
and the amount of product he put on.
611
00:17:37,890 --> 00:17:39,024
Everything flowed out nice
612
00:17:39,024 --> 00:17:40,325
and it was not an issue.
613
00:17:40,325 --> 00:17:41,693
So it just depends on
614
00:17:41,693 --> 00:17:43,128
there's a lot of different factors
615
00:17:43,128 --> 00:17:44,797
that go into this.
616
00:17:44,797 --> 00:17:46,231
Let's talk about, you know, what?
617
00:17:46,231 --> 00:17:47,866
Let's let's touch on
618
00:17:47,866 --> 00:17:51,503
a couple of those factors.
619
00:17:51,570 --> 00:17:54,373
Coverage rates,
620
00:17:54,373 --> 00:17:57,376
coverage rates are huge
621
00:17:57,509 --> 00:17:58,877
because you get down the right
622
00:17:58,877 --> 00:17:59,812
coverage rate,
623
00:17:59,812 --> 00:18:01,380
things are going to flow in level
624
00:18:01,380 --> 00:18:03,482
and on these patterned floors.
625
00:18:03,482 --> 00:18:05,350
That's what we're looking for.
626
00:18:05,350 --> 00:18:07,786
We're looking for a nice slow
627
00:18:07,786 --> 00:18:09,455
flow and level.
628
00:18:09,455 --> 00:18:11,123
We don't want this to flash off
629
00:18:11,123 --> 00:18:13,158
really quick, you know,
630
00:18:13,158 --> 00:18:16,128
So especially on bare wood
631
00:18:16,395 --> 00:18:16,862
and with
632
00:18:16,862 --> 00:18:18,864
I think you definitely want to be slick
633
00:18:18,864 --> 00:18:20,332
and things off with a multi disk
634
00:18:20,332 --> 00:18:21,867
or a power drive
635
00:18:21,867 --> 00:18:25,070
to a 120 hitting it with a Tampico brush.
636
00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:28,507
I mean, we just prove it day after day
637
00:18:28,607 --> 00:18:30,175
in our schools
638
00:18:30,175 --> 00:18:32,010
of how much better you get,
639
00:18:32,010 --> 00:18:34,046
especially on that first coat
640
00:18:34,046 --> 00:18:35,214
when you burnish that off
641
00:18:35,214 --> 00:18:37,950
with a 120 Tampico brush.
642
00:18:37,950 --> 00:18:39,251
It gives you some flow
643
00:18:39,251 --> 00:18:43,188
in level time that you know is absolute
644
00:18:43,222 --> 00:18:44,556
on these
645
00:18:44,556 --> 00:18:47,092
first first column on there would
646
00:18:47,092 --> 00:18:48,727
well I mean that's you know
647
00:18:48,727 --> 00:18:50,662
one of the things that that
648
00:18:50,662 --> 00:18:52,397
that can play guess on uncovering
649
00:18:52,397 --> 00:18:55,767
a job is streaks in the finish and
650
00:18:55,767 --> 00:18:56,935
the flow and leveling
651
00:18:56,935 --> 00:18:57,936
has so much to do with that
652
00:18:57,936 --> 00:18:59,905
as does the air flow.
653
00:18:59,905 --> 00:19:01,607
We talk about cutting off the airflow
654
00:19:01,607 --> 00:19:05,911
beforehand, which is huge on on jobs.
655
00:19:05,911 --> 00:19:07,746
Make sure you get plenty
656
00:19:07,746 --> 00:19:09,348
of time to work the product.
657
00:19:09,348 --> 00:19:10,415
Also guys Tennessee
658
00:19:10,415 --> 00:19:13,418
sometimes to to overwork the product
659
00:19:13,519 --> 00:19:14,686
you know and in
660
00:19:14,686 --> 00:19:16,989
a way play with it too much
661
00:19:17,055 --> 00:19:18,590
to me is put it down feather
662
00:19:18,590 --> 00:19:20,159
one time you need to and go on
663
00:19:20,159 --> 00:19:22,628
and leaving Go my gosh.
664
00:19:22,628 --> 00:19:24,296
Yeah.
665
00:19:24,296 --> 00:19:25,831
I call that when we're teaching
666
00:19:25,831 --> 00:19:27,299
that in the school
667
00:19:27,299 --> 00:19:29,835
feather at one time and keep moving.
668
00:19:29,835 --> 00:19:32,204
You don't have all the time in the world.
669
00:19:32,204 --> 00:19:34,039
But I also tell the students
670
00:19:34,039 --> 00:19:35,574
trust the process.
671
00:19:35,574 --> 00:19:38,310
Okay, we've shut down the airflow.
672
00:19:38,310 --> 00:19:40,479
We use a Tampico brush,
673
00:19:40,479 --> 00:19:43,282
we burnished this to 120.
674
00:19:43,282 --> 00:19:45,817
There is no hotspots on the floor.
675
00:19:45,817 --> 00:19:48,220
We've taken every precaution,
676
00:19:48,220 --> 00:19:50,989
feather at one time and move on.
677
00:19:50,989 --> 00:19:54,359
And that is the new that's my new saying
678
00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,528
man is trust the process,
679
00:19:56,528 --> 00:19:59,731
because if you don't trust your process,
680
00:19:59,831 --> 00:20:01,033
you're going to keep going back
681
00:20:01,033 --> 00:20:01,633
and feather in
682
00:20:01,633 --> 00:20:02,668
and feather in and feather
683
00:20:02,668 --> 00:20:03,902
and until
684
00:20:03,902 --> 00:20:05,504
you've just overworked the product
685
00:20:05,504 --> 00:20:07,639
and now you're just creating issues
686
00:20:07,639 --> 00:20:10,275
that didn't need to be there.
687
00:20:10,275 --> 00:20:12,544
Well, it's funny you say trust
688
00:20:12,544 --> 00:20:13,545
the process
689
00:20:13,545 --> 00:20:15,981
that goes to your sanding jobs, too.
690
00:20:15,981 --> 00:20:16,548
You know what I mean?
691
00:20:16,548 --> 00:20:18,183
Find out what to figure out you on
692
00:20:18,183 --> 00:20:20,819
your process is and stay on that.
693
00:20:20,819 --> 00:20:22,554
I see a lot of times, guys, do,
694
00:20:22,554 --> 00:20:23,488
you know, ten
695
00:20:23,488 --> 00:20:24,223
different steps
696
00:20:24,223 --> 00:20:25,057
when it could have been done
697
00:20:25,057 --> 00:20:25,791
in four steps
698
00:20:25,791 --> 00:20:27,426
when it comes to say anything.
699
00:20:27,426 --> 00:20:28,460
And a lot of times
700
00:20:28,460 --> 00:20:30,395
as because if you're not quite sure,
701
00:20:30,395 --> 00:20:32,764
you tend to throw the kitchen sink at it.
702
00:20:32,764 --> 00:20:35,534
Well, I'll take it to one 2180
703
00:20:35,534 --> 00:20:36,568
then I'm going to hit it with this
704
00:20:36,568 --> 00:20:37,970
and I'll do that the
705
00:20:37,970 --> 00:20:38,904
the steel plates
706
00:20:38,904 --> 00:20:40,138
and I won't use the steel plates
707
00:20:40,138 --> 00:20:41,807
and all these different things
708
00:20:41,807 --> 00:20:42,541
when you know,
709
00:20:42,541 --> 00:20:44,076
we need to get paid on this. Right.
710
00:20:44,076 --> 00:20:44,509
I mean, you know,
711
00:20:44,509 --> 00:20:45,978
this isn't a hobby you want to make,
712
00:20:45,978 --> 00:20:47,646
you want to be consistent.
713
00:20:47,646 --> 00:20:50,082
You want to be a certain process.
714
00:20:50,082 --> 00:20:50,949
You want to be able to trust
715
00:20:50,949 --> 00:20:51,617
that process.
716
00:20:51,617 --> 00:20:52,818
You're not getting tattoo marks.
717
00:20:52,818 --> 00:20:54,019
These different issues.
718
00:20:54,019 --> 00:20:55,921
Their perimeter is done properly.
719
00:20:55,921 --> 00:20:58,023
Once you figure out that process,
720
00:20:58,023 --> 00:20:59,391
you don't change that, right?
721
00:20:59,391 --> 00:21:01,126
We get it through from species
722
00:21:01,126 --> 00:21:01,693
to species.
723
00:21:01,693 --> 00:21:02,594
It might change whatever.
724
00:21:02,594 --> 00:21:04,696
But basically, you got your system down.
725
00:21:04,696 --> 00:21:05,864
And you're right.
726
00:21:05,864 --> 00:21:07,199
And you mentioned the Tampico
727
00:21:07,199 --> 00:21:07,633
brush brushwood.
728
00:21:07,633 --> 00:21:08,300
You know, I'm
729
00:21:08,300 --> 00:21:10,068
a massive fan of the Tampico Bridge.
730
00:21:10,068 --> 00:21:12,571
I think that is a game changer.
731
00:21:12,571 --> 00:21:13,438
So inexperience,
732
00:21:13,438 --> 00:21:14,072
if it takes us
733
00:21:14,072 --> 00:21:15,240
little time,
734
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:16,708
there's certainly ways that you can
735
00:21:16,708 --> 00:21:18,443
when you talk to the homeowner,
736
00:21:18,443 --> 00:21:19,978
you can even gosh, that's even a
737
00:21:19,978 --> 00:21:21,313
you can show a picture of a floor.
738
00:21:21,313 --> 00:21:22,848
There's been half of the Tampico Brush.
739
00:21:22,848 --> 00:21:24,616
Have not.
740
00:21:24,683 --> 00:21:25,417
It's huge.
741
00:21:25,417 --> 00:21:26,718
I mean, it has a sheen on it.
742
00:21:26,718 --> 00:21:29,688
This is such a good job of that's my
743
00:21:29,855 --> 00:21:31,990
that's one of the
744
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:33,325
cool things that I like to do in
745
00:21:33,325 --> 00:21:34,459
the class
746
00:21:34,459 --> 00:21:36,161
is to use the Tampico Brush,
747
00:21:36,161 --> 00:21:38,263
where we can step back
748
00:21:38,263 --> 00:21:40,899
and catch it in the glare of sunlight.
749
00:21:40,899 --> 00:21:41,199
Yeah.
750
00:21:41,199 --> 00:21:42,134
And yeah,
751
00:21:42,134 --> 00:21:42,834
you leave one
752
00:21:42,834 --> 00:21:44,636
section of the floor,
753
00:21:44,636 --> 00:21:47,339
Tampico and the other, not Tampico
754
00:21:47,339 --> 00:21:47,873
and the floor.
755
00:21:47,873 --> 00:21:49,408
That's Tampico.
756
00:21:49,408 --> 00:21:52,110
Looks like there's a CO to finish on it.
757
00:21:52,110 --> 00:21:54,079
The sheen level is that much if we,
758
00:21:54,079 --> 00:21:56,748
if we do another show about
759
00:21:56,748 --> 00:21:58,083
favorite products,
760
00:21:58,083 --> 00:21:58,917
that's going to be
761
00:21:58,917 --> 00:22:01,420
one of my new favorite products.
762
00:22:01,420 --> 00:22:02,988
I mean now that I've really been using it
763
00:22:02,988 --> 00:22:05,657
for the past four or five years.
764
00:22:05,657 --> 00:22:09,328
Wow, what an inexpensive way to
765
00:22:09,428 --> 00:22:10,495
just help with that
766
00:22:10,495 --> 00:22:12,464
flow and level in and,
767
00:22:12,464 --> 00:22:14,499
you know, much less grain race.
768
00:22:14,499 --> 00:22:15,667
Yeah.
769
00:22:15,667 --> 00:22:17,869
Also, Rob,
770
00:22:17,869 --> 00:22:20,072
I always had to bring up stains
771
00:22:20,072 --> 00:22:21,640
because, you know,
772
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:22,741
one of the things that I preach
773
00:22:22,741 --> 00:22:25,377
a lot about is honoring the dry time.
774
00:22:25,377 --> 00:22:27,779
And I see some guys sometimes
775
00:22:27,779 --> 00:22:30,115
guys get on the stain so fast,
776
00:22:30,115 --> 00:22:30,682
you know what I mean?
777
00:22:30,682 --> 00:22:32,150
That yeah, I get it.
778
00:22:32,150 --> 00:22:33,985
The temptation that you got finished
779
00:22:33,985 --> 00:22:36,521
standing by, you know, by 3:00,
780
00:22:36,521 --> 00:22:37,189
if we just hang out
781
00:22:37,189 --> 00:22:39,424
another couple of hours, we put a coat on
782
00:22:39,424 --> 00:22:40,992
and there are times
783
00:22:40,992 --> 00:22:42,094
when that is, that is,
784
00:22:42,094 --> 00:22:43,428
you know, that's, that's,
785
00:22:43,428 --> 00:22:45,197
that's achievable.
786
00:22:45,197 --> 00:22:49,034
But man to me on dry time
787
00:22:49,034 --> 00:22:50,302
let them solvents gas out.
788
00:22:50,302 --> 00:22:50,469
Don't
789
00:22:50,469 --> 00:22:51,403
you want to add that
790
00:22:51,403 --> 00:22:53,438
to our list of commandments of
791
00:22:53,438 --> 00:22:55,440
I try to get that across the table
792
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:56,208
and it hasn't been
793
00:22:56,208 --> 00:23:00,379
that yeah it's because
794
00:23:00,445 --> 00:23:03,048
and we preach that on everything
795
00:23:03,048 --> 00:23:04,316
yeah pop coats,
796
00:23:04,316 --> 00:23:07,652
collars, water popping stains Kraft oil.
797
00:23:07,753 --> 00:23:10,756
Yeah dry times just
798
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:11,390
the canned.
799
00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:12,257
What's recommended on
800
00:23:12,257 --> 00:23:14,159
the can is when you have
801
00:23:14,159 --> 00:23:16,027
the absolutely perfect conditions.
802
00:23:16,027 --> 00:23:17,329
Yeah.
803
00:23:17,329 --> 00:23:19,698
And so you know as John the student said
804
00:23:19,698 --> 00:23:21,500
last week in Jersey,
805
00:23:21,500 --> 00:23:23,435
the humidity levels
806
00:23:23,435 --> 00:23:25,637
inside of the building,
807
00:23:25,637 --> 00:23:25,904
you know,
808
00:23:25,904 --> 00:23:27,105
there is just amazing heat
809
00:23:27,105 --> 00:23:28,807
and storms going through Jersey.
810
00:23:28,807 --> 00:23:30,942
Last week
811
00:23:30,942 --> 00:23:32,778
we had at one point
812
00:23:32,778 --> 00:23:36,148
a dew point inside of the building of 70.
813
00:23:36,248 --> 00:23:37,182
Wow.
814
00:23:37,182 --> 00:23:39,518
Yeah, it was it was kind of funny.
815
00:23:39,518 --> 00:23:41,987
I mean, talk about banding together
816
00:23:41,987 --> 00:23:42,821
as brothers, man.
817
00:23:42,821 --> 00:23:43,755
It was two or three
818
00:23:43,755 --> 00:23:45,824
shirts apiece each day.
819
00:23:45,824 --> 00:23:47,325
Crazy. Yeah, that's.
820
00:23:47,325 --> 00:23:50,328
And you could really see
821
00:23:50,462 --> 00:23:53,532
that those that heavy humidity,
822
00:23:53,532 --> 00:23:55,667
those humidity levels wreaked
823
00:23:55,667 --> 00:23:58,036
havoc on everything we were doing.
824
00:23:58,036 --> 00:23:59,938
Yeah. Stains Steelers.
825
00:23:59,938 --> 00:24:01,540
I mean it was,
826
00:24:01,540 --> 00:24:05,877
it was crazy but I was like, you know
827
00:24:05,944 --> 00:24:06,711
I like to turn
828
00:24:06,711 --> 00:24:07,913
things into lemonade
829
00:24:07,913 --> 00:24:10,515
and this was perfect time to do it.
830
00:24:10,515 --> 00:24:12,617
It wasn't perfect conditions,
831
00:24:12,617 --> 00:24:13,819
but the floors came out
832
00:24:13,819 --> 00:24:15,987
perfect because
833
00:24:15,987 --> 00:24:17,389
we were following all the rules.
834
00:24:17,389 --> 00:24:19,624
Man, You know, to a tee.
835
00:24:19,624 --> 00:24:22,561
Yeah.
836
00:24:22,561 --> 00:24:23,895
It was so much affected
837
00:24:23,895 --> 00:24:25,197
by by the conditions,
838
00:24:25,197 --> 00:24:26,465
the weather conditions in the house,
839
00:24:26,465 --> 00:24:27,199
the atmosphere
840
00:24:27,199 --> 00:24:28,467
and the humidity
841
00:24:28,467 --> 00:24:30,268
and also everything, the solar gain.
842
00:24:30,268 --> 00:24:32,037
And there's so much that goes into it.
843
00:24:32,037 --> 00:24:33,939
The temperature
844
00:24:33,939 --> 00:24:35,140
that,
845
00:24:35,140 --> 00:24:35,740
you know, you put on
846
00:24:35,740 --> 00:24:36,508
one side of the equation
847
00:24:36,508 --> 00:24:38,143
is that the machines have gotten better,
848
00:24:38,143 --> 00:24:39,511
the process has gotten better.
849
00:24:39,511 --> 00:24:42,180
The tools have gotten better.
850
00:24:42,180 --> 00:24:44,816
So for heaven's sakes, honor the dry time
851
00:24:44,816 --> 00:24:45,317
with the stain.
852
00:24:45,317 --> 00:24:46,051
And don't let that be
853
00:24:46,051 --> 00:24:47,986
the one that catches you
854
00:24:47,986 --> 00:24:49,187
a lot more stains out there.
855
00:24:49,187 --> 00:24:50,355
Even even the techniques
856
00:24:50,355 --> 00:24:51,490
of putting stains on now,
857
00:24:51,490 --> 00:24:53,358
I still think
858
00:24:53,358 --> 00:24:54,326
buffing and buffing off
859
00:24:54,326 --> 00:24:55,961
stains to me is is
860
00:24:55,961 --> 00:24:57,529
is one of the biggest improvements
861
00:24:57,529 --> 00:25:00,098
of my lifetime when dealing with stains.
862
00:25:00,098 --> 00:25:02,801
I know guys still don't let old guys
863
00:25:02,801 --> 00:25:04,402
buff on in buff off the seal
864
00:25:04,402 --> 00:25:05,704
rag on a rag off
865
00:25:05,704 --> 00:25:07,906
was no problem with that whatsoever.
866
00:25:07,906 --> 00:25:11,710
But I in both cases,
867
00:25:11,710 --> 00:25:12,811
sometimes I see where the
868
00:25:12,811 --> 00:25:13,645
there's a lot of pigment
869
00:25:13,645 --> 00:25:15,881
left on the floor afterwards.
870
00:25:15,881 --> 00:25:16,982
I'll do it.
871
00:25:16,982 --> 00:25:18,016
Eric was wiped off
872
00:25:18,016 --> 00:25:20,085
where I think that really
873
00:25:20,085 --> 00:25:20,585
there's still
874
00:25:20,585 --> 00:25:21,620
too much pigment on the floor
875
00:25:21,620 --> 00:25:22,988
so don't let that catch you
876
00:25:22,988 --> 00:25:27,292
and make sure you honor the dry time.
877
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:28,426
You know,
878
00:25:28,426 --> 00:25:29,861
the other thing too, we're talking
879
00:25:29,861 --> 00:25:34,065
about coating difficult areas.
880
00:25:34,132 --> 00:25:35,600
You know, let's say you get a parquet
881
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,603
or Chevron pattern and somebody wants
882
00:25:38,603 --> 00:25:41,606
a natural seal on that.
883
00:25:41,806 --> 00:25:43,642
Now there's some pigment in that, right?
884
00:25:43,642 --> 00:25:46,378
I've been telling guys,
885
00:25:46,378 --> 00:25:46,578
you know,
886
00:25:46,578 --> 00:25:49,147
think out of the box a little bit.
887
00:25:49,147 --> 00:25:52,150
We make a craft oil air that looks
888
00:25:52,250 --> 00:25:54,986
exactly like natural seal.
889
00:25:54,986 --> 00:25:56,488
And I know to buff on craft
890
00:25:56,488 --> 00:25:59,124
oil or apply craft oil on that
891
00:25:59,124 --> 00:26:00,959
Chevron or parquet,
892
00:26:00,959 --> 00:26:02,561
it's going to be a lot easier
893
00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:06,164
then trying to pull a T-bar across that
894
00:26:06,231 --> 00:26:09,301
or coating in very small sections
895
00:26:09,301 --> 00:26:10,735
a little at a time,
896
00:26:10,735 --> 00:26:13,204
just so we get a good blend.
897
00:26:13,204 --> 00:26:14,806
Same thing with those patterns.
898
00:26:14,806 --> 00:26:15,440
And you know,
899
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,709
somebody says they want Nordic seal.
900
00:26:17,709 --> 00:26:19,010
I'll try buffing on white,
901
00:26:19,010 --> 00:26:20,478
see what the white stain looks like.
902
00:26:20,478 --> 00:26:22,347
If you need to add
903
00:26:22,347 --> 00:26:24,182
more white to a white stain,
904
00:26:24,182 --> 00:26:26,918
you can always put Nordic seal on top,
905
00:26:26,918 --> 00:26:29,387
but you're not working on bare wood
906
00:26:29,387 --> 00:26:30,589
at that point.
907
00:26:30,589 --> 00:26:31,289
There's a C,
908
00:26:31,289 --> 00:26:32,223
there's a coat down,
909
00:26:32,223 --> 00:26:33,592
there's a sealer down
910
00:26:33,592 --> 00:26:35,460
which is going to help
911
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,462
give a little bit more flow and level.
912
00:26:37,462 --> 00:26:39,497
So, you know, sometimes
913
00:26:39,497 --> 00:26:41,566
think outside of the box here
914
00:26:41,566 --> 00:26:42,734
and try
915
00:26:42,734 --> 00:26:45,437
to make things easier on yourself.
916
00:26:45,437 --> 00:26:47,505
Yeah, You know, I mean the,
917
00:26:47,505 --> 00:26:51,476
the anxiety and thinking of
918
00:26:51,576 --> 00:26:54,446
pulling a natural seal with a tea bar
919
00:26:54,446 --> 00:26:56,748
over a Chevron or,
920
00:26:56,748 --> 00:26:57,082
you know,
921
00:26:57,082 --> 00:26:59,517
some kind of multi-directional flaw,
922
00:26:59,517 --> 00:26:59,818
to me,
923
00:26:59,818 --> 00:27:01,820
there is absolutely no anxiety
924
00:27:01,820 --> 00:27:04,723
in applying a coat of craft oil air.
925
00:27:04,723 --> 00:27:06,324
Yeah, that's a really good point.
926
00:27:06,324 --> 00:27:09,828
And then also bundling the finish.
927
00:27:09,828 --> 00:27:10,428
Well, wait a minute.
928
00:27:10,428 --> 00:27:11,830
What did you just say?
929
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:13,632
Yeah, go and give yourself a bell.
930
00:27:13,632 --> 00:27:14,866
It's a really good point.
931
00:27:14,866 --> 00:27:16,835
I got to take two bells on that.
932
00:27:16,835 --> 00:27:18,303
Yeah, Nice word. Thank you.
933
00:27:18,303 --> 00:27:18,703
Yeah.
934
00:27:18,703 --> 00:27:22,674
Bundling the finish to Rob, I think is
935
00:27:22,674 --> 00:27:25,143
very important on. On big open rooms.
936
00:27:25,143 --> 00:27:27,345
You know,
937
00:27:27,345 --> 00:27:28,313
why take a chance
938
00:27:28,313 --> 00:27:29,814
that there may be a difference in Sheen?
939
00:27:29,814 --> 00:27:31,683
Whatever between one
940
00:27:31,683 --> 00:27:32,851
and one gown and the next
941
00:27:32,851 --> 00:27:34,486
just bundling both together
942
00:27:34,486 --> 00:27:36,021
and get that
943
00:27:36,021 --> 00:27:38,323
take that off the out of the equation.
944
00:27:38,323 --> 00:27:42,727
I also we see it all the time, but
945
00:27:42,827 --> 00:27:43,728
high end painters,
946
00:27:43,728 --> 00:27:45,497
they strain everything.
947
00:27:45,497 --> 00:27:46,464
It doesn't take
948
00:27:46,464 --> 00:27:47,899
maybe 10 seconds to strain
949
00:27:47,899 --> 00:27:51,870
your finish, put a piece of cheesecloth
950
00:27:51,870 --> 00:27:54,606
or like use a nylon
951
00:27:54,606 --> 00:27:56,007
across the top of that container
952
00:27:56,007 --> 00:27:58,009
pair of nylons. Got that?
953
00:27:58,009 --> 00:27:58,977
Put it on there.
954
00:27:58,977 --> 00:28:00,278
And you know, there's
955
00:28:00,278 --> 00:28:00,979
nothing coming out of there
956
00:28:00,979 --> 00:28:03,682
except a nice clean finish. So.
957
00:28:03,682 --> 00:28:04,449
All right.
958
00:28:04,449 --> 00:28:06,685
So I hope we answer some of the questions
959
00:28:06,685 --> 00:28:08,119
that the gentleman,
960
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,054
when he asked about
961
00:28:09,054 --> 00:28:12,824
calling difficult jobs.
962
00:28:12,891 --> 00:28:15,894
Anything else to add to it, Rob?
963
00:28:16,127 --> 00:28:19,097
I think sometimes guys
964
00:28:19,264 --> 00:28:21,666
always want to be able to attack a floor
965
00:28:21,666 --> 00:28:23,368
with a broadsword
966
00:28:23,368 --> 00:28:24,436
or a big,
967
00:28:24,436 --> 00:28:25,870
you know, just
968
00:28:25,870 --> 00:28:26,571
always thinking
969
00:28:26,571 --> 00:28:27,138
that they can pull
970
00:28:27,138 --> 00:28:30,008
an 18 inch T-bar across everything or,
971
00:28:30,008 --> 00:28:32,644
you know, just roll it. And
972
00:28:32,744 --> 00:28:33,278
I think
973
00:28:33,278 --> 00:28:34,679
sometimes with these
974
00:28:34,679 --> 00:28:37,115
more difficult floors
975
00:28:37,115 --> 00:28:38,717
and I remember having this conversation
976
00:28:38,717 --> 00:28:39,918
with a guy and he's like, Yeah,
977
00:28:39,918 --> 00:28:43,655
I agree with you, but it's 3500 feet.
978
00:28:43,755 --> 00:28:46,024
And I was like, Well,
979
00:28:46,024 --> 00:28:46,458
you know,
980
00:28:46,458 --> 00:28:47,659
I hate to sound like a jerk,
981
00:28:47,659 --> 00:28:50,261
but you might have to attack it,
982
00:28:50,261 --> 00:28:53,264
you know, one row at a time here
983
00:28:53,264 --> 00:28:54,833
and just keep moving on.
984
00:28:54,833 --> 00:28:57,769
And yes, I understand it's 3500 feet.
985
00:28:57,769 --> 00:28:58,103
You know,
986
00:28:58,103 --> 00:28:59,471
maybe get another guy in there
987
00:28:59,471 --> 00:29:00,004
to help you.
988
00:29:00,004 --> 00:29:01,906
But I think sometimes
989
00:29:01,906 --> 00:29:04,676
guys aren't willing to attack things
990
00:29:04,676 --> 00:29:06,945
in a small type situation.
991
00:29:06,945 --> 00:29:08,546
And, you know,
992
00:29:08,546 --> 00:29:10,181
sometimes if you attack it small,
993
00:29:10,181 --> 00:29:12,117
it takes you a little longer.
994
00:29:12,117 --> 00:29:14,686
It's better than attacking it big
995
00:29:14,686 --> 00:29:16,554
and having to do it over.
996
00:29:16,554 --> 00:29:18,957
Yeah, You know,
997
00:29:18,957 --> 00:29:20,225
I'm big into bass
998
00:29:20,225 --> 00:29:21,326
fisherman and
999
00:29:21,326 --> 00:29:25,163
bass fishing bass fisherman and
1000
00:29:25,230 --> 00:29:27,932
and as a bass fisherman,
1001
00:29:28,032 --> 00:29:28,600
if I can
1002
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,568
catch them on on top water,
1003
00:29:30,568 --> 00:29:31,669
I do it every day.
1004
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:34,672
I love catching bass on top water, but
1005
00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:37,041
I know that that's not always the case,
1006
00:29:37,041 --> 00:29:37,809
you know?
1007
00:29:37,809 --> 00:29:38,576
So you can't just
1008
00:29:38,576 --> 00:29:39,677
because I like to go on top,
1009
00:29:39,677 --> 00:29:41,679
it isn't is going to work all the time.
1010
00:29:41,679 --> 00:29:43,982
And sometimes I got to go to a plastic,
1011
00:29:43,982 --> 00:29:45,683
so I got to do another technique.
1012
00:29:45,683 --> 00:29:47,485
And just because I like running a T-bar
1013
00:29:47,485 --> 00:29:48,319
all the time,
1014
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:49,387
it doesn't make make it
1015
00:29:49,387 --> 00:29:51,456
the right applicator
1016
00:29:51,456 --> 00:29:53,358
for every environment situation
1017
00:29:53,358 --> 00:29:54,726
that I'm in.
1018
00:29:54,726 --> 00:29:56,094
That's why we talk about
1019
00:29:56,094 --> 00:29:56,961
going to the schools,
1020
00:29:56,961 --> 00:29:58,530
go to the Arctic Center,
1021
00:29:58,530 --> 00:29:58,930
get into
1022
00:29:58,930 --> 00:30:00,532
all of your territory manager,
1023
00:30:00,532 --> 00:30:02,867
practice on one of our panels.
1024
00:30:02,867 --> 00:30:04,135
learn how to roll.
1025
00:30:04,135 --> 00:30:04,636
Bring it down.
1026
00:30:04,636 --> 00:30:06,571
They're making mistakes on the panel.
1027
00:30:06,571 --> 00:30:07,438
Thank you.
1028
00:30:07,438 --> 00:30:08,907
Thank you for saying that.
1029
00:30:08,907 --> 00:30:10,775
I'm going to give you a bell
1030
00:30:10,842 --> 00:30:11,376
very much.
1031
00:30:11,376 --> 00:30:14,979
I told that to so many guys.
1032
00:30:15,046 --> 00:30:17,649
Use our place, our our training centers,
1033
00:30:17,649 --> 00:30:18,750
and people have heard me
1034
00:30:18,750 --> 00:30:20,752
say it a million times.
1035
00:30:20,752 --> 00:30:22,487
It's a batting cage.
1036
00:30:22,487 --> 00:30:23,755
It's a driving range.
1037
00:30:23,755 --> 00:30:25,623
It's just some place to go
1038
00:30:25,623 --> 00:30:27,826
practice, work on your swing.
1039
00:30:27,826 --> 00:30:30,562
But it's also the place to go when
1040
00:30:30,562 --> 00:30:32,897
that homeowner hands you a magazine
1041
00:30:32,897 --> 00:30:35,166
and says, I want this
1042
00:30:35,166 --> 00:30:36,401
and you have no idea
1043
00:30:36,401 --> 00:30:37,669
how you're going to do it.
1044
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:38,703
Well, don't
1045
00:30:38,703 --> 00:30:41,573
don't do the experiments on her floor.
1046
00:30:41,573 --> 00:30:43,308
Come to our training center.
1047
00:30:43,308 --> 00:30:44,242
Call one of the guys
1048
00:30:44,242 --> 00:30:45,310
who runs a training center,
1049
00:30:45,310 --> 00:30:47,245
Call somebody in training.
1050
00:30:47,245 --> 00:30:48,947
They'll meet you there.
1051
00:30:48,947 --> 00:30:50,114
They'll give you all the products
1052
00:30:50,114 --> 00:30:52,250
you need. All the equipment is there.
1053
00:30:52,250 --> 00:30:54,819
There's multi different species
1054
00:30:54,819 --> 00:30:56,087
on these different panels.
1055
00:30:56,087 --> 00:30:59,090
Maple, oak, white oak, birch.
1056
00:30:59,157 --> 00:31:00,325
I mean,
1057
00:31:00,325 --> 00:31:02,060
if you can't figure it out there,
1058
00:31:02,060 --> 00:31:04,095
you can't figure it out anywhere.
1059
00:31:04,095 --> 00:31:06,998
Then you figure out your game plan.
1060
00:31:07,098 --> 00:31:08,433
Now, when you walk on the job,
1061
00:31:08,433 --> 00:31:09,667
you look like a rock star.
1062
00:31:09,667 --> 00:31:10,101
You look like
1063
00:31:10,101 --> 00:31:12,403
you've been doing this all day long.
1064
00:31:12,403 --> 00:31:13,638
And it doesn't necessarily
1065
00:31:13,638 --> 00:31:15,173
have to be during a school as well.
1066
00:31:15,173 --> 00:31:16,074
I mean, like Rob said,
1067
00:31:16,074 --> 00:31:17,642
get a hold of a territory manager
1068
00:31:17,642 --> 00:31:19,878
and just say, listen,
1069
00:31:19,878 --> 00:31:21,512
I'm trying to figure this out at rolling
1070
00:31:21,512 --> 00:31:22,814
or I got a color situation.
1071
00:31:22,814 --> 00:31:25,416
I'm trying to figure out, you know,
1072
00:31:25,416 --> 00:31:26,751
I'm sure they can meet you down there
1073
00:31:26,751 --> 00:31:27,986
in and get it done
1074
00:31:27,986 --> 00:31:29,587
and may have some insight along the way.
1075
00:31:29,587 --> 00:31:31,489
So all the schools,
1076
00:31:31,489 --> 00:31:32,857
the training centers are great
1077
00:31:32,857 --> 00:31:34,359
for the schools, don't get me wrong.
1078
00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:35,593
I mean,
1079
00:31:35,593 --> 00:31:36,494
I love having
1080
00:31:36,494 --> 00:31:37,629
all of our training centers.
1081
00:31:37,629 --> 00:31:38,196
I mean, we're
1082
00:31:38,196 --> 00:31:40,331
we're second to none with that.
1083
00:31:40,331 --> 00:31:41,232
But you know,
1084
00:31:41,232 --> 00:31:43,768
we only do a couple of schools a year
1085
00:31:43,768 --> 00:31:45,670
at these training centers.
1086
00:31:45,670 --> 00:31:47,171
These things are usually wide
1087
00:31:47,171 --> 00:31:49,007
open for guys to come in.
1088
00:31:49,007 --> 00:31:50,275
And, you know,
1089
00:31:50,275 --> 00:31:51,676
all I've heard about the power drive.
1090
00:31:51,676 --> 00:31:53,211
Well, don't buy it till you try it.
1091
00:31:53,211 --> 00:31:55,847
Come on and try it. Try a big machine.
1092
00:31:55,847 --> 00:31:57,582
Try buffing on a stain if you ever did,
1093
00:31:57,582 --> 00:31:59,717
you know, try a craft oil.
1094
00:31:59,717 --> 00:32:00,852
Learn there,
1095
00:32:00,852 --> 00:32:02,553
you know, that's why they're there.
1096
00:32:02,553 --> 00:32:03,154
Like I said,
1097
00:32:03,154 --> 00:32:03,988
we only do
1098
00:32:03,988 --> 00:32:06,557
two or three schools a year tops
1099
00:32:06,557 --> 00:32:07,625
at these training centers.
1100
00:32:07,625 --> 00:32:08,459
The rest of the time
1101
00:32:08,459 --> 00:32:09,560
they're just wide open for
1102
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:10,962
you guys to
1103
00:32:10,962 --> 00:32:14,532
come in and practice and learn. And
1104
00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:15,767
absolutely, that's how
1105
00:32:15,767 --> 00:32:17,735
we want it to be used.
1106
00:32:17,735 --> 00:32:18,736
All right.
1107
00:32:18,736 --> 00:32:20,939
Okay, Rob, I appreciate it. Good.
1108
00:32:20,939 --> 00:32:21,606
Good to talk to you.
1109
00:32:21,606 --> 00:32:23,374
Good seeing you, as usual.
1110
00:32:23,374 --> 00:32:25,810
And this has been a pleasure, Wayne.
1111
00:32:25,810 --> 00:32:28,579
Always a pleasure. Thank you, sir.
1112
00:32:28,579 --> 00:32:29,547
This has been another episode
1113
00:32:29,547 --> 00:32:31,416
of On the Floor with Wayne and Rob Lee.
1114
00:32:31,416 --> 00:32:34,352
Stay tuned for another episode
1115
00:32:34,352 --> 00:32:34,652
of.