Wayne and Rob host guests Joe Rizzo and Frank Coppolino to discuss the importance of leveling subfloors. Follow Bona US Professional online: Website: https://www1.bona.com/en-us/professional/ Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/BonaProfessional Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bonauspro/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bonapro.us/
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Hello.
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Welcome to
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another episode of On the Floor
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with Wayne and Rob.
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I'm Wayne Highlander, director of Sales
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for Bona Adhesives.
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I'm Rob Johnson from Bona Training
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Rob, we have some very special
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guests today. Wow, what a day.
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Yes.
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And the revenue is huge.
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This is big, right?
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This is big.
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We have actually two industry
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experts with us,
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one from Ladd Accrete,
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Joseph Rizzo,
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and one our very own Frank Bellino,
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both out of New York, as it turns out.
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And Joe,
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why don't you give a little background
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about yourself
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and a little background about lingerie?
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It would be my pleasure.
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So I'm Joe Rizzo.
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I am the sales director
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for Latacrete and substrate
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preparation products.
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That late agreement
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with that basically means
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is that we take bad substrates
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and we make them flat hardened. Durable
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later creates
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a company that is family owned
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three generations.
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We are best known for our tile
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and stone setting products
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and how the company got started.
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But we've grown
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tremendously since then and
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we do,
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without exaggeration, hundreds
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of millions of square feet
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now of substrate
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preparation around the world through our
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seven plants in the US
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and somewhere in the teens
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around the world as far as plants go.
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So I thank you for having me today.
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Yeah, we're very happy to have you.
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You bring a lot of knowledge to this
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and glad
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it is a great company
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and we'll talk a lot about that
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because you guys do some amazing stuff
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and a lot of good synergy
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there between us and Frank.
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Why don't you go ahead
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and introduce yourself?
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Okay.
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I'm Frank
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Capilano, commercial Specifications
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Manager for Bona.
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I cover the US and Canada.
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When it comes to dealing
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with architects, designers, specifiers
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and some builders,
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I've had the pleasure
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of working with Lady to create
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for the last 1213 years.
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Prior to coming to Bona,
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I worked for an applicator
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who is the largest applicator
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in the country
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and was around for some of the first
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pump trucks
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and the newer technology
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that's used today
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to pump in Self-Leveling
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in these high rise building.
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So it's just a pleasure to have Joe on
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and to be working with his team.
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Absolutely.
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And Frank, you made a point early on
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so I could steal this myself,
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and I'm going
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to give you credit for that.
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We should actually call this episode
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under the floor with Wayne and Rob that,
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you know,
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a lot of guys in our industry
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do not like to
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to get into this
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arena of leveling some floors
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because they think it's difficult.
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They're concerned about,
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you know what,
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it's not something I do
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that I'm going to get in over my head.
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So, you know, talking to you, Joseph, and
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and look at it that it creates products.
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It really is a pretty simple process.
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Let me
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maybe can I walk us through
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some of these?
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These are
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products that you guys have for this.
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I would love to.
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If the process
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of fixing a substrate, using
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the right products is going
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the way it should, it should be boring.
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It should reach the point
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where the contractor is saying
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this is just very, very simple.
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So I'm going to start
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with our main product,
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which is Self-Leveling Underlayment,
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and there's
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a number of different products that go.
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But this is a product category,
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so it's a cement based product.
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Everything that we make a cement base,
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we don't get involved in it
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with with gypsum or materials
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that retain a lot of moisture.
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Everything we do has the hardness
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and durability of cement,
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and you have a product
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or a group of products
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that is
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the consistency of pea soup
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or even more watery
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that hardens to something
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that is many thousands of pieces,
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often in a matter of hours,
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and it gets very flat if placed properly,
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very hard
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and very durable
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so that it can accept vinyl
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flooring easily.
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Very cool.
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What PSA are you able to achieve
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that product?
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Depending on the product
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that we're that
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we're talking about,
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we can be anywhere from 4000 and above.
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We have some products
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that are in excess of 7000 PSI.
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Wow. And
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the great thing about that
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is that along with the strength
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you get all the other properties
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compressive strength.
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We're not concrete
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and I'm very we're not concrete
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is we're not being poured eight,
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nine, ten inches at a time.
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We're being poured
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and a fractions of an inch
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or even sometimes
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a little bit over an inch.
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But the high compressive strength
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gives you a product that's very durable.
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So even though we're an underlayment
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and we don't claim that you can use this
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as a final surface,
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we say very clearly
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with most of our stuff,
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the construction trades can go over them
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for a period of one year
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without fear
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of harming
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or deteriorating
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that nice, flat, hard surface.
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So it gives a lot of flexibility
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in the schedule.
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So one of the things that we noticed
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with Self-Leveling
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is we're getting on the jobs
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earlier with them.
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I noticed that
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when the Currin show is done,
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sometimes the concrete is left raw.
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It's not our trialed or finished trial.
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And then the Self-Leveling crews
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come in
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with a lot of crates,
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got some beautiful pump trucks
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that could pump 50 stories in the air,
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hundreds of bags
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an hour through these silos.
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So what they do
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is they take that raw concrete.
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And if you could imagine that
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that thin layer
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over the top of it,
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making it
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flat enough
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to receive any of these finishes.
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And then the carpet does come in
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after the fact
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and lay their tracks
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and put up their walls.
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It just makes the whole process
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in the build go a lot faster.
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And then our trade comes in, whether it's
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wood, flooring, vinyl,
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carpet, whatever it is,
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and they already have a substrate
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that's flat enough.
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And all those benchmarks are hit
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and it just speeds up
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the whole process on the job site.
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It really is a wonderful thing.
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I remember when I started,
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everything was was done by hand
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and I was around for the build
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and design of the first dump truck
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when I saw a big red go for the
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first time.
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It was just like, you know what took
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a team of 20? We did with a team of five.
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It's just incredible.
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Frank, what's your title again?
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Commercial Specifications Manager.
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I always wondered what you did.
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I know you're around.
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I know you do a lot.
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I was wondering what it was.
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Yeah, in layman's terms,
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it's just cooking bottle wash,
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little bit of everything.
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And you do it well.
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Thank you.
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so when when concerned or when around
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self-leveling products, is
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that is a moisture.
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So how does the moisture affect this
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in the
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in the in the scheme of things, Joe?
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So I'm going to give
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a little bit of a preamble to that
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to tack on first to what
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Frank was talking about,
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and that'll help us launch
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right into the moisture aspect of it.
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So you can think of self-leveling
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of a concrete slab
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or wooden substrate
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and two different ways.
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There's two different worlds
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in which this process lives.
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One is the new construction world
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that Frank was just talking about
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huge, massive trucks, multiple story high
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rises, perfecting the slab
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without the traditional methods
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of finishing concrete.
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But to make sure
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that everyone understands,
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we also live in a world of renovation
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where somebody is 500 square
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foot living room or 1000 square foot
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office has been around for 50 years
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and the floor is being torn
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and the new one is being put down.
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And the only real way that you can do it
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without absolutely removing
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the entire substrate and replacing
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or using multiple layers of plywood
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and so forth,
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is using a self-leveling cement.
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So we're we're very happy that we live
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in both the million square
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foot structure, but also in in Mrs.
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Jones 200 square foot bathroom
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where product is still mixed by
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hand, where product is still
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is still used as a patch, not
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just a
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way of changing the construction industry
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through some very large pumping
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delivery systems.
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How does that tie into moisture
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regardless of new or old?
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We're going to get moisture either
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coming up through a slab,
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coming up through the ground
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and so forth.
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Our stuff is 100% relative
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humidity tolerant.
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That is not to say, however,
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that it is a moisture barrier
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or a moisture mitigation system.
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So we get the floor
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flat and hard or the slab flat.
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Hard. Excuse me.
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But then we
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we allow moisture to pass through.
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If it's a tile system,
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that's just fine
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because tile systems
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are also pass through.
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If it's a glue
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that can take that much moisture
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and the floor is impervious to it,
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that works as well.
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Some situations
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still require the use of moisture systems
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like like you guys make, like we make.
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So we have ways of dealing with moisture
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in all its forms.
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That you can pour
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this on a wet concrete floor
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if you're going.
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To use
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an epoxy
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moisture mitigation system,
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which is a two component epoxy
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that can take £25 of moisture
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vapor transmission
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can take 100% relative humidity and 14,
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which is how basic the concrete is.
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You can go over concrete
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that's five days old.
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You can also go over concrete
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that's five days old
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with one of our cement
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based leveling systems.
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However,
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you won't be able to put floor thing
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over the top of it afterwards
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simply because
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unless we know for a fact
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that without the moisture mitigation,
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the floor
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can take that level of moisture.
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Right?
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So in a traditional
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high rise or multi-use building,
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which we know a lot of the
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people listening
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today are doing, the smaller
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home renovations,
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but in a high rise project
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where they're shifting
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or pouring these slabs in a
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couple of days per floor,
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once they're able to get on it,
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they can actually cap the floor
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with self-leveling
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while the slab is still green
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and the whole system is curing together.
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Now keep in mind
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the flooring is not going right on.
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On top of this,
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you still have other floors
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that are going up.
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You have walls being built,
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sheetrock, AC,
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electrical, the whole thing.
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Before it's time to get
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to the flooring portion.
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And by then you're past
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the 30 days,
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you can probe the slab
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and do your RH test.
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So it's three
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for the first thousand,
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one 4000 after that.
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And since this underlayment,
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when we're doing those problems,
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we're going to probe
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into the slab itself, 40%,
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not into the underlying,
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but it allows you the time,
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it speeds up
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the whole cycle of the building process
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so that the slab is ready for you
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when it is time to do the flooring.
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So you mentioned the word there.
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I want to talk about Benchmark.
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So let's say as in house
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is 1500 square feet
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first floor, it's concrete
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and it goes around the kitchen,
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goes around a wall and what have you.
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And it's
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you know, their areas are not level.
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How do you know that
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you're getting it all that when you
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when do you know when to stop pouring
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or when
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do you know that you've got it level?
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Is are there benchmarks
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you put out there you do you use a level
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and mark them how do you do this?
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So there's a number of different ways
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you can do it
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and it all depends on
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on the structure itself.
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So let's take the example that you gave
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where you have different rooms
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and there isn't an architect
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that tells you
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you have to set a benchmark
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because there isn't,
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let's say, an elevator,
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as you might find in a high rise building
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where that is an absolute
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benchmarked level that has to be met.
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So then you can decide
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that you make the floor flat
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instead of level in.
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The difference between flat
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and level
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is exactly
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what I just showed you with my hands
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and my arms.
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Local modulations versus a slope.
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Okay.
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If you only need flatness,
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you can you can decide.
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You can pick
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a benchmark on a wall
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that can be measured by a laser.
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It can be measured by a
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some type of a hydraulic system.
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We have something
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called the negative comp
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where you put a story, pull down
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and it gives you a digital
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reading versus
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someplace else on the floor.
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And then there's
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the super old fashioned way,
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which is you can decide
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as long as you're
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putting enough material down
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to cover your highest spot,
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you don't want to spend a lot of time
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being precise, measuring,
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as long as you put enough material down
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that you know
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you're covering the highest spot, you can
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then take something
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called the gauge rake,
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which just as the name
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implies, that's
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no different than any other type
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of mechanical gauge mechanism.
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And you pull the material
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and it comes to the pre-set thickness.
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The chance that you're taking there
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is that you didn't
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put it enough material down
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to cover your highest point on the floor.
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What were those little things
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you used in the school
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you were showing us?
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They were they look like a golf tee.
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That they look like a golf tee.
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And they are we call them level pegs.
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The the older way of of marking down
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the measurement
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that you made with your laser
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would be a pin that was shot
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and Engram said style
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where you shot it through the floor
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so that you had a piece of metal
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sticking up from the floor
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that you
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then clipped with a pair of pliers along
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some notches.
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We've made the process
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a lot easier and a lot of other
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people have to.
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You used a plastic level peg
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that is marked like a little ruler.
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The ones that we use
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are either
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three inches or four inches high
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and they've got an adhesive
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on the bottom.
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It's a cheap T-shaped item,
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so the base is the short end of the tee,
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and then you have the little ruler
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coming up from the top
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glues right down to the floor.
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And especially if you've tried before,
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they stick tenaciously
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and then you simply can just cut them
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right on the pre marked settings.
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The first time I ever did one
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of these, I came out of being a carpenter
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for four years or an apprentice
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and it turned out to be a journeyman.
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And I did a floor
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where I had a level level of the floor
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or a flat in the floor, we'll say.
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And we shot we use a laser and shot
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grade on it, you know what I mean?
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And that was the old fashioned way
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of swinging around and shooting grade.
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Find the high point
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whatever is so much easier
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now than than it was back in the day.
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It was effective. It worked, obviously.
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But your system now is pretty damn slick
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and so much easier to use.
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And just then
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it just really takes all the stress
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out of doing this type of work.
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Rob Watch
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now while I break both their hearts.
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Watch me break both their hearts.
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Rob And you're sure
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they should zoom in on them both because.
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This is going to get at least halfway?
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Well, I think this is good.
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Okay, here we go. You guys.
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You guys both out of the Bronx.
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Fight for.
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The brook.
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Okay? All right.
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No, no, don't.
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Oh, no, no, you can't say.
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Well, Brooklyn, Bronx, same thing.
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So
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that island is the same thing.
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Okay.
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All right.
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For all you New Yorkers,
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I have it on very, very good authority.
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And I thought for the
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for the longest time
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that the best pizza was
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was made in New York.
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And I watched the Netflix special
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and realize
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and learned that the best pizza
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being made today
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and I include Italy food
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anywhere in the world today
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the best pizza is made in
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Phenix, Arizona.
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I saw the documentary, Frankie,
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let me go first
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and then you can stop, please. Okay,
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let's clarify something first.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Pizza is thought of as an Italian food.
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It was invented by Italians in Brooklyn.
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So, I mean, sure, you could do
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remakes and retake,
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but let let let's keep that in mind.
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I saw the same special on Netflix.
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Yeah,
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it was a nice documentary,
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if you like four layers
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of artichokes
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done in the Arizona Sun,
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specifically 105 degrees
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so that you can get your
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your artisan hipster feel.
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It's a great piece of pizza.
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If you want to enjoy a piece of pizza,
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come to Frank in my neighborhood
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and have some pizza.
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I already invited Wayne over.
576
00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:49,141
Next time he comes,
577
00:16:49,141 --> 00:16:51,877
we're going to do a tour of every
578
00:16:52,111 --> 00:16:53,112
not only pizzeria,
579
00:16:53,112 --> 00:16:54,947
but every salon Maria in the area
580
00:16:54,947 --> 00:16:57,149
so he could taste what real food and real
581
00:16:57,149 --> 00:16:58,350
living is like.
582
00:16:58,350 --> 00:17:00,185
This is why this little potbelly
583
00:17:00,185 --> 00:17:01,987
that'll never go away.
584
00:17:01,987 --> 00:17:02,955
Okay.
585
00:17:02,955 --> 00:17:04,390
May make sure you get him a
586
00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:05,657
real bagel, too.
587
00:17:07,159 --> 00:17:09,061
We have one of the fellows on the
588
00:17:09,061 --> 00:17:09,595
on the team.
589
00:17:09,595 --> 00:17:10,863
Bill Urban lives in Chicago,
590
00:17:10,863 --> 00:17:11,730
and he's constantly
591
00:17:11,730 --> 00:17:12,765
trying to tell me
592
00:17:12,765 --> 00:17:13,766
that deep dish
593
00:17:13,766 --> 00:17:15,667
pizza is better than New York
594
00:17:15,667 --> 00:17:16,268
style pizza.
595
00:17:16,268 --> 00:17:16,969
First of all,
596
00:17:16,969 --> 00:17:18,003
if it's in a deep pan
597
00:17:18,003 --> 00:17:19,004
like that, it's a casserole.
598
00:17:19,004 --> 00:17:20,572
It's not a pizza
599
00:17:20,973 --> 00:17:24,276
with your hands or disqualified.
600
00:17:25,377 --> 00:17:26,612
Bread lasagna yourself.
601
00:17:26,612 --> 00:17:27,913
Well, something weird.
602
00:17:27,913 --> 00:17:30,516
Well, Joe, you're you're it's interesting
603
00:17:30,516 --> 00:17:33,719
because the guy, Chris Bianco, is the
604
00:17:33,719 --> 00:17:35,921
is a guy in Phenix, Arizona,
605
00:17:36,188 --> 00:17:37,556
that opened that restaurant there.
606
00:17:37,556 --> 00:17:40,059
And but
607
00:17:40,059 --> 00:17:41,460
he is a New York guy.
608
00:17:41,460 --> 00:17:45,397
He is from New York and actually a baby.
609
00:17:45,397 --> 00:17:46,131
So damn hungry
610
00:17:46,131 --> 00:17:48,233
watching that show about it was,
611
00:17:48,233 --> 00:17:48,834
oh, my God,
612
00:17:48,834 --> 00:17:50,536
the pizza was at the elevated.
613
00:17:50,536 --> 00:17:52,337
You know, it used to be fast food.
614
00:17:52,337 --> 00:17:54,573
It was elevated on a whole nother level.
615
00:17:55,007 --> 00:17:56,041
So I now I'm aware.
616
00:17:56,041 --> 00:17:57,042
After all
617
00:17:57,042 --> 00:17:57,576
kidding aside,
618
00:17:57,576 --> 00:17:59,078
I saw the documentary and it looked
619
00:17:59,078 --> 00:18:00,212
it looked amazing.
620
00:18:00,212 --> 00:18:02,614
It's fun to have fun and much love
621
00:18:03,182 --> 00:18:05,150
to the residents of Arizona.
622
00:18:05,150 --> 00:18:06,785
Yeah, no doubt.
623
00:18:06,785 --> 00:18:07,519
All it's all about
624
00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:09,121
using the writing ingredients.
625
00:18:09,121 --> 00:18:10,689
If you use that stuff, it's not going
626
00:18:10,689 --> 00:18:12,558
to be as good. Yeah.
627
00:18:13,759 --> 00:18:14,293
That's it.
628
00:18:14,293 --> 00:18:14,526
Yeah.
629
00:18:14,526 --> 00:18:17,096
And the water does make a difference.
630
00:18:17,096 --> 00:18:18,797
Oh, yeah, that's weird.
631
00:18:18,797 --> 00:18:21,333
It, it and the grain to
632
00:18:21,333 --> 00:18:22,367
that you make the flour out of.
633
00:18:22,367 --> 00:18:24,470
I was surprised man.
634
00:18:24,470 --> 00:18:27,239
Anyhow, I'm sorry.
635
00:18:27,239 --> 00:18:29,575
So, Joseph, what does
636
00:18:29,842 --> 00:18:33,579
what does a successful project look like?
637
00:18:33,579 --> 00:18:34,646
So I'm going to repeat something
638
00:18:34,646 --> 00:18:35,514
that I said before.
639
00:18:35,514 --> 00:18:37,816
The process looks boring, right?
640
00:18:38,851 --> 00:18:41,253
I'll take it through very, very quickly.
641
00:18:42,254 --> 00:18:44,123
Material. Material arrives.
642
00:18:44,123 --> 00:18:45,090
It gets mixed either
643
00:18:45,090 --> 00:18:47,726
by hand in specialty mixers, like pro
644
00:18:47,793 --> 00:18:49,928
mixed stations that we make or hippos
645
00:18:49,928 --> 00:18:52,998
or it gets pumped, the material comes out
646
00:18:53,265 --> 00:18:56,101
in a very liquid flow able phase.
647
00:18:56,668 --> 00:19:00,539
When it lays out, it lays out flat
648
00:19:00,973 --> 00:19:02,708
where you can sort of tilt your head
649
00:19:02,708 --> 00:19:04,143
and just look at the reflection
650
00:19:04,143 --> 00:19:05,544
of a light when it's still wet.
651
00:19:05,544 --> 00:19:06,645
It's not a reflective surface,
652
00:19:06,645 --> 00:19:08,280
obviously, once it dries
653
00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,450
and then once it dries, you have flatness
654
00:19:11,450 --> 00:19:15,888
levels that far exceed what was specified
655
00:19:15,888 --> 00:19:17,723
for the concrete slab
656
00:19:17,723 --> 00:19:20,492
or for the wooden substrate.
657
00:19:20,492 --> 00:19:22,327
And you have a durable surface
658
00:19:22,327 --> 00:19:23,762
that can be walked on
659
00:19:23,762 --> 00:19:24,663
that the
660
00:19:24,663 --> 00:19:25,764
that the flooring trades
661
00:19:25,764 --> 00:19:27,933
can then put any kind of floor
662
00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,570
and any kind of adhesive
663
00:19:32,304 --> 00:19:33,539
prep, preferably bona
664
00:19:34,740 --> 00:19:37,276
and that that and it will work
665
00:19:37,976 --> 00:19:40,612
so the successful project makes
666
00:19:40,612 --> 00:19:42,080
the makes
667
00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,149
the installer of the flooring feel
668
00:19:44,149 --> 00:19:46,051
like they are going over
669
00:19:46,051 --> 00:19:48,120
the easiest floor
670
00:19:48,287 --> 00:19:49,021
that they've had
671
00:19:49,021 --> 00:19:50,756
the easiest substrate
672
00:19:50,756 --> 00:19:53,425
that they've ever had to work with.
673
00:19:53,425 --> 00:19:54,126
There's
674
00:19:54,126 --> 00:19:56,695
nothing worse than fighting a subfloor,
675
00:19:57,362 --> 00:19:57,996
you know what?
676
00:19:57,996 --> 00:20:00,632
And that that paying of regret
677
00:20:01,166 --> 00:20:02,768
that and I should have
678
00:20:02,768 --> 00:20:04,002
I should have leveled this or
679
00:20:04,002 --> 00:20:05,070
and I keep saying
680
00:20:05,070 --> 00:20:06,371
leveled in really in our industry,
681
00:20:06,371 --> 00:20:08,507
we really should say flat, right?
682
00:20:08,507 --> 00:20:09,341
I mean, we're often
683
00:20:09,341 --> 00:20:10,676
not trying to get to subfloor level
684
00:20:10,676 --> 00:20:11,243
and that can
685
00:20:11,243 --> 00:20:11,677
that work
686
00:20:11,677 --> 00:20:13,345
can get you in a lot of trouble.
687
00:20:13,345 --> 00:20:15,013
So in contracts and stuff like that,
688
00:20:15,013 --> 00:20:15,380
I think we're
689
00:20:15,380 --> 00:20:16,949
probably better to say flat,
690
00:20:16,949 --> 00:20:18,817
but there's, there's
691
00:20:18,817 --> 00:20:19,484
anybody who's ever
692
00:20:19,484 --> 00:20:21,820
had the paying of regret that man that's
693
00:20:21,853 --> 00:20:24,122
I just wish that we spent more
694
00:20:24,122 --> 00:20:25,224
time on the substrate.
695
00:20:26,391 --> 00:20:27,326
You know, if you look at
696
00:20:27,326 --> 00:20:28,060
the cost of this
697
00:20:28,060 --> 00:20:30,329
pretty inexpensive way to do it
698
00:20:30,329 --> 00:20:32,965
and and and it sets you up for success.
699
00:20:33,565 --> 00:20:34,166
There's nothing worse
700
00:20:34,166 --> 00:20:35,133
than starting to rubbish
701
00:20:35,133 --> 00:20:37,202
finding out is of subfloor.
702
00:20:37,202 --> 00:20:37,502
It is
703
00:20:37,502 --> 00:20:39,671
houses are apparently
704
00:20:39,671 --> 00:20:40,806
trashed and destroyed
705
00:20:40,806 --> 00:20:43,442
because of years of neglect.
706
00:20:43,442 --> 00:20:45,410
So he's having to have that redone.
707
00:20:45,410 --> 00:20:47,012
I can't wait to do it.
708
00:20:47,012 --> 00:20:47,746
Yeah.
709
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:48,647
As Frank,
710
00:20:48,647 --> 00:20:50,515
I was like a little kid at the class.
711
00:20:50,515 --> 00:20:51,583
I was like, Oh my God,
712
00:20:51,583 --> 00:20:53,051
this is going to be awesome.
713
00:20:53,051 --> 00:20:55,153
I'm going to be the man,
714
00:20:56,154 --> 00:20:56,488
right?
715
00:20:56,688 --> 00:20:58,257
Joe, what?
716
00:20:58,257 --> 00:21:03,428
What are some of your no go substrates?
717
00:21:03,428 --> 00:21:05,564
We're constantly reevaluating what
718
00:21:05,564 --> 00:21:06,531
our no goals are.
719
00:21:06,531 --> 00:21:08,834
So up until very recently
720
00:21:08,834 --> 00:21:09,601
we said
721
00:21:09,601 --> 00:21:12,437
that dumb rubber like sound matched
722
00:21:13,405 --> 00:21:15,040
our no go to go over
723
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,610
because you're putting a a stiff material
724
00:21:18,610 --> 00:21:20,479
with high strength over
725
00:21:20,479 --> 00:21:22,614
something that's compressible
726
00:21:22,614 --> 00:21:24,583
but we did feel testing and lab testing
727
00:21:24,583 --> 00:21:26,685
and we found that in many cases
728
00:21:26,685 --> 00:21:27,886
you can actually go over
729
00:21:27,886 --> 00:21:29,121
some of these sound mats.
730
00:21:30,255 --> 00:21:30,989
However,
731
00:21:30,989 --> 00:21:33,025
that that is one of the original no goes,
732
00:21:33,191 --> 00:21:37,629
the real no go if any if any substrate
733
00:21:38,063 --> 00:21:42,067
has a flakey powdery feel to it,
734
00:21:42,301 --> 00:21:45,470
where no matter how far into it you dig,
735
00:21:46,371 --> 00:21:48,974
you keep getting powder.
736
00:21:48,974 --> 00:21:50,275
That would be one.
737
00:21:50,275 --> 00:21:51,109
And it's not even that.
738
00:21:51,109 --> 00:21:52,077
It's a no go,
739
00:21:52,077 --> 00:21:53,445
but that would be one that you would
740
00:21:53,445 --> 00:21:54,046
either use
741
00:21:54,046 --> 00:21:56,648
a specialized material or laugh.
742
00:21:57,416 --> 00:21:59,451
But we don't have any real no goes.
743
00:21:59,451 --> 00:22:01,753
We just have special processes
744
00:22:01,753 --> 00:22:03,388
and cautions
745
00:22:03,388 --> 00:22:06,091
for even the the
746
00:22:06,124 --> 00:22:07,526
the hardest applications.
747
00:22:07,526 --> 00:22:09,594
And if I can do just,
748
00:22:09,628 --> 00:22:11,930
just a little bit of a specific job,
749
00:22:11,930 --> 00:22:13,031
we're in the process
750
00:22:13,031 --> 00:22:15,467
of doing the Waldorf-Astoria
751
00:22:16,201 --> 00:22:19,338
at multiple inches thick.
752
00:22:19,338 --> 00:22:21,640
The original Waldorf in New York.
753
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,343
And it was deemed that this was a
754
00:22:24,343 --> 00:22:26,545
no go substrate.
755
00:22:26,545 --> 00:22:27,846
And we went
756
00:22:27,846 --> 00:22:29,181
and we evaluated
757
00:22:29,181 --> 00:22:31,316
and we tried three different ways
758
00:22:31,316 --> 00:22:33,318
of doing it, two different primers
759
00:22:33,318 --> 00:22:34,686
with different thicknesses,
760
00:22:34,686 --> 00:22:36,722
and also using laugh and not laugh.
761
00:22:37,022 --> 00:22:38,724
And we actually found that given
762
00:22:38,724 --> 00:22:39,891
the thickness
763
00:22:39,891 --> 00:22:40,992
this substrate
764
00:22:40,992 --> 00:22:42,994
that was powdery and chalky
765
00:22:43,261 --> 00:22:45,030
and I don't know how many
766
00:22:45,030 --> 00:22:47,132
decades or a century old
767
00:22:48,166 --> 00:22:50,035
with sleepers
768
00:22:50,035 --> 00:22:52,070
embedded in it, with metal track
769
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:53,505
embedded in it,
770
00:22:53,505 --> 00:22:54,840
we found that with the right
771
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,975
combination of primer and thickness,
772
00:22:57,209 --> 00:22:59,711
it ended up being a no go.
773
00:22:59,711 --> 00:23:01,113
And it's been a year
774
00:23:01,113 --> 00:23:04,082
and that project is still going awesome.
775
00:23:04,416 --> 00:23:05,550
It wound up being a go
776
00:23:05,550 --> 00:23:07,586
is what you meant to say.
777
00:23:07,586 --> 00:23:08,787
Not a no go.
778
00:23:08,787 --> 00:23:09,488
Right,
779
00:23:10,288 --> 00:23:10,522
so.
780
00:23:10,522 --> 00:23:11,590
And I'm happy
781
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:12,624
Rob brought up the question
782
00:23:12,624 --> 00:23:13,592
about the substrates.
783
00:23:13,592 --> 00:23:15,327
We've been talking a lot about cement
784
00:23:15,327 --> 00:23:16,795
or going over cement,
785
00:23:16,795 --> 00:23:18,263
but you can go over plywood
786
00:23:18,263 --> 00:23:20,799
because a lot of these renovations,
787
00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:22,801
these homes, they're made of wood.
788
00:23:22,801 --> 00:23:24,069
And we've all been there
789
00:23:24,069 --> 00:23:25,670
where we had to demo the whole thing
790
00:23:25,670 --> 00:23:26,605
down to the studs
791
00:23:26,605 --> 00:23:28,640
and try and level everything up
792
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:29,841
and then put the plywood down
793
00:23:29,841 --> 00:23:30,575
and all that wood.
794
00:23:30,575 --> 00:23:32,611
You can go directly over plywood.
795
00:23:32,611 --> 00:23:33,311
Kenya
796
00:23:33,512 --> 00:23:34,379
We have a product
797
00:23:34,379 --> 00:23:34,913
where you can go
798
00:23:34,913 --> 00:23:36,348
directly over plywood,
799
00:23:36,348 --> 00:23:38,216
as little as a quarter inch,
800
00:23:38,216 --> 00:23:39,184
no lath, no
801
00:23:39,184 --> 00:23:41,887
mesh, nothing, no mechanical attachments.
802
00:23:42,287 --> 00:23:44,623
And it works very, very well.
803
00:23:44,890 --> 00:23:46,758
We can also go over wood
804
00:23:46,758 --> 00:23:48,126
that's even more challenging
805
00:23:48,126 --> 00:23:49,661
than exterior grade plywood.
806
00:23:49,661 --> 00:23:51,963
We can go over OSB,
807
00:23:52,531 --> 00:23:54,933
and I'm not going to mention any brands,
808
00:23:54,933 --> 00:23:55,667
but there's a
809
00:23:55,667 --> 00:23:57,102
there's a brand of OSB
810
00:23:57,102 --> 00:23:58,804
that's totally waterproof
811
00:23:58,804 --> 00:24:00,105
that many people say
812
00:24:00,105 --> 00:24:01,339
you should not go over
813
00:24:01,339 --> 00:24:03,608
because it's so non absorbent
814
00:24:03,608 --> 00:24:04,876
and we can go over that.
815
00:24:04,876 --> 00:24:05,377
So yeah,
816
00:24:05,377 --> 00:24:05,644
we do
817
00:24:05,644 --> 00:24:06,812
a lot of testing over
818
00:24:06,812 --> 00:24:09,781
a lot of different substrates.
819
00:24:09,781 --> 00:24:11,183
So if I get a
820
00:24:11,183 --> 00:24:12,350
somebody does
821
00:24:12,350 --> 00:24:14,419
because I know we've run into this a lot
822
00:24:14,419 --> 00:24:15,654
and we have to,
823
00:24:15,654 --> 00:24:16,021
you know,
824
00:24:16,021 --> 00:24:17,622
do all sorts of build up of plywood
825
00:24:17,622 --> 00:24:18,590
and everything,
826
00:24:18,590 --> 00:24:19,925
somebody puts an additional on
827
00:24:19,925 --> 00:24:23,762
and we've got a three quarter inch gap
828
00:24:23,762 --> 00:24:25,697
between the addition
829
00:24:25,697 --> 00:24:26,998
and the other subfloor.
830
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,236
We could ramp your stuff.
831
00:24:31,236 --> 00:24:33,872
We make patching and ramping materials.
832
00:24:33,872 --> 00:24:35,941
So as the name implies,
833
00:24:35,941 --> 00:24:37,108
even though it's not level,
834
00:24:37,108 --> 00:24:39,144
they are self leveling well,
835
00:24:39,144 --> 00:24:40,445
they're self flattening,
836
00:24:40,445 --> 00:24:42,147
so they don't like to keep a ramp.
837
00:24:42,147 --> 00:24:44,649
The self-leveling materials,
838
00:24:44,649 --> 00:24:46,451
maybe they'll keep a quarter
839
00:24:46,451 --> 00:24:48,153
inch every ten feet,
840
00:24:48,153 --> 00:24:50,589
but they want to go towards flatness.
841
00:24:51,122 --> 00:24:53,458
However, we have trolleybus patches
842
00:24:53,992 --> 00:24:56,862
and trolleybus skim coats and repair
843
00:24:56,862 --> 00:24:59,164
materials that can be ramped up
844
00:25:00,332 --> 00:25:01,800
to a core
845
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,001
three quarters of an inch,
846
00:25:03,001 --> 00:25:03,969
inch, two inches,
847
00:25:03,969 --> 00:25:06,338
whatever you need in a shorter space
848
00:25:06,371 --> 00:25:08,673
possible to make that ramp.
849
00:25:08,673 --> 00:25:10,876
You know what I'd like to do?
850
00:25:10,876 --> 00:25:12,110
You know, we're going to do another
851
00:25:12,110 --> 00:25:13,712
ladder, create school
852
00:25:13,712 --> 00:25:15,280
coming up in December,
853
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,282
first week of December and Texas.
854
00:25:17,983 --> 00:25:19,584
I would really like to build
855
00:25:19,584 --> 00:25:21,586
a small panel where we had that
856
00:25:22,521 --> 00:25:23,788
difference, that three core,
857
00:25:23,788 --> 00:25:25,690
because that's one of the things
858
00:25:25,690 --> 00:25:26,525
that a lot of floor
859
00:25:26,525 --> 00:25:28,560
guys have run into
860
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,529
is, you know, trying to build that ramp.
861
00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:31,796
And if it's that simple,
862
00:25:31,796 --> 00:25:33,265
where we could just
863
00:25:33,265 --> 00:25:35,734
spread a patch and then glue over it,
864
00:25:35,901 --> 00:25:38,136
my gosh, that would be amazing.
865
00:25:38,136 --> 00:25:38,870
I'd like to show
866
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:40,539
that at one of our schools.
867
00:25:40,539 --> 00:25:41,506
We discussed
868
00:25:41,506 --> 00:25:42,641
after the last school
869
00:25:42,641 --> 00:25:44,776
about teaching guys how to ramp material
870
00:25:44,843 --> 00:25:46,478
and maybe polish the material
871
00:25:46,478 --> 00:25:47,646
or even
872
00:25:47,646 --> 00:25:48,713
how to make a screed
873
00:25:48,713 --> 00:25:50,582
so that they could pull the material
874
00:25:50,582 --> 00:25:52,250
and leave enough gaps
875
00:25:52,250 --> 00:25:54,085
so that the finished flooring is flush
876
00:25:54,085 --> 00:25:55,921
with the adjacent area.
877
00:25:55,921 --> 00:25:57,222
So I think that's one of the things
878
00:25:57,222 --> 00:25:59,190
we're going to talk about at school.
879
00:25:59,190 --> 00:26:00,091
Number two,
880
00:26:00,091 --> 00:26:01,860
and do we want to talk about that at all?
881
00:26:01,860 --> 00:26:02,027
I mean.
882
00:26:02,027 --> 00:26:03,695
We're yeah, we're
883
00:26:03,695 --> 00:26:05,897
that's that's why we had Joe on.
884
00:26:06,031 --> 00:26:07,198
So what's going on?
885
00:26:07,198 --> 00:26:07,666
I mean, Joe,
886
00:26:07,666 --> 00:26:08,633
do you want to kick it off
887
00:26:08,633 --> 00:26:10,769
and explain what what this is all about?
888
00:26:11,770 --> 00:26:12,737
So
889
00:26:13,305 --> 00:26:15,240
somebody used the word synergy before,
890
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,108
and that's exactly what it is.
891
00:26:17,108 --> 00:26:18,610
The two companies sort of
892
00:26:18,610 --> 00:26:19,744
have come together
893
00:26:19,744 --> 00:26:20,378
in a way where
894
00:26:20,378 --> 00:26:22,180
we've found a lot of common ground.
895
00:26:22,180 --> 00:26:23,148
And one of the best things
896
00:26:23,148 --> 00:26:24,482
that we found that we could offer
897
00:26:24,482 --> 00:26:26,918
the industry is combined training
898
00:26:27,218 --> 00:26:30,322
between the expertize that we have in
899
00:26:30,322 --> 00:26:32,290
in creating good substrates
900
00:26:32,290 --> 00:26:33,692
for final flooring
901
00:26:33,692 --> 00:26:36,361
and oh my God, I was blown away
902
00:26:36,528 --> 00:26:38,763
by how good you guys are,
903
00:26:39,331 --> 00:26:42,634
not only technically and technologically,
904
00:26:42,767 --> 00:26:44,102
but your skill set
905
00:26:44,102 --> 00:26:45,770
for putting down a wood floor
906
00:26:45,770 --> 00:26:48,239
and making it look amazing.
907
00:26:48,340 --> 00:26:49,174
I almost dropped
908
00:26:49,174 --> 00:26:50,442
some Brooklynites in there
909
00:26:50,442 --> 00:26:52,844
because it's I'm not exaggerating, guys.
910
00:26:53,144 --> 00:26:55,280
I was truly impressed
911
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,415
watching the whole process
912
00:26:57,415 --> 00:27:00,518
from glue to placement of floor
913
00:27:00,685 --> 00:27:04,656
to joining of edges to to the finishing.
914
00:27:04,656 --> 00:27:06,891
And I mean, it was to somebody
915
00:27:06,891 --> 00:27:07,559
who knows
916
00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:08,960
flooring from a little bit
917
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,662
of a more functional perspective
918
00:27:10,662 --> 00:27:12,764
which is which is what I know
919
00:27:12,764 --> 00:27:14,132
to watching the magic
920
00:27:14,132 --> 00:27:15,533
that you guys do with wood.
921
00:27:15,533 --> 00:27:17,402
It was it was impressive.
922
00:27:17,402 --> 00:27:20,305
So now that we've blown smoke into
923
00:27:20,305 --> 00:27:21,940
our nostrils on
924
00:27:23,274 --> 00:27:25,176
we we had
925
00:27:25,176 --> 00:27:26,678
this training that
926
00:27:26,678 --> 00:27:28,613
we both got to show off
927
00:27:28,613 --> 00:27:30,615
our areas of expertize.
928
00:27:30,982 --> 00:27:35,754
And we were able to go from the substrate
929
00:27:36,254 --> 00:27:36,955
all the way up
930
00:27:36,955 --> 00:27:38,757
through to the final finished floor
931
00:27:38,757 --> 00:27:40,291
in a in a three day,
932
00:27:40,291 --> 00:27:42,827
very comprehensive training course.
933
00:27:42,827 --> 00:27:44,863
That was that was hands on.
934
00:27:44,863 --> 00:27:46,865
And we learned a lot from it.
935
00:27:46,865 --> 00:27:48,700
And the next one is in Texas
936
00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:50,669
in the beginning of December.
937
00:27:50,669 --> 00:27:51,936
I'm not going to give the dates
938
00:27:51,936 --> 00:27:53,705
because I'm not sure if we're 100%
939
00:27:53,705 --> 00:27:55,373
set on the dates,
940
00:27:55,373 --> 00:27:56,541
but it's going to be
941
00:27:56,541 --> 00:27:57,976
in the beginning of December.
942
00:27:57,976 --> 00:28:00,111
And we learned a lot from the first one.
943
00:28:00,111 --> 00:28:01,813
We learned things that we can do better,
944
00:28:01,813 --> 00:28:03,248
like showing off the fact
945
00:28:03,248 --> 00:28:05,650
that we can do ramping
946
00:28:06,117 --> 00:28:09,254
and making an even more
947
00:28:11,022 --> 00:28:12,390
all encompassing environment
948
00:28:12,390 --> 00:28:14,359
where every single contractor that's
949
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,026
there
950
00:28:15,026 --> 00:28:18,730
is going to get their hands on a tool of
951
00:28:18,897 --> 00:28:21,433
four for the self-leveling, for the patch
952
00:28:21,433 --> 00:28:23,268
and the ramping and the skimming.
953
00:28:23,268 --> 00:28:24,803
And of course,
954
00:28:24,803 --> 00:28:26,838
everything you guys have done all along
955
00:28:27,672 --> 00:28:31,309
with with your partners.
956
00:28:31,309 --> 00:28:31,609
Yeah.
957
00:28:31,609 --> 00:28:33,511
And I don't want to
958
00:28:33,511 --> 00:28:34,379
be a stickler here,
959
00:28:34,379 --> 00:28:35,847
but I was the one to use
960
00:28:35,847 --> 00:28:37,148
the word synergy.
961
00:28:37,148 --> 00:28:39,451
Now, not a big deal.
962
00:28:40,085 --> 00:28:41,720
All right, fine, fine.
963
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:42,187
Okay.
964
00:28:43,188 --> 00:28:44,222
So, Joe,
965
00:28:44,222 --> 00:28:45,090
when does it make sense
966
00:28:45,090 --> 00:28:46,224
to use a self-leveling
967
00:28:46,224 --> 00:28:51,663
versus a travel skim coat or a patch?
968
00:28:51,663 --> 00:28:53,098
That one is actually an easier
969
00:28:53,098 --> 00:28:54,432
one than most people think
970
00:28:54,432 --> 00:28:55,033
because there seems to be
971
00:28:55,033 --> 00:28:55,867
a lot of confusion.
972
00:28:55,867 --> 00:28:57,068
Well, when do I switch over?
973
00:28:57,068 --> 00:28:58,369
Why do I need to travel?
974
00:28:58,369 --> 00:28:58,903
You know,
975
00:28:58,970 --> 00:29:00,205
and it's not a function
976
00:29:00,205 --> 00:29:02,240
of what the floor,
977
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:03,842
you know, some great big mystery.
978
00:29:03,842 --> 00:29:05,543
Now it's simply this
979
00:29:05,543 --> 00:29:07,879
if you've got a piece of plywood
980
00:29:07,879 --> 00:29:09,547
that's as a substrate,
981
00:29:09,547 --> 00:29:10,949
that's pretty good.
982
00:29:10,949 --> 00:29:12,417
But you just need to skim
983
00:29:12,417 --> 00:29:13,351
over the top of it
984
00:29:13,351 --> 00:29:15,019
in a tiny fraction of an inch
985
00:29:15,019 --> 00:29:16,154
and a 16th of an inch
986
00:29:16,154 --> 00:29:17,555
where you want to pull something
987
00:29:17,555 --> 00:29:19,357
as tightly as possible.
988
00:29:19,357 --> 00:29:23,161
Go ahead and use a skim coat on that.
989
00:29:23,161 --> 00:29:25,563
If if you're looking for an ace or more
990
00:29:26,531 --> 00:29:28,433
and it's a larger space,
991
00:29:28,433 --> 00:29:30,401
generally it makes sense
992
00:29:30,401 --> 00:29:32,937
to go self-leveling.
993
00:29:32,937 --> 00:29:35,640
But what you generally don't need to have
994
00:29:35,807 --> 00:29:37,041
to worry about anything
995
00:29:37,041 --> 00:29:38,810
transferring through the wood, right?
996
00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:40,411
It's not going to telegraph through.
997
00:29:40,411 --> 00:29:42,447
But when they're doing a carpet
998
00:29:42,881 --> 00:29:44,249
or especially a vinyl
999
00:29:44,249 --> 00:29:46,518
that's thin enough for a sheet vinyl,
1000
00:29:46,518 --> 00:29:47,585
that's when you would maybe
1001
00:29:47,585 --> 00:29:48,987
do multiple coats
1002
00:29:48,987 --> 00:29:50,755
of a skim coat type material.
1003
00:29:50,755 --> 00:29:52,023
So that that
1004
00:29:52,023 --> 00:29:53,358
grain of the wood floor
1005
00:29:53,358 --> 00:29:54,759
or the pattern of whatever's beneath
1006
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:57,796
it does not show through the floor.
1007
00:29:57,796 --> 00:29:59,164
And Rob wanted me to ask that,
1008
00:29:59,164 --> 00:30:00,865
but he was too embarrassed to ask.
1009
00:30:00,865 --> 00:30:01,866
So I
1010
00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:04,769
he texted it to me on the side.
1011
00:30:04,769 --> 00:30:05,603
I did not.
1012
00:30:05,603 --> 00:30:08,006
That's a lie, know. That's a lie.
1013
00:30:08,173 --> 00:30:09,107
How there is.
1014
00:30:09,107 --> 00:30:12,777
Too much fun.
1015
00:30:12,777 --> 00:30:14,913
I saw the pictures from the school.
1016
00:30:14,913 --> 00:30:16,381
I wanted to be there so bad.
1017
00:30:16,381 --> 00:30:17,715
And as you guys know
1018
00:30:17,715 --> 00:30:20,251
and Joe, may you not know as much as most
1019
00:30:20,451 --> 00:30:21,619
as much as these guys do,
1020
00:30:21,619 --> 00:30:23,688
but I'm very, very important
1021
00:30:23,688 --> 00:30:25,089
and I have so many places to go.
1022
00:30:25,089 --> 00:30:25,523
And
1023
00:30:26,057 --> 00:30:27,525
and if they can't land the helicopter
1024
00:30:27,525 --> 00:30:30,728
close by, I'm not showing up.
1025
00:30:30,728 --> 00:30:32,664
But I picked the pictures
1026
00:30:32,664 --> 00:30:34,799
from the school that you guys did
1027
00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:36,067
was phenomenal.
1028
00:30:36,067 --> 00:30:37,001
I mean, the turnout
1029
00:30:37,001 --> 00:30:38,102
you guys had the pictures.
1030
00:30:38,102 --> 00:30:40,071
You guys, I wish I was there so bad.
1031
00:30:40,071 --> 00:30:42,207
I won't miss the Texas school
1032
00:30:42,207 --> 00:30:42,874
because it looked like
1033
00:30:42,874 --> 00:30:43,942
just too much damn fun.
1034
00:30:43,942 --> 00:30:45,376
And you guys did the herringbone floor
1035
00:30:45,376 --> 00:30:47,512
that you alluded to when it was done.
1036
00:30:47,512 --> 00:30:48,646
And and
1037
00:30:49,848 --> 00:30:51,082
Michael Dittmar was there.
1038
00:30:51,082 --> 00:30:51,983
And Michael Dittmar
1039
00:30:51,983 --> 00:30:54,385
is such a great instructor.
1040
00:30:54,385 --> 00:30:56,654
He's such a great asset to any school
1041
00:30:56,654 --> 00:30:57,522
he goes to.
1042
00:30:57,522 --> 00:30:59,724
He just has nothing but value.
1043
00:30:59,724 --> 00:31:01,459
So with your guys expertize
1044
00:31:01,459 --> 00:31:02,393
and with Rob there
1045
00:31:02,393 --> 00:31:03,494
and helping with the sanding
1046
00:31:03,494 --> 00:31:05,396
and everything and his guidance
1047
00:31:05,396 --> 00:31:07,532
and and the Michael Dittmar
1048
00:31:07,732 --> 00:31:09,100
training the guys and,
1049
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:12,237
and I love the fact that okay,
1050
00:31:12,237 --> 00:31:13,738
so explain how to do a herringbone
1051
00:31:13,738 --> 00:31:15,306
and how to find exact center
1052
00:31:15,306 --> 00:31:16,541
of the herringbone floor.
1053
00:31:16,541 --> 00:31:17,609
Lay it out
1054
00:31:17,609 --> 00:31:18,509
and then take a power,
1055
00:31:18,509 --> 00:31:19,410
drive it in the race
1056
00:31:19,410 --> 00:31:21,012
all the marks off the floor
1057
00:31:21,012 --> 00:31:22,046
and then say, okay, now
1058
00:31:22,046 --> 00:31:23,414
you guys figure it out.
1059
00:31:23,414 --> 00:31:24,082
And then had
1060
00:31:24,082 --> 00:31:26,251
and everybody worked together as a team
1061
00:31:26,517 --> 00:31:27,986
and they got it done
1062
00:31:27,986 --> 00:31:28,853
and they and they
1063
00:31:28,853 --> 00:31:29,888
laid out the hearing bone.
1064
00:31:29,888 --> 00:31:31,322
It was 300 some odd square feet.
1065
00:31:31,322 --> 00:31:32,924
Rob, am I right?
1066
00:31:32,957 --> 00:31:33,825
Just yeah.
1067
00:31:33,825 --> 00:31:34,759
From that. Yeah.
1068
00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:36,327
And I just did that by
1069
00:31:36,327 --> 00:31:37,528
looking at the picture.
1070
00:31:37,528 --> 00:31:39,197
Well it's unbelievable who.
1071
00:31:39,197 --> 00:31:39,998
You are, who you are.
1072
00:31:39,998 --> 00:31:41,566
I mean, that's why you're a director
1073
00:31:41,566 --> 00:31:42,634
and we're not.
1074
00:31:42,634 --> 00:31:44,102
Thank you. Oh, well, you were director.
1075
00:31:45,303 --> 00:31:46,170
Speak for yourself.
1076
00:31:46,170 --> 00:31:48,139
I'm a director. You're director, too?
1077
00:31:48,139 --> 00:31:51,342
Oh, snap. Yeah. What?
1078
00:31:51,342 --> 00:31:52,076
I should be.
1079
00:31:52,076 --> 00:31:54,812
My pictures should be done with Frank
1080
00:31:54,812 --> 00:31:56,547
and my screen.
1081
00:31:56,547 --> 00:31:57,649
I'm up here.
1082
00:31:57,649 --> 00:31:59,918
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1083
00:31:59,984 --> 00:32:01,519
I'm actually level with Wayne,
1084
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:02,453
but he's my boss.
1085
00:32:02,453 --> 00:32:04,455
Yes, you're way above me.
1086
00:32:04,455 --> 00:32:04,956
Yeah.
1087
00:32:04,956 --> 00:32:05,890
So the self-leveling
1088
00:32:05,890 --> 00:32:07,025
rob of the way it worked out
1089
00:32:07,025 --> 00:32:11,029
is you level down in the screen.
1090
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:13,498
Okay, I get it, Joe.
1091
00:32:13,531 --> 00:32:14,732
I do have a question.
1092
00:32:14,732 --> 00:32:15,600
You know, God forbid
1093
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,135
I have a question about Self-Leveling,
1094
00:32:17,135 --> 00:32:19,370
but I do have one.
1095
00:32:19,771 --> 00:32:20,238
Let's say
1096
00:32:20,238 --> 00:32:23,541
I self level three quarters of an inch.
1097
00:32:23,541 --> 00:32:25,977
When can I get on and start going?
1098
00:32:25,977 --> 00:32:28,746
My Florida depending on the material
1099
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,850
you can go down as soon as 12 hours
1100
00:32:33,284 --> 00:32:35,520
on a moisture sensitive floor,
1101
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,056
a moisture insensitive floor like tile.
1102
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:39,223
You can go down
1103
00:32:39,223 --> 00:32:40,725
as soon as you can walk on it.
1104
00:32:40,725 --> 00:32:41,125
So let's
1105
00:32:41,125 --> 00:32:42,327
call it 3 hours
1106
00:32:42,327 --> 00:32:44,162
to be safe and conservative,
1107
00:32:44,162 --> 00:32:46,297
but even a moisture sensitive floor,
1108
00:32:46,497 --> 00:32:49,634
you can go over it in 12 hours or more
1109
00:32:49,701 --> 00:32:50,702
and it depends on the product.
1110
00:32:50,702 --> 00:32:52,770
Some are 12, some are 16 now.
1111
00:32:53,271 --> 00:32:54,672
Some are as much as 48.
1112
00:32:54,672 --> 00:32:55,273
But that's it.
1113
00:32:55,273 --> 00:32:56,040
That's the range.
1114
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,177
You're so you're within a day, even with.
1115
00:32:59,177 --> 00:33:00,511
Oh yeah.
1116
00:33:00,511 --> 00:33:02,413
Well yeah, even with what.
1117
00:33:02,413 --> 00:33:05,083
And we're not dependent on thickness.
1118
00:33:05,583 --> 00:33:06,751
And I say that
1119
00:33:06,751 --> 00:33:07,952
because it's important
1120
00:33:07,952 --> 00:33:08,486
to realize
1121
00:33:08,486 --> 00:33:10,688
that we're not depending on moisture
1122
00:33:10,688 --> 00:33:12,824
evaporating into the air.
1123
00:33:13,725 --> 00:33:15,626
There's an actual reaction
1124
00:33:15,626 --> 00:33:17,495
where the cement is getting harder
1125
00:33:17,495 --> 00:33:19,530
and it's using up its water.
1126
00:33:20,531 --> 00:33:21,199
So yeah,
1127
00:33:21,199 --> 00:33:22,567
it's going to be a little slower
1128
00:33:22,567 --> 00:33:24,369
if there's a lot of humidity.
1129
00:33:24,369 --> 00:33:25,703
But the thickness
1130
00:33:25,703 --> 00:33:27,839
because we're not depending on drying
1131
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:29,807
doesn't really increase
1132
00:33:29,807 --> 00:33:31,576
the amount of time
1133
00:33:31,576 --> 00:33:33,811
before you can put down a final floor.
1134
00:33:34,612 --> 00:33:35,980
That's interesting.
1135
00:33:35,980 --> 00:33:37,815
If I were going to do this in two lifts,
1136
00:33:37,815 --> 00:33:38,416
Joe, let's say
1137
00:33:38,416 --> 00:33:40,518
it was like inch and half or whatever,
1138
00:33:40,518 --> 00:33:42,653
and I decide to do this in two lifts.
1139
00:33:42,653 --> 00:33:43,621
We're actually number one.
1140
00:33:43,621 --> 00:33:44,956
Would that be the correct way to do it?
1141
00:33:44,956 --> 00:33:46,391
And number two,
1142
00:33:47,458 --> 00:33:50,194
how long would I have to wait between?
1143
00:33:50,194 --> 00:33:51,062
So
1144
00:33:52,263 --> 00:33:54,298
if you were asking me on a job site,
1145
00:33:54,298 --> 00:33:56,501
I would encourage you
1146
00:33:56,501 --> 00:33:58,803
to do it all in one lift
1147
00:33:58,803 --> 00:34:01,005
because it's simply easier that way.
1148
00:34:01,005 --> 00:34:02,306
You don't have two steps
1149
00:34:02,306 --> 00:34:04,375
and then we've got products.
1150
00:34:04,375 --> 00:34:05,877
It'll go up to three inches
1151
00:34:05,877 --> 00:34:07,678
if you need to pour more than three
1152
00:34:07,678 --> 00:34:09,747
inches. Yeah. You, there's no there's.
1153
00:34:09,747 --> 00:34:12,050
There's some, there's something going on.
1154
00:34:12,316 --> 00:34:14,919
There's something bad going on. Yeah.
1155
00:34:14,919 --> 00:34:16,320
But having said that,
1156
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,822
there is time some
1157
00:34:17,822 --> 00:34:19,957
sometimes you have to go in lifts,
1158
00:34:20,291 --> 00:34:22,226
let's say you've got two inches,
1159
00:34:22,226 --> 00:34:24,595
you may want to do an inch and a half
1160
00:34:25,563 --> 00:34:26,030
and then
1161
00:34:26,030 --> 00:34:26,197
if you
1162
00:34:26,197 --> 00:34:26,664
want to get a
1163
00:34:26,664 --> 00:34:29,734
super smooth, super flat surface,
1164
00:34:30,034 --> 00:34:32,203
it's much easier to control a half
1165
00:34:32,203 --> 00:34:36,607
inch pour than it is aa2 inch pour
1166
00:34:37,108 --> 00:34:37,542
because you've got
1167
00:34:37,542 --> 00:34:38,643
a lot of gravity there.
1168
00:34:38,643 --> 00:34:40,244
So then
1169
00:34:40,978 --> 00:34:41,312
go ahead.
1170
00:34:41,312 --> 00:34:42,380
You look like you want it to follow
1171
00:34:42,380 --> 00:34:43,581
what we're doing.
1172
00:34:43,581 --> 00:34:44,582
Let's say you're in Manhattan
1173
00:34:44,582 --> 00:34:45,917
and you're doing a penthouse apartment
1174
00:34:45,917 --> 00:34:46,951
or something
1175
00:34:46,951 --> 00:34:48,920
ultra high end with a lot of millwork
1176
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,522
and no base with a little half inch room
1177
00:34:51,556 --> 00:34:53,524
reveal around the entire apartment.
1178
00:34:53,524 --> 00:34:56,060
We'll do a report first.
1179
00:34:56,060 --> 00:34:58,129
We'll do the first lift.
1180
00:34:58,362 --> 00:35:01,466
Leave it a half inch low, paint it again,
1181
00:35:01,566 --> 00:35:02,700
and then
1182
00:35:02,834 --> 00:35:03,868
you'll hit those points
1183
00:35:03,868 --> 00:35:04,902
a little bit tighter.
1184
00:35:04,902 --> 00:35:06,070
If it's that critical.
1185
00:35:06,070 --> 00:35:06,871
But most of the time
1186
00:35:06,871 --> 00:35:08,072
you could do it in one.
1187
00:35:08,072 --> 00:35:09,107
But yeah,
1188
00:35:09,107 --> 00:35:09,440
to be able
1189
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,042
to pour that much thick in one
1190
00:35:11,042 --> 00:35:12,543
pass is awesome.
1191
00:35:12,543 --> 00:35:14,178
That's the nice thing too.
1192
00:35:14,178 --> 00:35:14,712
When you are
1193
00:35:14,712 --> 00:35:15,580
when you do have to go
1194
00:35:15,580 --> 00:35:16,047
in, layers are
1195
00:35:16,047 --> 00:35:18,116
where you want to go in layers.
1196
00:35:18,116 --> 00:35:20,852
If you get it within 6 hours
1197
00:35:21,419 --> 00:35:24,789
of the initial pour, you can do it
1198
00:35:24,789 --> 00:35:26,324
without using primer
1199
00:35:26,324 --> 00:35:27,825
between the two layers.
1200
00:35:27,825 --> 00:35:28,593
Look.
1201
00:35:28,593 --> 00:35:30,261
Maybe even as much as 8 hours
1202
00:35:30,261 --> 00:35:31,796
depending on the temperature.
1203
00:35:31,796 --> 00:35:33,931
Nice. It's easy.
1204
00:35:33,931 --> 00:35:35,066
Yeah, guys.
1205
00:35:35,066 --> 00:35:37,368
So, you know, like I said,
1206
00:35:38,369 --> 00:35:39,270
for guys that don't do
1207
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:40,638
a lot of self leveling
1208
00:35:40,638 --> 00:35:42,640
and are concerned about it and, you know,
1209
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,108
don't do a lot of slab work
1210
00:35:44,108 --> 00:35:45,743
or whatever and get on the job
1211
00:35:45,743 --> 00:35:47,178
especially, you know,
1212
00:35:47,178 --> 00:35:48,012
look what's in style
1213
00:35:48,012 --> 00:35:49,347
now, these herringbone floors
1214
00:35:49,347 --> 00:35:49,714
and that's why
1215
00:35:49,714 --> 00:35:51,616
we did a herringbone at the school.
1216
00:35:51,616 --> 00:35:52,817
Herringbone floors are
1217
00:35:52,817 --> 00:35:53,851
very much in style.
1218
00:35:53,851 --> 00:35:55,987
Chevron floors are very much in style.
1219
00:35:55,987 --> 00:35:56,687
God help
1220
00:35:56,687 --> 00:35:57,355
you lay
1221
00:35:57,355 --> 00:35:58,890
one of those floors on a substrate
1222
00:35:58,890 --> 00:36:00,391
that's not flat.
1223
00:36:00,725 --> 00:36:01,859
It is.
1224
00:36:01,859 --> 00:36:03,895
Your pattern can walk so fast on you
1225
00:36:04,195 --> 00:36:06,397
and you'll fight that job the whole time.
1226
00:36:06,898 --> 00:36:09,901
And it's so much easier now
1227
00:36:10,101 --> 00:36:11,536
with a process like this.
1228
00:36:11,536 --> 00:36:13,671
I mean, your company is so impressive.
1229
00:36:13,671 --> 00:36:15,873
We looked at your company a lot and
1230
00:36:15,873 --> 00:36:18,042
and we joked around about synergy,
1231
00:36:18,042 --> 00:36:19,877
but it is really true.
1232
00:36:19,877 --> 00:36:22,013
Yeah, we're very similar in that we
1233
00:36:22,046 --> 00:36:23,748
we put a lot of emphasis
1234
00:36:23,748 --> 00:36:25,850
on training our companies
1235
00:36:25,850 --> 00:36:27,351
and you guys are first
1236
00:36:27,351 --> 00:36:28,019
class van
1237
00:36:28,019 --> 00:36:30,922
and everything you do is very impressive.
1238
00:36:31,222 --> 00:36:32,223
And so
1239
00:36:33,724 --> 00:36:34,559
I think these schools are
1240
00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:35,826
really very successful for us
1241
00:36:35,826 --> 00:36:37,094
and it's exciting
1242
00:36:37,094 --> 00:36:38,763
to see where it's going to go.
1243
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:40,531
One one thing to mention is
1244
00:36:40,531 --> 00:36:43,868
that we've tested our products together,
1245
00:36:43,868 --> 00:36:46,737
so we know that our adhesive line
1246
00:36:47,305 --> 00:36:49,740
and the leader creed, self loving
1247
00:36:49,740 --> 00:36:50,942
line will work together.
1248
00:36:50,942 --> 00:36:53,211
Even their vapor barriers
1249
00:36:53,211 --> 00:36:54,779
and ours are compatible
1250
00:36:54,779 --> 00:36:56,514
so that if you're doing a project,
1251
00:36:56,514 --> 00:36:57,515
a large enough project,
1252
00:36:57,515 --> 00:36:58,549
then you need to make sure
1253
00:36:58,549 --> 00:36:58,849
that there's
1254
00:36:58,849 --> 00:37:02,153
a full warranty from substrate to finish
1255
00:37:02,753 --> 00:37:03,421
you can now
1256
00:37:03,421 --> 00:37:05,356
get letters from both companies
1257
00:37:05,356 --> 00:37:07,592
showing that the products are compatible
1258
00:37:07,592 --> 00:37:09,594
and you have a full system warranty that.
1259
00:37:09,594 --> 00:37:11,796
Yeah, good point.
1260
00:37:12,496 --> 00:37:14,098
These are some exciting times
1261
00:37:14,098 --> 00:37:15,032
for bonus training.
1262
00:37:15,032 --> 00:37:16,200
I'll tell you,
1263
00:37:16,367 --> 00:37:17,635
I said that in the class
1264
00:37:17,635 --> 00:37:19,537
and I said that to Frank
1265
00:37:19,537 --> 00:37:20,304
when we were there.
1266
00:37:20,304 --> 00:37:23,207
Or Joe, you're not Frank Rizzo.
1267
00:37:23,207 --> 00:37:25,543
I could be if you want me to, Joe Rich,
1268
00:37:25,543 --> 00:37:27,044
don't make me come away today.
1269
00:37:27,044 --> 00:37:30,114
We're both so I'm going to blow this.
1270
00:37:30,581 --> 00:37:32,550
And I just did.
1271
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:34,185
But I just remember
1272
00:37:34,185 --> 00:37:34,852
sitting back
1273
00:37:34,852 --> 00:37:36,554
and watching this going like,
1274
00:37:36,554 --> 00:37:38,356
this is unbelievable for Bowen.
1275
00:37:38,356 --> 00:37:39,457
I mean, you know,
1276
00:37:39,457 --> 00:37:40,091
we're the kings
1277
00:37:40,091 --> 00:37:41,492
of Santa finish schools, but
1278
00:37:43,361 --> 00:37:45,329
now we're doing install classes,
1279
00:37:45,329 --> 00:37:47,598
but we're taking our install classes
1280
00:37:47,898 --> 00:37:50,401
even a step further than just a normal
1281
00:37:50,401 --> 00:37:52,737
install class teaming up with you guys.
1282
00:37:52,737 --> 00:37:55,273
So and these are some exciting times
1283
00:37:55,273 --> 00:37:56,040
for us.
1284
00:37:56,107 --> 00:37:57,541
Yeah, the feedback was great.
1285
00:37:57,541 --> 00:37:58,576
A lot of the guys just said,
1286
00:37:58,576 --> 00:38:00,444
How do we get more of this?
1287
00:38:00,444 --> 00:38:02,313
When are you coming back again?
1288
00:38:02,313 --> 00:38:04,115
Because to learn the prep side of it
1289
00:38:04,115 --> 00:38:04,982
and then we did
1290
00:38:04,982 --> 00:38:06,417
some intermediate
1291
00:38:06,417 --> 00:38:08,986
or higher end install techniques,
1292
00:38:08,986 --> 00:38:10,021
it was great for them.
1293
00:38:10,021 --> 00:38:10,921
And in the next school,
1294
00:38:10,921 --> 00:38:11,922
from what I understand, Rob,
1295
00:38:11,922 --> 00:38:13,924
you wanted to do multiple panels,
1296
00:38:13,924 --> 00:38:15,393
so we'll have a larger panel,
1297
00:38:15,393 --> 00:38:17,094
maybe several smaller ones,
1298
00:38:17,094 --> 00:38:18,396
and we could show different finished
1299
00:38:18,396 --> 00:38:19,230
techniques maybe.
1300
00:38:19,230 --> 00:38:19,530
Yeah,
1301
00:38:19,530 --> 00:38:21,098
that was what we were going to do at
1302
00:38:21,098 --> 00:38:21,499
the next
1303
00:38:21,499 --> 00:38:24,669
school is go with the large main panel
1304
00:38:25,202 --> 00:38:25,803
where
1305
00:38:26,971 --> 00:38:29,006
the Ladder Creek guys do their demos
1306
00:38:29,674 --> 00:38:32,777
and then go farm out to your own
1307
00:38:32,777 --> 00:38:34,512
little eight by eight panels
1308
00:38:34,512 --> 00:38:37,081
and actually get your hands dirty
1309
00:38:37,081 --> 00:38:40,584
using these levelers and the
1310
00:38:41,652 --> 00:38:43,287
patch and things like that
1311
00:38:43,287 --> 00:38:44,422
with a lot of guy
1312
00:38:44,422 --> 00:38:45,423
by your side coach
1313
00:38:45,423 --> 00:38:47,325
and kind of like how we do
1314
00:38:47,325 --> 00:38:48,726
the bonus calls,
1315
00:38:48,726 --> 00:38:50,461
we show you a little bit
1316
00:38:50,461 --> 00:38:51,529
and then get you out there
1317
00:38:51,529 --> 00:38:52,930
and we kind of coaches through it
1318
00:38:52,930 --> 00:38:54,031
hands on,
1319
00:38:54,031 --> 00:38:55,800
you know, a true hands on thing.
1320
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,936
So yeah, really, I just couldn't
1321
00:38:58,936 --> 00:38:59,970
be more excited
1322
00:38:59,970 --> 00:39:02,440
to be doing these classes.
1323
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,141
I just think that
1324
00:39:04,141 --> 00:39:06,410
there's so many things that,
1325
00:39:06,410 --> 00:39:07,678
you know, so many things.
1326
00:39:07,678 --> 00:39:09,413
I know me personally
1327
00:39:09,413 --> 00:39:11,349
have walked away from in the past.
1328
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:13,384
Just because I didn't have the knowledge,
1329
00:39:13,551 --> 00:39:15,453
didn't really understand it.
1330
00:39:15,453 --> 00:39:19,290
And it's like when Joe said it's boring.
1331
00:39:19,290 --> 00:39:20,591
I was watching the guys,
1332
00:39:20,591 --> 00:39:21,392
you know, laying that
1333
00:39:21,392 --> 00:39:23,394
first one down like, this is it.
1334
00:39:23,794 --> 00:39:25,229
This is really all you have to do this.
1335
00:39:25,229 --> 00:39:26,731
This is nuts.
1336
00:39:26,731 --> 00:39:26,964
Yeah.
1337
00:39:26,964 --> 00:39:29,367
So I think one of the big things
1338
00:39:29,367 --> 00:39:30,334
on that next school
1339
00:39:30,334 --> 00:39:32,403
is everybody's going to get dirty.
1340
00:39:32,403 --> 00:39:33,571
Everybody will be
1341
00:39:34,772 --> 00:39:35,906
doing the hands on.
1342
00:39:35,906 --> 00:39:38,342
You know, I'm looking forward to it.
1343
00:39:38,342 --> 00:39:39,844
We are super excited.
1344
00:39:39,844 --> 00:39:43,013
We first let me say that I was humbled
1345
00:39:43,547 --> 00:39:46,183
to hear excerpts of your caliber.
1346
00:39:46,183 --> 00:39:48,352
And again, I'm not exaggerating this
1347
00:39:48,352 --> 00:39:49,920
bonus is such an impressive company
1348
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,322
and you guys do things so well.
1349
00:39:51,322 --> 00:39:53,224
So thank you for your words
1350
00:39:53,224 --> 00:39:54,992
and it's good to be
1351
00:39:54,992 --> 00:39:56,994
working in partnership with a company
1352
00:39:56,994 --> 00:39:58,062
that two companies
1353
00:39:58,062 --> 00:39:59,630
that have the same value system. Right.
1354
00:39:59,630 --> 00:40:01,165
It comes down to value.
1355
00:40:01,165 --> 00:40:02,032
It comes down to
1356
00:40:02,032 --> 00:40:02,666
and when I say
1357
00:40:02,666 --> 00:40:03,934
that you're not talking about
1358
00:40:03,934 --> 00:40:04,668
I'm not talking about money,
1359
00:40:04,668 --> 00:40:06,303
I'm talking about our values.
1360
00:40:06,303 --> 00:40:07,872
To want to get information
1361
00:40:07,872 --> 00:40:09,640
and in the hands of the contractors
1362
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,075
so that they can perform
1363
00:40:11,075 --> 00:40:13,611
their jobs easier and better.
1364
00:40:13,778 --> 00:40:15,513
With our support
1365
00:40:15,513 --> 00:40:17,281
and with both the companies
1366
00:40:17,281 --> 00:40:19,650
being able to support those contracts.
1367
00:40:19,650 --> 00:40:20,985
I mean, yeah,
1368
00:40:20,985 --> 00:40:22,019
you want to talk exciting
1369
00:40:22,019 --> 00:40:22,953
and off the charts.
1370
00:40:24,455 --> 00:40:27,091
Frank and I had a
1371
00:40:27,558 --> 00:40:29,760
a I can't remember if it was a teams
1372
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,662
or a Zoom meeting
1373
00:40:31,796 --> 00:40:33,063
with with my boss
1374
00:40:33,063 --> 00:40:35,599
and our product manager.
1375
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:38,169
And this was one of our this was
1376
00:40:38,169 --> 00:40:42,373
this was our VP of of of marketing
1377
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,708
and all sorts of other functions we had
1378
00:40:45,042 --> 00:40:47,711
Shawn was so excited
1379
00:40:48,512 --> 00:40:51,048
after we spoke at the
1380
00:40:51,048 --> 00:40:53,918
at the potential of of how
1381
00:40:55,419 --> 00:40:57,421
of how we can work together.
1382
00:40:57,421 --> 00:40:58,722
And when you were on that meeting,
1383
00:40:58,722 --> 00:41:00,591
too, right? Yep. Yep.
1384
00:41:00,591 --> 00:41:02,993
I was just going to say was
1385
00:41:03,060 --> 00:41:04,328
pretty sure that Wayne
1386
00:41:04,328 --> 00:41:06,163
had to be at this meeting right.
1387
00:41:06,163 --> 00:41:07,965
I was saving the best for last.
1388
00:41:07,965 --> 00:41:09,400
I wanted to set it up
1389
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,702
as if it was only me and Frankie.
1390
00:41:11,702 --> 00:41:12,603
So then I can say.
1391
00:41:12,603 --> 00:41:14,672
But what really made it special
1392
00:41:14,672 --> 00:41:16,707
was that Wayne was there.
1393
00:41:16,707 --> 00:41:18,242
Just so nice of you.
1394
00:41:18,242 --> 00:41:19,143
So, Joseph,
1395
00:41:19,143 --> 00:41:20,678
how can people get a hold of you
1396
00:41:20,678 --> 00:41:22,513
for training, for for related, creative?
1397
00:41:22,513 --> 00:41:23,347
You have questions.
1398
00:41:23,347 --> 00:41:24,815
You guys are super accessible
1399
00:41:26,016 --> 00:41:26,217
for.
1400
00:41:26,217 --> 00:41:26,350
If you
1401
00:41:26,350 --> 00:41:26,550
have any
1402
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:27,952
technical questions anybody needs,
1403
00:41:27,952 --> 00:41:30,120
how can they get hold of you guys.
1404
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,356
If there is a platform
1405
00:41:32,356 --> 00:41:33,858
that we can't be reached
1406
00:41:33,858 --> 00:41:36,093
on, I would be surprised
1407
00:41:36,093 --> 00:41:40,931
from the traditional phone and I will.
1408
00:41:40,931 --> 00:41:41,765
I'll be more than happy
1409
00:41:41,765 --> 00:41:44,034
to give my cell phone number right here.
1410
00:41:45,503 --> 00:41:50,541
And 4752282020.
1411
00:41:50,541 --> 00:41:52,042
But by email
1412
00:41:52,042 --> 00:41:53,477
through our website,
1413
00:41:53,477 --> 00:41:56,380
Facebook, LinkedIn, I'm the LinkedIn guy.
1414
00:41:56,747 --> 00:41:58,816
I visit LinkedIn pretty often.
1415
00:41:58,816 --> 00:42:00,885
So yeah, any
1416
00:42:00,885 --> 00:42:02,953
pretty much any way we can be reached.
1417
00:42:03,521 --> 00:42:06,490
Hey, Rob, LinkedIn is like a professional
1418
00:42:07,291 --> 00:42:08,792
salesman, so.
1419
00:42:08,792 --> 00:42:09,827
I'm on LinkedIn.
1420
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I'm constantly looking for a job.
1421
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:13,163
Okay, all right.
1422
00:42:13,163 --> 00:42:14,265
I'm on LinkedIn.
1423
00:42:14,265 --> 00:42:15,399
I get it.
1424
00:42:16,467 --> 00:42:18,669
Hey, listen, I get Joe.
1425
00:42:18,669 --> 00:42:19,937
I get the most important
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00:42:19,937 --> 00:42:22,806
question of the whole show.
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00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,776
Is it late accrete or flat accrete?
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00:42:27,177 --> 00:42:29,246
You were saving that one half
1429
00:42:29,246 --> 00:42:31,649
the company was named after two words,
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00:42:31,649 --> 00:42:33,851
latex and concrete,
1431
00:42:33,851 --> 00:42:35,819
because that's how we got into business.
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00:42:35,819 --> 00:42:36,153
That's what
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00:42:36,153 --> 00:42:37,388
our founder discovered,
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00:42:37,388 --> 00:42:38,489
that you can take
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00:42:38,489 --> 00:42:41,058
liquid latex, mix it with cement products
1436
00:42:41,425 --> 00:42:43,093
and reduce the thickness
1437
00:42:43,093 --> 00:42:44,461
of tiles, setting mortis
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00:42:44,461 --> 00:42:46,297
from something that looked like this.
1439
00:42:46,297 --> 00:42:47,298
There's something that now
1440
00:42:47,298 --> 00:42:48,599
looks like this.
1441
00:42:48,599 --> 00:42:50,701
So it's actually late accrete.
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00:42:51,368 --> 00:42:53,203
However, if you want to call it
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00:42:53,203 --> 00:42:53,971
ladder, create,
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00:42:53,971 --> 00:42:56,340
lay to create lot of create.
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00:42:56,340 --> 00:42:57,708
As long as you try this out
1446
00:42:57,708 --> 00:42:59,176
and give us a fair shot,
1447
00:42:59,176 --> 00:43:01,111
we're not all that picky.
1448
00:43:01,111 --> 00:43:03,113
Okay, fair enough.
1449
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:03,581
All right.
1450
00:43:03,581 --> 00:43:04,348
Is there any questions
1451
00:43:04,348 --> 00:43:05,683
we haven't asked you, Joseph,
1452
00:43:05,683 --> 00:43:06,417
that we get off.
1453
00:43:06,417 --> 00:43:07,384
Here you go. I'll shoot that.
1454
00:43:07,384 --> 00:43:08,552
We should have talked about this
1455
00:43:10,020 --> 00:43:10,554
just.
1456
00:43:10,554 --> 00:43:12,156
Just one thing.
1457
00:43:12,156 --> 00:43:15,092
And that is, I cannot overemphasize
1458
00:43:15,092 --> 00:43:16,527
how easy it is
1459
00:43:16,527 --> 00:43:18,162
that the contractors
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00:43:18,162 --> 00:43:18,796
should not
1461
00:43:18,796 --> 00:43:21,832
look at a substrate prep job and say,
1462
00:43:22,533 --> 00:43:24,001
I don't even want to tackle it.
1463
00:43:24,001 --> 00:43:26,870
I don't understand that between
1464
00:43:27,404 --> 00:43:29,873
between late accrete and bone up,
1465
00:43:30,074 --> 00:43:32,543
we can teach you so much that you can be
1466
00:43:32,543 --> 00:43:34,612
all inclusive of the work
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00:43:34,612 --> 00:43:36,447
that you perform.
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00:43:36,447 --> 00:43:39,183
And if it truly is a project.
1469
00:43:39,183 --> 00:43:40,484
So let's say you don't want to do
1470
00:43:40,484 --> 00:43:42,486
100,000 square feet.
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00:43:42,486 --> 00:43:45,389
You're your your first shot out, but
1472
00:43:45,389 --> 00:43:46,724
you may want to tackle it
1473
00:43:46,724 --> 00:43:48,726
as building the project
1474
00:43:48,726 --> 00:43:52,029
and we can certainly help find the right
1475
00:43:52,029 --> 00:43:55,366
subcontractor partners
1476
00:43:55,366 --> 00:43:57,835
pretty much in any part
1477
00:43:57,835 --> 00:44:00,404
of the country or the world.
1478
00:44:00,404 --> 00:44:01,238
I'm just concerned
1479
00:44:01,238 --> 00:44:05,342
with the US and Canada, so that's it.
1480
00:44:06,043 --> 00:44:07,411
It's easy
1481
00:44:07,411 --> 00:44:08,946
and it doesn't finish like concrete
1482
00:44:08,946 --> 00:44:09,446
just because we're
1483
00:44:09,446 --> 00:44:10,648
talking about cement
1484
00:44:10,648 --> 00:44:13,350
and different tools and so forth.
1485
00:44:13,651 --> 00:44:17,054
It really does find its flatness
1486
00:44:17,521 --> 00:44:20,057
sits there and minimal, minimal
1487
00:44:21,425 --> 00:44:24,061
treatment needs to be done.
1488
00:44:24,061 --> 00:44:25,029
Awesome.
1489
00:44:25,129 --> 00:44:25,929
Good stuff then.
1490
00:44:25,929 --> 00:44:26,664
I'm so excited
1491
00:44:26,664 --> 00:44:27,498
when I when I knew
1492
00:44:27,498 --> 00:44:28,298
we could get you on here.
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00:44:28,298 --> 00:44:28,866
Joseph,
1494
00:44:28,866 --> 00:44:30,701
you bring so much knowledge to this.
1495
00:44:30,701 --> 00:44:32,736
And, and
1496
00:44:32,736 --> 00:44:33,737
so I think that
1497
00:44:33,737 --> 00:44:34,972
guys will get a lot out of this.
1498
00:44:34,972 --> 00:44:35,806
And I'm looking forward
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00:44:35,806 --> 00:44:37,174
to the schools together.
1500
00:44:37,174 --> 00:44:39,076
And I really don't ride
1501
00:44:39,076 --> 00:44:39,843
around the helicopter,
1502
00:44:39,843 --> 00:44:41,311
to be honest with you.
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00:44:41,311 --> 00:44:42,946
I'm going to can't
1504
00:44:42,946 --> 00:44:44,815
wait to go to the school in in Texas.
1505
00:44:44,815 --> 00:44:46,083
That'll be a lot of fun.
1506
00:44:46,083 --> 00:44:47,718
And we'll get down there.
1507
00:44:47,718 --> 00:44:49,219
We won't we will never have to argue it.
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00:44:49,219 --> 00:44:51,121
What makes a good best barbecue
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00:44:51,121 --> 00:44:53,924
that should be in Texas so agreed.
1510
00:44:54,091 --> 00:44:54,692
Yeah.
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00:44:54,692 --> 00:44:55,192
I look forward
1512
00:44:55,192 --> 00:44:56,927
to seeing you there, Joseph.
1513
00:44:56,927 --> 00:44:59,430
And and Wayne, first of all,
1514
00:44:59,430 --> 00:45:00,964
let me say that I'll swing by
1515
00:45:00,964 --> 00:45:02,800
and pick you up in my helicopter
1516
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,302
and I'll get the red carpet ready to go.
1517
00:45:05,302 --> 00:45:05,569
Yeah,
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00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:09,006
but, guys what a pleasure.
1519
00:45:09,006 --> 00:45:09,606
What a joy.
1520
00:45:09,606 --> 00:45:10,774
Thank you so much.
1521
00:45:10,774 --> 00:45:12,676
Truly appreciate being here.
1522
00:45:12,676 --> 00:45:13,744
And more than that,
1523
00:45:13,744 --> 00:45:16,914
truly appreciate you guys, your company
1524
00:45:16,914 --> 00:45:18,982
and and working with you.
1525
00:45:19,950 --> 00:45:21,752
It's it's it's a privilege.
1526
00:45:21,752 --> 00:45:22,586
Thank you.
1527
00:45:22,586 --> 00:45:23,520
Thank you, sir.
1528
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,322
And Frank, thank you for making time.
1529
00:45:25,322 --> 00:45:26,824
I know we got you on short notice, Frank.
1530
00:45:26,824 --> 00:45:29,259
And I appreciate you making time always.
1531
00:45:29,259 --> 00:45:31,295
Frankel Bellino out in New York,
1532
00:45:31,762 --> 00:45:33,330
Rob Johnson out of Boston,
1533
00:45:33,330 --> 00:45:35,399
but he's all over the world training.
1534
00:45:35,966 --> 00:45:37,101
And so thank you, guys.
1535
00:45:37,101 --> 00:45:37,968
Appreciate making time.
1536
00:45:37,968 --> 00:45:39,336
I really do. I enjoyed it.
1537
00:45:39,336 --> 00:45:40,370
So thank you.
1538
00:45:40,370 --> 00:45:41,038
Thank you.
1539
00:45:41,038 --> 00:45:43,073
Thanks. Bye bye.
1540
00:45:43,073 --> 00:45:44,274
This has been another episode
1541
00:45:44,274 --> 00:45:44,775
of On the Floor
1542
00:45:44,775 --> 00:45:46,143
with Wayne and Rob and Joseph
1543
00:45:46,143 --> 00:45:47,845
Rizzo and Franco Paulino.
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00:45:47,845 --> 00:45:56,820
Please stay tuned for another episode.