Wayne and Rob host guest Carl Mattingly to discuss how to keep yourself out of trouble and make sure you keep yourself covered. Follow Bona US Professional online: Website: https://www1.bona.com/en-us/professional/ Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/BonaProfessional Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bonauspro/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bonapro.us/
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Hello.
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Welcome to another episode
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of On the Floor with Wayne and Rob.
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I'm Wayne Highlander,
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National Sales Manager
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for Bona Adhesives.
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I'm Rob Johnson from Bona Training.
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How we doing, Rob?
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Pretty good, buddy.
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How's it going?
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Good.
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We we have a special guest with us today.
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And I've actually known
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this gentleman for
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for quite a while now, and
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I'll let him introduce himself.
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But I just want to say
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first that up, you know, he's
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an inspector in the building inspector
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and he works for a distributor,
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but he was a contractor for a long time.
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He and I worked in the same same area
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for a while, for many, many
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years, actually. And,
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you know, he's just got such
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a great reputation,
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his craftsmanship, his work,
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and just a solid guy.
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And, you know,
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when you're going to have an inspector
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in this industry, this
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you want a guy like Carl Mattingly,
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our guests.
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How you doing, Carl?
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I'm good. Thank you.
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And thanks for those those kind words.
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I often you know, we don't hear that
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as an inspector, you know.
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Well, we had this a guy that,
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like you,
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let us tire the air out of his tires and.
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Yeah. And stuff like that.
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Yeah. It's all in the past.
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And you guys get it out.
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You guys good? Now.
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We don't want to talk about that.
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Yeah, yeah.
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No, I'm kidding.
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But, Carl, once you introduce yourself,
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what about you? But your background.
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Okay, background
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is you mentioned that Rob's been in it
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five generations.
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I actually started
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in the flooring business
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almost by accident
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with the flooring company
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during the summer in high school.
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I tried college for about six months,
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didn't like it.
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Call the guy up, got back
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into the flooring business.
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Been in it since
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I've got my California license in 1976
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and certified within WFA
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in 2009.
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Pretty much.
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I've been independent inspector
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since that time and
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even prior
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to becoming a inspector
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I was always called out.
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You probably recognize this too,
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as a contractor.
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Anyone looking for advice
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they will always reach out to somebody
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that they know.
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So being in the area
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that I'm in, I've been in it for so long,
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my name is is somewhat recognized.
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And so I was actually doing
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some consulting and inspection
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before getting that certification 2009.
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So.
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So what, what drove you to become
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a certified inspector?
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Some of it was my years in the business,
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and it was a conversation
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with my father in law, actually,
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and he asked me what I'd,
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you know, if I were still doing it.
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So that was
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in 2009.
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He said, you know, you've
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you've had a great run in the sand
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and finish part of the business.
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And he said,
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Are you thinking about
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maybe hanging up the tools
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and moving in another direction?
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It literally was that
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ease of a conversation
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during a golf outing.
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We were sitting at a golf cart
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and I thought, You know
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what, I'm just going to call
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and check on that.
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The next day I called
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and WFAA
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and they said, We have a class
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in a couple of months.
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Send us your your experience.
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And I signed up for it
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and went to the class and that was it.
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Wow. Yeah.
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Yeah, it was.
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It was it was that easy.
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How long is that class now.
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Started on a Monday.
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It very pretty intense training
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and you do your final test
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on on the Friday
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after that you have three scenarios
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that they set up as far as
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what would be a sample inspection.
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Do you have to read those and write
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that report?
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Those are then
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graded by three of your peers.
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You have to pass two of those.
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Then once you pass those two tests, you
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then have to go out into the public
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and do two independent
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inspection reports,
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turn those in,
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and those are reviewed
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by three individuals.
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And you have to have at least
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passing by two.
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And then once that happens,
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then you get certification.
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So I was pretty aggressive on that.
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So I tested in August
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the immediate when
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they sent the test back after
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I had the mock up test,
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I passed those
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and then
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I don't know how the word got out,
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but in a short
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period of time
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I started getting phone calls
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even though I hadn't been certified.
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I got a couple of phone
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calls and was able to get out
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and do some inspection,
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serious inspections.
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And I turned them in and so within
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six months, I had the certificate,
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I had the certification in 2000,
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nine December. So.
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You know, I've said before, Carl, that
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I went to the same class
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and that when you went
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but I went to the same
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class to the inspector and I didn't go
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there to be an inspector.
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I just went there from my own knowledge.
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At that time,
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I was
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I was a rep and I just wanted to know
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as much as I could
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to help one of my clients
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or customers if, you know, whatever
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what I came away
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thinking that
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everybody in this industry
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should attend that class,
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whether you want to be
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an inspector or not.
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And and I've gone
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to all the classes in the offers
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and they're all great classes.
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But I don't know, man,
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that might have been the
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best class I ever took.
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Well, you know what
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I think
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what it does, it
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kind of solidifies
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everything
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that anyone experiences in the business.
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And when I was in that class,
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there were probably
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I think there were about
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maybe 25 people in the class,
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and I think I met five or six
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that were there
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truly for the experience
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and the knowledge.
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Some of them didn't
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take the test at the end of the week.
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They probably could have,
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but that wasn't their purpose
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for being there.
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So yeah, it was, it was.
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I met a good group of guys there
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and they were all interested
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in the same thing
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and that's how to improve.
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I think the what we want to do on this
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show, Carl, is
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we want to just end
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with your experience as an inspector
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and what you see
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and what causes
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most guys problems on jobs and
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and and reasons for for inspections
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or claims
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and try to keep them out of trouble.
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Let's just give them some advice
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or some tips that, you know, that
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kind of
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keep them from from getting sideways
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and having to go down this road.
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So maybe we can kind of talk
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about what
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you see the most in your experience.
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You know,
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I was reading
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through your notes, Carl,
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and I noticed the first thing you said
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or had in
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your notes
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was own a moisture meter
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and know how to use it.
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Yeah,
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I think that's a great place to start
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for everybody because
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like Wayne said, I do a
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lot of the training on the East
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and I'm still pretty surprised
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how many guys
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don't use moisture meters
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or some of them,
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you know, they don't even have them.
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So why don't we start there?
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the reason I brought that up
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is that happens
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so often,
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because generally
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if you're going to look at a hardwood job
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and you can recognize that it's not maybe
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an installation
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related issue from a,
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you know, surface damage
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or things like that.
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If it's cupping
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or if it's some shrinkage,
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you pretty much know
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you're going to be having to talk
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about site conditions, humidity,
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moisture, levels of the wood.
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So that's
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that's pretty much
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one of the first questions
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that pops up as you're
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trying to get a little history going,
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you know, on those job sites.
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And I'm always
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maybe I shouldn't be surprised,
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but it's it is still surprising,
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as you said, Rob, how often
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they don't own one or they
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say, I have access to one,
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you know, those kind of things.
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And generally,
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what happens if I finish an inspection
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and once I talk with them
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about that, it's surprising
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that the next conversation
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is, well,
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what kind of meter do you recommend?
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So it really isn't.
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It's a it's
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a pretty positive conversation
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because you find out they don't have one.
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Talk to them
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the importance of having one.
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Next thing you know, they own one.
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But generally speaking,
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when you start looking at a cup floor,
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you're on the East Coast,
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I'm on the West Coast.
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So we have fairly
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mild climates compared to what,
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you know, what you deal with back there.
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I have a brother
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in Michigan, in Grand Rapids.
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He's in the flooring business.
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He deals with
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probably the same conditions,
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low humidity,
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you know, freezing
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conditions, those kind of things. So
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everyone, I think in California has
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you have people have a tendency
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to think
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that we don't need that
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or it's not that important.
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I find it highly important,
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probably one of the
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most critical bit of information
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if we're going to look at a floor
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that has anything to do with moisture
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or lack of.
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I'm glad you said that
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because at all my trainings
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that's I always give all the guys
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on the east
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a pat on the back
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I said you want to test finish
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you want to test test it out.
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It's just like
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where your brother lives in Michigan.
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I mean, the swings that we go to out here
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between, you know, the seasonal changes
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and humidity and dry and I mean,
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you know, we just get it all
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and sometimes it can change on a dime.
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So that's
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what really blows me away when I
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hear that guys aren't using
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moisture meters and things.
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You know, another thing, too, it's
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another meter that's to me
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is very valuable.
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And that is
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a high grade emitter, just a measure,
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some kind of data logger
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that you can measure that and you can
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they're pretty cheap and fairly accurate.
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So I always recommend that they do that.
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You don't have to spend
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100 bucks or 200 bucks.
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I tell them to go down to the local
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box store
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and grab
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a meter out of the garden center.
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A high ground
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meter, all the garden center,
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and I use a couple of those on
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the job sites
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and I
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and I cross-reference and measure
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those against the ones that I use
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as an inspector.
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And it's surprising how those things
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for 12, 15 bucks, how accurate they are.
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So a guy doesn't
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have to spend a ton of money
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to at least have some information
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that he can give the contract
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to or the inspector
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or his homeowner
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talk to his homeowner
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intelligently about the requirements
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that they're going
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to have to meet in that on that job site.
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You know,
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you said that
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when you have the conversation
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with the guys, usually it's in
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and it turns into a great conversation
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of what kind of meters should I get
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and what have you.
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And hopefully
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what we try to accomplish with this show
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is that they don't
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you don't have to have
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that conversations with them,
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you know, and,
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you know, the liability out there now.
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I mean, you know, you 30 years ago well,
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not even, you know, maybe five years ago,
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you could get two
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and a quarter Rideau for,
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you know, 250 square foot or whatever.
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Right.
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These floors nowadays,
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you're looking at, you know,
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eight, nine, ten bucks
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and beyond the square foot
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to a lot of liability
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and investment in that client's home
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to not do your due diligence. Right.
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It's shocking to me.
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I have a I was I was at a peak
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not long ago.
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And one of the presenters
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said he asked you.
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I said, I'm not trying to be sarcastic
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about this.
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He goes, Ray, show of hands.
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Who has enough money in their ATM
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machine to pay for $100,000 failure?
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And I thought that was a great question.
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And it sounds a little
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on the sarcastic side,
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but it wasn't meant to be.
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It was genuine.
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And we all have that fear.
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You know,
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fortunately in my career
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I haven't had to
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go to my ATM for that, but
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I also was pretty diligent
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about my approach to it from
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required site conditions.
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You know,
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sometimes you had to walk away from a job
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because they weren't
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going to give you
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the conditions
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that were necessary
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for a successful hardware job.
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Yeah.
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The only guy I know
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that has that kind of money
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in his ATM is Wayne.
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That's what I've heard.
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Yeah.
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He's the only guy I know
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who has that kind of money.
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He's making all that up.
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Carl, I like.
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I made $600 a year
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more in a podcast, and he did last year.
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600.
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Boy Well,
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it's the way the title of the show is so
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okay.
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Moisture meters.
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And you know, we're going to touch
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on a lot of subject
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because we could do a deep dove
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at any of any of these.
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Just two of these
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could make the whole show.
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Yeah, we.
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Have that kind of time, so
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we'll kind of go down the list,
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that information.
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Let's talk a little bit
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about acclimation to.
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Critical
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and I put there
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I made a comment
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about even engineered flooring
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because a lot of the manufacturers,
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they have a
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specific requirement
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how you handle that they want some
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some of them require that or say
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leave it in the package
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do not take the plastic off
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acclimated to the site conditions
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temperature
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open the boxes install the floor.
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Other ones are different.
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So what I what I see is
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and this is again
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critical is to know your product.
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If you
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they say don't open the boxes
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so you can get to the instructions.
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Everyone has a phone in their pocket.
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Don Connor years ago
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said this is the most important piece
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of equipment in our toolbox today.
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And he held up the first iPhone
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I'd ever seen.
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And it's and that hasn't changed at all.
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So in my book, there's no reason
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to not understand
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the acclimation process or what
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the manufacturer requires.
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And I always use going back to
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your guys
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location, I always use as examples
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different locations
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in the United States from
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I'm I'm in California.
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I think when you're in
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Tennessee, Rob, you're on the East Coast
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Brothers in Michigan.
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We have installers in Florida,
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Houston, Hawaii, Montana, all of those
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that term acclimation has done.
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They understand that it's the region.
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It's not a timeframe,
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it's a moisture balance.
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And if you take the material out of
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Montana
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and shipped out to Florida,
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you have a direct correlation process.
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So that's what I can
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I continue to emphasize
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to these guys that
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just because we're in California
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and the materials shipped
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from the warehouse 30 miles south of us
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doesn't mean it's
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ready to install on Tuesday.
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If it was delivered on a monday.
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So acclimation is critical.
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It's not a time frame
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or a date on the calendar.
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It's a moisture balance in the wood.
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And you won't know that
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unless you have a moisture.
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You let's
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I want to
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so I want to talk about that real quick.
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You know, I think
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and I've seen this in my in my day to day
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is that a lot of times
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I think younger contractors get kind of
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I don't want to use the word bullet or
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or they feel like they have to do this.
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They feel
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pressure to get these things done.
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They can't say no and blah, blah, blah.
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But I want to say how important
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that is, that you own the business
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and you have to be able
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to stand up for yourself
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and to your point of of some jobs
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you want to turn down
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because they're not right.
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And if you look at
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how much liability is out there,
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the older you get, the more I was.
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I've always said I was motivated by fear.
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I didn't have the callbacks
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to good motivation. Yes.
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I didn't want to have these callbacks.
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And that's why I did things right,
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because I was afraid
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that we would get a callback.
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So for younger guys,
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don't feel pressured
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into a situation locked into a corner
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because a general contractor
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says that these jobs aren't
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to start at a certain time. Right.
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What's the number
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you think that guy should be looking at
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on the balance of subfloor wood floor?
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Well, the
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rule of thumb, you know, we used to use
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always was always
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based on solid,
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you know, when we were still doing mostly
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unfinished, sanded, finished
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the numbers that kind of I hear fluctuate
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from different products.
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So you still want to figure
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anything wider, three inches or wider.
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If it's a solid floor, you want 2%
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between subfloor and flooring material.
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Some companies will allow
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4% of it's engineered.
576
00:16:09,535 --> 00:16:11,737
I still like 2% all the time,
577
00:16:11,737 --> 00:16:13,105
but 4% is pretty good
578
00:16:13,105 --> 00:16:15,341
for an engineered product.
579
00:16:15,341 --> 00:16:16,642
It seems to be the standard
580
00:16:16,642 --> 00:16:17,576
what everyone says.
581
00:16:17,576 --> 00:16:19,545
You know, all the
582
00:16:19,812 --> 00:16:22,181
information and specifications I've read,
583
00:16:22,314 --> 00:16:24,249
but but 2% on a solid
584
00:16:24,249 --> 00:16:25,584
is the one that sticks in my head.
585
00:16:25,584 --> 00:16:26,318
That's
586
00:16:26,452 --> 00:16:28,954
sometimes very difficult to get to,
587
00:16:28,954 --> 00:16:30,255
especially if the builders
588
00:16:30,255 --> 00:16:31,523
kind of beat you up on time.
589
00:16:33,058 --> 00:16:33,792
So when we
590
00:16:33,792 --> 00:16:36,195
talk about acclimation real quick,
591
00:16:36,195 --> 00:16:37,696
you know, I see a lot of times
592
00:16:37,696 --> 00:16:38,831
just the way it works. Okay.
593
00:16:38,831 --> 00:16:40,799
So you're not actually doing the job
594
00:16:40,799 --> 00:16:42,634
this week. You're dropping the wood off.
595
00:16:42,634 --> 00:16:43,736
So you're going to hurry
596
00:16:43,736 --> 00:16:44,603
because you're going to do that
597
00:16:44,603 --> 00:16:45,571
and you're going to get to your job
598
00:16:45,571 --> 00:16:46,839
or you're going to start sanding.
599
00:16:46,839 --> 00:16:49,375
So I see a lot of times the guys come in,
600
00:16:49,575 --> 00:16:50,909
they'll take 3000 square feet
601
00:16:50,909 --> 00:16:51,610
and I'll just stack it
602
00:16:51,610 --> 00:16:53,679
in one pile up in the house.
603
00:16:53,679 --> 00:16:54,646
You want to talk about the way
604
00:16:54,646 --> 00:16:55,180
that you really
605
00:16:55,180 --> 00:16:57,783
that should be stacked in the house?
606
00:16:57,783 --> 00:16:58,050
Well,
607
00:16:58,050 --> 00:16:58,884
sometimes there's
608
00:16:58,884 --> 00:17:00,119
a limited amount of space,
609
00:17:00,119 --> 00:17:01,220
so you may have to
610
00:17:01,220 --> 00:17:02,421
have that conversation.
611
00:17:02,421 --> 00:17:04,356
If you're not the person doing
612
00:17:04,356 --> 00:17:06,158
maybe making the sale,
613
00:17:06,158 --> 00:17:07,426
maybe you're not doing the estimate.
614
00:17:07,426 --> 00:17:08,293
So you're not familiar
615
00:17:08,293 --> 00:17:10,029
until you get there.
616
00:17:10,029 --> 00:17:11,030
But if any time
617
00:17:11,030 --> 00:17:12,464
that you can spread that out
618
00:17:12,464 --> 00:17:14,266
throughout the rooms, in the locations,
619
00:17:14,266 --> 00:17:15,901
it's going to be installed out.
620
00:17:15,901 --> 00:17:17,036
So if you have
621
00:17:17,036 --> 00:17:18,070
a living room, dining room,
622
00:17:18,070 --> 00:17:18,904
you'd want to divide
623
00:17:18,904 --> 00:17:20,239
that material up, put it,
624
00:17:20,239 --> 00:17:20,572
you know,
625
00:17:20,572 --> 00:17:21,607
whatever amount
626
00:17:21,607 --> 00:17:22,041
is going to be
627
00:17:22,041 --> 00:17:23,142
in those rooms, family room,
628
00:17:23,142 --> 00:17:24,810
another one back in the bedrooms.
629
00:17:24,810 --> 00:17:26,879
If you can't get them into the bedroom,
630
00:17:26,879 --> 00:17:28,013
try to get them as close
631
00:17:28,013 --> 00:17:29,148
to that part of the house
632
00:17:29,148 --> 00:17:31,683
as is going to be if there's an upstairs.
633
00:17:31,683 --> 00:17:33,218
Upstairs has a different climate
634
00:17:33,218 --> 00:17:33,886
to downstairs.
635
00:17:33,886 --> 00:17:36,388
A lot of times get the material upstairs.
636
00:17:37,289 --> 00:17:38,791
I always like to
637
00:17:38,791 --> 00:17:40,726
if you don't have enough space to stick
638
00:17:40,726 --> 00:17:42,327
or stack them site, you know, a little
639
00:17:44,296 --> 00:17:45,631
at least
640
00:17:45,631 --> 00:17:47,800
have space between your rows
641
00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,101
if you stack them three wrote
642
00:17:49,101 --> 00:17:49,701
three cartons.
643
00:17:49,701 --> 00:17:51,570
I make sure there's air space
644
00:17:51,570 --> 00:17:52,538
between them.
645
00:17:52,538 --> 00:17:54,673
I always recommend a sticker
646
00:17:54,673 --> 00:17:56,141
to be underneath them between them.
647
00:17:56,141 --> 00:17:57,142
The subfloor,
648
00:17:57,142 --> 00:17:59,244
especially if it's concrete,
649
00:17:59,244 --> 00:18:00,546
even on plywood.
650
00:18:00,546 --> 00:18:01,080
Get some air,
651
00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,215
make sure there's air underneath there.
652
00:18:03,215 --> 00:18:05,584
But what's critical to on acclimation
653
00:18:05,584 --> 00:18:06,452
is to find out
654
00:18:06,452 --> 00:18:08,053
what the manufacturer
655
00:18:08,053 --> 00:18:10,689
wants you to do with that material.
656
00:18:10,689 --> 00:18:11,890
Like I say, some of them say
657
00:18:11,890 --> 00:18:13,325
leave it in the plastic.
658
00:18:13,325 --> 00:18:15,427
Some of them say open the cartons.
659
00:18:15,427 --> 00:18:17,796
Some of them say just cut the tips open.
660
00:18:18,063 --> 00:18:20,265
So you have to know
661
00:18:20,265 --> 00:18:21,767
what that manufacturer wants you
662
00:18:21,767 --> 00:18:23,635
to do with that.
663
00:18:23,635 --> 00:18:26,572
Isn't so.
664
00:18:26,572 --> 00:18:27,706
I watch all these videos now.
665
00:18:27,706 --> 00:18:29,007
We're going to move on the installation
666
00:18:29,007 --> 00:18:31,043
a little bit and I watch all these videos
667
00:18:31,043 --> 00:18:32,077
and every video
668
00:18:32,077 --> 00:18:32,644
now is a race,
669
00:18:32,644 --> 00:18:33,112
but a letter
670
00:18:33,112 --> 00:18:36,248
that a letter that you know, you know,
671
00:18:36,281 --> 00:18:38,217
mailing three quarter is tag
672
00:18:38,217 --> 00:18:39,585
90 miles an hour,
673
00:18:39,585 --> 00:18:39,918
boom, boom,
674
00:18:39,918 --> 00:18:41,220
boom, boom, boom as fast as you can.
675
00:18:41,220 --> 00:18:42,254
So you want to talk about
676
00:18:42,254 --> 00:18:43,956
also the mailing schedule and
677
00:18:43,956 --> 00:18:44,890
that type of stuff
678
00:18:46,024 --> 00:18:47,493
which goes on to lose
679
00:18:47,493 --> 00:18:48,594
floors and noisy floors
680
00:18:48,594 --> 00:18:49,061
and all that kind.
681
00:18:49,061 --> 00:18:51,797
I mean. Yeah, yeah.
682
00:18:51,797 --> 00:18:53,632
A lot of the stuff that I see
683
00:18:53,632 --> 00:18:57,169
pretty repetitive in that is
684
00:18:57,169 --> 00:18:58,971
I think they think because the noise
685
00:18:58,971 --> 00:19:01,173
the faster makes a big loud noise
686
00:19:01,173 --> 00:19:01,673
when you hit it,
687
00:19:01,673 --> 00:19:03,275
whether it's a small
688
00:19:03,275 --> 00:19:04,643
quarter inch crown stapler
689
00:19:04,643 --> 00:19:05,878
or the three quarter
690
00:19:05,878 --> 00:19:09,148
inch cleat or a staple,
691
00:19:09,148 --> 00:19:10,349
you think that that machine
692
00:19:10,349 --> 00:19:11,984
might have enough power to hold that
693
00:19:11,984 --> 00:19:12,918
or when you hit it, it's
694
00:19:12,918 --> 00:19:14,186
going to pull that thing down.
695
00:19:14,186 --> 00:19:15,587
Nice and tight against the subfloor.
696
00:19:15,587 --> 00:19:18,957
So we see a lot of that where
697
00:19:19,091 --> 00:19:20,526
there's a term out there that's called
698
00:19:20,526 --> 00:19:21,660
fiber blow out
699
00:19:21,660 --> 00:19:22,995
or grain blow out,
700
00:19:22,995 --> 00:19:24,763
where as the cleat goes
701
00:19:24,763 --> 00:19:25,531
through the bottom,
702
00:19:25,531 --> 00:19:27,132
it blows a little bit of fiber out of the
703
00:19:27,132 --> 00:19:29,067
on the bottom side of that plank.
704
00:19:29,067 --> 00:19:30,836
If you get a little bit of that,
705
00:19:30,836 --> 00:19:31,303
a lot of times
706
00:19:31,303 --> 00:19:31,670
that ball
707
00:19:31,670 --> 00:19:33,305
is not going to be flat on the subfloor.
708
00:19:33,305 --> 00:19:34,806
So we get a little squeak on those
709
00:19:37,376 --> 00:19:39,244
fastener schedule is really important
710
00:19:39,244 --> 00:19:40,779
as far as the distance
711
00:19:40,779 --> 00:19:41,980
between them,
712
00:19:41,980 --> 00:19:43,315
you know, 4 to 6, six,
713
00:19:43,315 --> 00:19:44,950
eight, 8 to 10, those kind of thing.
714
00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:45,918
Know what that is?
715
00:19:45,918 --> 00:19:49,488
What those requirements are,
716
00:19:49,488 --> 00:19:52,524
air compressors adjusted properly.
717
00:19:52,524 --> 00:19:52,991
Generally,
718
00:19:52,991 --> 00:19:54,326
you have a tank pressure
719
00:19:54,326 --> 00:19:56,862
and then you have a line pressure.
720
00:19:56,862 --> 00:19:59,064
That's really important because you
721
00:19:59,064 --> 00:20:00,632
you might think you're setting
722
00:20:00,632 --> 00:20:02,534
the stapler or the cleat properly
723
00:20:02,534 --> 00:20:04,836
and maybe it's going in too far
724
00:20:04,836 --> 00:20:06,171
or maybe it's not going far enough.
725
00:20:06,171 --> 00:20:06,638
And then again,
726
00:20:06,638 --> 00:20:08,006
you're going to get a squeaky floor
727
00:20:08,006 --> 00:20:09,041
or possible squeak.
728
00:20:09,041 --> 00:20:09,508
You
729
00:20:12,444 --> 00:20:14,079
on the pre finished side of it.
730
00:20:14,079 --> 00:20:15,013
It's not so much
731
00:20:15,013 --> 00:20:16,481
it's not quite as critical
732
00:20:16,481 --> 00:20:17,683
on the sand and finish
733
00:20:17,683 --> 00:20:18,550
because you get a little bit
734
00:20:18,550 --> 00:20:19,718
more putty work on that.
735
00:20:19,718 --> 00:20:21,253
But I still don't recommend it.
736
00:20:22,421 --> 00:20:22,988
And that is
737
00:20:22,988 --> 00:20:23,522
on the pre
738
00:20:23,522 --> 00:20:24,523
finish where the guys
739
00:20:24,523 --> 00:20:25,958
are using the rubber mallets
740
00:20:25,958 --> 00:20:27,259
and they're hitting
741
00:20:27,259 --> 00:20:28,660
the surface of the planks
742
00:20:28,660 --> 00:20:29,528
or they're hitting the
743
00:20:29,528 --> 00:20:31,530
I call it the leading edge
744
00:20:31,530 --> 00:20:32,497
and they're pounding
745
00:20:32,497 --> 00:20:34,700
and I'm just literally driving the mallet
746
00:20:34,900 --> 00:20:35,667
along that edge.
747
00:20:35,667 --> 00:20:37,269
And they think that big rubber mallet
748
00:20:37,269 --> 00:20:38,437
is soft enough
749
00:20:38,437 --> 00:20:39,004
that that water
750
00:20:39,004 --> 00:20:40,672
is going to take that impact.
751
00:20:40,672 --> 00:20:42,708
And the amount of
752
00:20:42,808 --> 00:20:45,677
edge fracturing that we see
753
00:20:45,677 --> 00:20:48,180
sometimes six weeks, two months,
754
00:20:48,180 --> 00:20:50,649
three months down the road
755
00:20:50,649 --> 00:20:52,651
where you can actually see the impact,
756
00:20:52,651 --> 00:20:53,852
you can see the edge of it
757
00:20:53,852 --> 00:20:55,053
compressed a little bit.
758
00:20:55,053 --> 00:20:56,855
But you don't pick up on that right away
759
00:20:56,855 --> 00:20:59,091
until people start living on it.
760
00:20:59,091 --> 00:21:00,158
Maybe they do a little maintenance,
761
00:21:00,158 --> 00:21:01,126
they get a liquid down in there
762
00:21:01,126 --> 00:21:02,661
and that starts to splinter.
763
00:21:02,661 --> 00:21:03,695
So I would always say
764
00:21:03,695 --> 00:21:04,896
use your tapping block
765
00:21:04,896 --> 00:21:06,999
if you have it, don't hit.
766
00:21:06,999 --> 00:21:07,899
If you don't have one,
767
00:21:07,899 --> 00:21:10,168
make one out of a piece of scrap material
768
00:21:10,168 --> 00:21:11,703
so your your mallet
769
00:21:11,703 --> 00:21:13,872
and your hammer is not coming in contact
770
00:21:14,273 --> 00:21:15,841
with that flooring.
771
00:21:15,841 --> 00:21:17,709
And just
772
00:21:17,709 --> 00:21:19,211
don't think of it as in destructive
773
00:21:19,211 --> 00:21:20,512
because you can do some damage
774
00:21:20,512 --> 00:21:22,047
that will not show up and
775
00:21:22,047 --> 00:21:23,482
and everyone thinks
776
00:21:23,482 --> 00:21:25,150
that we won't recognize that.
777
00:21:25,150 --> 00:21:26,518
But I've seen enough of it.
778
00:21:26,518 --> 00:21:28,987
I would recognize it immediately.
779
00:21:28,987 --> 00:21:32,224
So be careful with the floor, install it,
780
00:21:32,224 --> 00:21:34,426
use the proper tools. If you're doing
781
00:21:35,627 --> 00:21:37,029
a glue down on concrete where
782
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:38,864
you can't put a fastener in there,
783
00:21:38,864 --> 00:21:40,599
you strap clamps,
784
00:21:40,599 --> 00:21:42,534
do not slam that stuff together.
785
00:21:42,534 --> 00:21:44,102
Do not beat on that wood
786
00:21:44,102 --> 00:21:45,237
strap clamps, pull it
787
00:21:45,237 --> 00:21:47,105
nice and tight together
788
00:21:47,105 --> 00:21:47,906
user tapping
789
00:21:47,906 --> 00:21:48,774
block to set that,
790
00:21:48,774 --> 00:21:49,675
bring that together
791
00:21:49,675 --> 00:21:52,010
and you really shouldn't have any issues.
792
00:21:52,911 --> 00:21:54,212
When you do inspections.
793
00:21:54,212 --> 00:21:55,814
What's the percent of inspections
794
00:21:55,814 --> 00:21:56,548
that you've done
795
00:21:56,548 --> 00:22:01,453
that the nailing pattern was wrong?
796
00:22:01,453 --> 00:22:03,021
Rob I don't have a number,
797
00:22:03,021 --> 00:22:04,523
but just as a kind of off
798
00:22:04,523 --> 00:22:08,460
the top of my head, I would say
799
00:22:08,827 --> 00:22:11,496
probably 25, 30%.
800
00:22:13,031 --> 00:22:14,066
And
801
00:22:14,766 --> 00:22:15,334
some of them,
802
00:22:15,334 --> 00:22:16,268
the one that you see,
803
00:22:16,268 --> 00:22:18,770
it's shocking that you scope
804
00:22:19,371 --> 00:22:20,906
did someone run out of nails?
805
00:22:20,906 --> 00:22:23,375
Did they lose track of where they were?
806
00:22:23,842 --> 00:22:25,177
I mean, we've seen them where,
807
00:22:26,278 --> 00:22:27,012
you know, a
808
00:22:27,012 --> 00:22:27,512
four foot
809
00:22:27,512 --> 00:22:29,081
plank will have
810
00:22:29,081 --> 00:22:30,215
three staples in it
811
00:22:30,215 --> 00:22:31,483
or three cleats in it.
812
00:22:31,483 --> 00:22:32,184
And you think all
813
00:22:32,184 --> 00:22:33,852
that is kind of a throwaway?
814
00:22:33,852 --> 00:22:34,586
It's kind of
815
00:22:34,586 --> 00:22:35,954
and then you start checking the floor
816
00:22:35,954 --> 00:22:38,023
and think, this is the pattern.
817
00:22:38,023 --> 00:22:39,725
Well, that wasn't Waynes brother's fault.
818
00:22:39,725 --> 00:22:41,560
That was not me.
819
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:41,893
I know.
820
00:22:41,893 --> 00:22:44,262
Wayne's brother Wayne pushes those guys.
821
00:22:44,830 --> 00:22:47,265
Wayne pushed those guys, too hard and
822
00:22:47,933 --> 00:22:50,235
they just had to come up with a shortcut
823
00:22:50,235 --> 00:22:51,636
somehow. Is his tool.
824
00:22:51,636 --> 00:22:53,438
His tool was the whip instead of a
825
00:22:53,438 --> 00:22:53,839
come on.
826
00:22:53,839 --> 00:22:55,340
Yes, he was yelling at him to
827
00:22:55,340 --> 00:22:56,575
at the cost of the nails,
828
00:22:56,575 --> 00:22:56,975
you know,
829
00:22:56,975 --> 00:23:00,345
you know what that speaks to make.
830
00:23:00,345 --> 00:23:00,579
That's
831
00:23:00,579 --> 00:23:01,613
very interesting
832
00:23:01,613 --> 00:23:02,681
that you could that that
833
00:23:02,681 --> 00:23:03,882
that doesn't show itself
834
00:23:03,882 --> 00:23:05,183
the the edge fracture
835
00:23:05,183 --> 00:23:06,485
and what have you until down
836
00:23:06,485 --> 00:23:08,120
the road that would shock some people
837
00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:09,755
to know that I think.
838
00:23:09,755 --> 00:23:12,190
And how much is this related to speed.
839
00:23:12,524 --> 00:23:13,592
You know I think so much
840
00:23:13,592 --> 00:23:14,559
these guys are humping
841
00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:16,027
man and a lot of times, guys,
842
00:23:16,027 --> 00:23:17,696
their pride is
843
00:23:17,696 --> 00:23:19,765
how much I can get done in a day. Right?
844
00:23:19,765 --> 00:23:20,232
Right.
845
00:23:20,265 --> 00:23:22,167
Like, that's that's
846
00:23:22,167 --> 00:23:23,435
I think we get wrapped up in that
847
00:23:23,435 --> 00:23:24,870
too much sometimes. And I get it.
848
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:25,070
You know,
849
00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:26,138
we get paid by the square foot
850
00:23:26,138 --> 00:23:28,507
a lot of times and I understand that.
851
00:23:28,507 --> 00:23:30,442
And labor stories, I get all that.
852
00:23:30,442 --> 00:23:32,611
But that that speed
853
00:23:32,611 --> 00:23:33,311
sometimes
854
00:23:33,311 --> 00:23:34,780
can really come back to bite
855
00:23:34,780 --> 00:23:36,882
you and that comes to stair steps
856
00:23:36,882 --> 00:23:38,517
and all that kind of stuff. Right.
857
00:23:38,517 --> 00:23:40,152
Right, right.
858
00:23:40,152 --> 00:23:41,386
So so what I find is
859
00:23:41,386 --> 00:23:43,255
generally the impact damage,
860
00:23:43,255 --> 00:23:44,089
that's what I call it,
861
00:23:45,157 --> 00:23:45,657
it's going to
862
00:23:45,657 --> 00:23:48,727
be more pronounced on a on a glued floor
863
00:23:49,594 --> 00:23:51,029
because the glue I see
864
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:52,297
that seems to be the pattern
865
00:23:52,297 --> 00:23:53,331
because the adhesive
866
00:23:53,331 --> 00:23:55,534
has a lot of strength to it.
867
00:23:55,534 --> 00:23:57,669
So if they're let's say
868
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:59,037
they're used to installing
869
00:23:59,037 --> 00:23:59,971
an unfinished floor
870
00:23:59,971 --> 00:24:01,606
or they're just going to staple
871
00:24:01,606 --> 00:24:02,741
floor down,
872
00:24:02,741 --> 00:24:04,576
you're like Luke kind of kind of tap
873
00:24:04,576 --> 00:24:05,510
those boards together
874
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:07,179
because there's nothing resisting them.
875
00:24:07,179 --> 00:24:08,413
There's no glue in the way.
876
00:24:08,413 --> 00:24:09,448
So you can kind of tap
877
00:24:09,448 --> 00:24:10,949
those edges, no damage.
878
00:24:10,949 --> 00:24:11,850
It's when you start
879
00:24:11,850 --> 00:24:13,285
getting into the really wide
880
00:24:13,285 --> 00:24:15,353
planks, the six, seven, nine
881
00:24:15,353 --> 00:24:17,122
or ten inches and greater,
882
00:24:17,122 --> 00:24:19,090
and they put a band of glue down,
883
00:24:19,090 --> 00:24:20,158
they put that glue down.
884
00:24:20,158 --> 00:24:21,927
There's a whole lot of strength
885
00:24:21,927 --> 00:24:22,994
that that adhesive
886
00:24:22,994 --> 00:24:25,230
is trying to hold that plank in place.
887
00:24:25,230 --> 00:24:26,531
And that's when the damage
888
00:24:26,531 --> 00:24:27,632
when they really start
889
00:24:27,632 --> 00:24:29,000
pounding on those boards,
890
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,702
really start pounding on it.
891
00:24:30,702 --> 00:24:32,137
So that's where
892
00:24:32,137 --> 00:24:33,271
my recommendation
893
00:24:33,271 --> 00:24:35,574
and I don't know how many strap clamps
894
00:24:35,574 --> 00:24:36,208
have been purchased
895
00:24:36,208 --> 00:24:37,509
since I've been
896
00:24:37,542 --> 00:24:38,443
trying to describe
897
00:24:38,443 --> 00:24:39,311
the importance of them.
898
00:24:40,712 --> 00:24:41,346
But to
899
00:24:41,346 --> 00:24:42,113
use a strap
900
00:24:42,113 --> 00:24:42,647
clamp on
901
00:24:42,647 --> 00:24:44,783
that, pull tension on those planks
902
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:46,218
and then tapping
903
00:24:46,218 --> 00:24:47,619
with the tapping block,
904
00:24:47,619 --> 00:24:48,787
it just incredible
905
00:24:48,787 --> 00:24:50,188
how just senses that thing
906
00:24:50,188 --> 00:24:51,389
and there's no damage done.
907
00:24:51,389 --> 00:24:52,724
You just move across the floor.
908
00:24:52,724 --> 00:24:53,458
Yeah,
909
00:24:53,592 --> 00:24:55,527
but to your point, Wayne,
910
00:24:55,527 --> 00:24:56,828
they have a tendency to think
911
00:24:56,828 --> 00:24:57,829
that it slows them down
912
00:24:57,829 --> 00:25:00,065
and it really doesn't
913
00:25:00,098 --> 00:25:02,667
it really doesn't slow the strap clamps.
914
00:25:03,368 --> 00:25:05,136
I was making a comparison like this.
915
00:25:05,136 --> 00:25:05,537
Some guy
916
00:25:05,537 --> 00:25:07,839
said, Well, I'd rather use blue tape.
917
00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:09,641
Well, as I'm going across the floor
918
00:25:09,641 --> 00:25:11,910
using the strap clamps,
919
00:25:11,910 --> 00:25:13,478
once I'm finished, you
920
00:25:13,478 --> 00:25:14,846
now have to come back and remove
921
00:25:14,846 --> 00:25:15,413
all the tape.
922
00:25:15,413 --> 00:25:17,415
I don't have to do that.
923
00:25:17,415 --> 00:25:20,051
So it's kind of about this. It's Trey.
924
00:25:20,085 --> 00:25:21,753
It's a little bit of a trade tradeoff.
925
00:25:21,753 --> 00:25:25,991
Yeah.
926
00:25:25,991 --> 00:25:28,426
Staying with glue downs also.
927
00:25:28,426 --> 00:25:29,561
I mean, there is going to be hollow
928
00:25:29,561 --> 00:25:30,028
spots.
929
00:25:30,028 --> 00:25:31,029
There can be, you know,
930
00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:34,533
sometimes guys will outlay the open time
931
00:25:35,166 --> 00:25:36,234
on the floor,
932
00:25:36,234 --> 00:25:37,435
which can lead to hot spots
933
00:25:37,435 --> 00:25:38,069
and other issues
934
00:25:38,069 --> 00:25:39,804
and not waiting the boxes down. So maybe
935
00:25:41,006 --> 00:25:42,507
as particularly with glue downs
936
00:25:42,507 --> 00:25:43,241
and that type of stuff,
937
00:25:43,241 --> 00:25:45,277
we can maybe go into that a little bit
938
00:25:45,277 --> 00:25:46,411
using the proper trowel.
939
00:25:46,411 --> 00:25:47,479
So maybe
940
00:25:47,879 --> 00:25:48,747
you're going to talk about that
941
00:25:48,747 --> 00:25:49,581
a little bit.
942
00:25:49,981 --> 00:25:50,348
Well,
943
00:25:50,348 --> 00:25:50,849
I would say
944
00:25:50,849 --> 00:25:53,618
I would start off with floor flatness.
945
00:25:53,618 --> 00:25:55,453
I hear it a lot.
946
00:25:55,887 --> 00:25:56,588
The guys say, well,
947
00:25:56,588 --> 00:25:57,822
I just put a little more adhesive
948
00:25:57,822 --> 00:25:58,623
in the low spots
949
00:25:58,623 --> 00:25:59,624
and it kind of fills them up
950
00:25:59,624 --> 00:26:00,125
and that works
951
00:26:00,125 --> 00:26:01,726
pretty good most of the time,
952
00:26:01,726 --> 00:26:03,662
which you're not going to get an argument
953
00:26:03,662 --> 00:26:07,432
out of me that might be the case, but
954
00:26:07,465 --> 00:26:09,367
floor flatness is critical
955
00:26:09,367 --> 00:26:10,635
in that 3/16
956
00:26:10,635 --> 00:26:13,338
and ten feet or eight inch and six feet.
957
00:26:13,805 --> 00:26:15,640
If you could get within those tolerances,
958
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,943
the chances of having a hollow spot
959
00:26:17,943 --> 00:26:19,411
have been reduced greatly.
960
00:26:20,879 --> 00:26:21,546
So that's where I
961
00:26:21,546 --> 00:26:23,748
always I always say start there,
962
00:26:23,748 --> 00:26:25,350
know what size travel
963
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:26,818
you're supposed to use,
964
00:26:26,818 --> 00:26:29,988
know what your open time is.
965
00:26:30,121 --> 00:26:31,723
I always recommend to hold it too,
966
00:26:31,723 --> 00:26:33,892
with maybe two rows of the adhesive,
967
00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:35,994
depending on the length of the room.
968
00:26:35,994 --> 00:26:38,163
If you've got a 30 foot room,
969
00:26:38,163 --> 00:26:39,130
don't spread like
970
00:26:39,130 --> 00:26:40,198
you think you're going to get four
971
00:26:40,198 --> 00:26:41,600
or five rows in there.
972
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,301
By the time you get out there, you're
973
00:26:43,301 --> 00:26:44,302
you're almost cured.
974
00:26:44,302 --> 00:26:45,303
But by the time you get out to
975
00:26:45,303 --> 00:26:46,204
that last row,
976
00:26:46,204 --> 00:26:47,339
it's not going to go together
977
00:26:47,339 --> 00:26:47,739
and then
978
00:26:47,739 --> 00:26:50,208
it's not going to grab the wood properly,
979
00:26:50,208 --> 00:26:51,176
going to have a hollow spot,
980
00:26:51,176 --> 00:26:51,910
those kind of things.
981
00:26:51,910 --> 00:26:52,611
So
982
00:26:53,712 --> 00:26:54,179
know what
983
00:26:54,179 --> 00:26:56,514
your rate is, know what your set time is.
984
00:26:56,514 --> 00:26:57,849
When it comes to subfloor
985
00:26:57,849 --> 00:26:59,951
prep, it's been my experience
986
00:26:59,951 --> 00:27:01,720
that a lot of times a guy
987
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:02,053
come out
988
00:27:02,053 --> 00:27:02,854
and bid the job and go,
989
00:27:02,854 --> 00:27:03,688
Okay, I'm just going
990
00:27:03,688 --> 00:27:04,489
throw number out there.
991
00:27:04,489 --> 00:27:05,824
We're going to install this for
992
00:27:05,824 --> 00:27:08,126
for 12 bucks a square foot, whatever
993
00:27:08,126 --> 00:27:09,094
Jake says, fine.
994
00:27:09,094 --> 00:27:09,527
That's great.
995
00:27:09,527 --> 00:27:11,129
Then they have the job at the time
996
00:27:11,129 --> 00:27:12,197
to do the job.
997
00:27:12,197 --> 00:27:13,798
The floor guy gets there, really starts
998
00:27:13,798 --> 00:27:15,567
looking at the highs and lows
999
00:27:15,567 --> 00:27:16,801
and it's like, well,
1000
00:27:16,801 --> 00:27:17,168
we didn't
1001
00:27:17,168 --> 00:27:19,504
charge for subfloor prep and GC
1002
00:27:19,537 --> 00:27:21,373
said, Well, I didn't, you know, I didn't,
1003
00:27:21,373 --> 00:27:22,007
you know, whatever.
1004
00:27:22,007 --> 00:27:23,174
And now like now it's a tougher
1005
00:27:23,174 --> 00:27:24,576
conversation, right?
1006
00:27:24,576 --> 00:27:25,744
Right.
1007
00:27:25,744 --> 00:27:26,978
Difficult conversation.
1008
00:27:26,978 --> 00:27:29,147
Yes. To not have that up front.
1009
00:27:29,147 --> 00:27:30,715
So it's
1010
00:27:32,117 --> 00:27:33,585
seems to me and
1011
00:27:33,585 --> 00:27:34,886
fortunately and I've worked with
1012
00:27:34,886 --> 00:27:37,689
quite a few good ones over the years,
1013
00:27:37,689 --> 00:27:38,156
what I
1014
00:27:38,156 --> 00:27:39,491
what I'm recognizing
1015
00:27:39,491 --> 00:27:40,425
and you guys might to
1016
00:27:40,425 --> 00:27:43,028
being in the business long as you have
1017
00:27:43,028 --> 00:27:44,829
they're kind of taken over our industry
1018
00:27:44,829 --> 00:27:47,499
as far as our schedule goes
1019
00:27:47,532 --> 00:27:49,200
and the demands they're putting on us.
1020
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,568
And I read an article recently
1021
00:27:50,568 --> 00:27:52,270
and they talk about the cost of money
1022
00:27:52,270 --> 00:27:54,239
to build a home or construction
1023
00:27:54,239 --> 00:27:55,206
loan, how critical
1024
00:27:55,206 --> 00:27:56,241
it is to get that house
1025
00:27:56,241 --> 00:27:58,576
done as soon as possible.
1026
00:27:58,576 --> 00:28:00,779
And I think also with the
1027
00:28:00,779 --> 00:28:01,880
with the advancements
1028
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,014
in pre finished flooring,
1029
00:28:03,014 --> 00:28:04,149
they're treating our trade
1030
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:05,016
a little bit differently
1031
00:28:05,016 --> 00:28:05,850
and they're thinking,
1032
00:28:05,850 --> 00:28:08,053
hey, we can just put this floor down
1033
00:28:08,053 --> 00:28:08,920
and cover it up
1034
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,522
or we can just go ahead and put it in,
1035
00:28:10,522 --> 00:28:13,024
even if we're not quite ready for it.
1036
00:28:13,024 --> 00:28:14,893
So going back to your statement earlier
1037
00:28:14,893 --> 00:28:15,627
about the younger
1038
00:28:15,627 --> 00:28:17,262
guys not having the experience
1039
00:28:17,262 --> 00:28:18,863
to talk to a general contractor
1040
00:28:18,863 --> 00:28:19,164
and say
1041
00:28:19,164 --> 00:28:21,099
this is the important thing for us.
1042
00:28:21,099 --> 00:28:22,634
We need subfloor, flatness,
1043
00:28:22,634 --> 00:28:25,003
we need a good site conditions.
1044
00:28:25,570 --> 00:28:26,971
We can't overspray,
1045
00:28:26,971 --> 00:28:28,273
we can't have high spots
1046
00:28:28,273 --> 00:28:29,808
and we need to be painting
1047
00:28:29,808 --> 00:28:30,842
to take care of them.
1048
00:28:32,243 --> 00:28:34,279
It's a hard conversation for a young guy.
1049
00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:35,346
It is.
1050
00:28:35,346 --> 00:28:38,516
And, you know,
1051
00:28:38,516 --> 00:28:39,751
nobody's going to come back.
1052
00:28:39,751 --> 00:28:42,687
Everybody has amnesia after the fact
1053
00:28:43,088 --> 00:28:44,622
and those conversation,
1054
00:28:44,622 --> 00:28:45,957
you're the guy holding the bag.
1055
00:28:45,957 --> 00:28:48,193
There's nobody there's no Calvary coming.
1056
00:28:48,193 --> 00:28:52,097
And it's it's on you to do that in, man.
1057
00:28:52,097 --> 00:28:54,365
I just think some of the yeah.
1058
00:28:54,365 --> 00:28:54,999
I think the fear
1059
00:28:54,999 --> 00:28:56,367
sometimes if I don't do the job,
1060
00:28:56,367 --> 00:28:58,470
somebody else will. Someone else will.
1061
00:28:58,470 --> 00:29:00,338
And a lot of guys will go through
1062
00:29:00,338 --> 00:29:02,741
their entire career with that.
1063
00:29:02,741 --> 00:29:04,375
It says a lot about the self-confidence
1064
00:29:04,375 --> 00:29:05,477
of a real craftsman
1065
00:29:05,477 --> 00:29:07,011
that can say, you know what?
1066
00:29:07,011 --> 00:29:07,645
And that's
1067
00:29:07,645 --> 00:29:08,079
what I loved
1068
00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:09,013
about going to
1069
00:29:09,414 --> 00:29:11,883
school, by the way, is that you're out
1070
00:29:11,883 --> 00:29:13,351
there as a flooring contractor
1071
00:29:13,351 --> 00:29:13,952
on an island
1072
00:29:13,952 --> 00:29:15,620
sometimes, like you're out there
1073
00:29:15,620 --> 00:29:17,055
facing these general contractors
1074
00:29:17,055 --> 00:29:17,889
boom, boom, boom, one
1075
00:29:17,889 --> 00:29:18,623
at a time
1076
00:29:18,623 --> 00:29:20,592
that are putting these demands on you
1077
00:29:20,592 --> 00:29:23,328
and you're telling them, look, here's
1078
00:29:23,328 --> 00:29:24,729
what needs to be done,
1079
00:29:24,729 --> 00:29:25,997
but then you go to the school
1080
00:29:25,997 --> 00:29:27,298
like this, like like this,
1081
00:29:27,298 --> 00:29:27,899
inspect the school,
1082
00:29:27,899 --> 00:29:28,967
or you go to the end of the class.
1083
00:29:28,967 --> 00:29:30,168
You realize, look,
1084
00:29:30,401 --> 00:29:31,002
this isn't me
1085
00:29:31,002 --> 00:29:32,036
saying this is a body
1086
00:29:32,036 --> 00:29:33,838
of science behind this.
1087
00:29:33,838 --> 00:29:35,406
So I know what I'm talking about.
1088
00:29:35,406 --> 00:29:37,008
And I'm going to I'm going to hold my,
1089
00:29:37,008 --> 00:29:38,977
you know, hold my position here.
1090
00:29:38,977 --> 00:29:40,979
And the good contractors
1091
00:29:40,979 --> 00:29:42,413
you'll see again,
1092
00:29:42,614 --> 00:29:43,414
the bad ones, you didn't
1093
00:29:43,414 --> 00:29:45,350
want them anyhow. Right.
1094
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:46,718
And the way things
1095
00:29:46,718 --> 00:29:47,619
have been in the last few years,
1096
00:29:47,619 --> 00:29:47,919
I know it's
1097
00:29:47,919 --> 00:29:49,254
slowing down in parts of the country
1098
00:29:49,254 --> 00:29:51,189
now, but you can really especially
1099
00:29:51,189 --> 00:29:52,457
the crime of it
1100
00:29:52,457 --> 00:29:54,359
is is getting yourself in that situation
1101
00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:56,161
when there's so much work out there,
1102
00:29:56,161 --> 00:29:56,928
you know what I mean?
1103
00:29:56,928 --> 00:29:57,896
You put yourself behind the
1104
00:29:57,896 --> 00:29:59,130
eight ball to begin with. So.
1105
00:30:00,498 --> 00:30:01,766
Well, you know,
1106
00:30:02,934 --> 00:30:04,135
speaking about the end of your pay,
1107
00:30:04,135 --> 00:30:05,537
the one thing that's interesting is
1108
00:30:05,537 --> 00:30:07,238
how many
1109
00:30:07,939 --> 00:30:10,208
mills and manufacturers
1110
00:30:10,208 --> 00:30:12,911
reference the WFA as their standards.
1111
00:30:13,711 --> 00:30:17,248
So again, if the foreign contractor
1112
00:30:17,248 --> 00:30:19,617
would take advantage of that and say,
1113
00:30:19,884 --> 00:30:21,619
this is not my word,
1114
00:30:21,619 --> 00:30:22,987
this is not what I require,
1115
00:30:22,987 --> 00:30:24,022
this is what
1116
00:30:24,022 --> 00:30:24,556
not just
1117
00:30:24,556 --> 00:30:25,690
the manufacturer, it's
1118
00:30:25,690 --> 00:30:28,159
the best practices of the industry
1119
00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:30,695
and have that information
1120
00:30:30,695 --> 00:30:32,430
so that if he wants to counter you,
1121
00:30:32,430 --> 00:30:33,765
you can give him that information.
1122
00:30:33,765 --> 00:30:35,433
Going back to the cell phone.
1123
00:30:35,433 --> 00:30:36,201
Let me pull it up.
1124
00:30:36,201 --> 00:30:37,902
I'll send you some emails.
1125
00:30:37,902 --> 00:30:40,004
Yeah, yeah.
1126
00:30:40,004 --> 00:30:42,040
So the more information
1127
00:30:42,540 --> 00:30:43,174
the general car
1128
00:30:43,174 --> 00:30:44,409
the contractors have
1129
00:30:44,409 --> 00:30:46,110
to give to the general,
1130
00:30:46,110 --> 00:30:47,011
the better off they are,
1131
00:30:47,011 --> 00:30:48,780
the safer they are.
1132
00:30:48,780 --> 00:30:49,981
And it also sounds better
1133
00:30:49,981 --> 00:30:51,249
coming from a third party.
1134
00:30:52,217 --> 00:30:53,051
It does.
1135
00:30:53,051 --> 00:30:54,686
It does is correct.
1136
00:30:54,686 --> 00:30:55,687
Well, you know what, Rob?
1137
00:30:55,687 --> 00:30:56,321
That's another
1138
00:30:56,321 --> 00:30:58,022
you know, the position I'm in now.
1139
00:30:58,022 --> 00:30:59,324
I can't tell you how many times
1140
00:30:59,324 --> 00:31:00,391
that happens.
1141
00:31:00,391 --> 00:31:01,693
Hey, can I conference you in?
1142
00:31:01,693 --> 00:31:02,594
I need you to talk
1143
00:31:02,594 --> 00:31:04,062
to my general contractor.
1144
00:31:04,062 --> 00:31:06,598
Or can you talk with my homeowner
1145
00:31:06,598 --> 00:31:08,333
and back them up.
1146
00:31:08,333 --> 00:31:09,000
Right
1147
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,969
when I was still contracting
1148
00:31:10,969 --> 00:31:12,437
and still installing stuff,
1149
00:31:12,437 --> 00:31:13,738
that was one of the lines
1150
00:31:13,738 --> 00:31:15,807
that I would use with the homeowner is
1151
00:31:16,708 --> 00:31:18,309
I go by the standards of practices
1152
00:31:18,309 --> 00:31:19,811
of the National Wood Floor Association.
1153
00:31:19,811 --> 00:31:21,579
Yeah, there is a governing body.
1154
00:31:21,579 --> 00:31:23,615
They're the ones who set the rules.
1155
00:31:23,615 --> 00:31:25,717
Not me, not the manufacturer.
1156
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:26,117
You know,
1157
00:31:26,117 --> 00:31:29,087
this is why I go by their standards.
1158
00:31:29,087 --> 00:31:31,155
I think, Wayne, here is a great word.
1159
00:31:31,155 --> 00:31:32,490
It's the science.
1160
00:31:32,490 --> 00:31:34,359
We have science behind us.
1161
00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:36,327
Just just as a painting contractor,
1162
00:31:36,327 --> 00:31:38,496
as just as a cement contractor.
1163
00:31:38,496 --> 00:31:40,531
That guy's not going to pour slab
1164
00:31:40,531 --> 00:31:41,666
if the dew points off.
1165
00:31:41,666 --> 00:31:43,034
He's not going to pour slab
1166
00:31:43,034 --> 00:31:44,168
if it's raining.
1167
00:31:44,168 --> 00:31:46,170
So why can't the flooring guys
1168
00:31:46,170 --> 00:31:48,640
be able to use the science as well?
1169
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:49,540
Wayne will do it.
1170
00:31:50,708 --> 00:31:51,643
He he's the guy who
1171
00:31:51,643 --> 00:31:53,711
squirts water on it to make it
1172
00:31:53,711 --> 00:31:55,446
sound easier.
1173
00:31:55,446 --> 00:31:56,681
Also put some water on it
1174
00:31:56,681 --> 00:31:57,548
towards the tarmac,
1175
00:31:57,548 --> 00:31:59,550
starting us to where I can't. Right?
1176
00:31:59,550 --> 00:32:01,719
Yeah. Yeah, I. Got to go fishing.
1177
00:32:01,719 --> 00:32:04,689
There you go. Wow.
1178
00:32:04,689 --> 00:32:06,024
He does know you.
1179
00:32:06,024 --> 00:32:08,893
Yeah.
1180
00:32:08,893 --> 00:32:10,929
No, I'll all really good points.
1181
00:32:10,929 --> 00:32:11,963
And, you know, sometimes
1182
00:32:11,963 --> 00:32:13,331
and to your point about a third party,
1183
00:32:13,331 --> 00:32:14,399
I've been called out
1184
00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:15,934
in my role as a tour
1185
00:32:15,934 --> 00:32:17,669
or to a manager years ago,
1186
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:19,671
I get called out to job sometimes
1187
00:32:19,671 --> 00:32:22,006
and to talk to the homeowner,
1188
00:32:22,006 --> 00:32:24,275
and I would basically tell the homeowner
1189
00:32:24,275 --> 00:32:26,844
the same thing the contractor told him.
1190
00:32:26,844 --> 00:32:28,479
And because it came from me,
1191
00:32:28,479 --> 00:32:29,213
they would believe me
1192
00:32:29,213 --> 00:32:30,515
and I would be mad on the
1193
00:32:30,515 --> 00:32:32,583
on the contractors behalf. Yeah.
1194
00:32:33,351 --> 00:32:35,153
This guy told you hired a professional
1195
00:32:35,153 --> 00:32:37,388
and he told you you don't even know me.
1196
00:32:37,388 --> 00:32:38,356
Yeah, you know what I mean?
1197
00:32:38,356 --> 00:32:38,923
You should.
1198
00:32:38,923 --> 00:32:40,091
You trust this guy's word,
1199
00:32:40,091 --> 00:32:41,259
and sometimes on their behalf,
1200
00:32:41,259 --> 00:32:42,894
I get frustrated because, like.
1201
00:32:42,894 --> 00:32:44,529
And I know he does sound like you.
1202
00:32:44,529 --> 00:32:45,063
Really? Me?
1203
00:32:45,063 --> 00:32:45,863
You told her exactly
1204
00:32:45,863 --> 00:32:46,631
the right thing to do.
1205
00:32:46,631 --> 00:32:47,765
And your boss says
1206
00:32:47,765 --> 00:32:48,833
you had to hear it from somebody else.
1207
00:32:48,833 --> 00:32:50,835
And I'm sorry that that was the case.
1208
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:52,704
Yeah, it's true.
1209
00:32:52,704 --> 00:32:53,938
I think that's just kind of
1210
00:32:53,938 --> 00:32:55,707
the nature of the public.
1211
00:32:55,707 --> 00:32:59,444
They just for some reason.
1212
00:32:59,444 --> 00:33:01,346
And then let's talk about sanding.
1213
00:33:01,346 --> 00:33:02,447
And I think this.
1214
00:33:02,447 --> 00:33:04,048
Is all done
1215
00:33:04,048 --> 00:33:06,818
one minute before we get into sanding.
1216
00:33:06,818 --> 00:33:08,219
I just want to
1217
00:33:08,219 --> 00:33:09,354
and I know you're going to kill me
1218
00:33:09,354 --> 00:33:11,556
for this, but, you know, that's
1219
00:33:12,623 --> 00:33:13,758
that's why we do this show.
1220
00:33:13,758 --> 00:33:14,359
Right?
1221
00:33:15,393 --> 00:33:16,194
There is
1222
00:33:16,194 --> 00:33:16,894
like I said,
1223
00:33:16,894 --> 00:33:17,095
when I
1224
00:33:17,095 --> 00:33:20,098
was reading some of your notes and,
1225
00:33:20,098 --> 00:33:22,133
you know, maybe in California,
1226
00:33:22,133 --> 00:33:23,634
it's not as important
1227
00:33:23,634 --> 00:33:24,869
as it is out in the east
1228
00:33:24,869 --> 00:33:27,038
or where your brother is up in Michigan.
1229
00:33:27,038 --> 00:33:28,873
But I'd like you to touch
1230
00:33:28,873 --> 00:33:31,442
on a little bit on occupancy ready
1231
00:33:32,176 --> 00:33:34,245
when you're doing the acclimation.
1232
00:33:35,346 --> 00:33:36,581
I'm glad you brought that up
1233
00:33:36,581 --> 00:33:38,182
because I use that term a lot.
1234
00:33:38,182 --> 00:33:40,485
I use occupancy ready and I end it
1235
00:33:40,518 --> 00:33:43,054
and I don't hold that just to
1236
00:33:43,488 --> 00:33:45,123
someone's home.
1237
00:33:45,123 --> 00:33:46,457
It's the building as well.
1238
00:33:46,457 --> 00:33:48,993
Occupancy ready if and I always say
1239
00:33:49,494 --> 00:33:50,862
a little on the sarcastic side,
1240
00:33:50,862 --> 00:33:51,662
but I don't mean to be.
1241
00:33:51,662 --> 00:33:52,997
I try to make a point
1242
00:33:52,997 --> 00:33:54,565
as if you were standing outside
1243
00:33:54,565 --> 00:33:55,900
the door, your suitcases,
1244
00:33:55,900 --> 00:33:57,068
and you were going to sleep there
1245
00:33:57,068 --> 00:33:58,036
that night
1246
00:33:58,202 --> 00:33:59,270
and that's occupancy
1247
00:33:59,270 --> 00:34:01,739
ready prior to delivery of material,
1248
00:34:02,507 --> 00:34:05,109
not after it gets there or
1249
00:34:05,109 --> 00:34:06,778
before you start installation.
1250
00:34:06,778 --> 00:34:08,713
It's prior to so.
1251
00:34:08,713 --> 00:34:10,948
So to me, occupancy ready is
1252
00:34:11,149 --> 00:34:12,350
what would be comfortable
1253
00:34:12,350 --> 00:34:14,218
to virtually anybody that we know
1254
00:34:14,218 --> 00:34:15,720
as family or friends.
1255
00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:17,522
They're not going to move into a house
1256
00:34:17,522 --> 00:34:21,459
that's 106 degrees outside and 85 inside.
1257
00:34:21,459 --> 00:34:22,460
They're not going to move in there
1258
00:34:22,460 --> 00:34:24,228
if it's 50 degrees in the house,
1259
00:34:24,228 --> 00:34:25,496
they're not going to sleep there.
1260
00:34:25,496 --> 00:34:28,533
So occupancy ready is the age.
1261
00:34:28,533 --> 00:34:30,868
Mark has been set.
1262
00:34:30,868 --> 00:34:33,037
It's running, humidity is controlled.
1263
00:34:33,504 --> 00:34:34,572
The temperature is
1264
00:34:34,572 --> 00:34:36,541
our right to receive our materials
1265
00:34:36,541 --> 00:34:40,778
so that that material is acclimating to
1266
00:34:40,778 --> 00:34:41,679
its lived
1267
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:42,580
the environment it's
1268
00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:45,049
going to live in from that point on.
1269
00:34:45,049 --> 00:34:47,385
That's that's my definition of occupancy.
1270
00:34:47,385 --> 00:34:47,985
Ready.
1271
00:34:48,052 --> 00:34:48,519
So what
1272
00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:50,021
the room you're sitting in right now
1273
00:34:50,021 --> 00:34:51,322
is occupancy ready.
1274
00:34:51,322 --> 00:34:53,291
It's established, it's comfortable.
1275
00:34:53,291 --> 00:34:55,626
It stays fairly stable
1276
00:34:55,626 --> 00:34:57,428
throughout the entire year.
1277
00:34:57,428 --> 00:34:59,330
Even with the huge changes
1278
00:34:59,330 --> 00:34:59,831
you guys deal
1279
00:34:59,831 --> 00:35:01,132
with, it's still pretty stable.
1280
00:35:01,132 --> 00:35:02,700
So your materials
1281
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:03,968
acclimatize as and lives
1282
00:35:03,968 --> 00:35:05,136
in that environment.
1283
00:35:05,136 --> 00:35:06,571
You take it down the street.
1284
00:35:06,571 --> 00:35:07,572
Might be a different
1285
00:35:07,572 --> 00:35:08,473
occupancy ready
1286
00:35:08,473 --> 00:35:09,373
for those residents
1287
00:35:09,373 --> 00:35:11,275
down there or that business.
1288
00:35:11,275 --> 00:35:13,511
Because I know there's so many deliveries
1289
00:35:13,511 --> 00:35:15,613
going on where it's not.
1290
00:35:16,380 --> 00:35:19,417
I'd love what you said about now don't
1291
00:35:19,784 --> 00:35:21,252
you might be getting it ready
1292
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:23,521
right but
1293
00:35:23,521 --> 00:35:23,888
you want
1294
00:35:23,888 --> 00:35:25,123
it completely ready
1295
00:35:25,123 --> 00:35:27,558
before we put a stick on that job.
1296
00:35:27,558 --> 00:35:29,327
I actually was at a site last
1297
00:35:29,327 --> 00:35:32,330
just last Friday and
1298
00:35:32,330 --> 00:35:34,632
a very high end mill, well known,
1299
00:35:34,632 --> 00:35:36,701
well-established, been around forever,
1300
00:35:36,701 --> 00:35:38,703
very high standards.
1301
00:35:38,703 --> 00:35:41,139
And I was called out
1302
00:35:41,139 --> 00:35:43,274
because they were having trouble.
1303
00:35:43,274 --> 00:35:46,244
They wouldn't believe the foreign guy.
1304
00:35:46,244 --> 00:35:47,011
I walked in the house,
1305
00:35:47,011 --> 00:35:48,546
it was 61 degrees and the house was
1306
00:35:48,546 --> 00:35:49,780
and this is a building
1307
00:35:49,780 --> 00:35:51,315
that's being converted.
1308
00:35:51,315 --> 00:35:52,783
It's a condominium is being worked on.
1309
00:35:52,783 --> 00:35:55,119
It's probably a 25 year old building.
1310
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:55,820
So it's been around.
1311
00:35:55,820 --> 00:35:57,188
It's not brand new construction,
1312
00:35:57,188 --> 00:35:59,323
but the inside is brand new construction.
1313
00:35:59,624 --> 00:36:01,425
And they looked at me like I had heads
1314
00:36:01,425 --> 00:36:02,560
when I said
1315
00:36:02,660 --> 00:36:03,861
this material technically
1316
00:36:03,861 --> 00:36:05,596
should be taken out of the building,
1317
00:36:07,031 --> 00:36:07,798
fire up the
1318
00:36:07,798 --> 00:36:08,699
track, get this
1319
00:36:08,699 --> 00:36:09,934
occupancy ready,
1320
00:36:09,934 --> 00:36:12,503
and then bring back in here.
1321
00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:14,038
So what do you
1322
00:36:14,038 --> 00:36:16,440
so we explain occupancy ready to now
1323
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,643
this is a flooring guy
1324
00:36:18,676 --> 00:36:20,678
going back to our earlier conversation
1325
00:36:20,678 --> 00:36:21,579
was bending
1326
00:36:21,579 --> 00:36:25,283
to the will of the contractor.
1327
00:36:25,283 --> 00:36:25,783
You know,
1328
00:36:25,783 --> 00:36:27,485
I was in New York not too long ago
1329
00:36:27,485 --> 00:36:28,719
and I was talking to a guy
1330
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,189
who's on a on a huge job
1331
00:36:31,189 --> 00:36:33,391
and it's a massive building.
1332
00:36:33,758 --> 00:36:35,393
And he said,
1333
00:36:35,393 --> 00:36:37,228
you know, the interest rates went up.
1334
00:36:37,228 --> 00:36:38,429
And so what it does to that
1335
00:36:38,429 --> 00:36:39,964
that general contractors
1336
00:36:39,964 --> 00:36:40,898
what does that
1337
00:36:40,898 --> 00:36:42,466
how much he pays every month
1338
00:36:42,466 --> 00:36:43,501
on that on his loan
1339
00:36:43,501 --> 00:36:46,337
and whatever is absolute astronomical
1340
00:36:46,771 --> 00:36:49,040
so he's speeding up the process
1341
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,174
for everybody. Right.
1342
00:36:50,174 --> 00:36:50,975
And the problem is
1343
00:36:50,975 --> 00:36:53,211
we get caught up in that vortex
1344
00:36:53,211 --> 00:36:54,812
of things and
1345
00:36:54,812 --> 00:36:56,948
and like you said, bending to the will.
1346
00:36:56,948 --> 00:36:57,949
I like that phrase
1347
00:36:57,949 --> 00:36:59,083
because that's what happens.
1348
00:36:59,083 --> 00:37:00,685
I, I just think it's so important
1349
00:37:00,685 --> 00:37:01,719
that we,
1350
00:37:02,086 --> 00:37:03,087
you know,
1351
00:37:03,087 --> 00:37:04,355
like I say, we're doing this
1352
00:37:04,355 --> 00:37:04,889
because you want to
1353
00:37:04,889 --> 00:37:05,890
keep people out of trouble.
1354
00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:07,191
You get no satisfaction.
1355
00:37:07,191 --> 00:37:08,392
I know
1356
00:37:08,659 --> 00:37:09,860
going in these situations
1357
00:37:09,860 --> 00:37:11,829
where it goes against the contractor.
1358
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:14,298
Yeah, it's just not anybody.
1359
00:37:14,298 --> 00:37:14,699
It doesn't,
1360
00:37:14,699 --> 00:37:16,867
it doesn't help anybody in this industry
1361
00:37:17,134 --> 00:37:18,469
if that being the case.
1362
00:37:18,469 --> 00:37:20,171
So hopefully we can,
1363
00:37:20,171 --> 00:37:20,905
especially the younger
1364
00:37:20,905 --> 00:37:22,173
guys that are coming up
1365
00:37:22,173 --> 00:37:23,774
that maybe don't have as much experience
1366
00:37:23,774 --> 00:37:24,342
in the industry,
1367
00:37:24,342 --> 00:37:25,610
that kind of keep them out of trouble.
1368
00:37:25,610 --> 00:37:28,145
So that's why it thrilled
1369
00:37:28,145 --> 00:37:29,914
you making the time to be on.
1370
00:37:29,914 --> 00:37:30,848
Well, you know, I have
1371
00:37:30,848 --> 00:37:33,718
I do have access to where my office is.
1372
00:37:34,118 --> 00:37:35,519
I'm in one of our branches.
1373
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:37,455
And so I do have access
1374
00:37:37,455 --> 00:37:39,490
and a lot of guys have access to me
1375
00:37:39,490 --> 00:37:40,691
and I just tell them
1376
00:37:40,691 --> 00:37:42,193
and I mean it sincerely.
1377
00:37:42,193 --> 00:37:43,561
Do not ever hesitate
1378
00:37:43,561 --> 00:37:44,629
to send me a text
1379
00:37:44,629 --> 00:37:46,497
or a photograph or a phone call.
1380
00:37:46,497 --> 00:37:48,232
I may not get the phone call,
1381
00:37:48,232 --> 00:37:49,000
but if you
1382
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:49,500
if you say,
1383
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:50,768
hey, can you evaluate this,
1384
00:37:50,768 --> 00:37:52,136
we might be able to help you out
1385
00:37:52,136 --> 00:37:53,337
and prevent that from happening.
1386
00:37:53,337 --> 00:37:55,206
So always make it.
1387
00:37:55,206 --> 00:37:56,807
We always, always try to.
1388
00:37:56,807 --> 00:37:57,908
And the young guys
1389
00:37:57,908 --> 00:37:59,110
and I'm trying to take advantage
1390
00:37:59,110 --> 00:38:00,711
of the years of experience
1391
00:38:00,711 --> 00:38:03,114
and the anguish that I've gone through
1392
00:38:03,114 --> 00:38:03,814
banning that,
1393
00:38:03,814 --> 00:38:05,182
looking at that builder thinking,
1394
00:38:05,182 --> 00:38:06,784
if he tells me to get off this job,
1395
00:38:06,784 --> 00:38:08,085
I don't know what I'm going to do.
1396
00:38:08,085 --> 00:38:08,719
Yeah.
1397
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,288
You know, so it's like, help
1398
00:38:10,288 --> 00:38:12,189
give him the language to be able to use.
1399
00:38:12,189 --> 00:38:14,191
What? The contractor and the homeowner.
1400
00:38:14,191 --> 00:38:16,127
Yeah. Good, good, good, good call.
1401
00:38:17,461 --> 00:38:17,895
All right.
1402
00:38:17,895 --> 00:38:18,529
Do you want to move on
1403
00:38:18,529 --> 00:38:19,330
to sanding a little bit
1404
00:38:19,330 --> 00:38:20,231
or do we want to touch anything
1405
00:38:20,231 --> 00:38:26,671
more on the on the installation part?
1406
00:38:26,671 --> 00:38:27,672
I think
1407
00:38:27,938 --> 00:38:28,773
the sanding seems to be
1408
00:38:28,773 --> 00:38:30,207
the most objective to me.
1409
00:38:30,207 --> 00:38:33,177
It's a tough is to do an inspection on
1410
00:38:33,177 --> 00:38:35,079
and just from my my opinion
1411
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:36,047
I mean of
1412
00:38:36,047 --> 00:38:37,748
what is passable, what's not passable
1413
00:38:37,748 --> 00:38:38,916
and what have you.
1414
00:38:39,884 --> 00:38:41,519
Certainly the techniques have gotten
1415
00:38:41,519 --> 00:38:43,487
better in recent years.
1416
00:38:43,487 --> 00:38:43,988
Machinery
1417
00:38:43,988 --> 00:38:47,124
gotten better, milling has gotten better.
1418
00:38:47,124 --> 00:38:48,426
There's a lot more information out there
1419
00:38:48,426 --> 00:38:50,094
than ever has been.
1420
00:38:50,094 --> 00:38:51,896
Clients are also more educated
1421
00:38:51,896 --> 00:38:53,130
than they ever have been in it,
1422
00:38:53,130 --> 00:38:54,498
which also creates some
1423
00:38:54,498 --> 00:38:55,666
when they think they know
1424
00:38:55,666 --> 00:38:56,467
more than the floor guy
1425
00:38:56,467 --> 00:38:58,369
does on day two of the job.
1426
00:38:58,369 --> 00:39:00,504
So maybe talk about YouTube.
1427
00:39:01,105 --> 00:39:02,740
Yes, that was all right.
1428
00:39:02,740 --> 00:39:03,474
So, yeah.
1429
00:39:03,474 --> 00:39:05,576
If I had done it myself,
1430
00:39:05,576 --> 00:39:09,413
if I had the time, yeah.
1431
00:39:09,413 --> 00:39:11,349
So what are some things
1432
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:13,551
that you see on sand jobs that
1433
00:39:14,185 --> 00:39:15,086
gets guys in trouble?
1434
00:39:16,654 --> 00:39:18,322
I would say probably that
1435
00:39:18,322 --> 00:39:19,757
too easiest ones
1436
00:39:19,757 --> 00:39:22,126
to spot are jumping sequence
1437
00:39:22,893 --> 00:39:25,529
where maybe it's a new installation
1438
00:39:25,529 --> 00:39:26,530
and they go after it.
1439
00:39:26,530 --> 00:39:29,066
I used to use I used to use
1440
00:39:29,066 --> 00:39:32,036
40, 80, 100 sequence
1441
00:39:32,036 --> 00:39:32,903
depending on what the
1442
00:39:32,903 --> 00:39:33,571
what kind of wood
1443
00:39:33,571 --> 00:39:34,505
it was, things like that
1444
00:39:34,505 --> 00:39:37,441
if it was a fresh install.
1445
00:39:37,842 --> 00:39:39,143
But I've seen
1446
00:39:39,143 --> 00:39:41,679
course is a 36 grid and jump to 100
1447
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,415
you know stuff like that.
1448
00:39:44,415 --> 00:39:47,752
I mean that that's kind of an outlier
1449
00:39:47,752 --> 00:39:52,690
but you still see that a lot it or
1450
00:39:52,923 --> 00:39:53,724
or you will see them
1451
00:39:53,724 --> 00:39:55,092
maybe making their first cut
1452
00:39:55,092 --> 00:39:57,962
at that angle and then they don't sand
1453
00:39:58,696 --> 00:40:01,098
when they when they change that direction
1454
00:40:01,098 --> 00:40:02,900
they don't stay on it enough
1455
00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:03,434
to make sure
1456
00:40:03,434 --> 00:40:04,568
all of those side cuts
1457
00:40:04,568 --> 00:40:09,473
that that flattening cut are taken out.
1458
00:40:09,473 --> 00:40:10,741
But generally, depending if
1459
00:40:11,876 --> 00:40:13,344
here's here's what I what I
1460
00:40:13,344 --> 00:40:16,480
have found over the years,
1461
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:17,581
if you don't know what color
1462
00:40:17,581 --> 00:40:19,283
the stain is going to be, a lot of times
1463
00:40:19,283 --> 00:40:21,152
the guys will sound a certain way
1464
00:40:21,152 --> 00:40:21,519
if they think
1465
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:22,753
it's going to be a clear finish
1466
00:40:22,753 --> 00:40:24,221
or natural finish.
1467
00:40:24,221 --> 00:40:24,789
Not going to show
1468
00:40:24,789 --> 00:40:25,356
quite as much
1469
00:40:25,356 --> 00:40:25,723
you maybe
1470
00:40:25,723 --> 00:40:27,792
not going to see a scratch or something,
1471
00:40:27,792 --> 00:40:28,492
but then all of a sudden
1472
00:40:28,492 --> 00:40:30,594
they have to stay in the floor
1473
00:40:30,594 --> 00:40:32,563
and then not and then they're in trouble.
1474
00:40:32,563 --> 00:40:33,097
So that's
1475
00:40:33,097 --> 00:40:36,434
when you start seeing those sandbags
1476
00:40:37,768 --> 00:40:39,069
not taking enough time
1477
00:40:39,069 --> 00:40:41,172
to make sure the floor is flat
1478
00:40:41,172 --> 00:40:43,808
and it looks flat when it's dull,
1479
00:40:43,808 --> 00:40:45,609
doesn't have a sheen on it.
1480
00:40:45,609 --> 00:40:47,812
And then you put that stain on there
1481
00:40:47,812 --> 00:40:49,380
or you put that first go to finish.
1482
00:40:49,380 --> 00:40:51,015
And every single imperfection
1483
00:40:51,015 --> 00:40:52,149
is going to show everyone
1484
00:40:55,486 --> 00:40:56,353
that the word
1485
00:40:56,353 --> 00:40:58,122
subjective is kind of tough.
1486
00:40:58,122 --> 00:40:59,089
Because I think
1487
00:40:59,089 --> 00:41:01,625
if you know how to say on the floor
1488
00:41:02,092 --> 00:41:02,860
and you've looked
1489
00:41:02,860 --> 00:41:03,327
at the sand
1490
00:41:03,327 --> 00:41:04,228
properly sanded
1491
00:41:04,228 --> 00:41:06,330
and stained and finished for
1492
00:41:06,330 --> 00:41:09,600
it's an easy thing to pick up.
1493
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,470
And I try not to be too critical, but
1494
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:13,637
if you're called out
1495
00:41:13,637 --> 00:41:15,139
and they're asking you, you're
1496
00:41:15,139 --> 00:41:18,709
you've got to give you've got to say
1497
00:41:18,709 --> 00:41:20,077
that kind of thing.
1498
00:41:20,077 --> 00:41:20,411
It
1499
00:41:21,278 --> 00:41:22,413
and I too
1500
00:41:22,413 --> 00:41:23,147
especially when we want
1501
00:41:23,147 --> 00:41:25,115
a wider plank floors
1502
00:41:25,115 --> 00:41:26,050
when I see sometimes
1503
00:41:26,050 --> 00:41:27,818
the butt joints are kind of rolled
1504
00:41:27,818 --> 00:41:28,719
where the guy went
1505
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,655
went straight on every pass and he didn't
1506
00:41:31,755 --> 00:41:32,423
you know, he didn't
1507
00:41:32,423 --> 00:41:33,190
go at an angle
1508
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:34,358
where you can see that
1509
00:41:34,358 --> 00:41:36,327
the butt joints are more pronounced or
1510
00:41:36,327 --> 00:41:36,727
you know what I mean?
1511
00:41:36,727 --> 00:41:36,961
They have a
1512
00:41:36,961 --> 00:41:37,761
like a role to them
1513
00:41:37,761 --> 00:41:40,030
or we need to see whether there's a dip
1514
00:41:40,464 --> 00:41:41,732
that you wouldn't see
1515
00:41:41,732 --> 00:41:42,833
until you get the stain
1516
00:41:42,833 --> 00:41:44,168
or finish on them.
1517
00:41:44,301 --> 00:41:48,339
I see that's quite common.
1518
00:41:48,339 --> 00:41:50,107
So I see that a lot
1519
00:41:50,107 --> 00:41:51,809
you dish out in waves.
1520
00:41:53,244 --> 00:41:53,711
You still
1521
00:41:53,711 --> 00:41:54,645
just out of curiosity,
1522
00:41:54,645 --> 00:41:56,013
how many guys are still running
1523
00:41:56,013 --> 00:41:58,349
drum centers in your area?
1524
00:41:58,516 --> 00:42:00,050
It's shocking.
1525
00:42:00,050 --> 00:42:01,185
It's shocking.
1526
00:42:01,185 --> 00:42:03,787
It's shocking how much
1527
00:42:03,888 --> 00:42:05,689
chatter you still see.
1528
00:42:05,689 --> 00:42:06,624
Yeah, yeah.
1529
00:42:06,624 --> 00:42:08,726
You still see those undulation marks?
1530
00:42:08,726 --> 00:42:11,228
Not as many as it was, say, 20 years ago,
1531
00:42:11,695 --> 00:42:13,130
because as the machines break down,
1532
00:42:13,130 --> 00:42:13,631
I go, look,
1533
00:42:13,631 --> 00:42:15,833
if I'm going to spend $3,000
1534
00:42:15,833 --> 00:42:17,001
to repair this one,
1535
00:42:17,001 --> 00:42:17,468
I'm going to put
1536
00:42:17,468 --> 00:42:19,603
that towards a belt sander.
1537
00:42:19,603 --> 00:42:20,170
So,
1538
00:42:21,005 --> 00:42:21,772
you know, General,
1539
00:42:21,772 --> 00:42:22,773
just to try to prevent
1540
00:42:22,773 --> 00:42:23,340
some of that stuff,
1541
00:42:23,340 --> 00:42:24,608
if the guys are still using this,
1542
00:42:24,608 --> 00:42:25,442
what we used to do
1543
00:42:25,442 --> 00:42:27,311
when we got when we started
1544
00:42:27,311 --> 00:42:28,479
in those days, eight
1545
00:42:28,479 --> 00:42:29,346
inch was a pretty wide
1546
00:42:29,346 --> 00:42:31,582
plank is for six and eight kind of stuff.
1547
00:42:31,582 --> 00:42:33,183
But that wide plank create a problem.
1548
00:42:33,183 --> 00:42:34,752
So what we did, if we saw a little bit
1549
00:42:34,752 --> 00:42:36,120
too much over wood,
1550
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,322
we would feather those edges down with a
1551
00:42:38,322 --> 00:42:39,089
with an edger
1552
00:42:40,190 --> 00:42:41,592
before we fired up the sander.
1553
00:42:41,592 --> 00:42:43,594
So you didn't have that that drop off.
1554
00:42:43,594 --> 00:42:44,261
You didn't have that
1555
00:42:44,261 --> 00:42:45,362
trying to climb over the top.
1556
00:42:45,362 --> 00:42:47,131
So we kind of smoothed those areas
1557
00:42:47,131 --> 00:42:49,300
before we started our first cut
1558
00:42:49,300 --> 00:42:50,167
metal trick.
1559
00:42:50,167 --> 00:42:52,303
And it did it and it made a difference.
1560
00:42:52,303 --> 00:42:53,671
Yeah, for sure.
1561
00:42:53,671 --> 00:42:54,972
And you're right, back in those days,
1562
00:42:54,972 --> 00:42:56,907
I mean, it was a wide man.
1563
00:42:56,907 --> 00:42:59,109
The force so. Huge. Was wide.
1564
00:42:59,677 --> 00:43:00,844
Like the width of a tree is like,
1565
00:43:00,844 --> 00:43:02,212
well, we're putting trees in today,
1566
00:43:02,212 --> 00:43:03,814
but not nowadays.
1567
00:43:03,814 --> 00:43:06,183
I mean, eight inches is a minute.
1568
00:43:06,850 --> 00:43:08,986
Well, we're we're asking
1569
00:43:10,387 --> 00:43:11,388
a lot out of our
1570
00:43:11,388 --> 00:43:12,456
our products today
1571
00:43:12,456 --> 00:43:13,724
than than we ever had before.
1572
00:43:13,724 --> 00:43:14,525
We're putting them down
1573
00:43:14,525 --> 00:43:16,727
faster in in where
1574
00:43:17,094 --> 00:43:18,729
we're going wider and wider.
1575
00:43:18,729 --> 00:43:19,930
And we're putting them in places
1576
00:43:19,930 --> 00:43:21,231
we wouldn't have put them in years
1577
00:43:21,231 --> 00:43:22,399
ago, years ago.
1578
00:43:22,399 --> 00:43:24,034
So we are putting a lot of demands
1579
00:43:24,034 --> 00:43:25,302
and sometimes we take for granted
1580
00:43:25,302 --> 00:43:26,904
what the capabilities of these products
1581
00:43:26,904 --> 00:43:27,738
will do.
1582
00:43:28,172 --> 00:43:29,340
Well, I think, as you know,
1583
00:43:29,340 --> 00:43:30,574
there's been a lot of advances
1584
00:43:30,574 --> 00:43:32,409
in technology, for sure. It has helped us
1585
00:43:33,410 --> 00:43:34,478
just out of curiosity, let
1586
00:43:34,478 --> 00:43:35,079
me ask you this.
1587
00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:36,780
I always like like ask the guy
1588
00:43:36,780 --> 00:43:38,148
who's been around for a long time,
1589
00:43:38,148 --> 00:43:38,816
do you think it's tougher
1590
00:43:38,816 --> 00:43:39,750
to do for us today
1591
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:45,122
or is tougher to do flaws 30 years ago.
1592
00:43:45,122 --> 00:43:45,789
The last flaw
1593
00:43:45,789 --> 00:43:47,291
I did was about six years ago,
1594
00:43:47,291 --> 00:43:48,225
and I was with my son.
1595
00:43:48,225 --> 00:43:49,259
And I'll be honest,
1596
00:43:49,259 --> 00:43:51,895
it's just it's easier today.
1597
00:43:51,895 --> 00:43:53,163
It's easier today.
1598
00:43:53,163 --> 00:43:58,469
We have we have better adhesives.
1599
00:43:58,469 --> 00:43:59,937
We're not trying to go over a one
1600
00:43:59,937 --> 00:44:03,340
by six stud per fork on a 45
1601
00:44:03,340 --> 00:44:07,378
degree angle.
1602
00:44:07,378 --> 00:44:09,246
The fasteners are better.
1603
00:44:09,246 --> 00:44:10,314
The sanding equipment
1604
00:44:10,314 --> 00:44:11,248
certainly is better.
1605
00:44:11,248 --> 00:44:12,850
The formulations of the stains
1606
00:44:12,850 --> 00:44:14,785
and the finishes today are better.
1607
00:44:14,785 --> 00:44:17,521
I mean, I, I've been you've all been
1608
00:44:17,521 --> 00:44:20,090
and to go from the oil industry
1609
00:44:20,090 --> 00:44:24,128
oil finish to this the water based
1610
00:44:24,128 --> 00:44:26,764
finishes, that was a little bit of a
1611
00:44:27,665 --> 00:44:28,599
a learning curve
1612
00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:29,767
and it was probably about it
1613
00:44:29,767 --> 00:44:31,235
to me was about a three year
1614
00:44:31,235 --> 00:44:32,369
learning curve.
1615
00:44:32,369 --> 00:44:34,505
And then to get the stains and everything
1616
00:44:34,505 --> 00:44:36,140
compounded all again.
1617
00:44:36,140 --> 00:44:37,174
But when I think about those
1618
00:44:37,174 --> 00:44:37,775
two different,
1619
00:44:37,775 --> 00:44:38,909
just those two different
1620
00:44:38,909 --> 00:44:40,144
parts of our industry,
1621
00:44:42,112 --> 00:44:43,914
the water based finishes
1622
00:44:43,914 --> 00:44:45,149
are so much better.
1623
00:44:45,149 --> 00:44:46,984
They're prettier, they're easier,
1624
00:44:46,984 --> 00:44:48,252
they're cleaner,
1625
00:44:48,252 --> 00:44:50,320
they're less harmful to us.
1626
00:44:50,688 --> 00:44:53,924
The stains are better,
1627
00:44:53,924 --> 00:44:55,125
the fasteners are better,
1628
00:44:55,125 --> 00:44:56,660
the compressors, the portable.
1629
00:44:56,660 --> 00:44:57,728
Sanders
1630
00:44:57,728 --> 00:44:59,229
Now we have battery operated
1631
00:44:59,229 --> 00:45:01,465
saws and chop saws and crazy
1632
00:45:01,465 --> 00:45:03,067
things that just make everything
1633
00:45:03,067 --> 00:45:04,535
so much easier.
1634
00:45:04,535 --> 00:45:06,870
I honestly think I am not one of those.
1635
00:45:07,471 --> 00:45:09,640
Oh, it's better in the old days,
1636
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,875
I believe today
1637
00:45:11,875 --> 00:45:14,178
the industry in a really good place
1638
00:45:14,178 --> 00:45:15,579
and the young guys coming in
1639
00:45:15,579 --> 00:45:17,948
are in a really good place.
1640
00:45:17,948 --> 00:45:19,516
I really agree with you.
1641
00:45:19,516 --> 00:45:21,552
With the milling and the way,
1642
00:45:21,552 --> 00:45:22,720
the open concept rooms
1643
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:23,554
where you can make time.
1644
00:45:23,554 --> 00:45:25,355
Now, they're not bordering every every
1645
00:45:25,355 --> 00:45:26,190
you know
1646
00:45:26,657 --> 00:45:27,291
you know,
1647
00:45:27,291 --> 00:45:27,758
you remember
1648
00:45:27,758 --> 00:45:28,325
in the old days,
1649
00:45:28,325 --> 00:45:29,660
if you worked in San Francisco,
1650
00:45:29,660 --> 00:45:30,327
you had a hallway
1651
00:45:30,327 --> 00:45:31,628
going 40 feet long,
1652
00:45:31,628 --> 00:45:33,797
but the wrong direction sideways,
1653
00:45:34,164 --> 00:45:35,099
all you had was an edge.
1654
00:45:35,099 --> 00:45:36,700
You're going to make that flat
1655
00:45:36,700 --> 00:45:39,203
and it's just gotten too little.
1656
00:45:39,603 --> 00:45:41,138
I think the
1657
00:45:41,138 --> 00:45:42,005
some of the challenges
1658
00:45:42,005 --> 00:45:42,773
we didn't have to face
1659
00:45:42,773 --> 00:45:43,774
that were social media,
1660
00:45:44,842 --> 00:45:45,442
you know, which
1661
00:45:45,442 --> 00:45:47,277
can, you know, can be challenging as well
1662
00:45:47,277 --> 00:45:47,578
for the
1663
00:45:47,578 --> 00:45:48,512
for the guys today, though,
1664
00:45:48,512 --> 00:45:49,613
I think for sure.
1665
00:45:49,613 --> 00:45:50,380
When you asked him
1666
00:45:50,380 --> 00:45:52,850
that question, my thought was,
1667
00:45:52,850 --> 00:45:53,450
I think
1668
00:45:53,450 --> 00:45:55,719
the equipment has made things easier,
1669
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,622
but the customers are tougher.
1670
00:45:58,689 --> 00:45:59,890
Well, you know,
1671
00:45:59,890 --> 00:46:00,591
as you were getting ready
1672
00:46:00,591 --> 00:46:01,759
to say that, Rob,
1673
00:46:01,759 --> 00:46:03,026
the one thing that I was going
1674
00:46:03,026 --> 00:46:04,561
to say about
1675
00:46:04,561 --> 00:46:04,995
the fact
1676
00:46:04,995 --> 00:46:06,063
that we have new equipment
1677
00:46:06,063 --> 00:46:08,098
that makes your job easier,
1678
00:46:08,098 --> 00:46:09,800
it doesn't change the science
1679
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,602
that we have to use
1680
00:46:11,602 --> 00:46:13,170
on a wider plank, because I,
1681
00:46:13,170 --> 00:46:15,339
I truly believe
1682
00:46:15,339 --> 00:46:17,708
if we continue on with the information
1683
00:46:17,708 --> 00:46:18,575
that we have,
1684
00:46:18,575 --> 00:46:20,577
whether it's a ten inch wide plank
1685
00:46:20,577 --> 00:46:23,247
and you still have occupancy ready
1686
00:46:23,247 --> 00:46:25,315
and we still take the same approach that
1687
00:46:25,916 --> 00:46:27,951
we're not we're not in a NASCAR race.
1688
00:46:27,951 --> 00:46:29,219
We're trying to put in a product
1689
00:46:29,219 --> 00:46:30,053
and get it in
1690
00:46:30,053 --> 00:46:32,956
and give it a 50, 60, 70 year life.
1691
00:46:33,323 --> 00:46:34,358
So if we take advantage
1692
00:46:34,358 --> 00:46:35,626
of all the new tools
1693
00:46:35,626 --> 00:46:36,894
and all the better
1694
00:46:36,894 --> 00:46:37,928
equipment that we have
1695
00:46:37,928 --> 00:46:39,963
and and and products
1696
00:46:40,497 --> 00:46:42,900
but still take the acclimation,
1697
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:44,368
the occupancy ready, proper
1698
00:46:44,368 --> 00:46:46,804
nailing schedule, proper sanding.
1699
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We can turn out a product that
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is just phenomenal. And.
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Yeah, I mean
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used to say, you
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know, this isn't a tabletop
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but man you can
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with the today's equipment
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you go back and look at flooring jobs
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you did 30 years ago
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that you thought were lights out
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and they were, hey,
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today you can produce a better floor.
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Without question. Without question.
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This is in the part
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one of two part episode.
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We're out with Carl Mattingly.
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So please stay tuned to next week.
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We're going to have part two.
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00:47:15,032 --> 00:47:16,066
There's been another episode
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00:47:16,066 --> 00:47:17,868
of On the Floor with Wayne and Rob
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and Carl Mattingly.
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Please stay tuned for another episode.