On The Floor with Wayne and Rob

Keeping yourself out of trouble with guest Carl Mattingly Part 2

Episode Summary

Part 2 of Wayne and Rob host guest Carl Mattingly to discuss how to keep yourself out of trouble and make sure you keep yourself covered. Follow Bona US Professional online: Website: https://www1.bona.com/en-us/professional/ Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/BonaProfessional Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bonauspro/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bonapro.us/

Episode Transcription

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Hello.

 

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Welcome to

 

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another episode of On the Floor

 

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with Wayne, Iraq.

 

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I'm Wayne Highlander, National Sales

 

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Manager for Bona Adhesives.

 

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I'm Rob Johnson from Bona Training.

 

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This is part

 

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two of our of our conversation

 

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with the hardwood floor

 

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inspector Carl Mattingly

 

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and we're going to continue

 

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this this great conversation

 

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we're having with him.

 

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All right.

 

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So other

 

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other standing issues are screen marks

 

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and those type of things you run across.

 

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Yes. Scratches

 

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and your marks were

 

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are not at your marks, but halos

 

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around room.

 

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Still, we're getting a lot of that,

 

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especially around door cases.

 

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Mm hmm.

 

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You know, they'll

 

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they're not blending those.

 

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So, you see,

 

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you get especially on a darker

 

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stain floor.

 

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Not too many of those, but.

 

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But you still see them on the center

 

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or center issue.

 

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You know,

 

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you said something earlier

 

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and I go back to it is that,

 

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you know,

 

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when the

 

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the you're

 

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sanding floors for certain colors,

 

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there was a time

 

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few years back that everything was light.

 

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Everything was a natural finish now.

 

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And we didn't,

 

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you know,

 

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the dark stains went away or whatever.

 

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And then they came back, right?

 

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And I knew guys

 

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were going to have challenges,

 

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especially guys

 

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that were

 

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kind of fairly

 

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got in the industry

 

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in the last five years or so.

 

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Then now

 

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we're having to go to those dark floors

 

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where it's it's, you know, is a lot more

 

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intense when you're

 

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sanding process and everything.

 

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Everything is so critical

 

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that I knew that was going

 

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to bring up a lot of challenges for guys.

 

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All right.

 

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Finishing

 

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guys, still bleaching and water potting.

 

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Maybe we can start

 

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with what you're seeing in that regard.

 

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A little bit of bleaching,

 

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a lot of water popping

 

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where they want

 

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to get that intense color.

 

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You know, the customer walks

 

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in with that little palette

 

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and they go, this is the color I want.

 

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And you know in your heart

 

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that if you send that floor

 

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without water popping,

 

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you're not going to get that color.

 

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You get close,

 

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but it's never going to be

 

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what the customer wants.

 

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So a lot of water popping.

 

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So when that comes up, when someone

 

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I talk about or they ask me about it,

 

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I always tell them this

 

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and this is a difficult one.

 

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Goes back to all the way

 

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back to our first question about

 

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a moisture meter.

 

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Know what your

 

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moisture is on

 

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the wood before you put the water down

 

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and then don't stain that floor

 

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until it's back to that level.

 

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So if you have to use a number 8%

 

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and you want your water poppy floor,

 

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you want to pin that meter or pin

 

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that floor again

 

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to make sure it's back at that

 

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8% before you start applying this stain

 

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that's that's

 

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something that I learned years

 

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and years ago with bleaching.

 

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When we started bleaching, you know,

 

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more and more bleaching was popping up.

 

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And that was in the late eighties

 

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when they were doing pastels and whites

 

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and things like that.

 

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So that's we started doing that then.

 

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I still think it's good practice.

 

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A lot of guys won't do it,

 

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but I think it's good practice.

 

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Know what your moisture level is

 

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prior to the water going down,

 

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you know, be prepared for grain rays.

 

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You know, that's a difficult one.

 

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A lot of guys,

 

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maybe it's the first time

 

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they're going to water popped or not.

 

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They don't realize

 

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how heavy that green raise

 

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is going to be.

 

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So then they go and stain the floor

 

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and put the first coated finish on

 

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and they go in and abraded

 

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and they take all the little tips

 

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of that green rays off

 

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and they have little white spots

 

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all over the floor.

 

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They don't know what to do.

 

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Yeah. So. Yep.

 

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I'm going to stop and insert my tip here

 

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that I

 

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I've said it before.

 

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If you've heard me say it,

 

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I apologize

 

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and I'm going to say it anyhow.

 

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When it comes to green

 

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rays on water

 

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pop floors,

 

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my brother

 

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and I had the best two brothers

 

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and I think had the best system

 

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I've ever seen on it.

 

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And is that we would

 

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we would stay in the floor

 

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like you normally would while by hand.

 

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We'd seen it by hand

 

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while still

 

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what we would take a buffer,

 

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a maroon pad,

 

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and we would maroon

 

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pad that whole section

 

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and then we would

 

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then we would wipe off the stain.

 

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And it is like we,

 

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we screen it with a 180 grit.

 

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So you get.

 

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So you got rid of the green razor.

 

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Got really green rays

 

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and you got the benefits

 

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of, of that water pop floor.

 

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And people

 

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say, well, that's an extra step.

 

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And it absolutely is.

 

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But man,

 

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it is absolutely stunning

 

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when you're done.

 

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I mean, it really is beautiful.

 

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I wish I'd known that.

 

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I never even thought about that.

 

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I actually used to

 

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I mean, just

 

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just your description of it

 

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made so much sense to me.

 

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If I was doing it again, I'd do it.

 

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Then I'll do it. Yeah. Yeah.

 

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And what we would do

 

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when,

 

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if you're going to do this,

 

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when you first put a,

 

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if it's a brand new screen down

 

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a maroon pad.

 

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Well, it's going to be not a screen.

 

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A maroon pad.

 

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We would kind of swirling in the stain

 

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a little bit to get a little bit

 

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wet for that first turn. Right.

 

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And then and then, you know,

 

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people think, oh, it

 

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then you're walking in.

 

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It never,

 

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never, never had an issue doing it.

 

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And I've never seen it done any better

 

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as it

 

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was so

 

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good that my

 

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three brothers fight

 

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about whose idea was

 

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after all these years.

 

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Are you the oldest?

 

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If you are, then you get to take credit.

 

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He is the oldest is.

 

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But my youngest is adamant

 

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that it was his idea.

 

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And now he's got me

 

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wondering and questioning my own self.

 

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So I don't know.

 

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I don't even know anymore.

 

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That's another thing.

 

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I.

 

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Yes, the bane of the industry, the bane,

 

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the absolute freaking heartbreaker,

 

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the absolute heartbreaker to a floor guy

 

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is the reading the finish.

 

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So maybe we can talk about that.

 

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Okay.

 

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So, so

 

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and this is from a pure experience.

 

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I was so incredibly clean

 

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on my application

 

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from the time

 

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prior to staining the floor,

 

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the amount of time

 

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we spent vacuuming crevices in baseboards

 

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and cleaning walls

 

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and then cleaning that for cleaning

 

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dust out of that floor.

 

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We didn't

 

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use a Tampico brush

 

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anything that we're going to stay in.

 

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I couldn't

 

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hardly stand to see the swirl marks.

 

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It just drove me crazy.

 

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But if we knew

 

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it was going to be a clear finish

 

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we Tampico it

 

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but but that said just clean clean clean

 

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good clean filters on your vacuum

 

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good use good vacuum heads

 

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you know after you stain the floor.

 

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Now you're getting ready to

 

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apply to finish

 

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or prepare

 

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the finish, acclimate your finish,

 

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get that stuff into the house

 

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where it's going to go down.

 

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Don't bring it in in the morning

 

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and take at noon.

 

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You're going to

 

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bring it in a couple of days before.

 

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If you can

 

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acclimate your finish to the site

 

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mix it as it's required.

 

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And the trick that I did,

 

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I never poured out of a bottle.

 

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I poured it into a poor can.

 

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And even with the plastic strainer

 

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that comes with the

 

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to put in the top of the bottle,

 

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we still poured it

 

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through a medium mesh

 

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painter's paint strainer

 

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and on big applications, big pores.

 

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If we would blend everything,

 

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there was a lot of times

 

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we would take a few seconds,

 

268

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rinse that poor bucket out

 

269

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and restrain our finish

 

270

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so that if we had to pick any finish up,

 

271

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we didn't want that

 

272

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finish moved from bedroom to bedroom be.

 

273

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So we were very critical about that.

 

274

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And literally

 

275

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every time we poured a bottle and finish,

 

276

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it went through a pain stream.

 

277

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I mean, you could have got along

 

278

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just fine.

 

279

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We wore booties.

 

280

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I have a beard.

 

281

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I would vacuum my beard.

 

282

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Anything that you can do to just imagine.

 

283

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The California think his way

 

284

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and he even had a funny app

 

285

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that he would wear. It's okay.

 

286

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Or sock.

 

287

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Why not? Yes, I. Mean, yes.

 

288

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Yes. Yeah.

 

289

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I mean,

 

290

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it was comfortable, it was lightweight.

 

291

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And I would vacuum that before

 

292

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I put it on.

 

293

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I would wipe

 

294

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I'd actually wipe my arms down with with

 

295

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with with a wet rag.

 

296

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But, you know, as corny as that sounds,

 

297

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I think it might be a California thing,

 

298

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because a lot of people out here

 

299

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think it's supposed to look like

 

300

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their dining room table

 

301

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and you try to make it look like that.

 

302

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But. All right, you win.

 

303

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All right.

 

304

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You got your man.

 

305

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You got me, dammit. You.

 

306

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Well, so so another thing to that that

 

307

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that we do and my brother in Michigan,

 

308

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if he watches this podcast,

 

309

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he'll laugh because he knows it's true.

 

310

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He hates tacky, hates it, hates it.

 

311

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So when he was in California, we

 

312

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were in business together.

 

313

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You know,

 

314

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I think he'd

 

315

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probably just rather jump into a bonfire

 

316

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than to get on his hands

 

317

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and knees and tack a floor up.

 

318

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But we tack the floor twice.

 

319

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One person would start it

 

320

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and the next person would follow.

 

321

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We never went back onto the floor

 

322

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that had been tacked and we did.

 

323

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So we did.

 

324

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We did that twice.

 

325

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You might be the only guy

 

326

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as anal as I am about

 

327

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about this part of the process.

 

328

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But I absolutely were

 

329

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right there with you, man.

 

330

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You worked too hard.

 

331

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It's too hard for that one step to get.

 

332

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You want that one thing

 

333

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another thing too that I would

 

334

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I would tell

 

335

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the guys know where your drafts are.

 

336

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You know,

 

337

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we used to have signs,

 

338

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put them on the door.

 

339

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We talk to the homeless.

 

340

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All right.

 

341

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Here's what we're going to do,

 

342

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because we always had

 

343

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exhaust fans in the window.

 

344

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So we kind of controlled

 

345

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the air pressure in our room.

 

346

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But we would ask them, say, you know,

 

347

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is your car in the garage?

 

348

00:09:06,512 --> 00:09:07,847

Do you have to leave this afternoon?

 

349

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If you do, please take your car out

 

350

00:09:09,148 --> 00:09:09,982

close the garage door.

 

351

00:09:09,982 --> 00:09:11,217

So we would try to control

 

352

00:09:11,217 --> 00:09:13,019

that environment as best we can.

 

353

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A little bit on the anal side.

 

354

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But guess what? It paid off.

 

355

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Yeah, it paid off.

 

356

00:09:18,291 --> 00:09:19,825

The Sesame Street song

 

357

00:09:19,825 --> 00:09:21,260

one of these kids just doesn't

 

358

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belong here

 

359

00:09:22,261 --> 00:09:26,365

is going through my head right now.

 

360

00:09:26,365 --> 00:09:27,667

So it might be my brother.

 

361

00:09:28,768 --> 00:09:29,669

Oh, but he was.

 

362

00:09:29,669 --> 00:09:30,236

But you know what?

 

363

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You know what?

 

364

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Your brother and I will do floors.

 

365

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You and Wayne can work together.

 

366

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I'll work with your brother.

 

367

00:09:35,141 --> 00:09:35,908

I didn't say that.

 

368

00:09:35,908 --> 00:09:36,876

He didn't him.

 

369

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I said he hate attack you.

 

370

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Yeah.

 

371

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I'll let him take it

 

372

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one time and we're good.

 

373

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Let's go.

 

374

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Rob, as

 

375

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a saying of 3680 and bad lighting

 

376

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is he jokes.

 

377

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For 4080 and set 4080

 

378

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set and falling in bad lighting that's

 

379

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that was like the first ten years of my

 

380

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my career

 

381

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when I left my family's business.

 

382

00:10:02,001 --> 00:10:02,501

But yeah,

 

383

00:10:02,501 --> 00:10:04,170

but in those days,

 

384

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probably what you're doing

 

385

00:10:05,237 --> 00:10:06,238

was a neutral stain.

 

386

00:10:06,238 --> 00:10:08,040

And like you say, oil finished.

 

387

00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:09,575

Yeah. You might be able to game with.

 

388

00:10:09,575 --> 00:10:10,109

There was

 

389

00:10:10,109 --> 00:10:11,344

no I was good at staining

 

390

00:10:11,344 --> 00:10:12,011

I was much better

 

391

00:10:12,011 --> 00:10:13,980

at talking people out of state.

 

392

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Thank you.

 

393

00:10:14,780 --> 00:10:15,781

You should have been on my crew

 

394

00:10:15,781 --> 00:10:16,849

out of it. I would have hired,

 

395

00:10:18,618 --> 00:10:19,785

you know, speaking of lighting,

 

396

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but going back to the sanding sequence

 

397

00:10:21,954 --> 00:10:22,488

a little bit,

 

398

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that's the one thing that we did.

 

399

00:10:23,889 --> 00:10:24,223

And we

 

400

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we gave that job to our apprentices.

 

401

00:10:27,326 --> 00:10:28,160

If, you know,

 

402

00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:29,428

we didn't always have apprentices,

 

403

00:10:29,428 --> 00:10:32,765

but once once we determined

 

404

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that all of the sanding was done before

 

405

00:10:36,769 --> 00:10:38,771

we brought the screen out or our final

 

406

00:10:38,871 --> 00:10:41,273

or final smoothing,

 

407

00:10:41,273 --> 00:10:42,608

we literally crawl the floor

 

408

00:10:42,608 --> 00:10:45,678

with a halogen light and we pencil spot.

 

409

00:10:45,678 --> 00:10:47,680

If there was a spot of question,

 

410

00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:49,415

we'd pencil that

 

411

00:10:50,750 --> 00:10:51,717

maybe that, maybe that.

 

412

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It seemed it didn't get dropped

 

413

00:10:53,119 --> 00:10:54,453

quite as much.

 

414

00:10:54,453 --> 00:10:55,821

We'd go in there with a random

 

415

00:10:55,821 --> 00:10:57,723

orbital sander and smooth that.

 

416

00:10:57,723 --> 00:10:58,891

Check that with the light

 

417

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we do a pencil mark.

 

418

00:10:59,825 --> 00:11:01,060

Just go. Hey, just check this out.

 

419

00:11:01,060 --> 00:11:02,094

If you see something,

 

420

00:11:02,094 --> 00:11:02,895

put a circle around it.

 

421

00:11:02,895 --> 00:11:04,163

We'll come back and check it.

 

422

00:11:04,163 --> 00:11:05,731

And then we would just take that out

 

423

00:11:05,731 --> 00:11:07,600

so that we knew it's

 

424

00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,301

the very best that we could get

 

425

00:11:09,301 --> 00:11:10,770

before that screen went on it.

 

426

00:11:10,770 --> 00:11:13,105

So did you advertise, girl?

 

427

00:11:14,006 --> 00:11:16,509

Oh, yeah. No.

 

428

00:11:16,509 --> 00:11:18,511

So here's, here's my thought behind that.

 

429

00:11:18,511 --> 00:11:20,046

And we were kind of

 

430

00:11:20,046 --> 00:11:21,614

this is the way I felt about it.

 

431

00:11:21,614 --> 00:11:23,049

We didn't advertise either

 

432

00:11:23,049 --> 00:11:24,817

and we were always busy.

 

433

00:11:24,817 --> 00:11:26,385

And my feeling is that,

 

434

00:11:26,385 --> 00:11:26,986

you know,

 

435

00:11:26,986 --> 00:11:27,887

the amount of money

 

436

00:11:27,887 --> 00:11:29,555

we didn't pay in advertising,

 

437

00:11:29,555 --> 00:11:31,090

if it takes me

 

438

00:11:31,090 --> 00:11:32,224

an hour longer to do this

 

439

00:11:32,224 --> 00:11:33,726

part of the job or whatever,

 

440

00:11:33,726 --> 00:11:34,627

I'm going to do that

 

441

00:11:34,627 --> 00:11:36,128

because it's word of mouth is worth it.

 

442

00:11:36,128 --> 00:11:36,529

It's worth

 

443

00:11:36,529 --> 00:11:38,597

more than any advertising anyhow.

 

444

00:11:38,597 --> 00:11:39,832

So I don't have to advertising

 

445

00:11:39,832 --> 00:11:41,400

and jump through those hoops.

 

446

00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,669

I'll do it on this end of the job

 

447

00:11:43,669 --> 00:11:46,272

and then it just becomes second nature.

 

448

00:11:46,272 --> 00:11:47,540

And what it does to it

 

449

00:11:47,540 --> 00:11:49,909

creates great habits, you know?

 

450

00:11:49,909 --> 00:11:51,544

What do you think when you say that

 

451

00:11:51,544 --> 00:11:52,478

when guys are going to say on

 

452

00:11:52,478 --> 00:11:53,579

the floor is a certain way

 

453

00:11:53,579 --> 00:11:55,347

because it's going to go natural finish

 

454

00:11:55,347 --> 00:11:56,582

and you get away with that job

 

455

00:11:56,582 --> 00:11:57,983

after job as a job.

 

456

00:11:57,983 --> 00:11:59,085

And then the

 

457

00:11:59,085 --> 00:12:00,453

you know, the bad thing about habits

 

458

00:12:00,453 --> 00:12:02,421

is they work most of the time.

 

459

00:12:02,421 --> 00:12:02,722

You know,

 

460

00:12:02,722 --> 00:12:04,223

then you bring it to another job

 

461

00:12:04,223 --> 00:12:06,158

where it matters and

 

462

00:12:06,158 --> 00:12:08,327

and maybe not so much in that habit.

 

463

00:12:08,327 --> 00:12:08,928

And look,

 

464

00:12:08,928 --> 00:12:10,262

we know we're preaching to the choir.

 

465

00:12:10,262 --> 00:12:11,297

We're we're on this podcast

 

466

00:12:11,297 --> 00:12:12,331

because we know

 

467

00:12:12,331 --> 00:12:13,532

there's some phenomenal floor

 

468

00:12:13,532 --> 00:12:14,200

guys on this.

 

469

00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,068

I mean, that list is part guys and gals.

 

470

00:12:16,068 --> 00:12:18,104

Guys and gals, by the way,

 

471

00:12:18,104 --> 00:12:20,306

that are just phenomenal mechanics.

 

472

00:12:20,306 --> 00:12:21,574

And we get that.

 

473

00:12:21,574 --> 00:12:22,842

But this is to help

 

474

00:12:22,842 --> 00:12:24,643

the guys that maybe maybe not not

 

475

00:12:24,643 --> 00:12:27,012

that's not quite there yet.

 

476

00:12:27,012 --> 00:12:29,448

And whatever. Well, I'll tell you what.

 

477

00:12:29,448 --> 00:12:30,316

The one thing when I

 

478

00:12:30,316 --> 00:12:31,550

when I do a peek,

 

479

00:12:31,550 --> 00:12:32,785

I really appreciate this

 

480

00:12:32,785 --> 00:12:34,086

because the people that show up

 

481

00:12:34,086 --> 00:12:35,421

to pay attention to this stuff

 

482

00:12:35,421 --> 00:12:36,255

and try to pick up

 

483

00:12:36,255 --> 00:12:37,890

a little bit of information

 

484

00:12:37,890 --> 00:12:39,225

and I don't know everything there is.

 

485

00:12:39,225 --> 00:12:40,893

And I always tell them I was on

 

486

00:12:40,893 --> 00:12:42,928

I was standing in that audience

 

487

00:12:42,928 --> 00:12:43,996

five, six years ago.

 

488

00:12:43,996 --> 00:12:46,132

So and I would still continue

 

489

00:12:46,132 --> 00:12:46,999

to go to those. But

 

490

00:12:48,868 --> 00:12:50,603

it's a it's a wonderful trade.

 

491

00:12:50,603 --> 00:12:51,003

It's a

 

492

00:12:51,003 --> 00:12:52,104

it's a it's a trade

 

493

00:12:52,104 --> 00:12:54,807

that I've always been really proud of.

 

494

00:12:55,107 --> 00:12:57,443

You know, I raised my kids doing it

 

495

00:12:57,443 --> 00:12:58,911

great. Take great pride in it.

 

496

00:12:58,911 --> 00:12:59,979

I think most of the guys

 

497

00:12:59,979 --> 00:13:01,647

that I've met in the business, the people

 

498

00:13:01,647 --> 00:13:02,414

or as you even said,

 

499

00:13:02,414 --> 00:13:04,416

the women that we meet in the business,

 

500

00:13:04,416 --> 00:13:05,284

they're professional

 

501

00:13:05,284 --> 00:13:06,685

and they take great pride in it.

 

502

00:13:06,685 --> 00:13:07,486

So the

 

503

00:13:07,486 --> 00:13:08,821

the more you can do it better

 

504

00:13:08,821 --> 00:13:11,157

and more perfection you can accomplish,

 

505

00:13:11,157 --> 00:13:14,593

the more pride you can carry, the more

 

506

00:13:14,593 --> 00:13:15,961

referrals you're going to get.

 

507

00:13:15,961 --> 00:13:18,330

Yeah. Let's talk about Steve.

 

508

00:13:18,330 --> 00:13:19,965

And there's a lot of things

 

509

00:13:19,965 --> 00:13:21,534

that encompasses stain.

 

510

00:13:21,534 --> 00:13:22,768

One is trick wiping

 

511

00:13:22,768 --> 00:13:24,003

and those type of things

 

512

00:13:24,003 --> 00:13:26,238

and maybe not waiting for the dry at all.

 

513

00:13:26,272 --> 00:13:27,573

But but let's talk about that

 

514

00:13:27,573 --> 00:13:28,207

a little bit.

 

515

00:13:28,207 --> 00:13:29,909

But then also let's get into maybe

 

516

00:13:29,909 --> 00:13:32,311

Robert's favorite subject is

 

517

00:13:32,311 --> 00:13:34,013

is spontaneous combustion

 

518

00:13:34,013 --> 00:13:37,850

and taking care of the stain rags.

 

519

00:13:37,850 --> 00:13:39,051

That's not one of my favorite,

 

520

00:13:39,051 --> 00:13:39,485

but it's probably

 

521

00:13:39,485 --> 00:13:40,452

one of the most important

 

522

00:13:40,452 --> 00:13:41,287

conversations that

 

523

00:13:42,521 --> 00:13:43,289

Rob does.

 

524

00:13:43,289 --> 00:13:45,191

Rob does a speech of whenever

 

525

00:13:45,191 --> 00:13:45,491

he does

 

526

00:13:45,491 --> 00:13:47,159

the end of classes

 

527

00:13:47,159 --> 00:13:47,726

and he's done

 

528

00:13:47,726 --> 00:13:48,360

a podcast

 

529

00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,863

episode on this, on his speech on fire

 

530

00:13:51,363 --> 00:13:53,833

is the best speech in the industry.

 

531

00:13:53,833 --> 00:13:56,035

On on stain rags and fire.

 

532

00:13:56,035 --> 00:13:58,103

He does a just a knock out job on that.

 

533

00:13:58,103 --> 00:13:58,938

So

 

534

00:13:59,839 --> 00:14:02,141

it's near and dear to his heart.

 

535

00:14:02,141 --> 00:14:03,609

So we know how important that is.

 

536

00:14:03,609 --> 00:14:04,777

And, you know,

 

537

00:14:04,777 --> 00:14:06,312

it just takes one

 

538

00:14:06,312 --> 00:14:07,279

to want

 

539

00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:09,782

a career is just like a car crash.

 

540

00:14:09,782 --> 00:14:11,250

I mean, it just takes off.

 

541

00:14:11,250 --> 00:14:13,018

You can drive down the road every day.

 

542

00:14:13,018 --> 00:14:14,053

Every day, no problem.

 

543

00:14:14,053 --> 00:14:16,722

And it just takes one to change your life

 

544

00:14:16,722 --> 00:14:17,256

so.

 

545

00:14:17,289 --> 00:14:19,358

You can't be cautious enough.

 

546

00:14:19,358 --> 00:14:21,227

And it going back to the new versus

 

547

00:14:21,227 --> 00:14:23,128

what we did years ago,

 

548

00:14:23,128 --> 00:14:24,630

we do have the advantage today

 

549

00:14:24,630 --> 00:14:25,998

to have much better products.

 

550

00:14:25,998 --> 00:14:27,833

So the opportunity

 

551

00:14:27,833 --> 00:14:29,702

for that mistake to happen

 

552

00:14:29,702 --> 00:14:31,704

or at least reduced,

 

553

00:14:33,172 --> 00:14:35,007

you know.

 

554

00:14:35,007 --> 00:14:36,208

Yeah, definitely.

 

555

00:14:36,208 --> 00:14:37,810

And the education is out there too.

 

556

00:14:37,810 --> 00:14:38,177

And

 

557

00:14:38,577 --> 00:14:39,812

but every year, every year

 

558

00:14:39,812 --> 00:14:41,213

you see on the on on

 

559

00:14:41,213 --> 00:14:43,349

one of the social media helps.

 

560

00:14:43,382 --> 00:14:44,516

It went up.

 

561

00:14:44,850 --> 00:14:46,418

Too many people thinks

 

562

00:14:46,418 --> 00:14:48,187

it won't happen to them.

 

563

00:14:48,187 --> 00:14:50,589

I know it will not happen to me.

 

564

00:14:50,589 --> 00:14:52,057

I've never seen it before.

 

565

00:14:52,057 --> 00:14:53,359

Can't happen.

 

566

00:14:53,359 --> 00:14:54,793

Never happened to me before.

 

567

00:14:54,793 --> 00:14:56,795

And it's just a matter of time

 

568

00:14:56,795 --> 00:14:58,163

if you're not taken care of.

 

569

00:14:58,163 --> 00:14:59,398

Oh, my goodness.

 

570

00:14:59,398 --> 00:15:00,833

I can't even imagine.

 

571

00:15:00,833 --> 00:15:01,467

Lay him out.

 

572

00:15:01,467 --> 00:15:02,601

Dry him out in the air

 

573

00:15:02,601 --> 00:15:05,004

or just put him in a bucket of water.

 

574

00:15:05,004 --> 00:15:07,606

We used to do if we didn't have space, if

 

575

00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:08,774

if our customers didn't

 

576

00:15:08,774 --> 00:15:09,675

have a garden space,

 

577

00:15:09,675 --> 00:15:10,509

that maybe, you know,

 

578

00:15:10,509 --> 00:15:12,278

there was just bare soil.

 

579

00:15:12,278 --> 00:15:14,079

If they did, we would lay them out there

 

580

00:15:14,079 --> 00:15:15,347

and we would soak them with water

 

581

00:15:15,347 --> 00:15:16,749

and leave them overnight.

 

582

00:15:16,749 --> 00:15:18,450

But we still had to be really careful

 

583

00:15:18,450 --> 00:15:20,152

because I'll tell you, as an experience,

 

584

00:15:20,152 --> 00:15:22,087

this is a personal experience.

 

585

00:15:22,087 --> 00:15:23,722

We were doing new construction,

 

586

00:15:23,722 --> 00:15:24,657

laid the rags out

 

587

00:15:24,657 --> 00:15:27,393

behind the house, soaked them down.

 

588

00:15:27,393 --> 00:15:29,228

My sons were probably in their teens

 

589

00:15:29,228 --> 00:15:29,795

at the time.

 

590

00:15:29,795 --> 00:15:31,030

We went back the next day

 

591

00:15:31,030 --> 00:15:33,032

to start applying the finish

 

592

00:15:33,699 --> 00:15:35,234

and I asked him to gather the rags

 

593

00:15:35,234 --> 00:15:36,635

and bring them out to the front.

 

594

00:15:36,635 --> 00:15:38,671

They laid them out by the barn. And

 

595

00:15:40,039 --> 00:15:41,273

again, this is new construction.

 

596

00:15:41,273 --> 00:15:42,508

There was no houses,

 

597

00:15:42,508 --> 00:15:45,010

no yard or anything, and

 

598

00:15:45,110 --> 00:15:47,279

we went out at about 3:00

 

599

00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:47,947

in the afternoon.

 

600

00:15:47,947 --> 00:15:49,114

Now, these rags have been out

 

601

00:15:49,114 --> 00:15:51,884

all night long and it's so cold water.

 

602

00:15:51,884 --> 00:15:52,985

And they were smoldering

 

603

00:15:52,985 --> 00:15:54,820

when we went out to leave that day.

 

604

00:15:54,820 --> 00:15:55,921

Is that right?

 

605

00:15:55,921 --> 00:15:57,156

Yeah. Wow.

 

606

00:15:57,156 --> 00:15:58,257

So something.

 

607

00:15:58,257 --> 00:15:59,491

Less. Than that. And caught fire.

 

608

00:15:59,491 --> 00:16:01,026

But they were smoldering.

 

609

00:16:01,026 --> 00:16:01,727

Yeah.

 

610

00:16:01,727 --> 00:16:02,761

Well, and I'll tell you something

 

611

00:16:02,761 --> 00:16:03,128

else, too,

 

612

00:16:03,128 --> 00:16:04,630

as a rule, I lived that

 

613

00:16:04,630 --> 00:16:05,731

I didn't let anybody else

 

614

00:16:05,731 --> 00:16:06,966

take care of my rags.

 

615

00:16:06,966 --> 00:16:08,701

Yeah, someone else said, you know what?

 

616

00:16:08,701 --> 00:16:09,601

Just throw them in a dumpster.

 

617

00:16:09,601 --> 00:16:09,902

We got

 

618

00:16:09,902 --> 00:16:11,070

someone that someone else has come in

 

619

00:16:11,070 --> 00:16:11,670

or whatever. Nope.

 

620

00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:14,373

That's that's my responsibility.

 

621

00:16:14,373 --> 00:16:15,607

And I won't.

 

622

00:16:15,607 --> 00:16:17,643

And I had a van catch on fire.

 

623

00:16:17,643 --> 00:16:19,411

Oh, you did? Yes. Yeah.

 

624

00:16:19,411 --> 00:16:21,046

So we talk about,

 

625

00:16:21,046 --> 00:16:21,647

okay, we're now

 

626

00:16:21,647 --> 00:16:22,715

we're in the finishing process

 

627

00:16:22,715 --> 00:16:23,882

and what can go wrong.

 

628

00:16:23,882 --> 00:16:24,817

I really like that.

 

629

00:16:24,817 --> 00:16:26,585

You talked about acclimating to finish.

 

630

00:16:26,585 --> 00:16:29,221

That's in the winter and summer, correct?

 

631

00:16:29,221 --> 00:16:31,390

Well, and I always say that

 

632

00:16:31,390 --> 00:16:32,191

that kind of staying

 

633

00:16:32,191 --> 00:16:33,392

is the same kind of staying

 

634

00:16:33,392 --> 00:16:35,561

as it is in January, as it is in August,

 

635

00:16:35,828 --> 00:16:38,130

as it is in Alaska, as it is in Florida,

 

636

00:16:38,130 --> 00:16:39,498

it's the same state

 

637

00:16:39,498 --> 00:16:40,866

is just reacts

 

638

00:16:40,866 --> 00:16:42,034

based on temperature

 

639

00:16:42,034 --> 00:16:43,402

and relative humidity in your

 

640

00:16:43,402 --> 00:16:44,903

in your environment.

 

641

00:16:44,903 --> 00:16:46,438

And it's just so damn important

 

642

00:16:46,438 --> 00:16:48,073

not to push those things.

 

643

00:16:48,073 --> 00:16:49,041

Again, we're staying is

 

644

00:16:49,041 --> 00:16:49,808

staying is an area

 

645

00:16:49,808 --> 00:16:51,944

that gets a lot of guys into trouble

 

646

00:16:51,944 --> 00:16:54,279

because you can you can stay in the floor

 

647

00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,048

and we've we've all

 

648

00:16:56,048 --> 00:16:56,515

if you've been

 

649

00:16:56,515 --> 00:16:57,950

in the tourist force for 30 years,

 

650

00:16:57,950 --> 00:17:00,819

we've all tried to wish staying dry.

 

651

00:17:00,819 --> 00:17:03,088

You know what I mean? It doesn't. Work.

 

652

00:17:03,088 --> 00:17:04,523

If you smell it,

 

653

00:17:04,523 --> 00:17:06,992

you just smells a little bit too strong

 

654

00:17:06,992 --> 00:17:09,061

and your feet are just a little too tacky

 

655

00:17:09,061 --> 00:17:09,928

and that there's a

 

656

00:17:09,928 --> 00:17:11,997

you did the white stain transfer

 

657

00:17:11,997 --> 00:17:14,767

and it was just a little bit on there.

 

658

00:17:15,167 --> 00:17:15,834

And you want

 

659

00:17:15,834 --> 00:17:16,802

you really

 

660

00:17:16,802 --> 00:17:17,903

you really want to get that

 

661

00:17:17,903 --> 00:17:19,038

that first coat on.

 

662

00:17:19,038 --> 00:17:21,173

But you should dry can you.

 

663

00:17:21,173 --> 00:17:22,975

Can't if you do

 

664

00:17:23,942 --> 00:17:25,210

I'm telling you

 

665

00:17:25,210 --> 00:17:27,813

if you do and that's and that peels

 

666

00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,783

it might not peel right away

 

667

00:17:30,783 --> 00:17:33,485

it might not peel for six months.

 

668

00:17:33,485 --> 00:17:34,753

But when we go back in

 

669

00:17:34,753 --> 00:17:36,789

and we look at a floor, when someone says

 

670

00:17:36,789 --> 00:17:37,423

all of a sudden

 

671

00:17:37,423 --> 00:17:37,923

there's

 

672

00:17:37,923 --> 00:17:38,924

there's white spots

 

673

00:17:38,924 --> 00:17:41,193

underneath my floor finish

 

674

00:17:41,193 --> 00:17:42,961

and you reach down and you pull that back

 

675

00:17:42,961 --> 00:17:44,163

and you see the woodgrain

 

676

00:17:44,163 --> 00:17:46,231

or you possibly see the stain color

 

677

00:17:46,698 --> 00:17:48,100

on the bottom of that finish.

 

678

00:17:48,100 --> 00:17:50,169

You know, that that finish was applied

 

679

00:17:50,169 --> 00:17:51,670

before the stain was dry.

 

680

00:17:51,670 --> 00:17:52,471

Yeah.

 

681

00:17:52,538 --> 00:17:53,605

You know, back to what

 

682

00:17:53,605 --> 00:17:55,174

Wayne was just saying.

 

683

00:17:55,174 --> 00:17:57,609

When I'm not doing the classes,

 

684

00:17:57,609 --> 00:17:59,778

I'm on the the bone attack line

 

685

00:18:00,212 --> 00:18:03,382

and it's amazing how many guys

 

686

00:18:04,083 --> 00:18:05,284

run into issues

 

687

00:18:05,284 --> 00:18:07,553

because they push chemicals.

 

688

00:18:07,553 --> 00:18:10,222

Yeah, I'm I'm shocked about something.

 

689

00:18:10,222 --> 00:18:12,524

I talk about it every class I do

 

690

00:18:12,524 --> 00:18:13,625

and I tell everybody,

 

691

00:18:13,625 --> 00:18:15,427

you can install flooring

 

692

00:18:15,427 --> 00:18:16,995

until your arm falls off.

 

693

00:18:16,995 --> 00:18:18,063

You can

 

694

00:18:18,097 --> 00:18:19,364

run machines

 

695

00:18:19,364 --> 00:18:21,800

24 hours a day until you blow motor.

 

696

00:18:22,701 --> 00:18:24,937

But you can't like

 

697

00:18:24,937 --> 00:18:25,804

Wayne was just saying,

 

698

00:18:25,804 --> 00:18:28,073

you can't wish these products dry.

 

699

00:18:28,607 --> 00:18:29,908

You push chemical

 

700

00:18:29,908 --> 00:18:31,710

and it'll push you back and knock

 

701

00:18:31,710 --> 00:18:33,445

you over every single time.

 

702

00:18:34,546 --> 00:18:34,980

That's why I

 

703

00:18:34,980 --> 00:18:35,214

think

 

704

00:18:35,214 --> 00:18:37,950

environmental control is so important.

 

705

00:18:38,784 --> 00:18:41,353

When we're doing stains and finishes.

 

706

00:18:42,521 --> 00:18:43,689

You know, it's it's it.

 

707

00:18:43,689 --> 00:18:44,056

Well,

 

708

00:18:44,490 --> 00:18:45,457

the word that was used

 

709

00:18:45,457 --> 00:18:46,892

at the beginning of conversation

 

710

00:18:46,892 --> 00:18:49,661

was science. Science.

 

711

00:18:49,661 --> 00:18:50,829

I mean, those chemicals have to

 

712

00:18:50,829 --> 00:18:52,998

they have to work together.

 

713

00:18:52,998 --> 00:18:54,199

And the only thing that's going to change

 

714

00:18:54,199 --> 00:18:56,301

that is, is

 

715

00:18:56,668 --> 00:18:59,404

the conditions aren't correct.

 

716

00:18:59,404 --> 00:19:01,640

I go back to what you were saying about

 

717

00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,609

we're almost weathermen.

 

718

00:19:03,675 --> 00:19:04,376

Yeah.

 

719

00:19:04,376 --> 00:19:05,844

On the inside of the house. Yeah.

 

720

00:19:05,844 --> 00:19:07,713

And we know

 

721

00:19:07,713 --> 00:19:09,481

and I do tell that to

 

722

00:19:09,481 --> 00:19:10,382

a lot of my students

 

723

00:19:10,382 --> 00:19:12,885

do is become a master of weather

 

724

00:19:13,085 --> 00:19:15,420

and environmental control

 

725

00:19:15,921 --> 00:19:18,457

because that can sometimes buy you time

 

726

00:19:19,057 --> 00:19:19,491

where.

 

727

00:19:19,491 --> 00:19:21,093

Yeah no the people

 

728

00:19:21,093 --> 00:19:22,961

my son I was helping him coat a job

 

729

00:19:22,961 --> 00:19:24,963

one day pouring rain out.

 

730

00:19:24,963 --> 00:19:27,366

It was a Saturday and we get all done.

 

731

00:19:27,366 --> 00:19:28,800

I go, Hey, you want to go get some coffee

 

732

00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:29,601

or breakfast something?

 

733

00:19:29,601 --> 00:19:30,602

And he goes,

 

734

00:19:30,602 --> 00:19:30,969

Oh, no,

 

735

00:19:30,969 --> 00:19:32,871

I got to get two more coats on today. Oh,

 

736

00:19:33,839 --> 00:19:34,873

because

 

737

00:19:36,608 --> 00:19:37,442

the people are coming

 

738

00:19:37,442 --> 00:19:40,412

home Monday I go, Not you, not my son.

 

739

00:19:40,546 --> 00:19:42,281

No way

 

740

00:19:42,481 --> 00:19:44,283

I go, absolutely.

 

741

00:19:44,283 --> 00:19:45,751

He goes, I can't.

 

742

00:19:45,751 --> 00:19:47,953

I go, No, you can't.

 

743

00:19:47,953 --> 00:19:49,955

I said, You absolutely can't.

 

744

00:19:49,955 --> 00:19:52,191

I go, you've got a great excuse. Okay.

 

745

00:19:52,424 --> 00:19:54,693

It's pouring rain out. It's cold.

 

746

00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,130

The weather conditions are horrible

 

747

00:19:58,597 --> 00:19:59,264

to get this.

 

748

00:19:59,264 --> 00:20:01,200

I said use that to your advantage.

 

749

00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,368

I said on the back of every bottle

 

750

00:20:04,203 --> 00:20:05,270

of boner,

 

751

00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:06,705

it has the temperature

 

752

00:20:06,705 --> 00:20:09,141

and humidity recommendations.

 

753

00:20:09,374 --> 00:20:10,509

I said you just point

 

754

00:20:10,509 --> 00:20:12,044

that out to the homeowner

 

755

00:20:12,044 --> 00:20:13,412

and you get to go.

 

756

00:20:13,412 --> 00:20:15,614

I said, become a master whether

 

757

00:20:16,048 --> 00:20:17,282

because it will definitely buy

 

758

00:20:17,282 --> 00:20:18,450

you some time

 

759

00:20:18,450 --> 00:20:20,852

when you when you need to buy time.

 

760

00:20:20,852 --> 00:20:21,186

Right.

 

761

00:20:21,186 --> 00:20:23,488

Because you just can't

 

762

00:20:23,488 --> 00:20:26,525

you just can't go by the counter.

 

763

00:20:26,525 --> 00:20:27,826

Well, the homeowner hired

 

764

00:20:27,826 --> 00:20:29,461

your son as a professional

 

765

00:20:29,461 --> 00:20:31,730

and they want him to act professionally.

 

766

00:20:31,730 --> 00:20:32,998

And it's not that he isn't.

 

767

00:20:32,998 --> 00:20:34,099

He's trying to he's

 

768

00:20:34,099 --> 00:20:35,100

trying to be professional

 

769

00:20:35,100 --> 00:20:37,069

by meeting their schedule

 

770

00:20:37,069 --> 00:20:38,737

as good customer service.

 

771

00:20:39,738 --> 00:20:40,839

But they also it's

 

772

00:20:40,839 --> 00:20:42,608

like our auto mechanics.

 

773

00:20:42,608 --> 00:20:44,443

We have to trust what they tell us.

 

774

00:20:44,443 --> 00:20:46,111

If we if we know him.

 

775

00:20:46,111 --> 00:20:46,445

Right.

 

776

00:20:46,445 --> 00:20:47,246

So

 

777

00:20:48,413 --> 00:20:49,982

your son has to rely on

 

778

00:20:49,982 --> 00:20:51,183

his professionalism

 

779

00:20:51,183 --> 00:20:52,050

and his expertize

 

780

00:20:52,050 --> 00:20:54,653

to look those customer in the eye and say

 

781

00:20:54,653 --> 00:20:56,154

it started raining today.

 

782

00:20:56,154 --> 00:20:56,822

Things have changed.

 

783

00:20:56,822 --> 00:20:58,790

You know, it's it's going back to it.

 

784

00:20:58,790 --> 00:21:00,859

So that's exactly where I go.

 

785

00:21:01,660 --> 00:21:02,227

Here it is.

 

786

00:21:02,227 --> 00:21:04,129

I said we'll help you.

 

787

00:21:04,129 --> 00:21:05,797

I said, Bone, we will even help you out.

 

788

00:21:05,797 --> 00:21:08,000

It's right there on the bottom. Yeah.

 

789

00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,168

All you have to do is say, look here.

 

790

00:21:10,168 --> 00:21:11,670

You don't want me back.

 

791

00:21:11,670 --> 00:21:14,740

You go pull out your Don Gardner iPhone.

 

792

00:21:15,274 --> 00:21:18,076

There it is.

 

793

00:21:18,076 --> 00:21:19,244

There's an expression I've said

 

794

00:21:19,244 --> 00:21:20,012

many times

 

795

00:21:20,012 --> 00:21:21,346

is that, you know,

 

796

00:21:21,346 --> 00:21:22,848

I usually I have this conversation

 

797

00:21:22,848 --> 00:21:23,749

at the front end of the job

 

798

00:21:23,749 --> 00:21:25,784

when when about acclimation in the sub

 

799

00:21:25,784 --> 00:21:27,085

48 or whatever.

 

800

00:21:27,085 --> 00:21:29,488

Is that, you know, you have a schedule.

 

801

00:21:29,488 --> 00:21:30,889

I have a schedule.

 

802

00:21:30,889 --> 00:21:32,190

But what is a schedule two.

 

803

00:21:32,190 --> 00:21:34,259

And it doesn't care about us, right?

 

804

00:21:34,259 --> 00:21:35,360

It's just the way it is.

 

805

00:21:37,062 --> 00:21:37,829

Trick wiping.

 

806

00:21:37,829 --> 00:21:39,631

And I see guys now you know what?

 

807

00:21:39,631 --> 00:21:40,265

Buffing on

 

808

00:21:40,265 --> 00:21:42,301

stain has become very popular, right?

 

809

00:21:42,334 --> 00:21:42,901

Thank goodness.

 

810

00:21:42,901 --> 00:21:45,270

By the way, you can stand up and you can.

 

811

00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:46,905

You can. It's just one more technique.

 

812

00:21:46,905 --> 00:21:48,307

It just gets us off our knees.

 

813

00:21:48,307 --> 00:21:50,676

And part of what Rob and I talk about

 

814

00:21:50,676 --> 00:21:51,510

a lot is, you know,

 

815

00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:52,844

you do things that

 

816

00:21:52,844 --> 00:21:54,046

that maybe you can add

 

817

00:21:54,046 --> 00:21:55,213

longevity to your job.

 

818

00:21:55,213 --> 00:21:55,981

Maybe you can career

 

819

00:21:55,981 --> 00:21:57,783

your career cannot last

 

820

00:21:57,783 --> 00:21:59,217

five years longer.

 

821

00:21:59,217 --> 00:22:02,054

You know, and one of these things maybe,

 

822

00:22:02,054 --> 00:22:04,189

you know, staining with the buffer,

 

823

00:22:04,189 --> 00:22:05,524

but sometimes I see guys

 

824

00:22:05,524 --> 00:22:06,992

staying with a buffer

 

825

00:22:06,992 --> 00:22:09,027

and like 2000 feet

 

826

00:22:09,027 --> 00:22:10,095

and they're not changing the pad out

 

827

00:22:10,095 --> 00:22:10,862

and whatever.

 

828

00:22:10,862 --> 00:22:11,463

And they're not

 

829

00:22:11,463 --> 00:22:13,165

they're not bringing it back.

 

830

00:22:13,165 --> 00:22:14,399

They're not wiping it back off

 

831

00:22:14,399 --> 00:22:16,301

or going back with a dry towel,

 

832

00:22:16,301 --> 00:22:18,003

but then coming in

 

833

00:22:18,003 --> 00:22:20,272

after a short amount of time and

 

834

00:22:20,539 --> 00:22:23,375

and put the first coat on where I think.

 

835

00:22:23,375 --> 00:22:24,142

Yes, technically.

 

836

00:22:24,142 --> 00:22:24,543

Did you

 

837

00:22:24,543 --> 00:22:25,410

did you buff on

 

838

00:22:25,410 --> 00:22:26,278

both the floor or whatever?

 

839

00:22:26,278 --> 00:22:28,046

Technically you can say that you did,

 

840

00:22:28,046 --> 00:22:30,482

but did you really wear that stain?

 

841

00:22:30,482 --> 00:22:31,483

It's really been it's

 

842

00:22:31,483 --> 00:22:33,352

almost like trick wiping the floor

 

843

00:22:33,352 --> 00:22:34,653

or you wiped on the stain,

 

844

00:22:34,653 --> 00:22:36,755

but you didn't thoroughly wipe it off.

 

845

00:22:36,755 --> 00:22:37,589

A lot of times

 

846

00:22:37,589 --> 00:22:38,357

back in the old days

 

847

00:22:38,357 --> 00:22:40,092

before we did this, like when we did a

 

848

00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:42,961

water pop floors,

 

849

00:22:42,961 --> 00:22:45,263

one person would wipe on the stain

 

850

00:22:45,263 --> 00:22:47,132

me because I'm the oldest

 

851

00:22:47,399 --> 00:22:48,600

and then another brother

 

852

00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:49,935

would come behind and wipe off,

 

853

00:22:49,935 --> 00:22:50,936

and yet a third person

 

854

00:22:50,936 --> 00:22:51,803

would come behind him

 

855

00:22:51,803 --> 00:22:53,739

and wipe off his excess

 

856

00:22:53,739 --> 00:22:55,273

and abusive expression.

 

857

00:22:55,273 --> 00:22:56,408

You've got to wipe off like a man.

 

858

00:22:56,408 --> 00:22:57,709

You got to really put your elbows

 

859

00:22:57,709 --> 00:22:58,076

into it.

 

860

00:22:58,076 --> 00:22:58,710

And, you know,

 

861

00:22:58,710 --> 00:23:00,812

it's it's you'd be hard work.

 

862

00:23:00,812 --> 00:23:02,981

But I think that can also lend itself to

 

863

00:23:05,117 --> 00:23:06,752

peeling stain and that kind of stuff.

 

864

00:23:06,752 --> 00:23:08,120

If you're not careful with that.

 

865

00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:09,054

Without question.

 

866

00:23:09,054 --> 00:23:09,788

Without question.

 

867

00:23:09,788 --> 00:23:11,890

You again, the

 

868

00:23:13,392 --> 00:23:15,127

you'll know right away.

 

869

00:23:15,127 --> 00:23:15,961

You'll know right away

 

870

00:23:15,961 --> 00:23:17,896

if it's if it's peeling from the stain

 

871

00:23:17,896 --> 00:23:18,997

or it's peeling between coats.

 

872

00:23:18,997 --> 00:23:20,098

So, you know,

 

873

00:23:20,098 --> 00:23:21,800

you pretty much can tell

 

874

00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,235

exactly what happened.

 

875

00:23:23,235 --> 00:23:24,102

Okay.

 

876

00:23:24,102 --> 00:23:27,139

So when you talked about lighting a while

 

877

00:23:27,139 --> 00:23:28,240

back, about how lighting is

 

878

00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,341

kind of changed everything

 

879

00:23:29,341 --> 00:23:30,175

and you can use

 

880

00:23:30,175 --> 00:23:31,476

lights in near your advantage,

 

881

00:23:31,476 --> 00:23:33,145

whatever your light source is a big deal

 

882

00:23:33,145 --> 00:23:36,648

on job sites and operating between codes.

 

883

00:23:36,648 --> 00:23:37,482

I think when they started

 

884

00:23:37,482 --> 00:23:38,717

putting candlelight in the ceiling,

 

885

00:23:38,717 --> 00:23:41,052

it changes this change the game, right?

 

886

00:23:41,052 --> 00:23:42,988

I remember when my uncle was an old,

 

887

00:23:42,988 --> 00:23:44,289

old floor guy.

 

888

00:23:44,289 --> 00:23:45,690

We'd be in kitchens

 

889

00:23:45,690 --> 00:23:46,291

and I'll certainly

 

890

00:23:46,291 --> 00:23:47,526

be looking at swirl marks

 

891

00:23:47,526 --> 00:23:48,560

and he'd be like, What?

 

892

00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:49,995

I mean, he's furious about it, whatever,

 

893

00:23:49,995 --> 00:23:51,430

because you don't see him over here.

 

894

00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:52,564

And that was always his argument.

 

895

00:23:52,564 --> 00:23:54,533

We don't see him back in that bedroom.

 

896

00:23:54,533 --> 00:23:55,033

Well, yeah, well,

 

897

00:23:55,033 --> 00:23:56,635

there's candlelight to the ceiling,

 

898

00:23:56,635 --> 00:23:58,003

so that that kind of changed

 

899

00:23:58,003 --> 00:23:59,971

the way you and I would imagine

 

900

00:23:59,971 --> 00:24:02,574

reading between coats also is something

 

901

00:24:02,574 --> 00:24:03,642

you might run across.

 

902

00:24:05,243 --> 00:24:06,344

I would say probably what

 

903

00:24:06,344 --> 00:24:08,447

I've seen inspecting floors,

 

904

00:24:08,447 --> 00:24:09,815

if you see those scratches

 

905

00:24:09,815 --> 00:24:11,450

in that top coat,

 

906

00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:13,118

won't wind back up again.

 

907

00:24:13,118 --> 00:24:15,020

The positive side of the chemicals

 

908

00:24:15,020 --> 00:24:15,720

in the finishes

 

909

00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:16,655

that we're using today

 

910

00:24:16,655 --> 00:24:18,690

or eliminating a lot of those scratches,

 

911

00:24:18,957 --> 00:24:19,991

if you go back

 

912

00:24:19,991 --> 00:24:21,827

where we are still using screens,

 

913

00:24:21,827 --> 00:24:24,062

maroon pads hadn't been invented yet.

 

914

00:24:24,062 --> 00:24:26,598

We weren't using to 20 strips on it,

 

915

00:24:26,598 --> 00:24:27,599

you know, so

 

916

00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:29,134

so you're either using a screen

 

917

00:24:29,134 --> 00:24:29,701

that's six

 

918

00:24:29,701 --> 00:24:31,303

or seven years old and barely,

 

919

00:24:31,303 --> 00:24:32,571

you know, you're trying to do everything

 

920

00:24:32,571 --> 00:24:33,872

you can to a braid

 

921

00:24:33,872 --> 00:24:38,043

without scratching that floor.

 

922

00:24:38,043 --> 00:24:42,514

The overhead lights kill you.

 

923

00:24:42,514 --> 00:24:43,615

We didn't have an issue

 

924

00:24:43,615 --> 00:24:45,016

because we took a different approach.

 

925

00:24:45,016 --> 00:24:46,384

We took maroon pads.

 

926

00:24:46,384 --> 00:24:47,652

We were very careful.

 

927

00:24:47,652 --> 00:24:49,788

We would go slower on our abrasion

 

928

00:24:50,388 --> 00:24:52,591

with a maroon pad and stay longer.

 

929

00:24:52,591 --> 00:24:54,392

So we didn't have those scratch marks.

 

930

00:24:54,392 --> 00:24:56,661

We kept we kept the pads clean.

 

931

00:24:56,661 --> 00:24:58,763

A lot of times we would vacuum the pads

 

932

00:24:58,763 --> 00:24:59,464

as we're going.

 

933

00:24:59,464 --> 00:25:01,032

So you don't get that buildup or grab

 

934

00:25:01,032 --> 00:25:02,200

that little grit of sand

 

935

00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,702

somewhere and start

 

936

00:25:03,702 --> 00:25:05,170

scratching that floor.

 

937

00:25:05,170 --> 00:25:07,205

But in today's world where

 

938

00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:11,076

you can put your first coat on a braid,

 

939

00:25:11,076 --> 00:25:12,744

put your second coat on,

 

940

00:25:12,744 --> 00:25:14,446

and then go back in the following morning

 

941

00:25:14,446 --> 00:25:15,780

and you don't have to breathe again.

 

942

00:25:15,780 --> 00:25:17,916

So the chances of seeing a scratch

 

943

00:25:17,916 --> 00:25:18,617

pattern

 

944

00:25:18,617 --> 00:25:20,652

have been pretty much eliminated in in

 

945

00:25:21,086 --> 00:25:21,853

in my world

 

946

00:25:21,853 --> 00:25:25,457

with the water based finishes.

 

947

00:25:25,457 --> 00:25:25,724

But

 

948

00:25:26,791 --> 00:25:28,527

to give Rob something here.

 

949

00:25:28,527 --> 00:25:29,528

Yes, believe it or not,

 

950

00:25:29,528 --> 00:25:31,263

even if we didn't a braid

 

951

00:25:31,263 --> 00:25:32,831

between the second and third coat,

 

952

00:25:32,831 --> 00:25:35,967

we still tack the floor the next morning

 

953

00:25:35,967 --> 00:25:37,269

we we tacked the floor.

 

954

00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:38,303

But anyway.

 

955

00:25:38,303 --> 00:25:40,672

I do that too when I'm hot coating.

 

956

00:25:41,540 --> 00:25:42,541

Oh, there you go. Okay.

 

957

00:25:42,541 --> 00:25:43,341

Okay, I'll.

 

958

00:25:43,341 --> 00:25:45,544

I'll do that too. Okay.

 

959

00:25:45,544 --> 00:25:47,112

Believe me, I don't like doing it.

 

960

00:25:47,112 --> 00:25:48,446

I'm not a fan of it, but.

 

961

00:25:48,446 --> 00:25:49,481

No, I know.

 

962

00:25:49,481 --> 00:25:51,583

And, but, but the benefit of it is.

 

963

00:25:52,150 --> 00:25:53,118

Actually.

 

964

00:25:53,852 --> 00:25:56,521

I just want to jump back to something

 

965

00:25:56,521 --> 00:25:59,758

he was talking about.

 

966

00:25:59,758 --> 00:26:00,926

I love that

 

967

00:26:00,926 --> 00:26:04,062

you still work out of a poor cat.

 

968

00:26:04,062 --> 00:26:05,397

Because I do, too.

 

969

00:26:05,397 --> 00:26:05,931

Yeah.

 

970

00:26:05,931 --> 00:26:07,933

All all my finishes.

 

971

00:26:07,933 --> 00:26:10,101

I'm always working out of a poor can.

 

972

00:26:10,101 --> 00:26:11,069

And

 

973

00:26:11,803 --> 00:26:13,805

the reason that I do it is so that way.

 

974

00:26:13,805 --> 00:26:14,773

I'm never starting

 

975

00:26:14,773 --> 00:26:15,941

with a fresh gallon

 

976

00:26:15,941 --> 00:26:17,208

in the middle of a room.

 

977

00:26:17,208 --> 00:26:20,145

Yeah, so I'm not going to get well,

 

978

00:26:20,145 --> 00:26:21,246

knock on wood.

 

979

00:26:21,246 --> 00:26:22,981

Hopefully I'll never get bit by that

 

980

00:26:24,049 --> 00:26:25,684

change of seasons in between or

 

981

00:26:25,684 --> 00:26:27,052

especially now

 

982

00:26:27,052 --> 00:26:29,220

where you know, the lower

 

983

00:26:29,220 --> 00:26:30,255

sheen level, the better.

 

984

00:26:30,255 --> 00:26:31,256

Everybody's just going

 

985

00:26:31,256 --> 00:26:32,891

lower and lower and lower. Right.

 

986

00:26:32,891 --> 00:26:34,826

So you can see a lot more,

 

987

00:26:34,826 --> 00:26:35,093

you know,

 

988

00:26:35,093 --> 00:26:35,760

just in case

 

989

00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:36,695

maybe one jug

 

990

00:26:36,695 --> 00:26:37,662

didn't get

 

991

00:26:37,662 --> 00:26:39,397

mixed up enough or, you know, it

 

992

00:26:39,397 --> 00:26:40,966

sat on a shelf someplace

 

993

00:26:40,966 --> 00:26:43,268

a little bit longer than something else

 

994

00:26:43,268 --> 00:26:45,236

and they didn't get a complete mix.

 

995

00:26:45,236 --> 00:26:45,937

Well,

 

996

00:26:46,037 --> 00:26:47,272

as long as you're working out of that

 

997

00:26:47,272 --> 00:26:49,507

poor can, you have enough?

 

998

00:26:49,741 --> 00:26:51,409

Because your poor kids

 

999

00:26:51,409 --> 00:26:52,243

probably like my probably

 

1000

00:26:52,243 --> 00:26:53,712

a two gallon again gallon.

 

1001

00:26:53,712 --> 00:26:56,281

Yeah so I mean that's enough to do

 

1002

00:26:56,448 --> 00:26:58,383

you know, 700 feet.

 

1003

00:26:58,383 --> 00:27:00,352

I mean if we honestly rob if we

 

1004

00:27:00,352 --> 00:27:03,021

if we knew, let's say we're going to do

 

1005

00:27:03,021 --> 00:27:06,358

22,000 feet of application,

 

1006

00:27:07,792 --> 00:27:08,460

we would mix

 

1007

00:27:08,460 --> 00:27:09,661

all of those containers

 

1008

00:27:09,661 --> 00:27:10,562

and then we would blend

 

1009

00:27:10,562 --> 00:27:12,430

all of those containers. Absolutely.

 

1010

00:27:12,430 --> 00:27:14,265

We pour the two in there with pour one.

 

1011

00:27:14,265 --> 00:27:16,201

So we do that whole mixing.

 

1012

00:27:16,201 --> 00:27:17,569

So we knew that that one bottle

 

1013

00:27:17,569 --> 00:27:18,670

bottle number three,

 

1014

00:27:18,670 --> 00:27:20,772

maybe my brother's in the bedroom

 

1015

00:27:20,772 --> 00:27:21,806

and we're going to meet somewhere

 

1016

00:27:21,806 --> 00:27:22,140

in the middle.

 

1017

00:27:22,140 --> 00:27:23,942

But all of our finishes

 

1018

00:27:23,942 --> 00:27:26,244

have all come out of the one

 

1019

00:27:26,244 --> 00:27:28,947

bucket of, of mixed finish.

 

1020

00:27:28,947 --> 00:27:29,481

Yeah.

 

1021

00:27:29,481 --> 00:27:30,148

Because I,

 

1022

00:27:30,148 --> 00:27:31,082

I think sometimes

 

1023

00:27:31,082 --> 00:27:31,683

people think I'm

 

1024

00:27:31,683 --> 00:27:32,984

a nut during the class

 

1025

00:27:32,984 --> 00:27:35,520

because I get really nuts about

 

1026

00:27:35,987 --> 00:27:37,422

you never

 

1027

00:27:37,422 --> 00:27:38,790

want to get halfway through a room

 

1028

00:27:38,790 --> 00:27:40,492

and then crack open a well,

 

1029

00:27:40,492 --> 00:27:41,626

I don't care what it is.

 

1030

00:27:41,626 --> 00:27:43,762

You know, poly oil, water doesn't matter.

 

1031

00:27:44,095 --> 00:27:46,531

Regular topcoat, it doesn't matter.

 

1032

00:27:46,865 --> 00:27:49,601

But I second generation floor guy by

 

1033

00:27:49,601 --> 00:27:49,934

the way

 

1034

00:27:51,169 --> 00:27:51,970

who me.

 

1035

00:27:51,970 --> 00:27:52,637

Yeah.

 

1036

00:27:53,405 --> 00:27:55,507

I actually I'm the first generation.

 

1037

00:27:55,507 --> 00:27:56,574

My, my

 

1038

00:27:56,574 --> 00:27:58,510

my son would be the second generation.

 

1039

00:27:58,510 --> 00:28:00,512

My brother, my brother's.

 

1040

00:28:00,512 --> 00:28:01,546

I have a brother in the flooring

 

1041

00:28:01,546 --> 00:28:03,214

business in Denver.

 

1042

00:28:03,214 --> 00:28:05,750

And so again, because

 

1043

00:28:06,951 --> 00:28:07,485

I quit,

 

1044

00:28:07,485 --> 00:28:09,254

I was going to be a woodshop teacher

 

1045

00:28:09,254 --> 00:28:11,256

and I didn't I hated being in class.

 

1046

00:28:11,256 --> 00:28:13,425

So I got that. I went call that guy.

 

1047

00:28:13,425 --> 00:28:15,093

So I actually learned the trade

 

1048

00:28:15,093 --> 00:28:15,827

in my family.

 

1049

00:28:15,827 --> 00:28:17,529

My dad was an auto mechanic.

 

1050

00:28:17,529 --> 00:28:20,432

I'll be darned. Okay. Yeah.

 

1051

00:28:20,432 --> 00:28:21,433

And the age

 

1052

00:28:21,433 --> 00:28:25,303

difference between you and your brother?

 

1053

00:28:25,303 --> 00:28:26,237

Eight years.

 

1054

00:28:26,237 --> 00:28:28,173

Okay, well, it's pretty big span.

 

1055

00:28:28,173 --> 00:28:29,340

Yeah. Yeah, he.

 

1056

00:28:29,340 --> 00:28:30,341

He actually was interesting.

 

1057

00:28:30,341 --> 00:28:30,842

It was interesting

 

1058

00:28:30,842 --> 00:28:33,078

because he was looking for something

 

1059

00:28:33,078 --> 00:28:34,245

to do when he got out of high school,

 

1060

00:28:34,245 --> 00:28:35,580

he said, I don't want to go to college.

 

1061

00:28:35,580 --> 00:28:36,114

He's just,

 

1062

00:28:36,114 --> 00:28:36,414

you know,

 

1063

00:28:36,414 --> 00:28:38,850

he's a real good hands on kind of guy.

 

1064

00:28:39,484 --> 00:28:40,985

And I needed at the time,

 

1065

00:28:40,985 --> 00:28:43,221

I was already working for myself

 

1066

00:28:43,221 --> 00:28:44,823

and I said, Hey,

 

1067

00:28:44,823 --> 00:28:46,658

why don't you come out and help me?

 

1068

00:28:46,658 --> 00:28:47,926

And he came out and helped me

 

1069

00:28:47,926 --> 00:28:48,660

and we started

 

1070

00:28:48,660 --> 00:28:49,561

kind of working a little bit.

 

1071

00:28:49,561 --> 00:28:50,929

He actually served as apprentice

 

1072

00:28:50,929 --> 00:28:53,998

with me, an apprenticeship, went off

 

1073

00:28:53,998 --> 00:28:56,101

and got his own flooring license,

 

1074

00:28:56,101 --> 00:28:57,302

started his own business

 

1075

00:28:57,302 --> 00:28:59,170

in the San Francisco area.

 

1076

00:28:59,170 --> 00:29:01,506

And then finally, one day

 

1077

00:29:01,506 --> 00:29:02,674

I was trading labor.

 

1078

00:29:02,674 --> 00:29:03,942

I would help him on a job

 

1079

00:29:03,942 --> 00:29:05,043

he to help me, that kind of thing.

 

1080

00:29:05,043 --> 00:29:06,544

I said, you know, why don't we just

 

1081

00:29:06,544 --> 00:29:07,645

what are we doing here?

 

1082

00:29:07,645 --> 00:29:10,348

Yeah, but we kind of connected in

 

1083

00:29:10,348 --> 00:29:11,082

the mid eighties.

 

1084

00:29:12,617 --> 00:29:13,051

Because I'm

 

1085

00:29:13,051 --> 00:29:15,320

always curious like guys that like,

 

1086

00:29:15,386 --> 00:29:16,955

like you, you have,

 

1087

00:29:16,955 --> 00:29:17,922

you have a great

 

1088

00:29:17,922 --> 00:29:19,691

and always have had a great reputation

 

1089

00:29:19,691 --> 00:29:21,392

as a floor man in the Bay Area.

 

1090

00:29:21,392 --> 00:29:22,861

That's just the way it is.

 

1091

00:29:22,861 --> 00:29:24,662

And I'm always

 

1092

00:29:24,662 --> 00:29:26,464

curious how some guys do that

 

1093

00:29:26,464 --> 00:29:27,866

because they're second generation

 

1094

00:29:27,866 --> 00:29:28,800

and their dad

 

1095

00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,368

or third generation or like rob

 

1096

00:29:30,368 --> 00:29:31,336

the five generations

 

1097

00:29:31,336 --> 00:29:32,771

where it's just been India,

 

1098

00:29:32,771 --> 00:29:33,972

like you were up in the trade

 

1099

00:29:33,972 --> 00:29:34,973

and you learn,

 

1100

00:29:34,973 --> 00:29:36,508

you learn this bumble boom.

 

1101

00:29:36,508 --> 00:29:37,942

But when you're first generation

 

1102

00:29:37,942 --> 00:29:39,878

like that floor person,

 

1103

00:29:39,878 --> 00:29:42,480

you, you know, you're

 

1104

00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,582

you're getting there also,

 

1105

00:29:44,582 --> 00:29:46,284

but you're getting there on your own

 

1106

00:29:46,284 --> 00:29:46,785

in the school.

 

1107

00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:48,953

Hard knocks and and,

 

1108

00:29:48,953 --> 00:29:49,220

you know,

 

1109

00:29:49,220 --> 00:29:49,921

which is kind of,

 

1110

00:29:49,921 --> 00:29:51,956

you know, I worked with my uncle for

 

1111

00:29:51,956 --> 00:29:53,124

for a short period of time,

 

1112

00:29:53,124 --> 00:29:54,793

but then we raised my brothers

 

1113

00:29:54,793 --> 00:29:57,028

and I raised each other's doing floors.

 

1114

00:29:57,028 --> 00:29:58,596

And yeah, I was

 

1115

00:29:58,596 --> 00:29:59,831

it was a learning process,

 

1116

00:29:59,831 --> 00:30:00,632

but we were always

 

1117

00:30:00,632 --> 00:30:02,100

really careful about that

 

1118

00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:03,134

if we like, again,

 

1119

00:30:03,134 --> 00:30:04,636

going back to the transition

 

1120

00:30:04,636 --> 00:30:06,237

between oil finish and

 

1121

00:30:06,237 --> 00:30:08,173

and when the water base

 

1122

00:30:08,173 --> 00:30:09,040

came on the market,

 

1123

00:30:10,074 --> 00:30:11,309

that was such a learning curve.

 

1124

00:30:11,309 --> 00:30:12,243

I'm thinking,

 

1125

00:30:12,644 --> 00:30:13,878

you're not just going to hand me

 

1126

00:30:13,878 --> 00:30:15,313

a bottle of this and go, Oh, okay,

 

1127

00:30:15,313 --> 00:30:16,514

we're we're using this product now.

 

1128

00:30:16,514 --> 00:30:17,882

Well, let's go.

 

1129

00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:19,417

You know, we did our research.

 

1130

00:30:19,417 --> 00:30:20,819

We took the classes,

 

1131

00:30:20,819 --> 00:30:22,453

we started talking to people.

 

1132

00:30:22,453 --> 00:30:24,189

We tried to figure it out.

 

1133

00:30:24,189 --> 00:30:25,523

We started off with small jobs

 

1134

00:30:25,523 --> 00:30:27,392

so that if this didn't turn out

 

1135

00:30:27,392 --> 00:30:28,493

like we wanted,

 

1136

00:30:28,493 --> 00:30:31,095

it was a bedroom instead of 2500 feet.

 

1137

00:30:32,430 --> 00:30:35,066

So let's talk about decorum.

 

1138

00:30:35,066 --> 00:30:36,901

Let's talk about you.

 

1139

00:30:36,901 --> 00:30:39,003

Find yourself in an inspection

 

1140

00:30:39,003 --> 00:30:40,572

and let's face it,

 

1141

00:30:40,572 --> 00:30:41,873

if you're in this business,

 

1142

00:30:41,873 --> 00:30:44,042

you have a lot of pride in your work.

 

1143

00:30:44,042 --> 00:30:45,243

You put your heart and soul

 

1144

00:30:45,243 --> 00:30:46,444

into this job.

 

1145

00:30:46,444 --> 00:30:48,613

And, you know,

 

1146

00:30:48,613 --> 00:30:50,148

it's not an ideal situation,

 

1147

00:30:50,148 --> 00:30:50,882

to say the least.

 

1148

00:30:50,882 --> 00:30:52,317

I mean, you're you know, you're

 

1149

00:30:52,317 --> 00:30:53,785

there's probably money on the line.

 

1150

00:30:53,785 --> 00:30:55,653

There's probably your reputation

 

1151

00:30:55,653 --> 00:30:56,988

schedule, blah, blah, blah.

 

1152

00:30:56,988 --> 00:30:59,257

So how do you how how

 

1153

00:31:00,692 --> 00:31:01,159

would a

 

1154

00:31:01,159 --> 00:31:01,860

contract your

 

1155

00:31:01,860 --> 00:31:03,661

best want to want to want to,

 

1156

00:31:03,661 --> 00:31:05,697

you know, act in this situation

 

1157

00:31:05,697 --> 00:31:06,197

when you find

 

1158

00:31:06,197 --> 00:31:07,232

because you're hated, right?

 

1159

00:31:07,232 --> 00:31:08,066

I mean, you know,

 

1160

00:31:08,066 --> 00:31:09,667

you're you're probably upset and whatever

 

1161

00:31:09,667 --> 00:31:10,635

and you probably haven't paid

 

1162

00:31:10,635 --> 00:31:12,871

and maybe justifiably you're upset

 

1163

00:31:12,871 --> 00:31:13,605

because, you know,

 

1164

00:31:13,605 --> 00:31:15,106

the homeowner is completely wrong

 

1165

00:31:15,106 --> 00:31:16,274

or the build is wrong.

 

1166

00:31:16,274 --> 00:31:17,542

So how would talk about

 

1167

00:31:17,542 --> 00:31:18,977

maybe the decorum

 

1168

00:31:18,977 --> 00:31:21,045

as as when this process happens?

 

1169

00:31:21,379 --> 00:31:22,547

You mean as a contractor,

 

1170

00:31:22,547 --> 00:31:25,450

as an inspector, as a contractor?

 

1171

00:31:25,450 --> 00:31:27,151

Probably the best thing that I can say

 

1172

00:31:27,151 --> 00:31:28,786

is don't act like you know everything.

 

1173

00:31:28,786 --> 00:31:30,588

Even though you do

 

1174

00:31:31,956 --> 00:31:36,261

have empathy for them.

 

1175

00:31:36,261 --> 00:31:38,596

Try to go in with an open mind.

 

1176

00:31:38,596 --> 00:31:39,330

You know, like you

 

1177

00:31:39,330 --> 00:31:40,932

said, we've talked about

 

1178

00:31:40,932 --> 00:31:42,333

strainers and cleanliness.

 

1179

00:31:42,333 --> 00:31:43,801

And except the fact

 

1180

00:31:43,801 --> 00:31:45,737

that you did everything possible.

 

1181

00:31:45,737 --> 00:31:47,071

But they may have a little

 

1182

00:31:48,406 --> 00:31:49,507

question about

 

1183

00:31:49,507 --> 00:31:52,343

some things.

 

1184

00:31:52,343 --> 00:31:53,611

What is their expectation?

 

1185

00:31:53,611 --> 00:31:55,747

So I think if you go in angry,

 

1186

00:31:55,747 --> 00:31:58,583

it just elevates everything.

 

1187

00:31:58,583 --> 00:32:00,818

And sometimes the homeowners

 

1188

00:32:00,818 --> 00:32:03,521

or the contractors take that approach

 

1189

00:32:03,521 --> 00:32:04,489

anyhow

 

1190

00:32:04,822 --> 00:32:06,691

because they watched it on YouTube.

 

1191

00:32:06,691 --> 00:32:08,192

We kind of joke around

 

1192

00:32:08,192 --> 00:32:10,061

about that nowadays,

 

1193

00:32:10,061 --> 00:32:11,162

but some of the times

 

1194

00:32:11,162 --> 00:32:12,463

they bring information to you.

 

1195

00:32:12,463 --> 00:32:13,998

That is correct.

 

1196

00:32:13,998 --> 00:32:17,201

They've done their homework.

 

1197

00:32:17,201 --> 00:32:19,604

So I would say if you find yourself

 

1198

00:32:19,604 --> 00:32:20,471

in that situation

 

1199

00:32:20,471 --> 00:32:23,942

as a contractor, you know,

 

1200

00:32:24,542 --> 00:32:27,078

go in and talk to them, ask them what

 

1201

00:32:27,078 --> 00:32:28,079

their concerns are,

 

1202

00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:30,415

walk the job with them.

 

1203

00:32:30,581 --> 00:32:32,350

They don't have to be pushing you around

 

1204

00:32:32,350 --> 00:32:33,318

and things like that.

 

1205

00:32:33,318 --> 00:32:34,953

If they're trying to make a statement

 

1206

00:32:34,953 --> 00:32:35,753

that is untrue,

 

1207

00:32:35,753 --> 00:32:37,088

you can certainly

 

1208

00:32:37,088 --> 00:32:38,623

counter them and say, well, no, that's

 

1209

00:32:38,623 --> 00:32:39,490

that's not correct.

 

1210

00:32:39,490 --> 00:32:43,061

We did X, Y and Z and well,

 

1211

00:32:43,161 --> 00:32:44,629

let me take a look at it.

 

1212

00:32:44,629 --> 00:32:45,964

Let's see what we can do.

 

1213

00:32:45,964 --> 00:32:48,333

And sometimes as a contractor, you might

 

1214

00:32:48,967 --> 00:32:50,668

have to give a little just to

 

1215

00:32:50,668 --> 00:32:53,071

calm things down and and,

 

1216

00:32:54,472 --> 00:32:55,473

you know.

 

1217

00:32:56,274 --> 00:32:56,941

And that's probably

 

1218

00:32:56,941 --> 00:32:58,710

the last thing you deal with once

 

1219

00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:59,844

you're there.

 

1220

00:33:00,078 --> 00:33:01,579

Somebody tweeted

 

1221

00:33:01,579 --> 00:33:03,047

somebody hot and bothered. Yeah.

 

1222

00:33:03,047 --> 00:33:06,284

This you mean as a contractor inspector?

 

1223

00:33:07,085 --> 00:33:08,553

As a contractor?

 

1224

00:33:08,553 --> 00:33:09,554

As a contractor.

 

1225

00:33:09,554 --> 00:33:11,356

Once as I see you walk in the door,

 

1226

00:33:11,356 --> 00:33:13,891

I'm like, oh, now you know it's over.

 

1227

00:33:14,192 --> 00:33:14,792

So you're not.

 

1228

00:33:14,792 --> 00:33:16,995

Going to rob is different is between

 

1229

00:33:17,195 --> 00:33:18,162

so what you're talking about

 

1230

00:33:18,162 --> 00:33:19,364

Carl is relationship

 

1231

00:33:19,364 --> 00:33:20,465

between that contractor

 

1232

00:33:20,465 --> 00:33:22,200

and the homeowner, right?

 

1233

00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,301

Well, you're talking about Rob.

 

1234

00:33:23,301 --> 00:33:24,836

Now, let's see, you're pulled into a

 

1235

00:33:24,836 --> 00:33:26,838

you're pulled into an inspection

 

1236

00:33:26,838 --> 00:33:28,873

and you're there with the inspector.

 

1237

00:33:28,873 --> 00:33:29,474

Or you know,

 

1238

00:33:29,474 --> 00:33:32,443

I mean, if an inspector is there,

 

1239

00:33:32,443 --> 00:33:33,478

that means that

 

1240

00:33:33,478 --> 00:33:34,178

the homeowner

 

1241

00:33:34,178 --> 00:33:35,213

and I just couldn't

 

1242

00:33:35,213 --> 00:33:37,181

come to terms on whatever's going on.

 

1243

00:33:37,181 --> 00:33:38,049

So. Right.

 

1244

00:33:38,216 --> 00:33:38,783

There's going to be

 

1245

00:33:38,783 --> 00:33:40,351

some unhappy people there,

 

1246

00:33:40,351 --> 00:33:42,453

if not both parties are going to be

 

1247

00:33:42,453 --> 00:33:43,654

ticked off.

 

1248

00:33:43,654 --> 00:33:45,957

So I think that's a great

 

1249

00:33:45,957 --> 00:33:47,525

thing to tell these guys.

 

1250

00:33:48,626 --> 00:33:50,895

Well, let's try to be friends here.

 

1251

00:33:50,895 --> 00:33:52,830

You know, let's listen to each other

 

1252

00:33:52,830 --> 00:33:54,332

and not be combative

 

1253

00:33:54,332 --> 00:33:55,299

because that's still not

 

1254

00:33:55,299 --> 00:33:57,068

going to solve everything.

 

1255

00:33:57,068 --> 00:33:57,368

Right.

 

1256

00:33:57,368 --> 00:33:58,403

If you if you start off

 

1257

00:33:58,403 --> 00:33:59,370

with a good relationship

 

1258

00:33:59,370 --> 00:34:02,640

with your customer and

 

1259

00:34:02,707 --> 00:34:04,976

just to get the call can make you

 

1260

00:34:04,976 --> 00:34:05,843

a little bit nervous.

 

1261

00:34:05,843 --> 00:34:07,311

Just the idea that, hey,

 

1262

00:34:07,311 --> 00:34:08,980

can you stop by on Tuesday?

 

1263

00:34:08,980 --> 00:34:09,781

I'd like to talk to you

 

1264

00:34:09,781 --> 00:34:11,449

about a couple of things that we noticed.

 

1265

00:34:11,449 --> 00:34:11,816

You know.

 

1266

00:34:11,816 --> 00:34:13,284

No one ever reported,

 

1267

00:34:13,284 --> 00:34:15,153

no one ever calls three weeks later.

 

1268

00:34:15,153 --> 00:34:17,288

Just want to tell you one more time.

 

1269

00:34:17,288 --> 00:34:19,390

Yes. Looks dynamite.

 

1270

00:34:19,390 --> 00:34:21,692

Am I just couldn't be happier.

 

1271

00:34:21,726 --> 00:34:23,461

We want we've got to give thank you for.

 

1272

00:34:23,461 --> 00:34:24,262

You in your life.

 

1273

00:34:24,262 --> 00:34:25,163

Yeah, yeah.

 

1274

00:34:25,163 --> 00:34:25,830

I'd like to buy

 

1275

00:34:25,830 --> 00:34:27,231

you and your crew breakfast.

 

1276

00:34:27,231 --> 00:34:29,367

Yeah, they get a lot of those three

 

1277

00:34:29,367 --> 00:34:30,168

weeks down the road.

 

1278

00:34:31,169 --> 00:34:32,336

Right.

 

1279

00:34:32,770 --> 00:34:33,438

But.

 

1280

00:34:34,072 --> 00:34:34,772

But

 

1281

00:34:36,908 --> 00:34:39,777

so true.

 

1282

00:34:39,777 --> 00:34:41,112

You turn down the bread

 

1283

00:34:41,112 --> 00:34:41,512

aisle in

 

1284

00:34:41,512 --> 00:34:42,013

the grocery

 

1285

00:34:42,013 --> 00:34:42,647

store is like,

 

1286

00:34:42,647 --> 00:34:45,950

Oh yeah, we've been looking for you.

 

1287

00:34:45,950 --> 00:34:47,452

We've got a gift card for you.

 

1288

00:34:47,452 --> 00:34:51,055

Yeah, yeah.

 

1289

00:34:51,055 --> 00:34:53,691

Sucked. True.

 

1290

00:34:53,691 --> 00:34:54,959

But you know,

 

1291

00:34:55,593 --> 00:34:56,527

again, I think if you

 

1292

00:34:56,527 --> 00:34:57,829

if you do have some empathy

 

1293

00:34:57,829 --> 00:35:00,164

and go from the very conversation

 

1294

00:35:00,164 --> 00:35:02,767

this afternoon is do everything,

 

1295

00:35:02,767 --> 00:35:05,403

be the weatherman, do everything

 

1296

00:35:05,403 --> 00:35:08,606

that you know to be the very best.

 

1297

00:35:08,973 --> 00:35:11,742

So there isn't a doubt in your mind

 

1298

00:35:11,742 --> 00:35:13,978

there's nothing wrong with a homeowner

 

1299

00:35:13,978 --> 00:35:15,313

calling you and saying,

 

1300

00:35:15,313 --> 00:35:16,347

hey, can you stop by?

 

1301

00:35:16,347 --> 00:35:18,616

We got a squeak in the hallway.

 

1302

00:35:18,616 --> 00:35:20,284

That doesn't always

 

1303

00:35:20,384 --> 00:35:23,154

automatically mean that it's your floor.

 

1304

00:35:23,154 --> 00:35:24,522

It could be,

 

1305

00:35:24,589 --> 00:35:24,956

you know,

 

1306

00:35:24,956 --> 00:35:25,323

your floor

 

1307

00:35:25,323 --> 00:35:25,957

could be putting

 

1308

00:35:25,957 --> 00:35:28,226

tension on a nail in the subfloor.

 

1309

00:35:28,226 --> 00:35:29,594

So you just want to try to find out

 

1310

00:35:29,594 --> 00:35:30,995

what the issue is,

 

1311

00:35:30,995 --> 00:35:31,863

you know, those kind of things.

 

1312

00:35:31,863 --> 00:35:32,663

So that's the approach.

 

1313

00:35:32,663 --> 00:35:33,598

So, you know,

 

1314

00:35:33,598 --> 00:35:34,432

your imagination

 

1315

00:35:34,432 --> 00:35:35,566

will kind of run wild with you

 

1316

00:35:35,566 --> 00:35:37,401

because you don't want to go back there,

 

1317

00:35:37,401 --> 00:35:38,569

but if you've done

 

1318

00:35:38,569 --> 00:35:40,204

everything that you can to do

 

1319

00:35:40,204 --> 00:35:42,140

is the perfect job or is

 

1320

00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:43,274

to perfect as you can

 

1321

00:35:44,308 --> 00:35:45,543

make the call and go back there,

 

1322

00:35:45,543 --> 00:35:47,245

but try to be friendly about it.

 

1323

00:35:47,245 --> 00:35:48,045

Well, let's talk

 

1324

00:35:48,045 --> 00:35:49,714

about the cost of your business

 

1325

00:35:49,714 --> 00:35:51,082

having a call back and versus

 

1326

00:35:51,082 --> 00:35:52,116

taking the extra time

 

1327

00:35:52,116 --> 00:35:53,551

and those type of things.

 

1328

00:35:53,551 --> 00:35:54,485

Maybe you can kind of

 

1329

00:35:54,485 --> 00:35:58,489

talk about that a little bit.

 

1330

00:35:58,489 --> 00:36:01,359

Well, I used to tell my guys that

 

1331

00:36:01,359 --> 00:36:03,961

one process in the job is just preparing

 

1332

00:36:03,961 --> 00:36:04,996

for the next process.

 

1333

00:36:04,996 --> 00:36:07,131

So that's always been my

 

1334

00:36:07,532 --> 00:36:09,033

SO is from the time

 

1335

00:36:09,033 --> 00:36:11,068

you start tearing the carpet out

 

1336

00:36:11,068 --> 00:36:12,103

or you're preparing,

 

1337

00:36:12,103 --> 00:36:14,071

repairing a subfloor,

 

1338

00:36:14,071 --> 00:36:15,540

you take a little bit

 

1339

00:36:15,540 --> 00:36:17,375

extra time at that phase

 

1340

00:36:17,375 --> 00:36:17,975

to make sure

 

1341

00:36:17,975 --> 00:36:18,843

that that

 

1342

00:36:19,076 --> 00:36:21,979

surface is prepped for the installation

 

1343

00:36:21,979 --> 00:36:24,448

and then the insulation is nailed

 

1344

00:36:24,448 --> 00:36:25,883

correctly

 

1345

00:36:25,950 --> 00:36:27,652

so that you can now sanding

 

1346

00:36:27,652 --> 00:36:29,420

and the sanding is prepared.

 

1347

00:36:29,420 --> 00:36:30,688

You're preparing that surface

 

1348

00:36:30,688 --> 00:36:31,389

for the stain

 

1349

00:36:31,389 --> 00:36:33,791

and the stain is being applied properly.

 

1350

00:36:33,791 --> 00:36:36,661

So if you just take one job and you say

 

1351

00:36:36,994 --> 00:36:39,096

15 minutes extra, 30 minutes

 

1352

00:36:39,096 --> 00:36:41,532

extra for the subfloor prep and,

 

1353

00:36:42,266 --> 00:36:44,202

you know, 30 minutes extra.

 

1354

00:36:44,202 --> 00:36:46,003

So by the time you do a 1000

 

1355

00:36:46,003 --> 00:36:47,371

1500 foot job,

 

1356

00:36:47,371 --> 00:36:49,607

maybe you've spent two additional hours.

 

1357

00:36:50,374 --> 00:36:50,775

Okay.

 

1358

00:36:51,242 --> 00:36:52,610

And there's three guys on the job.

 

1359

00:36:52,610 --> 00:36:54,545

It's a it's a chunk of money.

 

1360

00:36:54,545 --> 00:36:57,415

If you think about over a year period.

 

1361

00:36:57,415 --> 00:36:58,783

But you get one phone call,

 

1362

00:37:00,251 --> 00:37:02,119

all that goes away,

 

1363

00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:02,987

the amount of money

 

1364

00:37:02,987 --> 00:37:04,255

that you've saved by rushing

 

1365

00:37:04,255 --> 00:37:07,592

through all of that, that's all gone away

 

1366

00:37:07,592 --> 00:37:09,493

if you go back one time.

 

1367

00:37:09,493 --> 00:37:10,461

So you said something.

 

1368

00:37:10,461 --> 00:37:11,429

I really like the difference

 

1369

00:37:11,429 --> 00:37:12,930

between a good job and a great job.

 

1370

00:37:12,930 --> 00:37:13,898

The amount of time

 

1371

00:37:13,898 --> 00:37:14,432

maybe

 

1372

00:37:14,432 --> 00:37:16,734

is usually maybe a couple of hours

 

1373

00:37:16,734 --> 00:37:18,736

on the job, huh? Maybe. Yeah, maybe.

 

1374

00:37:19,470 --> 00:37:20,838

I like what he said about

 

1375

00:37:20,838 --> 00:37:23,641

I don't pay for advertising,

 

1376

00:37:23,641 --> 00:37:25,710

so I have a little extra money

 

1377

00:37:25,710 --> 00:37:26,978

to spend a little extra time,

 

1378

00:37:26,978 --> 00:37:28,613

but that adds up.

 

1379

00:37:28,613 --> 00:37:29,814

That's true.

 

1380

00:37:29,814 --> 00:37:32,283

That's a great way to look at it.

 

1381

00:37:32,283 --> 00:37:33,651

You know, one of the

 

1382

00:37:33,651 --> 00:37:35,219

when you said about

 

1383

00:37:35,219 --> 00:37:35,987

it, the contract,

 

1384

00:37:35,987 --> 00:37:38,489

if the homeowner calls you

 

1385

00:37:38,489 --> 00:37:42,226

one of the best guys that we ever had,

 

1386

00:37:43,327 --> 00:37:46,597

my old partner and ip1 of the best

 

1387

00:37:46,597 --> 00:37:48,833

guys we ever had that gave us referrals,

 

1388

00:37:49,333 --> 00:37:51,936

tons of referrals was

 

1389

00:37:51,936 --> 00:37:55,072

because we screwed the job.

 

1390

00:37:55,072 --> 00:37:56,274

We were all done,

 

1391

00:37:56,274 --> 00:37:57,275

got paid and everything.

 

1392

00:37:57,275 --> 00:37:59,277

He called me the next day and he goes,

 

1393

00:37:59,277 --> 00:38:00,678

you know, to the finish.

 

1394

00:38:00,678 --> 00:38:01,879

This doesn't look right.

 

1395

00:38:01,879 --> 00:38:04,649

And I remember looking at Pete going

 

1396

00:38:04,649 --> 00:38:06,751

and we had tried a brand new finish

 

1397

00:38:06,751 --> 00:38:08,552

that we never work with before.

 

1398

00:38:09,487 --> 00:38:11,289

And it didn't look great.

 

1399

00:38:11,289 --> 00:38:13,658

It wasn't, you know, wasn't awful.

 

1400

00:38:13,658 --> 00:38:15,393

But it just

 

1401

00:38:15,393 --> 00:38:15,960

I agree with

 

1402

00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:16,861

I walked in, I said,

 

1403

00:38:16,861 --> 00:38:19,030

oh my God, this is terrible.

 

1404

00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:20,731

I said,

 

1405

00:38:20,931 --> 00:38:22,667

Let me come back.

 

1406

00:38:22,833 --> 00:38:25,469

You know, Buffett put another coat down.

 

1407

00:38:25,803 --> 00:38:27,805

We'll take care of this. No problem.

 

1408

00:38:27,805 --> 00:38:28,339

Well, that's

 

1409

00:38:28,339 --> 00:38:28,773

what he

 

1410

00:38:28,773 --> 00:38:31,442

that's what turned into a great referral

 

1411

00:38:31,442 --> 00:38:32,977

was he had a complaint.

 

1412

00:38:32,977 --> 00:38:35,112

We came back in, took care of it.

 

1413

00:38:35,846 --> 00:38:36,681

And, you know,

 

1414

00:38:36,681 --> 00:38:38,749

you talk about lemons into lemonade,

 

1415

00:38:38,749 --> 00:38:40,351

but this guy was one of our best

 

1416

00:38:40,351 --> 00:38:41,385

sales guys.

 

1417

00:38:41,385 --> 00:38:42,153

And that was something

 

1418

00:38:42,153 --> 00:38:44,455

that he always said to everybody was

 

1419

00:38:44,455 --> 00:38:46,757

I didn't like the way things looked

 

1420

00:38:46,757 --> 00:38:48,759

and they came back in right away,

 

1421

00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:50,861

didn't fight, didn't do anything,

 

1422

00:38:50,861 --> 00:38:52,263

just took care of it.

 

1423

00:38:52,263 --> 00:38:53,497

And now the floor looks great.

 

1424

00:38:53,497 --> 00:38:56,334

And, you know, so here

 

1425

00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:57,902

I'm thinking, oh, crap, you know,

 

1426

00:38:57,902 --> 00:38:59,103

this is terrible.

 

1427

00:38:59,103 --> 00:39:00,237

Doesn't look good.

 

1428

00:39:00,237 --> 00:39:02,206

But, boy, did that turn out good for I'm

 

1429

00:39:02,206 --> 00:39:03,874

not saying that it's going to happen

 

1430

00:39:03,874 --> 00:39:04,542

for everybody.

 

1431

00:39:04,542 --> 00:39:06,310

We got lucky on that guy.

 

1432

00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:08,479

But that's not the approach.

 

1433

00:39:08,479 --> 00:39:09,580

Work of bad at it.

 

1434

00:39:09,580 --> 00:39:12,083

Whether the approach was proper,

 

1435

00:39:12,083 --> 00:39:13,651

it was a good approach.

 

1436

00:39:13,651 --> 00:39:15,386

Well, you made a good point earlier

 

1437

00:39:15,386 --> 00:39:19,790

when I talked to you off air, Carl, about

 

1438

00:39:20,157 --> 00:39:21,959

the amount of time. Okay. So

 

1439

00:39:23,527 --> 00:39:23,961

an hour or

 

1440

00:39:23,961 --> 00:39:25,663

two extra on a job versus

 

1441

00:39:25,663 --> 00:39:27,365

you get that phone call

 

1442

00:39:27,365 --> 00:39:29,100

that the homeowners hot,

 

1443

00:39:29,100 --> 00:39:31,202

you have to drive out to the job

 

1444

00:39:31,202 --> 00:39:31,969

you have now.

 

1445

00:39:31,969 --> 00:39:33,904

You have an unhappy homeowner

 

1446

00:39:33,904 --> 00:39:34,905

in front of you.

 

1447

00:39:34,905 --> 00:39:36,240

Now you may have to reschedule

 

1448

00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:36,874

something now.

 

1449

00:39:36,874 --> 00:39:37,441

God forbid

 

1450

00:39:37,441 --> 00:39:38,042

you have to come back

 

1451

00:39:38,042 --> 00:39:39,710

and do extra work on this job.

 

1452

00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:42,079

So on balance, I like the business model.

 

1453

00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:42,813

I mean, you know what I mean?

 

1454

00:39:42,813 --> 00:39:43,614

It makes a lot of sense.

 

1455

00:39:43,614 --> 00:39:44,882

Now I'm flip

 

1456

00:39:44,882 --> 00:39:45,983

say that I've talked to guys

 

1457

00:39:45,983 --> 00:39:48,452

who run 30 guys they wait.

 

1458

00:39:48,452 --> 00:39:50,020

I know my jobs are perfect

 

1459

00:39:50,020 --> 00:39:51,355

and I know I'm going to come back

 

1460

00:39:51,355 --> 00:39:52,890

and do so many a year.

 

1461

00:39:52,890 --> 00:39:54,225

And that's part of my business model

 

1462

00:39:54,225 --> 00:39:55,726

and that's okay.

 

1463

00:39:55,726 --> 00:39:57,228

And, you know, God bless them.

 

1464

00:39:57,228 --> 00:39:57,661

You know what I mean?

 

1465

00:39:57,661 --> 00:39:58,562

If that works for them

 

1466

00:39:58,562 --> 00:39:59,497

and, you know, they have,

 

1467

00:40:00,531 --> 00:40:01,599

you know, that makes sense.

 

1468

00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:03,434

And then that's the

 

1469

00:40:03,434 --> 00:40:05,336

that's a conscientious decision.

 

1470

00:40:05,336 --> 00:40:07,138

But also their general contractors

 

1471

00:40:07,138 --> 00:40:08,406

might use them for that

 

1472

00:40:08,406 --> 00:40:10,374

that ability to get that Florida

 

1473

00:40:10,374 --> 00:40:11,609

and the general contractor

 

1474

00:40:11,609 --> 00:40:12,610

might even say,

 

1475

00:40:12,610 --> 00:40:13,511

look, I know we're going to

 

1476

00:40:13,511 --> 00:40:13,978

we're not

 

1477

00:40:13,978 --> 00:40:14,578

we're not sure

 

1478

00:40:14,578 --> 00:40:15,613

which crews are going to come out here,

 

1479

00:40:15,613 --> 00:40:16,080

but we know

 

1480

00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:16,881

they're going to take care of it.

 

1481

00:40:16,881 --> 00:40:17,882

If something happens,

 

1482

00:40:17,882 --> 00:40:19,283

but they're going to get to Florida.

 

1483

00:40:19,283 --> 00:40:20,785

So that might be their business model

 

1484

00:40:20,785 --> 00:40:21,452

as well.

 

1485

00:40:21,452 --> 00:40:22,453

You're absolutely right.

 

1486

00:40:22,453 --> 00:40:23,220

Is is

 

1487

00:40:23,220 --> 00:40:23,821

we need guy

 

1488

00:40:23,821 --> 00:40:24,989

we need someone who can throw

 

1489

00:40:24,989 --> 00:40:26,590

seven bodies on this and get it done

 

1490

00:40:26,590 --> 00:40:28,959

and that's. I wasn't that guy.

 

1491

00:40:29,393 --> 00:40:30,694

No, me neither.

 

1492

00:40:31,028 --> 00:40:31,862

Awesome.

 

1493

00:40:32,029 --> 00:40:33,531

Let's talk about

 

1494

00:40:33,531 --> 00:40:35,166

retailers I've worked for

 

1495

00:40:35,166 --> 00:40:37,468

for retailers for or I've seen retailers

 

1496

00:40:37,902 --> 00:40:40,504

that own the business but just don't.

 

1497

00:40:40,938 --> 00:40:41,839

They're business owners

 

1498

00:40:41,839 --> 00:40:43,274

that are not as savvy as the people

 

1499

00:40:43,274 --> 00:40:44,909

that are doing the work for them.

 

1500

00:40:44,909 --> 00:40:46,110

You know what I mean?

 

1501

00:40:46,343 --> 00:40:47,344

Sometimes

 

1502

00:40:47,344 --> 00:40:48,412

maybe getting taken advantage

 

1503

00:40:48,412 --> 00:40:48,779

of a little bit

 

1504

00:40:48,779 --> 00:40:50,281

because they don't know

 

1505

00:40:50,281 --> 00:40:51,482

what they don't know

 

1506

00:40:51,482 --> 00:40:52,450

or they'll

 

1507

00:40:52,450 --> 00:40:54,084

they'll rely on a subcontractor

 

1508

00:40:54,084 --> 00:40:55,052

who's maybe interests

 

1509

00:40:55,052 --> 00:40:56,587

aren't aligned with his.

 

1510

00:40:56,587 --> 00:40:58,689

And I think that's another reason why

 

1511

00:40:58,689 --> 00:40:59,223

a retailer,

 

1512

00:40:59,223 --> 00:41:00,357

if they could take time out

 

1513

00:41:00,357 --> 00:41:01,592

to go to some of these schools,

 

1514

00:41:01,592 --> 00:41:03,360

I think would make a lot of sense to me.

 

1515

00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:03,761

I don't know.

 

1516

00:41:05,162 --> 00:41:05,763

Well, I did.

 

1517

00:41:05,763 --> 00:41:06,464

It's a good point,

 

1518

00:41:06,464 --> 00:41:09,300

because I did a pick a year or so ago

 

1519

00:41:10,534 --> 00:41:13,304

and I am in because the conversation

 

1520

00:41:13,304 --> 00:41:13,938

that was happening

 

1521

00:41:13,938 --> 00:41:15,573

with the installation companies,

 

1522

00:41:15,573 --> 00:41:18,943

because this particular retailer used

 

1523

00:41:18,943 --> 00:41:20,744

subcontractors

 

1524

00:41:20,744 --> 00:41:23,013

and the conversation was the wide planks

 

1525

00:41:23,013 --> 00:41:24,381

and how difficult it was

 

1526

00:41:24,381 --> 00:41:25,983

when they're being glued down

 

1527

00:41:25,983 --> 00:41:26,951

and they didn't think

 

1528

00:41:26,951 --> 00:41:28,419

they were being paid enough money.

 

1529

00:41:28,419 --> 00:41:30,087

And it was a really custom floor

 

1530

00:41:30,087 --> 00:41:31,922

that was being installed.

 

1531

00:41:31,922 --> 00:41:32,857

So I asked

 

1532

00:41:32,857 --> 00:41:33,757

the retailer was

 

1533

00:41:33,757 --> 00:41:35,392

the owner of the store was standing there

 

1534

00:41:35,392 --> 00:41:36,594

and I just said

 

1535

00:41:36,594 --> 00:41:39,630

we should have the salespeople here.

 

1536

00:41:39,630 --> 00:41:40,097

That's the

 

1537

00:41:40,097 --> 00:41:42,900

that's the first point of contact.

 

1538

00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:44,502

The salespeople should be listening

 

1539

00:41:44,502 --> 00:41:45,870

to this conversation

 

1540

00:41:45,870 --> 00:41:47,071

so that they understand

 

1541

00:41:47,071 --> 00:41:49,573

what the installers are going through.

 

1542

00:41:49,573 --> 00:41:51,842

But a lot of the people that

 

1543

00:41:51,842 --> 00:41:52,610

fortunately we get,

 

1544

00:41:52,610 --> 00:41:54,612

I get a lot of phone calls for advice,

 

1545

00:41:55,012 --> 00:41:56,714

but there's lot of new people

 

1546

00:41:56,714 --> 00:41:57,481

that aren't

 

1547

00:41:57,481 --> 00:41:59,083

savvy on the installation side of it,

 

1548

00:41:59,083 --> 00:42:00,518

but they sell the product,

 

1549

00:42:00,518 --> 00:42:01,886

but they don't know.

 

1550

00:42:01,886 --> 00:42:03,954

Acclimation site conditions.

 

1551

00:42:03,954 --> 00:42:05,923

What adhesive is going to do

 

1552

00:42:05,923 --> 00:42:08,826

is a four inch plank easier to install

 

1553

00:42:08,826 --> 00:42:09,159

or harder

 

1554

00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:11,061

to install than a nine inch plank

 

1555

00:42:11,061 --> 00:42:12,029

subfloor flatness,

 

1556

00:42:12,029 --> 00:42:14,131

all of those kind of things that

 

1557

00:42:14,131 --> 00:42:16,433

a lot of times, even as you said,

 

1558

00:42:16,433 --> 00:42:17,635

sometimes the retailers

 

1559

00:42:17,635 --> 00:42:18,636

aren't even savvy enough

 

1560

00:42:18,636 --> 00:42:19,870

to understand

 

1561

00:42:19,870 --> 00:42:21,939

truly what's required for their

 

1562

00:42:21,939 --> 00:42:23,007

product to be installed.

 

1563

00:42:24,041 --> 00:42:25,376

They can sell it.

 

1564

00:42:25,376 --> 00:42:26,043

Yeah.

 

1565

00:42:26,043 --> 00:42:27,511

But they don't know

 

1566

00:42:27,511 --> 00:42:29,280

the import that end of it.

 

1567

00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,080

Yeah. Yeah.

 

1568

00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:30,714

And that,

 

1569

00:42:30,714 --> 00:42:32,783

that is just the part of the game

 

1570

00:42:32,783 --> 00:42:34,652

and I really think the

 

1571

00:42:34,652 --> 00:42:35,486

going to schools

 

1572

00:42:35,486 --> 00:42:37,054

and understanding that world,

 

1573

00:42:37,054 --> 00:42:39,023

even going to an installation class

 

1574

00:42:39,023 --> 00:42:41,292

to see what the guys go through I think

 

1575

00:42:41,792 --> 00:42:44,428

is a good, a good use of time.

 

1576

00:42:44,428 --> 00:42:45,863

Yeah. Yeah.

 

1577

00:42:47,031 --> 00:42:47,998

Education.

 

1578

00:42:47,998 --> 00:42:49,233

Just yes, education.

 

1579

00:42:49,233 --> 00:42:50,234

Education.

 

1580

00:42:50,234 --> 00:42:53,237

We're we're are we in the business, Karl?

 

1581

00:42:53,237 --> 00:42:54,838

I mean, if you're a young guy coming up,

 

1582

00:42:54,838 --> 00:42:55,506

you know,

 

1583

00:42:55,506 --> 00:42:57,107

I actually think, man,

 

1584

00:42:57,107 --> 00:42:58,442

there's there's some great opportunities.

 

1585

00:42:58,442 --> 00:42:59,109

I mean,

 

1586

00:43:00,244 --> 00:43:01,078

I think a good floor

 

1587

00:43:01,078 --> 00:43:02,446

sander will always be needed.

 

1588

00:43:02,446 --> 00:43:03,480

Number one,

 

1589

00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:04,615

I think

 

1590

00:43:04,715 --> 00:43:05,950

there's less and less people

 

1591

00:43:05,950 --> 00:43:07,117

getting in the floor business.

 

1592

00:43:07,117 --> 00:43:08,352

There's going to be a ton of these floors

 

1593

00:43:08,352 --> 00:43:09,053

that need to be.

 

1594

00:43:09,053 --> 00:43:10,621

Look at how many in the last few years,

 

1595

00:43:10,621 --> 00:43:11,622

all these insulation, that work

 

1596

00:43:11,622 --> 00:43:12,756

that's being done.

 

1597

00:43:12,756 --> 00:43:14,792

I think if you're a young kid coming up,

 

1598

00:43:14,792 --> 00:43:15,926

man, there is there is

 

1599

00:43:15,926 --> 00:43:17,161

there is a lot of opportunity

 

1600

00:43:17,161 --> 00:43:17,962

if you if you want to

 

1601

00:43:17,962 --> 00:43:19,196

work hard in this business.

 

1602

00:43:20,831 --> 00:43:22,199

Whenever I have access to

 

1603

00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:23,834

these guys and it's pretty often

 

1604

00:43:23,834 --> 00:43:25,669

I really do try to come at them

 

1605

00:43:25,669 --> 00:43:27,371

from a kind of a mentor

 

1606

00:43:27,371 --> 00:43:28,539

or father kind of thing.

 

1607

00:43:28,539 --> 00:43:30,841

When I see these where there

 

1608

00:43:30,841 --> 00:43:31,208

you can

 

1609

00:43:31,208 --> 00:43:31,809

almost feel

 

1610

00:43:31,809 --> 00:43:32,876

that thirst of knowledge,

 

1611

00:43:32,876 --> 00:43:35,279

they want to do a good job.

 

1612

00:43:35,279 --> 00:43:37,381

And I and I again, going back to

 

1613

00:43:38,549 --> 00:43:41,919

join the BFA, get a certification

 

1614

00:43:41,919 --> 00:43:43,520

or you don't get certified,

 

1615

00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,290

but join an organization, as Rob said,

 

1616

00:43:46,991 --> 00:43:49,059

they kind of and maybe say makes the

 

1617

00:43:50,628 --> 00:43:51,662

kid join that.

 

1618

00:43:51,662 --> 00:43:53,731

So you have access to that information.

 

1619

00:43:54,431 --> 00:43:56,600

Put that on your business card.

 

1620

00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:57,901

Let the contractors

 

1621

00:43:57,901 --> 00:43:59,136

let the homeowners know

 

1622

00:43:59,136 --> 00:44:02,373

you belong to NWA or to an organization

 

1623

00:44:02,673 --> 00:44:05,042

that elevates you above the next guy.

 

1624

00:44:05,342 --> 00:44:06,276

You go online,

 

1625

00:44:06,276 --> 00:44:07,411

you can go instead of

 

1626

00:44:07,411 --> 00:44:09,446

watching the chat video at lunchtime

 

1627

00:44:09,446 --> 00:44:10,481

in your van,

 

1628

00:44:10,481 --> 00:44:12,316

going the buffet website,

 

1629

00:44:12,316 --> 00:44:13,384

watch a short video.

 

1630

00:44:13,384 --> 00:44:14,351

They're out there,

 

1631

00:44:14,351 --> 00:44:16,954

but I'm assuming you guys have access

 

1632

00:44:16,954 --> 00:44:17,855

to that stuff, too,

 

1633

00:44:17,855 --> 00:44:19,590

if that's the kind of information

 

1634

00:44:19,590 --> 00:44:20,424

I give them

 

1635

00:44:20,491 --> 00:44:21,992

moisture meters,

 

1636

00:44:21,992 --> 00:44:24,028

know your product, know your center,

 

1637

00:44:25,062 --> 00:44:26,497

keep educating yourself,

 

1638

00:44:26,497 --> 00:44:28,532

take great pride in what you do.

 

1639

00:44:28,532 --> 00:44:30,668

Don't try to elevate yourself

 

1640

00:44:30,668 --> 00:44:33,237

that much more than the next guy.

 

1641

00:44:33,237 --> 00:44:33,671

Wayne.

 

1642

00:44:33,671 --> 00:44:34,705

Wayne was watching

 

1643

00:44:34,705 --> 00:44:36,306

cat videos during this.

 

1644

00:44:36,306 --> 00:44:40,811

Discussion and the same thing he did.

 

1645

00:44:40,811 --> 00:44:42,279

I heard

 

1646

00:44:42,513 --> 00:44:43,347

him take Wayne's

 

1647

00:44:43,347 --> 00:44:45,783

cat videos away from anything but that.

 

1648

00:44:46,784 --> 00:44:48,619

Well, that video is inefficient.

 

1649

00:44:48,619 --> 00:44:50,020

That's where you go.

 

1650

00:44:50,020 --> 00:44:55,025

There is no discussion.

 

1651

00:44:55,025 --> 00:44:55,426

All right,

 

1652

00:44:55,426 --> 00:44:57,728

Carl, listen, I you've you've been a

 

1653

00:44:57,761 --> 00:44:58,429

I've been want

 

1654

00:44:58,429 --> 00:44:59,463

to talk to you for a long time.

 

1655

00:44:59,463 --> 00:45:01,231

And you're one of the most respected

 

1656

00:45:01,231 --> 00:45:03,267

guys in the industry and for good reason.

 

1657

00:45:03,267 --> 00:45:05,936

And and I can't say enough about you.

 

1658

00:45:06,503 --> 00:45:07,705

You're my go to play

 

1659

00:45:07,705 --> 00:45:09,773

when I when I get stumped.

 

1660

00:45:09,773 --> 00:45:10,274

I appreciate

 

1661

00:45:10,274 --> 00:45:13,877

you always taking my call and vice versa.

 

1662

00:45:13,877 --> 00:45:15,212

Yeah Nick in time thank you.

 

1663

00:45:15,212 --> 00:45:19,049

And for the podcast and I and again,

 

1664

00:45:19,049 --> 00:45:19,950

I just going to reiterate,

 

1665

00:45:19,950 --> 00:45:20,250

Wayne,

 

1666

00:45:20,250 --> 00:45:21,518

we have you on here

 

1667

00:45:21,518 --> 00:45:22,453

because we want to keep

 

1668

00:45:22,453 --> 00:45:23,821

people out of trouble.

 

1669

00:45:23,821 --> 00:45:24,988

You know, it's a hard job

 

1670

00:45:24,988 --> 00:45:26,557

no matter what part, you know,

 

1671

00:45:26,557 --> 00:45:27,958

whether you've been doing it for 30 years

 

1672

00:45:27,958 --> 00:45:29,626

or three years or three months,

 

1673

00:45:29,626 --> 00:45:30,494

it's a hard job.

 

1674

00:45:30,494 --> 00:45:32,429

You want to put, you know,

 

1675

00:45:32,429 --> 00:45:33,697

as many things on your side

 

1676

00:45:33,697 --> 00:45:34,264

of the equation

 

1677

00:45:34,264 --> 00:45:36,266

as you can to be successful. Right.

 

1678

00:45:36,533 --> 00:45:37,201

And this is just

 

1679

00:45:37,201 --> 00:45:39,470

one more in the way of doing that.

 

1680

00:45:39,903 --> 00:45:40,471

Have we missed

 

1681

00:45:40,471 --> 00:45:41,772

any is there anything at all

 

1682

00:45:41,772 --> 00:45:43,674

before we say say goodbye

 

1683

00:45:43,674 --> 00:45:45,109

that we want to add to this, Rob

 

1684

00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:47,010

or any any any parting?

 

1685

00:45:47,010 --> 00:45:48,746

No, I've been going through the notes.

 

1686

00:45:48,746 --> 00:45:49,113

I think

 

1687

00:45:50,114 --> 00:45:52,082

everything really kind of.

 

1688

00:45:52,082 --> 00:45:53,183

Yeah.

 

1689

00:45:53,183 --> 00:45:53,717

All right, well,

 

1690

00:45:53,717 --> 00:45:55,686

then I'm gonna let you go. Carl. You.

 

1691

00:45:55,686 --> 00:45:56,553

Thank you, Wayne. Rob.

 

1692

00:45:56,553 --> 00:45:57,821

Nice to meet you, sir.

 

1693

00:45:57,821 --> 00:45:58,689

Nice meeting you.

 

1694

00:45:58,689 --> 00:45:59,823

Thanks for coming on.

 

1695

00:45:59,823 --> 00:46:01,425

Yeah, you're welcome.

 

1696

00:46:01,425 --> 00:46:03,494

I appreciate it. Yep.

 

1697

00:46:03,494 --> 00:46:04,695

There's been another episode

 

1698

00:46:04,695 --> 00:46:06,230

of On the Floor with Wayne and Rob

 

1699

00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:08,098

and Carl Mattingly.

 

1700

00:46:08,098 --> 00:46:17,541

Please stay tuned for another episode of.