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Hello.
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Welcome to another
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episode of On the Floor
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with Wayne and Rob.
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I'm Wayne Highlander with Bonnie.
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Adhesives.
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I'm Rob Johnson with D
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bone and training again.
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Hey, Rob,
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I just wanted to talk about,
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you know, just a touch on a subject here
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that as contractors,
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we take on, you know, I say we do
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is it's still in the blood,
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taking on a lot of,
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a lot of liability
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and a lot of responsibility.
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Some things are out of our control.
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Some things are in our control.
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I always talk about, you know,
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you want to put as many things
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on your side of the ledger as you can.
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Of all the unknowns that are out there,
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that's why you talk about
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why a contract is so important.
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Why, a meeting of the minds and clear
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communication is so important.
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I ran across something the other day
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that a contractor is
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a, you know, kind of dealing with.
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And, I just thought it was interesting.
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And, you know,
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maybe it comes up
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maybe enough that it might
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make sense to talk about it.
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And what the guy
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is dealing with
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is he put in a pretty finished law and,
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it's
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he's showing like,
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water sports and household,
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you know,
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cleaning products and things
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that are kind of like
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staining the floor, right?
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That you wouldn't
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you wouldn't expect it to happen on a
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on a pretty finished floor,
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which isn't,
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which is in a well-maintained home.
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And, and,
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you know, expensive floor,
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you know what I mean?
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And, and, look at the install.
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The install is beautifully
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installed and boards are staggered.
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Nice.
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And, the floor is nice and level or flat.
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And, so
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then signs of, stains started.
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Happened on the floor. Okay.
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Which the contractor
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is getting the blame for. All right.
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So I'm looking at the floor.
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I'm thinking, all right,
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well,
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it's a very, very low sheen floor okay.
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And it's a pre finished floor.
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And it looks like,
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almost looks like ten in talent pool,
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you know, but it's not like
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they're water drops or,
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or or little sections of the floor
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and especially in the kitchen
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right where things
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have been spilled on to the floor.
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So yeah, I looked up the manufacturing.
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It's, it's,
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aluminum oxide floor.
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Right.
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Wow.
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Well, because.
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You.
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Figure you've cured finishes
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like that or,
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you know, rather impervious
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to normal staining, right?
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The factory could have.
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So, you know,
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okay, what could happen,
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what could have went wrong with that?
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And whose fault is it?
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Because, hey,
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you know,
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you did everything right
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as a contractor.
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So I that's a good friend of mine
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who worked on that side of the business
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one time, and I asked him, you know what?
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What could happen that would cause this?
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And, he said it's a possibility
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that the factory could have under cured
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the finish. Okay.
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Is one possibility,
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but if that's the case,
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you would also see the finish
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marring and scratching.
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Easier than normal.
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Which makes sense, right?
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Sure.
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You see this trend that's with, low, low
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sheen finishes.
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Sometimes it matting agent
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used to lower the gloss
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level with low sheens.
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The many agents can migrate
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to the surface of the stain,
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during production.
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And depending on the matting agent,
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it can be treated with wax.
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Or that wax could possibly hold,
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or that wax could possibly hold.
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Stain,
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which was might,
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might be one of the issues,
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but another one that which I,
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I tend to think this happens
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more than we think
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with the trends
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with the manufacturers
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trying to meet the trends of this low
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sheen finishes, but they use,
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like, a little more oxide finishes
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to get there. Right?
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And that's that.
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The topcoat is applied extremely,
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extremely thin.
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So yeah, it's,
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it's a little more oxide,
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but it's put on really thin
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to give cause,
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to give you that lotion wear layer.
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And then with that minimal thickness,
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you could very well
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have some pores creating pockets
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where stain could be trapped.
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And a lot of times,
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in order to achieve the extremely low
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gloss numbers,
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the amount of topcoat is so scaled back,
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which you know, helps reduce the gloss.
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if you reduce it back
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too much,
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you've got an extremely thin layer
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with minimal protection.
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add that to a wire brush floor
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and you can see where that would be
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a challenge right now
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Yes.
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a few times now
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when the flooring guy was like
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kind of left on the hook, like, hey,
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you know, you put it
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in, you know, it's just not all the up
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and well,
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this really shouldn't be
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the floor guys deal at all.
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No, not at all.
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He's. All he did was install it.
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He didn't code it.
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It's not his codings,
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but.
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The homeowner doesn't care
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about that.
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Walmart doesn't care about that.
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I mean,
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and the only thing that
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maybe he could get away with is
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if the homeowner was the one
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who bought the product
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and he installed it.
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Then you might be able to say, hey,
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you bought the wood,
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but if it didn't go that way,
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if they didn't buy the wood
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and it was supplied by the contractor.
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Yeah, this poor guy's on the hook for it.
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So I, you know, I said there's
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a lot of things as a,
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as a contractor that,
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that are out of your control
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or that, you know, you know,
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they buy a brand new
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or they bring in a brand new,
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big dog into the house.
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You know what I mean?
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It it wasn't there
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when you were doing the floors.
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They bought a puppy, you know, sudden
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the floor scratching or whatever,
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and you're on the hook for that.
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And there's a lot of things
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out there that
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that are out of the contractor's control,
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where it's really a manufacturer.
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In this case,
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I think a manufacturer, issue.
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So I just think that,
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I'm lucky enough I know a guy who's,
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who's in the business, and there's.
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I would not have known this on my own.
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You know, I had to do some investigating.
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Like what? What would cause that?
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And, he's more of an expert
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in the in the matter, so.
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And it makes sense
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that manufacturers are trying to,
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you know, the,
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the oiled
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floors, you know,
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or being now,
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and I don't know if they're waiting or
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if they reach the top of the bell curve
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and they're going down,
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or if that that look is still as popular
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as it was.
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But a lot of manufacturers
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are trying to get that look.
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saying that, yeah,
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we can get that with our finish,
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but we just have to really scale it back
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because
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I think, I think we've
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we're over the hump with that stuff.
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I mean, even with our, with training,
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and we're just getting less
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and less and less guys
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even, you know, going for the oil floor
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and wanting to know about.
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I mean, four years ago,
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everybody coming through the door,
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are we going to wire brush?
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We're going to do graft oil.
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And are we going to do our oil system?
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You know, the oil system, craft
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oil took going a wire brush.
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I mean, that was 4 or 5 years ago.
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That was a star of training.
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And now it's it's all chroma.
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traffic raw, HD raw.
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Because I think like you're saying,
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people love that.
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Look of the oil, but,
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you know, it's got its limitations
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where the raw HD raw
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just gives you such
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strength, durability,
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chemical resistance,
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all that stuff that this guy sounds like
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he's running into.
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Just, kind of off topic.
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I've also seen floors that, that have
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that wire
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brushed, look to them,
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but they have such a really low sheen
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that you don't really notice
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the wire brushing as much,
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but when you put a, more of a higher
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sheen on it, it stands out more.
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And I think.
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There is absolutely no doubt about that.
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That is the craziest we did,
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we did a training up in Toronto
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a few years ago, and the.
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They wanted
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wire brushed as black as black could be,
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and, you know, so we did our whole sport
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paint thing with the clear
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steel wire brushed and I mean, Wayne,
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it looked so it it looks so good.
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I'm thinking I'm doing
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that on my office floor.
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I want that on my floor.
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I know Paul Lee won't go for it.
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No way.
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But, you know,
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I might be able to do it in my office.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, at the
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time, we didn't have the raw.
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We had, what was the other one?
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That, traffic, natural.
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Yes.
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So we put a code in natural on that.
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And we came back.
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Now we put it on that night,
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and we came back
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and it looked fantastic,
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but we were looking at what finish.
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And we came back the next day
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and it looked like a chalkboard.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it
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completely disappeared,
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Yeah.
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like, unbelievable.
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Jordan and I looked at each other
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like, well,
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we got to scrape this off
321
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before anybody gets there.
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It was.
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So after that, we
324
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we kind of told the class, hey, look,
325
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you know what?
326
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We all just learned something.
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If you're going to go,
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you gotta go with Satin Semi-Gloss,
329
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you know,
330
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stay away from those really, really low
331
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sheen products
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because you're absolutely right.
333
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Without that,
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without that reflect the value.
335
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You lost that wire brush.
336
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Look. Big time I was couldn't believe it.
337
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Like I said, it looked like a chalkboard
338
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from across the room.
339
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Nuts.
340
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because,
341
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I'll tell you another story here, but,
342
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it changes it completely.
343
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So you,
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you wasted the wire brushing to me
345
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on that low sheen like that.
346
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Yes, absolutely.
347
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So I know a guy that
348
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that was on a job
349
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where the hand scraped the entire house.
350
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I mean, you know how hard it is
351
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to hand scrape before I mean hands.
352
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Great.
353
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It was it.
354
00:11:09,568 --> 00:11:11,671
No, it wasn't a it was a,
355
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I can't remember what it was.
356
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I think it was a dug for.
357
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It was, not done for,
358
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I can't remember who it was anyhow,
359
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but his scrape the entire job.
360
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Okay.
361
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I mean, labor intensive hand scraping
362
00:11:26,986 --> 00:11:27,720
and we got done.
363
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I went, oh, my God, that is beautiful.
364
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I mean, he you see that
365
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he is scraping all the texture
366
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and everything is beautiful.
367
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Put a low sheen finish on it.
368
00:11:34,994 --> 00:11:36,829
You can see the hand scraping.
369
00:11:36,829 --> 00:11:39,832
Yeah, exactly.
370
00:11:39,832 --> 00:11:40,066
Ruined it, ruined it.
371
00:11:40,066 --> 00:11:41,967
It's crazy.
372
00:11:41,967 --> 00:11:44,970
You gotta go with semi-gloss,
373
00:11:45,304 --> 00:11:47,273
because even satin takes away
374
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a little bit of it.
375
00:11:50,276 --> 00:11:50,976
Anything's better than than matte.
376
00:11:50,976 --> 00:11:53,813
So there's like I said, in
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this industry is span.
378
00:11:55,047 --> 00:11:56,515
There's so many ways
379
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that things can change on you.
380
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You know what I mean?
381
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That it would best intentions
382
00:12:01,454 --> 00:12:02,521
that, like,
383
00:12:02,521 --> 00:12:03,055
like you guys
384
00:12:03,055 --> 00:12:03,622
put that on there
385
00:12:03,622 --> 00:12:04,824
thinking is going look beautiful on it
386
00:12:04,824 --> 00:12:05,624
and it and it ruined
387
00:12:05,624 --> 00:12:07,026
the look at the floor.
388
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So
389
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I think that's why
390
00:12:09,628 --> 00:12:10,730
samples are so important,
391
00:12:10,730 --> 00:12:12,331
even if it's a pain to do the samples.
392
00:12:12,331 --> 00:12:13,399
I think guys are more creative
393
00:12:13,399 --> 00:12:15,468
doing samples now than ever.
394
00:12:15,468 --> 00:12:17,336
We talked about that before.
395
00:12:17,336 --> 00:12:19,238
We said doing behind a refrigerator,
396
00:12:19,238 --> 00:12:20,606
behind a stove, you know, because,
397
00:12:20,606 --> 00:12:21,974
you know, it's going to be covered up
398
00:12:21,974 --> 00:12:24,977
Yeah.
399
00:12:24,977 --> 00:12:25,144
samples are half the size of the
400
00:12:25,144 --> 00:12:26,412
damn floor in samples.
401
00:12:26,412 --> 00:12:28,948
Right.
402
00:12:28,948 --> 00:12:30,516
That's another great part of traffic.
403
00:12:30,516 --> 00:12:32,918
Go!
404
00:12:32,918 --> 00:12:34,386
That's another really awesome
405
00:12:34,386 --> 00:12:35,221
part of the traffic.
406
00:12:35,221 --> 00:12:38,224
Go is now, you don't have to mix up,
407
00:12:38,824 --> 00:12:39,191
To do a sample.
408
00:12:39,191 --> 00:12:43,395
a small portion of traffic HD.
409
00:12:43,395 --> 00:12:43,763
Yeah.
410
00:12:43,763 --> 00:12:45,898
Now you can just have a little traffic.
411
00:12:45,898 --> 00:12:47,333
Go give it a shake,
412
00:12:47,333 --> 00:12:48,467
put it out there
413
00:12:48,467 --> 00:12:51,470
and you're going to get that same look.
414
00:12:51,470 --> 00:12:51,570
yeah.
415
00:12:51,570 --> 00:12:52,938
So for samples.
416
00:12:52,938 --> 00:12:54,039
Can't mess with traffic.
417
00:12:54,039 --> 00:12:57,042
Go.
418
00:12:57,042 --> 00:12:58,077
I bring this scenario up,
419
00:12:58,077 --> 00:12:59,378
because it is going to be such
420
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a heartbreaker for this guy
421
00:13:00,646 --> 00:13:01,881
to dealing with this
422
00:13:01,881 --> 00:13:02,815
and an the homeowner
423
00:13:02,815 --> 00:13:04,850
completely thinks it's his fault.
424
00:13:04,850 --> 00:13:08,320
And, there was a beautiful install,
425
00:13:08,821 --> 00:13:12,625
and, it's just not holding up
426
00:13:12,625 --> 00:13:13,826
to just basic household
427
00:13:13,826 --> 00:13:16,095
stains and stuff as a pre finished floor.
428
00:13:16,095 --> 00:13:17,129
And,
429
00:13:17,129 --> 00:13:17,797
and you know,
430
00:13:17,797 --> 00:13:19,265
when you say that it's a, it's
431
00:13:19,265 --> 00:13:21,967
aluminum oxide on there. Well.
432
00:13:21,967 --> 00:13:22,234
I mean,
433
00:13:22,234 --> 00:13:22,701
I think
434
00:13:22,701 --> 00:13:23,402
lunar oxide
435
00:13:23,402 --> 00:13:24,303
is like the fourth hardest
436
00:13:24,303 --> 00:13:26,672
substance known to man.
437
00:13:26,672 --> 00:13:27,573
This right here is the third.
438
00:13:27,573 --> 00:13:28,040
Oh, that.
439
00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:28,674
That. There.
440
00:13:28,674 --> 00:13:30,242
Yeah. Oh, that.
441
00:13:30,242 --> 00:13:31,911
That's number three. Yeah.
442
00:13:31,911 --> 00:13:32,278
My left my bicep.
443
00:13:32,278 --> 00:13:32,912
Yeah. It came it anymore.
444
00:13:32,912 --> 00:13:33,145
It's.
445
00:13:33,145 --> 00:13:36,081
It definitely.
446
00:13:36,081 --> 00:13:36,148
It definitely.
447
00:13:36,148 --> 00:13:37,049
Yeah.
448
00:13:37,049 --> 00:13:38,651
And and there are other
449
00:13:38,651 --> 00:13:41,187
scenarios like that where,
450
00:13:42,855 --> 00:13:44,023
completely out of control to
451
00:13:44,023 --> 00:13:45,424
the contractor
452
00:13:45,424 --> 00:13:48,260
that, we can be on the hook for.
453
00:13:48,260 --> 00:13:48,527
And that's
454
00:13:48,527 --> 00:13:51,831
why I, I'm so big on the contracts.
455
00:13:52,331 --> 00:13:54,066
I'm so big on, on the, on
456
00:13:54,066 --> 00:13:55,401
maintenance, proper maintenance.
457
00:13:55,401 --> 00:13:58,704
So you don't get yourself out of trouble
458
00:13:58,704 --> 00:13:59,738
that way, too,
459
00:13:59,738 --> 00:14:01,507
that I inform the consumer
460
00:14:01,507 --> 00:14:02,975
and how to take care of the floors.
461
00:14:02,975 --> 00:14:04,677
We gave him a schedule.
462
00:14:04,677 --> 00:14:06,846
We gave him a thing about not not not,
463
00:14:06,846 --> 00:14:07,613
dragging
464
00:14:07,613 --> 00:14:09,682
heavy stuff across the floor,
465
00:14:09,682 --> 00:14:11,517
talking about the dog's nails,
466
00:14:11,517 --> 00:14:12,885
talking about all these types of things.
467
00:14:12,885 --> 00:14:15,321
Just this is CIA type of things
468
00:14:15,321 --> 00:14:18,324
Yeah.
469
00:14:18,324 --> 00:14:19,124
they're only important to.
470
00:14:19,124 --> 00:14:20,292
It's a problem.
471
00:14:20,292 --> 00:14:20,459
Right?
472
00:14:20,459 --> 00:14:23,462
Right.
473
00:14:23,462 --> 00:14:25,197
There's like, whatever.
474
00:14:25,197 --> 00:14:25,865
I don't have to do it
475
00:14:25,865 --> 00:14:26,932
on 100 different jobs.
476
00:14:26,932 --> 00:14:27,800
It didn't matter that I did it.
477
00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,969
But one job that does matter.
478
00:14:29,969 --> 00:14:30,903
Yeah.
479
00:14:30,903 --> 00:14:32,972
Then then you be glad you had it. So.
480
00:14:32,972 --> 00:14:35,140
So how are we going to help this guy out?
481
00:14:35,140 --> 00:14:38,143
What are we going to do?
482
00:14:38,143 --> 00:14:38,811
he's, I think
483
00:14:38,811 --> 00:14:39,812
he's got a couple options,
484
00:14:39,812 --> 00:14:40,646
and both are bad.
485
00:14:40,646 --> 00:14:42,414
One is,
486
00:14:42,414 --> 00:14:43,515
as replace boards,
487
00:14:43,515 --> 00:14:45,117
but there's a lot of them.
488
00:14:45,117 --> 00:14:45,184
All right.
489
00:14:45,184 --> 00:14:48,187
Right.
490
00:14:48,187 --> 00:14:48,254
about living on that floor
491
00:14:48,254 --> 00:14:49,655
if you were the consumer?
492
00:14:49,655 --> 00:14:50,556
You
493
00:14:50,556 --> 00:14:51,490
Probably not.
494
00:14:51,490 --> 00:14:54,260
Is this a wire brush for.
495
00:14:54,260 --> 00:14:57,263
Is wire brushed?
496
00:14:57,263 --> 00:14:58,430
so you got to replace boards
497
00:14:58,430 --> 00:14:59,198
and then I would cut
498
00:14:59,198 --> 00:15:01,433
the entire floor myself
499
00:15:01,433 --> 00:15:01,533
because I wouldn't feel good about it.
500
00:15:01,533 --> 00:15:04,536
Yep.
501
00:15:04,536 --> 00:15:06,272
Or sanding refinish the whole floor
502
00:15:06,438 --> 00:15:09,108
and then wire brush the whole floor,
503
00:15:09,108 --> 00:15:10,542
because you got to bring that look back
504
00:15:10,542 --> 00:15:11,777
and then and then finish it,
505
00:15:11,777 --> 00:15:12,745
which will be a better job
506
00:15:12,745 --> 00:15:14,046
at the end of the day.
507
00:15:14,046 --> 00:15:17,049
Yeah.
508
00:15:17,049 --> 00:15:17,249
But but, you know, it's all that entails.
509
00:15:17,249 --> 00:15:17,650
So.
510
00:15:17,650 --> 00:15:18,651
So, you know,
511
00:15:18,651 --> 00:15:19,785
another thing we can talk to
512
00:15:19,785 --> 00:15:22,788
this guy about is our Ricoh system.
513
00:15:23,656 --> 00:15:25,324
You know, if it wasn't wire brushed
514
00:15:25,324 --> 00:15:27,660
and I was having issues.
515
00:15:27,660 --> 00:15:30,663
Because it's not that we had issues, but
516
00:15:31,297 --> 00:15:32,298
in the past,
517
00:15:32,298 --> 00:15:35,467
we have seen some pre sealed
518
00:15:36,135 --> 00:15:38,871
and pre,
519
00:15:38,871 --> 00:15:41,874
pre finished sport floors,
520
00:15:42,942 --> 00:15:44,476
but sometimes just aluminum
521
00:15:44,476 --> 00:15:47,479
oxide comes in so hard to.
522
00:15:47,479 --> 00:15:49,481
Yeah it was tough to get paint and
523
00:15:49,481 --> 00:15:51,050
and finish on these things.
524
00:15:51,050 --> 00:15:53,118
So if it wasn't wire brushed
525
00:15:53,118 --> 00:15:54,954
I was going to recommend.
526
00:15:54,954 --> 00:15:56,989
Hey we got a great system. It would prep
527
00:15:58,057 --> 00:15:59,158
do the prep with the
528
00:15:59,158 --> 00:16:02,161
maroon pads, let that dry,
529
00:16:03,329 --> 00:16:03,862
you know,
530
00:16:03,862 --> 00:16:05,531
or do the prep system
531
00:16:05,531 --> 00:16:06,532
where you don't let it dry
532
00:16:06,532 --> 00:16:07,533
but you wipe it off.
533
00:16:07,533 --> 00:16:08,701
And then when it's all dry,
534
00:16:08,701 --> 00:16:10,569
after you've done the prep system,
535
00:16:10,569 --> 00:16:12,237
go back and hit it with the diamonds.
536
00:16:12,237 --> 00:16:15,307
The diamond discs are,
537
00:16:16,442 --> 00:16:19,411
an absolute freaking game changer
538
00:16:20,746 --> 00:16:22,715
for these pre sealed or these pre
539
00:16:22,715 --> 00:16:25,017
finished aluminum oxide floors
540
00:16:25,017 --> 00:16:26,719
where before we really didn't
541
00:16:26,719 --> 00:16:27,786
have any answers.
542
00:16:27,786 --> 00:16:30,789
Now with the diamond it's it's simple
543
00:16:31,623 --> 00:16:32,825
I mean that is
544
00:16:32,825 --> 00:16:33,926
and that's really why
545
00:16:33,926 --> 00:16:35,961
we move the diamonds
546
00:16:35,961 --> 00:16:38,163
over to our Rico and screen
547
00:16:38,163 --> 00:16:39,398
and coat systems and everything.
548
00:16:39,398 --> 00:16:41,100
Because
549
00:16:41,100 --> 00:16:42,468
those diamonds are just
550
00:16:42,468 --> 00:16:43,802
the most amazing thing
551
00:16:43,802 --> 00:16:45,004
you've ever worked with
552
00:16:45,004 --> 00:16:47,973
when it comes to that.
553
00:16:47,973 --> 00:16:48,374
Well, that was always the dilemma.
554
00:16:48,374 --> 00:16:49,308
Is that I gotta.
555
00:16:49,308 --> 00:16:50,342
I got to get a
556
00:16:50,342 --> 00:16:52,711
mechanical scratching the floor. But.
557
00:16:52,711 --> 00:16:53,879
But I'm going to put such
558
00:16:53,879 --> 00:16:55,614
a deep scratch in the floor
559
00:16:55,614 --> 00:16:56,248
that I'm going to.
560
00:16:56,248 --> 00:16:58,083
I'm going to have swirl marks everywhere.
561
00:16:58,083 --> 00:16:59,184
Yes.
562
00:16:59,184 --> 00:17:01,186
Yeah.
563
00:17:01,186 --> 00:17:02,521
The diamond.
564
00:17:02,521 --> 00:17:05,024
It's a completely different itch.
565
00:17:05,024 --> 00:17:06,692
It really would blow you away.
566
00:17:06,692 --> 00:17:10,295
I mean, crazy, but with this one,
567
00:17:11,130 --> 00:17:11,597
this is where
568
00:17:11,597 --> 00:17:13,766
we have to go to our other system.
569
00:17:13,766 --> 00:17:14,733
This is where we have to
570
00:17:14,733 --> 00:17:15,901
go to the Rico system.
571
00:17:16,969 --> 00:17:18,237
Because the
572
00:17:18,237 --> 00:17:21,240
diamonds, as much as they would work,
573
00:17:22,274 --> 00:17:23,675
they're just not going to get down
574
00:17:23,675 --> 00:17:24,843
into where
575
00:17:24,843 --> 00:17:25,844
that soft grain
576
00:17:25,844 --> 00:17:28,013
got dished out from the wire brush.
577
00:17:28,013 --> 00:17:28,781
So the diamond is
578
00:17:28,781 --> 00:17:31,350
going to kind of pass over it.
579
00:17:31,350 --> 00:17:34,319
So with the Rico system,
580
00:17:34,319 --> 00:17:35,788
that's the way to go with this.
581
00:17:35,788 --> 00:17:38,524
Because the Rico system was made
582
00:17:38,524 --> 00:17:41,660
for hand scraped wire brushed,
583
00:17:42,394 --> 00:17:44,863
distressed.
584
00:17:44,863 --> 00:17:47,399
The, the saw cut floor,
585
00:17:47,399 --> 00:17:48,033
you know what I mean?
586
00:17:48,033 --> 00:17:50,135
All those
587
00:17:50,135 --> 00:17:52,104
that abrasive brush.
588
00:17:52,104 --> 00:17:53,272
Boy, if you haven't fooled around
589
00:17:53,272 --> 00:17:56,208
with that, you should
590
00:17:56,208 --> 00:17:57,810
because that abrasive brush
591
00:17:57,810 --> 00:18:00,679
with the bonus remove chemical on it.
592
00:18:00,679 --> 00:18:02,948
I think that would definitely,
593
00:18:02,948 --> 00:18:04,483
definitely help this guy out.
594
00:18:04,483 --> 00:18:06,718
Or at least try a room.
595
00:18:06,718 --> 00:18:08,053
And I think he'd be shocked
596
00:18:08,053 --> 00:18:09,688
how good it's going to work.
597
00:18:09,688 --> 00:18:11,023
So we get some answers for.
598
00:18:11,023 --> 00:18:11,423
Yeah,
599
00:18:11,423 --> 00:18:11,723
yeah.
600
00:18:11,723 --> 00:18:14,059
You know.
601
00:18:14,059 --> 00:18:15,060
This is what we talk about.
602
00:18:15,060 --> 00:18:16,829
Training, going to the school.
603
00:18:16,829 --> 00:18:17,396
Well, you might
604
00:18:17,396 --> 00:18:19,665
you might know 90% of things that you.
605
00:18:19,665 --> 00:18:21,467
Before you go into the school.
606
00:18:21,467 --> 00:18:23,302
We might have been doing floors
607
00:18:23,302 --> 00:18:26,305
for 35 years and think, I really.
608
00:18:27,206 --> 00:18:28,574
I know everything in here
609
00:18:28,574 --> 00:18:29,942
because you know so much.
610
00:18:29,942 --> 00:18:32,711
But these little things that you push,
611
00:18:32,711 --> 00:18:34,613
add them to the toolbox
612
00:18:34,613 --> 00:18:36,648
that that could get you out of a jam down
613
00:18:36,648 --> 00:18:37,749
the road,
614
00:18:37,749 --> 00:18:39,685
that you may not need them until you know
615
00:18:39,685 --> 00:18:41,186
when that one job comes along.
616
00:18:41,186 --> 00:18:41,987
But you got the answer
617
00:18:41,987 --> 00:18:43,055
when nobody else has.
618
00:18:44,423 --> 00:18:44,623
Yeah,
619
00:18:44,623 --> 00:18:45,991
it's worth a lot of money.
620
00:18:45,991 --> 00:18:47,159
Hell, yeah!
621
00:18:47,159 --> 00:18:49,228
Money. Oh, baby.
622
00:18:49,228 --> 00:18:49,828
All right.
623
00:18:49,828 --> 00:18:51,997
So not only, you know, do
624
00:18:51,997 --> 00:18:53,132
we recommend, like I said,
625
00:18:53,132 --> 00:18:54,299
if it wasn't wire brush,
626
00:18:54,299 --> 00:18:56,368
we definitely would be going with prep
627
00:18:56,368 --> 00:18:57,169
and the diamonds.
628
00:18:57,169 --> 00:18:59,605
But where it is, the wire brush
629
00:18:59,605 --> 00:19:02,141
or if it was distressed or hand scraped
630
00:19:02,141 --> 00:19:03,442
or something like that,
631
00:19:03,442 --> 00:19:05,310
then we're going to go with the,
632
00:19:05,310 --> 00:19:08,747
bone to recode system and really utilize
633
00:19:09,314 --> 00:19:11,216
that, abrasive brush,
634
00:19:11,216 --> 00:19:11,750
because that's
635
00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:14,319
what's going to get down into all that,
636
00:19:14,319 --> 00:19:15,787
you know, soft grain dish out
637
00:19:15,787 --> 00:19:17,189
and things like that.
638
00:19:17,189 --> 00:19:18,924
And then the other thing
639
00:19:18,924 --> 00:19:20,125
with these systems
640
00:19:20,125 --> 00:19:21,493
and this is the,
641
00:19:21,493 --> 00:19:21,760
you know,
642
00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,328
this is the best part,
643
00:19:23,328 --> 00:19:26,331
we highly, highly recommend
644
00:19:26,565 --> 00:19:29,568
coating it with the traffic HD products
645
00:19:30,202 --> 00:19:33,071
because the traffic HD products,
646
00:19:33,071 --> 00:19:35,507
the hardened product,
647
00:19:35,507 --> 00:19:37,075
nothing is going to give you
648
00:19:37,075 --> 00:19:39,344
a better adhesion to a floor.
649
00:19:39,344 --> 00:19:40,212
Nothing.
650
00:19:40,212 --> 00:19:40,946
And that's
651
00:19:40,946 --> 00:19:41,280
you know,
652
00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:42,281
that's what we're looking for
653
00:19:42,281 --> 00:19:43,649
with these
654
00:19:43,649 --> 00:19:46,485
these, pre finish lumen oxide floors.
655
00:19:46,485 --> 00:19:48,420
You need something that,
656
00:19:48,420 --> 00:19:49,321
you know,
657
00:19:49,321 --> 00:19:50,522
you could almost get away
658
00:19:50,522 --> 00:19:51,690
without doing anything
659
00:19:51,690 --> 00:19:53,525
that that stuff will stick to everything.
660
00:19:53,525 --> 00:19:54,760
I probably shouldn't have said that.
661
00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,763
But we want to go with the systems.
662
00:19:57,763 --> 00:19:57,996
We.
663
00:19:57,996 --> 00:20:00,299
But that's how good that traffic HD is.
664
00:20:00,299 --> 00:20:02,834
So with both systems, the prep system
665
00:20:04,303 --> 00:20:07,172
or the bone or record system,
666
00:20:07,172 --> 00:20:08,207
that's our
667
00:20:08,207 --> 00:20:11,076
that's a huge recommendation from us
668
00:20:11,076 --> 00:20:14,446
is to, stick with the traffic HD product
669
00:20:14,446 --> 00:20:16,081
because we know
670
00:20:16,081 --> 00:20:17,182
that that that is going
671
00:20:17,182 --> 00:20:18,817
to give you your best shot
672
00:20:18,817 --> 00:20:21,620
at really a great adhesion,
673
00:20:21,620 --> 00:20:22,854
you know, because that's
674
00:20:22,854 --> 00:20:24,556
that's what you run into sometimes
675
00:20:24,556 --> 00:20:26,225
with these refinish floors,
676
00:20:26,225 --> 00:20:28,126
it's hard to get anything to stick to it,
677
00:20:28,126 --> 00:20:28,527
you know.
678
00:20:28,527 --> 00:20:31,697
But we've got two phenomenal systems
679
00:20:31,697 --> 00:20:34,700
that are yeah, that was
680
00:20:35,901 --> 00:20:38,770
that was made just for that system.
681
00:20:38,770 --> 00:20:40,706
I mean, they originally were made
682
00:20:40,706 --> 00:20:41,607
for those systems.
683
00:20:41,607 --> 00:20:43,475
The Ricoh system was made
684
00:20:43,475 --> 00:20:44,643
for the wire brush
685
00:20:44,643 --> 00:20:45,978
and the prep system was made
686
00:20:45,978 --> 00:20:47,980
for the aluminum oxide breakdown.
687
00:20:47,980 --> 00:20:50,382
So, you know, we've got
688
00:20:50,382 --> 00:20:51,950
we got a couple guns,
689
00:20:51,950 --> 00:20:53,919
a couple of bullets for the gun there.
690
00:20:54,353 --> 00:20:54,720
Yeah.
691
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:55,520
And I told him. If.
692
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,656
If it comes to push, push comes to shove.
693
00:20:57,656 --> 00:21:00,225
And the are going to say finish it.
694
00:21:00,225 --> 00:21:00,592
Certainly.
695
00:21:00,592 --> 00:21:01,660
That's one I would probably do
696
00:21:01,660 --> 00:21:02,394
start to finish
697
00:21:02,394 --> 00:21:03,128
with the power drive
698
00:21:03,128 --> 00:21:05,063
because you don't want to take off much
699
00:21:05,063 --> 00:21:06,732
where they're off that floor.
700
00:21:06,732 --> 00:21:08,300
And then
701
00:21:08,300 --> 00:21:09,601
then you can change the color
702
00:21:09,601 --> 00:21:10,669
or whatever.
703
00:21:10,669 --> 00:21:10,902
You know what I mean?
704
00:21:10,902 --> 00:21:13,905
Right.
705
00:21:13,905 --> 00:21:15,340
So, yep.
706
00:21:15,340 --> 00:21:15,807
There you go.
707
00:21:15,807 --> 00:21:16,875
I just thought,
708
00:21:16,875 --> 00:21:20,312
you know, I, I see contractors
709
00:21:20,312 --> 00:21:22,781
get involved in situations like this
710
00:21:22,781 --> 00:21:24,416
or they get on the hook because,
711
00:21:24,416 --> 00:21:24,650
you know,
712
00:21:24,650 --> 00:21:25,617
they're the ones who did the work.
713
00:21:25,617 --> 00:21:27,252
But really, this is this is
714
00:21:27,252 --> 00:21:28,620
this is a manufacturing thing.
715
00:21:28,620 --> 00:21:29,821
It's not really
716
00:21:29,821 --> 00:21:31,356
it's not a contractor error.
717
00:21:31,356 --> 00:21:33,392
You did everything you supposed to do.
718
00:21:33,392 --> 00:21:36,695
And, but, you know, knowledge is power.
719
00:21:37,229 --> 00:21:38,997
So maybe you run into that,
720
00:21:38,997 --> 00:21:41,199
especially with these, like, these low,
721
00:21:41,199 --> 00:21:43,268
low sheen products
722
00:21:43,268 --> 00:21:44,236
that really the only way
723
00:21:44,236 --> 00:21:45,671
I think you can achieve those with the,
724
00:21:45,671 --> 00:21:47,406
luminal oxides is put them on
725
00:21:47,406 --> 00:21:49,441
really thin, goes really, really thin.
726
00:21:49,441 --> 00:21:50,642
And again introduce
727
00:21:50,642 --> 00:21:51,710
if you introduce the wire
728
00:21:51,710 --> 00:21:53,812
brushing to me you you
729
00:21:53,812 --> 00:21:55,881
that's a, that's a recipe for,
730
00:21:55,881 --> 00:21:57,349
for having issues down the road. Right.
731
00:21:58,450 --> 00:21:59,751
Absolutely.
732
00:21:59,751 --> 00:22:01,553
Yes.
733
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:02,220
Okay.
734
00:22:02,220 --> 00:22:03,288
There's been another episode
735
00:22:03,288 --> 00:22:05,057
of On the Floor with Wayne and Rob.
736
00:22:05,057 --> 00:22:06,992
Please stay tuned for another episode.