On The Floor with Wayne and Rob

Introduction to Electric Heated Floors with Guest Sergey Sergey Shlyapintokh

Episode Summary

Wayne and Rob discuss electric heated floors and how Bona adhesives come into play during installation. Guest speaker Sergey Sergey Shlyapintokh with Thermosoft. Follow Bona US Professional online: Website: https://www1.bona.com/en-us/professional/ Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/BonaProfessional Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bonauspro/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bonapro.us/

Episode Transcription

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Hello and welcome to another

 

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episode of On the Floor

 

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with Wayne and Rob.

 

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I'm Wayne Highlander, National Sales

 

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Manager for Bona Adhesive..

 

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And I'm Rob Johnson from Bona Training.

 

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How are we doing, Rob?

 

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Pretty good, buddy.

 

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How you doing today?

 

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I'm doing good.

 

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And that's

 

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surprised

 

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it took us this long to do an episode

 

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like this,

 

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because I think this is important

 

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and there's been some changes

 

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in the industry and stuff

 

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and we have a special guest with us today

 

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that I'll get to later.

 

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But we're going to talk about

 

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radiant heat today, Rob.

 

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Oh,

 

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and hold me back.

 

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Yeah. Yes, sir.

 

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It's not often

 

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we get to have an expert in the in the

 

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in the industry about this.

 

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But this radiant heat system.

 

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So what I'd like for

 

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for for our

 

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just our contractors

 

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listeners to think about first is

 

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do you offer radiant heat

 

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right now to your customers?

 

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And I think I think most consumers

 

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have no idea

 

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about this electric, radiant heat there.

 

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We'll talk about the two differences

 

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in radiant heat,

 

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but they have no idea how to do it.

 

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I know, Rob,

 

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you got a lot of questions about it.

 

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And I was

 

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one skeptical, too,

 

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until I talked to probably two.

 

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I mean, it's

 

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just an absolute industry expert,

 

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Ron Oliver on this.

 

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And I talked to Serge.

 

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Serge

 

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and Serge brother and

 

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and he put my mind at ease.

 

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And then I became

 

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and the more I learned about it,

 

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the more

 

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I educated myself about it, the, the

 

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my comfort level went way up.

 

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And I think

 

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this is a pretty cool product.

 

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And a lot of people think, oh, we heat,

 

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we don't do a lot of radiant heat.

 

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It know is radiant heat new

 

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and what have you

 

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and and actually the rub the first

 

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radiant heat goes back

 

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as far as the Roman days.

 

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The wealthiest citizens, citizens,

 

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they had walls and floors

 

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that were buttressed by

 

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metal chambers called Hypercars.

 

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I think I'm pronouncing that right.

 

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Well, they were

 

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what they were

 

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were fires at around the building

 

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that fed heat into these hypercars,

 

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which in turn had heated the interior

 

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spaces of the home.

 

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Back in the Roman days,

 

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this was the

 

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forerunner of the present day

 

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radiant heat systems.

 

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And then from the air.

 

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And actually, by the way,

 

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that's not the only way

 

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that Romans heated their there there

 

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themselves and kept themselves warm.

 

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Ancient Romans four had several methods,

 

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including central heating.

 

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They had the earliest forms

 

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of central heating

 

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space heaters, hot toddies.

 

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They knew alcohol back then,

 

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and actually a simple strategy

 

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which is moving more towards the sun.

 

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Then in 1907,

 

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a guy named Barker

 

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came up with radiant heat panels.

 

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And then, by the way,

 

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and in the United States,

 

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probably people heard of Franklin

 

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Lloyd Wright, who was a distinguished

 

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architect,

 

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who I actually had the pleasure

 

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of working on two of his homes.

 

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Yeah, they were all right.

 

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I know a lot of people think Bob

 

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Vila invented radiant heat,

 

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but I'm here to tell you that, no,

 

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he was not the guy who did it.

 

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It seemed every time I watch his shows,

 

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I see him fooling around with it.

 

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We have Serge today with a warm sap,

 

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thermal soft. And please

 

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introduce yourself.

 

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I'm not going to try

 

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to pronounce your last name, butcher it.

 

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But what you do is

 

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give us an introduction of yourself.

 

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Well, again, I'm Serge with a warm

 

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up thermos of been in radiant heat

 

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space or

 

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electric heating space

 

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now with thermal soft

 

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for about a decade and a half

 

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or a little bit over that.

 

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Now that I've been here,

 

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now that I think about it,

 

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there's it's

 

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a very misunderstood product in in

 

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and which gives it a lot of challenges

 

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and a lot of interesting directions

 

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to go on.

 

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And I've had the pleasure to be with

 

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a company that manufactures

 

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the product in the States.

 

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So I've seen it from start

 

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to finish

 

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of where it begins,

 

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what goes into testing it,

 

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getting it approved, getting it started,

 

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been on all those parts and

 

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at least with me, I've been

 

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working with the WFA

 

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now for quite a while

 

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to bring this to a space that really does

 

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not either pay attention to it

 

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or capitalize on it

 

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nearly as much as tile

 

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has in the last ten years.

 

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Of those of us that are in it,

 

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they've seen that tile electric and tile

 

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floor heating has been added

 

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quite a bit to projects

 

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and it's now

 

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kind of a standard to be offered

 

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when somebody is doing a bathroom.

 

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Remarkable,

 

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even if a customer doesn't take it.

 

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But the wood space

 

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has completely ignored it.

 

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It's I'm afraid of it.

 

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I don't want to touch it.

 

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I don't want to do it.

 

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And

 

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that's where I'm trying to

 

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push that room, get

 

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get that change a little bit.

 

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So that's my current project.

 

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The main thing that's a driver for me

 

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though.

 

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If I was to put one thing on,

 

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what I want to make sure

 

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is that any project that is done

 

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within a radiant heating system,

 

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whether it'd be electric, hydraulic,

 

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whatever the case may be,

 

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it's done

 

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with the success of the installer

 

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in mind,

 

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meaning that

 

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the installer that puts it in

 

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one you're talking about radiant

 

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doing your homework ahead of time

 

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pays dividends at the end

 

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more so than anything else

 

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that you can think of.

 

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And that goes in

 

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both the amount of time

 

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you spend putting it in

 

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because you can save yourself

 

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a lot of time

 

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as well as saving yourself headaches

 

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from problems.

 

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And all of that

 

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involves asking questions.

 

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Well,

 

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I think the individual

 

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is kind

 

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of helping your cause now

 

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because like in the last few years,

 

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they've changed the guidelines.

 

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I don't know if people know

 

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that actually made it easier.

 

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I think

 

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I think there's a lot

 

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of different systems out there.

 

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I think you guys have more than 108

 

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or eight or nine of them.

 

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I would think different systems out

 

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there, if I'm not mistaken.

 

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And I

 

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know recently a committee

 

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was put together to kind of form a panel.

 

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It's kind of,

 

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you know, just make this easier for

 

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for the

 

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the contractor to understand

 

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and to come up with standards for this.

 

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And you guys are at the forefront

 

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for this.

 

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So you are part of that that is right.

 

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Well, hold on a minute

 

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before we get going here.

 

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That was quite an opening

 

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you did there way.

 

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Yeah.

 

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You got a lot of knowledge there

 

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about Roman Empire and its laws.

 

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Way back when did you

 

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did you know this off

 

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the top of your head

 

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or do you do some preparation

 

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and studying things like that?

 

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No, no.

 

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See, I paid

 

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attention in high school, Rob. Huh? Yeah.

 

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You didn't think that?

 

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Hey, you know what?

 

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Maybe I'll send this over to Rob,

 

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you know, maybe.

 

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Oh, I'll let him in on this, too.

 

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Oh, no, he doesn't look like an idiot.

 

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Just sitting there going, Oh, yeah, yeah,

 

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yeah. Huh, uh huh.

 

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I guess

 

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you never told me

 

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that we were going to do,

 

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you know, the

 

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the history of it

 

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you just said,

 

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yeah, we're going to have the Cerrejon,

 

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so I'm going to make

 

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you look like an idiot,

 

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and I'm going to learn all of this stuff.

 

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Hmm.

 

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So is that what's is that

 

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what's going on here?

 

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So you wanted me to do your homework, to.

 

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Know all I had to do was say, hey,

 

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take a look at this.

 

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You know, I do that for you.

 

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Where were these times, huh?

 

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Okay. All right. Do I do that for you?

 

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Sorry, sir. You have to see this.

 

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Usually we do this in house or behind.

 

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Behind the scene.

 

267

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Oh, no, no. I couldn't wait. Sorry, sir.

 

268

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I really couldn't tell if I listen

 

269

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to all the previous podcasts and I

 

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and I've listened to a few of them,

 

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and then

 

272

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I did a little bit of my homework

 

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about this dynamic and.

 

274

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All right. So you're not surprise.

 

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Surprise them.

 

276

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So I'm just going to give Wayne a

 

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thank you, Bill.

 

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You're welcome.

 

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We're not done yet, Rob.

 

280

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Serge, why don't you do let's start

 

281

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with this first and break this down.

 

282

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A lot of people think that.

 

283

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Okay, well, how I understand using

 

284

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using water for electric

 

285

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or excuse me for radiant heat,

 

286

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but how does

 

287

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how does radiant heat

 

288

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with electricity, with hardwood floors?

 

289

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I mean, you got a

 

290

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you know, you're hooked up to a system.

 

291

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You got to a turn it on, turn it off,

 

292

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and maybe you can explain how that works

 

293

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with your system.

 

294

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Well, in just to simplify it,

 

295

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it becomes the different heat source.

 

296

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So when you're talking about water,

 

297

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the water, the hot water is what provides

 

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that warmth to that inflow system.

 

299

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But the water is heated somewhere else.

 

300

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It's in the boiler, it's hydrothermal,

 

301

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you know,

 

302

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it's a bunch of different options

 

303

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that I'm sorry, geothermal,

 

304

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it's a bunch of different sources

 

305

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to heat the water with electric.

 

306

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It's all self-contained

 

307

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because all you have to do

 

308

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is provide power to the heating element

 

309

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that is directly under the flooring

 

310

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and that system heats up.

 

311

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It's really quite simple.

 

312

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What makes the difficult aspect of

 

313

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it is the type of system that you use

 

314

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and the type of application

 

315

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that you're using.

 

316

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Traditionally with an electric system,

 

317

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you have different voltages

 

318

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that need to be considered.

 

319

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You have different installation

 

320

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methods that need to be considered,

 

321

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and certain systems will require you for

 

322

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if you know, if we're talking

 

323

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with a wood

 

324

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flooring as an example,

 

325

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they're required to embed that system

 

326

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in a layer of cement

 

327

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before you can do anything else with it.

 

328

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Now, that's a requirement

 

329

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for the heating element to have that.

 

330

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We have a tile

 

331

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system that

 

332

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can go under wood floors as well.

 

333

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We don't recommend it for wood floors,

 

334

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but we have it.

 

335

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And if we compare the tile system

 

336

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to our warm stuff system, for example,

 

337

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same result which you have a warm floor

 

338

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that is at 80 degrees

 

339

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as controlled by a thermostat

 

340

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on the wall.

 

341

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Regardless of what you're doing,

 

342

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floor is capped at 80 degrees

 

343

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because that's the thermostat.

 

344

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That's on the wall there.

 

345

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One will require you

 

346

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to put a system down,

 

347

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then completely

 

348

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encase it in a self leveler

 

349

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with at least three

 

350

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eights over the top of the system

 

351

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of self leveler.

 

352

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Wait for that self level to dry your.

 

353

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Make sure that it's good.

 

354

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Do a test

 

355

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to make sure you can glue to it.

 

356

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If you're going to do a blue down floor,

 

357

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you can't do a nail down for that

 

358

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because you can't nail through that that

 

359

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thickness of a soft leveler.

 

360

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Nor can you see the heating element.

 

361

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So you're going to hit

 

362

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that heating element

 

363

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and then you're coming in

 

364

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and installing your floor,

 

365

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whether it be floating

 

366

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or complete Bluetooth

 

367

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or you have the other option

 

368

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of the system

 

369

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of where you do your subfloor properly

 

370

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like you normally will lay out a mat

 

371

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and put your floor on top.

 

372

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If you're doing a ground floor,

 

373

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you put a layer of glue mat

 

374

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and another layer of glue.

 

375

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We know, we know the quantum works

 

376

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fantastic with that.

 

377

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And

 

378

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you do it

 

379

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wet to wet,

 

380

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which is different

 

381

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than any type of an underlayment

 

382

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pad with this.

 

383

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So you're installing the flooring

 

384

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and the heating system the same day.

 

385

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Okay.

 

386

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That's a lot to unpack there.

 

387

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Let me first start with this.

 

388

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I think if you're going to

 

389

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if you're going to do this system,

 

390

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which I've yeah,

 

391

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you sent it to me a long time ago.

 

392

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We tested it.

 

393

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I loved you know,

 

394

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that was pretty, pretty cool.

 

395

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That's why you're on here.

 

396

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I think when you're going to do

 

397

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any kind of radiant heat for it,

 

398

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there needs to be that conversation up

 

399

00:11:31,924 --> 00:11:33,392

front expectations.

 

400

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We always talk about expectation

 

401

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and I would bring in the

 

402

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the the electrician

 

403

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into this conversation.

 

404

00:11:37,697 --> 00:11:38,431

By the way,

 

405

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you don't want to look this up

 

406

00:11:39,331 --> 00:11:40,399

yourself, right?

 

407

00:11:40,399 --> 00:11:42,034

You want to get dinner? Yep.

 

408

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We're not we're not electricians.

 

409

00:11:43,736 --> 00:11:45,071

So get them involved

 

410

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in radiant heat itself.

 

411

00:11:47,206 --> 00:11:47,840

What kind of Florida

 

412

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I put down on radiant heat?

 

413

00:11:49,175 --> 00:11:50,042

Is this a type of floor

 

414

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that I want to put a

 

415

00:11:51,077 --> 00:11:52,978

a wide plank select floor on?

 

416

00:11:52,978 --> 00:11:53,779

No.

 

417

00:11:53,879 --> 00:11:54,180

You know,

 

418

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and you also want to

 

419

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look at what species you might use.

 

420

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So those things, these conversations

 

421

00:11:58,984 --> 00:12:00,686

all have to happen up front.

 

422

00:12:00,686 --> 00:12:02,321

But what I love about this,

 

423

00:12:02,321 --> 00:12:03,789

and we talk about a lot on our show

 

424

00:12:03,789 --> 00:12:06,726

is the upsell factor that this is.

 

425

00:12:07,026 --> 00:12:07,927

You know, we're always talked

 

426

00:12:07,927 --> 00:12:08,961

about the first guys

 

427

00:12:08,961 --> 00:12:09,695

that do that

 

428

00:12:09,695 --> 00:12:12,064

got into wire brushing and whatever.

 

429

00:12:12,364 --> 00:12:13,532

I mean, this is a tried

 

430

00:12:13,532 --> 00:12:14,266

and true root system.

 

431

00:12:14,266 --> 00:12:16,669

You got all kinds of jobs done with this.

 

432

00:12:16,669 --> 00:12:18,137

Now, that works fantastic,

 

433

00:12:18,137 --> 00:12:20,806

but it allows the guys to really

 

434

00:12:22,241 --> 00:12:24,477

one thing about the customer

 

435

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is comfort there

 

436

00:12:25,411 --> 00:12:25,711

and that

 

437

00:12:25,711 --> 00:12:27,146

that's that's that's an investment

 

438

00:12:27,146 --> 00:12:28,681

in their comfort right.

 

439

00:12:28,681 --> 00:12:30,182

It's an upsell to the homeowner

 

440

00:12:30,182 --> 00:12:31,150

and radiant heat

 

441

00:12:31,150 --> 00:12:32,051

is a beautiful heat

 

442

00:12:32,051 --> 00:12:34,086

to walk on anyone's ever done that.

 

443

00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:35,187

And so

 

444

00:12:35,354 --> 00:12:37,289

there is really some opportunity

 

445

00:12:37,289 --> 00:12:38,157

for the contractors.

 

446

00:12:38,157 --> 00:12:39,825

And when they talk

 

447

00:12:39,825 --> 00:12:41,093

when you talk about the glue down, here's

 

448

00:12:41,093 --> 00:12:42,061

what got me on the glue down,

 

449

00:12:42,061 --> 00:12:42,928

what I liked about it.

 

450

00:12:42,928 --> 00:12:43,829

And you can shut me up.

 

451

00:12:43,829 --> 00:12:46,499

I, you know, I rub those, I talk a lot.

 

452

00:12:47,032 --> 00:12:49,268

But what I like about it is

 

453

00:12:49,635 --> 00:12:51,937

you can do like you said, you go, you

 

454

00:12:52,705 --> 00:12:53,839

put the adhesive down,

 

455

00:12:53,839 --> 00:12:55,341

lay the Matney adhesive,

 

456

00:12:55,341 --> 00:12:56,342

but you don't have to wait

 

457

00:12:56,342 --> 00:12:57,009

for that adhesive.

 

458

00:12:57,009 --> 00:12:58,010

The dry with our adhesive

 

459

00:12:58,010 --> 00:12:59,111

you can start now

 

460

00:12:59,111 --> 00:13:00,713

lay adhesive right over

 

461

00:13:00,713 --> 00:13:01,247

top of the man

 

462

00:13:01,247 --> 00:13:03,015

started laying your floor right?

 

463

00:13:03,015 --> 00:13:04,650

Uh huh, exactly, exactly.

 

464

00:13:04,650 --> 00:13:05,851

Yeah. Yeah.

 

465

00:13:05,851 --> 00:13:07,553

So where I was going

 

466

00:13:07,553 --> 00:13:07,920

with the

 

467

00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:09,421

two different installation options

 

468

00:13:09,421 --> 00:13:12,224

is that particular roll of that up.

 

469

00:13:12,224 --> 00:13:13,225

So that's exactly

 

470

00:13:13,225 --> 00:13:14,727

where I was going with that. Okay.

 

471

00:13:14,727 --> 00:13:16,262

If you take a project

 

472

00:13:16,262 --> 00:13:17,797

where you've got to do

 

473

00:13:17,797 --> 00:13:18,697

the equivalent

 

474

00:13:18,697 --> 00:13:20,766

of laying down a pile system

 

475

00:13:21,367 --> 00:13:23,402

before you come in to do the wood

 

476

00:13:23,402 --> 00:13:24,370

you've got a customer

 

477

00:13:24,370 --> 00:13:27,373

that now has paid for a tile installation

 

478

00:13:27,807 --> 00:13:29,809

and a wood installation without the tile.

 

479

00:13:30,309 --> 00:13:31,410

Mm hmm.

 

480

00:13:31,410 --> 00:13:34,013

You added a half an inch total space

 

481

00:13:34,013 --> 00:13:35,714

to your floor, right.

 

482

00:13:35,714 --> 00:13:36,749

We know how much customers

 

483

00:13:36,749 --> 00:13:37,583

love transitions

 

484

00:13:38,751 --> 00:13:40,519

when you have a system

 

485

00:13:40,519 --> 00:13:41,921

that's designed for tile

 

486

00:13:41,921 --> 00:13:44,089

that has a lot more power output

 

487

00:13:44,089 --> 00:13:46,926

and it's not tailored to wood.

 

488

00:13:46,926 --> 00:13:49,295

So now when you go into and potentially

 

489

00:13:49,295 --> 00:13:50,629

have a failure,

 

490

00:13:50,963 --> 00:13:52,031

you know, you take warned

 

491

00:13:52,031 --> 00:13:52,832

that episode example.

 

492

00:13:52,832 --> 00:13:55,734

It's got an inherent

 

493

00:13:55,901 --> 00:13:57,970

customization to the flooring,

 

494

00:13:58,637 --> 00:14:00,472

meaning that even if a customer goes in

 

495

00:14:00,472 --> 00:14:01,173

and cranks

 

496

00:14:01,173 --> 00:14:02,174

that thermostat all the way

 

497

00:14:02,174 --> 00:14:03,742

up, it's

 

498

00:14:03,742 --> 00:14:04,343

not going to go

 

499

00:14:04,343 --> 00:14:05,444

more than 15 degrees

 

500

00:14:05,444 --> 00:14:07,379

above the room temperature.

 

501

00:14:07,646 --> 00:14:09,148

So you're protecting the floor

 

502

00:14:09,148 --> 00:14:11,250

even before it gets to that.

 

503

00:14:12,251 --> 00:14:15,020

You know, to that failed point

 

504

00:14:15,020 --> 00:14:16,388

where you take a tile system

 

505

00:14:16,388 --> 00:14:18,457

and it's rated for a lot more power,

 

506

00:14:18,457 --> 00:14:20,526

sometimes double than what warm stuff as

 

507

00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:25,631

it can get to that 104 degrees.

 

508

00:14:25,631 --> 00:14:28,667

So so the point being that is

 

509

00:14:29,068 --> 00:14:30,603

if you're doing that installation

 

510

00:14:30,603 --> 00:14:31,270

you have that

 

511

00:14:31,270 --> 00:14:32,972

a lot of

 

512

00:14:32,972 --> 00:14:35,074

you go present that to the customer

 

513

00:14:35,074 --> 00:14:35,941

and you tell the customer,

 

514

00:14:35,941 --> 00:14:37,142

I got to charge you for this,

 

515

00:14:37,142 --> 00:14:38,010

this, this, this, this.

 

516

00:14:38,010 --> 00:14:39,111

By the time you're done,

 

517

00:14:39,111 --> 00:14:39,778

we do first

 

518

00:14:39,778 --> 00:14:41,947

we do a two days worth of work,

 

519

00:14:41,981 --> 00:14:43,515

get all that leveled out,

 

520

00:14:43,515 --> 00:14:45,150

and then we'll come back in

 

521

00:14:45,150 --> 00:14:47,186

six, ten, 12, 30 days.

 

522

00:14:48,354 --> 00:14:49,021

Customers don't

 

523

00:14:49,021 --> 00:14:51,223

necessarily want to do those jobs,

 

524

00:14:51,223 --> 00:14:53,492

especially on a remodel

 

525

00:14:53,492 --> 00:14:54,593

with an electric system

 

526

00:14:54,593 --> 00:14:56,295

that you can come in and get it done

 

527

00:14:56,295 --> 00:14:57,563

same day.

 

528

00:14:57,563 --> 00:14:59,565

A It's a it's a massive savings

 

529

00:14:59,565 --> 00:15:00,699

to the customer, half,

 

530

00:15:00,699 --> 00:15:03,869

if not more, you know, apples to apples.

 

531

00:15:04,403 --> 00:15:06,038

But you can get that project in and out

 

532

00:15:06,038 --> 00:15:06,772

and done.

 

533

00:15:06,772 --> 00:15:08,507

You move on to the next thing

 

534

00:15:08,507 --> 00:15:09,408

and the customer gets

 

535

00:15:09,408 --> 00:15:10,276

that heated floor

 

536

00:15:10,276 --> 00:15:11,577

as they need it

 

537

00:15:11,577 --> 00:15:13,646

right there, as they want it right there.

 

538

00:15:15,481 --> 00:15:17,883

So you had mentioned the word hydroponic.

 

539

00:15:17,883 --> 00:15:20,619

I'm assuming hydroponic is

 

540

00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:22,988

the water systems

 

541

00:15:22,988 --> 00:15:26,191

or hot water, the circulators. Correct.

 

542

00:15:26,525 --> 00:15:27,159

So it seems like

 

543

00:15:27,159 --> 00:15:29,128

there's a lot of moving parts to a system

 

544

00:15:29,128 --> 00:15:29,962

like that.

 

545

00:15:30,362 --> 00:15:31,363

Well, it's

 

546

00:15:31,363 --> 00:15:33,132

it's not so much moving parts

 

547

00:15:33,132 --> 00:15:34,833

as a lot of moving water.

 

548

00:15:34,833 --> 00:15:36,435

The systems themselves

 

549

00:15:36,435 --> 00:15:37,336

genuinely

 

550

00:15:37,336 --> 00:15:39,438

are engineered to last a very long time.

 

551

00:15:39,438 --> 00:15:41,073

So I'm not worried about failure points

 

552

00:15:41,073 --> 00:15:42,841

in hydraulics,

 

553

00:15:42,841 --> 00:15:43,876

the difference between

 

554

00:15:43,876 --> 00:15:45,177

a lot of electric systems

 

555

00:15:45,177 --> 00:15:46,345

and hydraulic systems

 

556

00:15:46,345 --> 00:15:48,280

that if somebody comes in on the bottom

 

557

00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:49,048

and drills

 

558

00:15:49,048 --> 00:15:49,415

a hole

 

559

00:15:49,415 --> 00:15:50,349

and manages to

 

560

00:15:50,349 --> 00:15:53,218

get had a pipe, you've got flooding

 

561

00:15:53,919 --> 00:15:55,754

with an electric system, you have a map

 

562

00:15:55,754 --> 00:15:57,423

that's no longer working.

 

563

00:15:57,423 --> 00:15:59,091

You know anything about that, Rob?

 

564

00:15:59,091 --> 00:16:00,693

Yeah, actually I do.

 

565

00:16:00,693 --> 00:16:02,261

Wayne told me about this,

 

566

00:16:03,362 --> 00:16:04,163

that you were coming

 

567

00:16:04,163 --> 00:16:05,097

on the show and I said,

 

568

00:16:05,097 --> 00:16:06,465

Oh yeah, it did floors.

 

569

00:16:06,465 --> 00:16:09,768

And we did one,

 

570

00:16:09,768 --> 00:16:10,536

we did one.

 

571

00:16:10,536 --> 00:16:13,005

The system one time and that was it.

 

572

00:16:13,405 --> 00:16:15,140

I use the right size nails in the gun

 

573

00:16:15,140 --> 00:16:17,743

so we didn't go through and

 

574

00:16:17,743 --> 00:16:19,411

hit any pipes or anything like that.

 

575

00:16:19,411 --> 00:16:20,479

Everything was great.

 

576

00:16:20,479 --> 00:16:22,481

We were all happy.

 

577

00:16:22,481 --> 00:16:24,016

We used inch and a half cleats

 

578

00:16:24,016 --> 00:16:26,485

and then I never changed out

 

579

00:16:27,219 --> 00:16:29,655

my two and a half inch finished nails

 

580

00:16:29,655 --> 00:16:31,757

and my finished nailer.

 

581

00:16:31,757 --> 00:16:33,359

And as we were doing

 

582

00:16:33,359 --> 00:16:35,394

the starter and finish Rose,

 

583

00:16:35,861 --> 00:16:37,229

we nicked a couple of pipes

 

584

00:16:37,229 --> 00:16:38,831

and it was a disaster.

 

585

00:16:38,831 --> 00:16:39,398

And that's

 

586

00:16:39,398 --> 00:16:41,300

when I told my partner, Pete, Well,

 

587

00:16:41,300 --> 00:16:42,868

we're never doing

 

588

00:16:42,968 --> 00:16:44,370

we're never doing a radiant heat

 

589

00:16:44,370 --> 00:16:46,205

floor again, ever. And we never did

 

590

00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:48,374

once.

 

591

00:16:48,374 --> 00:16:49,508

That's a common thing.

 

592

00:16:49,508 --> 00:16:51,543

That's a common thing. Oh, yeah.

 

593

00:16:51,677 --> 00:16:54,613

I was so proud of myself that I it

 

594

00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:55,981

oh, inch and a half nails.

 

595

00:16:55,981 --> 00:16:58,417

We got it set and never,

 

596

00:16:59,184 --> 00:17:01,553

never occurred to me what the finish like

 

597

00:17:01,553 --> 00:17:03,122

it did and boy

 

598

00:17:03,122 --> 00:17:05,491

what the finish nail did to that

 

599

00:17:05,491 --> 00:17:07,726

system was, was pretty rough.

 

600

00:17:08,961 --> 00:17:10,863

What's one thing I liked about the Met

 

601

00:17:10,863 --> 00:17:11,797

when you sent me out?

 

602

00:17:11,797 --> 00:17:14,700

The Mats surge is a

 

603

00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:15,401

I think

 

604

00:17:16,068 --> 00:17:18,103

it's like every three is the wires

 

605

00:17:18,137 --> 00:17:19,171

go through the mat

 

606

00:17:19,171 --> 00:17:20,472

and for a nail go assist.

 

607

00:17:20,472 --> 00:17:22,541

They're very obvious to see. Yeah.

 

608

00:17:22,574 --> 00:17:24,476

You don't have to worry about. Oh, gosh.

 

609

00:17:24,476 --> 00:17:25,544

I mean, you got within three

 

610

00:17:25,544 --> 00:17:27,513

you got a three inch area which to nail

 

611

00:17:27,513 --> 00:17:29,381

and if you don't, they'll go assist.

 

612

00:17:29,381 --> 00:17:32,151

Also. And I really liked it, man.

 

613

00:17:32,151 --> 00:17:34,319

And I, you know, it really

 

614

00:17:34,319 --> 00:17:37,423

was an eye opener to me how really easy

 

615

00:17:37,423 --> 00:17:38,023

the system is

 

616

00:17:38,023 --> 00:17:38,757

and how fast you can

 

617

00:17:38,757 --> 00:17:40,893

move forward with it. So

 

618

00:17:41,894 --> 00:17:44,129

we try to we try to get across that.

 

619

00:17:44,129 --> 00:17:46,231

It's different, not difficult.

 

620

00:17:46,565 --> 00:17:47,433

Yeah, yeah.

 

621

00:17:47,433 --> 00:17:49,001

But you have to open your mind

 

622

00:17:49,001 --> 00:17:51,437

to offer it. Yeah.

 

623

00:17:51,437 --> 00:17:52,471

And I think you're right.

 

624

00:17:52,471 --> 00:17:53,372

I think you can't be afraid

 

625

00:17:53,372 --> 00:17:54,406

of this type of installation.

 

626

00:17:54,406 --> 00:17:55,641

There's a lot of knowledge out there.

 

627

00:17:55,641 --> 00:17:56,842

And one thing I'd say,

 

628

00:17:56,842 --> 00:17:57,709

if you're if you are

 

629

00:17:57,709 --> 00:18:01,080

have any, you know, reservation

 

630

00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,115

about doing it, you're very accessible.

 

631

00:18:03,115 --> 00:18:04,850

You have a you know,

 

632

00:18:04,850 --> 00:18:06,852

you know, very easy to get a hold of.

 

633

00:18:06,852 --> 00:18:08,954

It's a super system to work with.

 

634

00:18:08,954 --> 00:18:09,421

But

 

635

00:18:10,389 --> 00:18:11,623

one thing we want to talk about

 

636

00:18:11,623 --> 00:18:12,458

with radiant heat,

 

637

00:18:12,458 --> 00:18:13,492

with any kind of heat,

 

638

00:18:13,492 --> 00:18:14,359

you really want to make sure

 

639

00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:15,461

you're acclimating that wood

 

640

00:18:15,461 --> 00:18:16,829

and getting that wood down.

 

641

00:18:16,829 --> 00:18:18,931

And I think that sometimes we like

 

642

00:18:18,931 --> 00:18:20,599

we used to rack out the floors

 

643

00:18:20,599 --> 00:18:21,800

and let them sit.

 

644

00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,135

You'll get that subfloor down

 

645

00:18:23,135 --> 00:18:23,969

as low as we can get

 

646

00:18:23,969 --> 00:18:25,104

and you know, our wood down

 

647

00:18:25,104 --> 00:18:26,271

before we even do the install.

 

648

00:18:27,473 --> 00:18:30,142

But they are absolutely key

 

649

00:18:30,142 --> 00:18:31,710

if you get a radiant heat for

 

650

00:18:31,710 --> 00:18:32,611

system down.

 

651

00:18:32,611 --> 00:18:34,012

I mean you don't get a lot of movement

 

652

00:18:34,012 --> 00:18:35,247

if you if you you know,

 

653

00:18:35,247 --> 00:18:36,081

we used to go roofing

 

654

00:18:36,081 --> 00:18:37,583

corded all the time.

 

655

00:18:37,583 --> 00:18:37,749

You know,

 

656

00:18:37,749 --> 00:18:38,450

you want to stay away

 

657

00:18:38,450 --> 00:18:39,551

with certain certain species.

 

658

00:18:39,551 --> 00:18:40,652

I would not do

 

659

00:18:40,652 --> 00:18:41,620

I wouldn't do

 

660

00:18:41,687 --> 00:18:43,021

akumu or I certainly wouldn't

 

661

00:18:43,021 --> 00:18:44,590

do like a hickory type of floor.

 

662

00:18:44,590 --> 00:18:45,891

But if they were great.

 

663

00:18:45,891 --> 00:18:49,595

Yeah, you know, you want to play safe.

 

664

00:18:50,596 --> 00:18:52,764

I do a refuge corded all day long.

 

665

00:18:52,764 --> 00:18:54,900

I think maybe we did.

 

666

00:18:54,900 --> 00:18:55,968

We talked to customers

 

667

00:18:55,968 --> 00:18:58,403

out of wide, wide plank floors, but

 

668

00:18:58,971 --> 00:19:00,572

we would be comfortable

 

669

00:19:00,572 --> 00:19:02,241

with thinner floors.

 

670

00:19:02,241 --> 00:19:03,575

And with that being said,

 

671

00:19:03,575 --> 00:19:04,776

I've got seven

 

672

00:19:04,776 --> 00:19:06,778

and a half inch wide engineered on mine.

 

673

00:19:06,778 --> 00:19:08,580

Do you really. At my house?

 

674

00:19:08,580 --> 00:19:11,783

Yeah. Okay. Okay.

 

675

00:19:11,783 --> 00:19:12,451

So what are

 

676

00:19:12,451 --> 00:19:14,720

what are some of your other woods sets

 

677

00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,722

that you're going to stay away from?

 

678

00:19:16,722 --> 00:19:18,824

Well, the the staying way

 

679

00:19:19,324 --> 00:19:19,992

the end of the Buffet

 

680

00:19:19,992 --> 00:19:22,394

guidelines has an entire chart

 

681

00:19:22,528 --> 00:19:23,695

in a new 20 page,

 

682

00:19:23,695 --> 00:19:25,297

radiant heat section of it,

 

683

00:19:25,297 --> 00:19:27,766

of which woods to stay away from.

 

684

00:19:27,766 --> 00:19:28,934

So I'm not going to go

 

685

00:19:28,934 --> 00:19:30,068

listing all the woods in there

 

686

00:19:30,068 --> 00:19:32,070

because they have faded a fantastic job

 

687

00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:33,372

in the new guidelines.

 

688

00:19:33,372 --> 00:19:35,340

And I think that everybody who does wood

 

689

00:19:35,340 --> 00:19:39,578

should go in there and review that.

 

690

00:19:39,578 --> 00:19:41,680

But the the aspect

 

691

00:19:42,748 --> 00:19:43,148

radiant

 

692

00:19:43,148 --> 00:19:46,285

heat when used properly

 

693

00:19:46,385 --> 00:19:49,288

helps you mitigate the vapor

 

694

00:19:49,288 --> 00:19:50,789

transmission and the absorption of vapor

 

695

00:19:50,789 --> 00:19:52,491

because you eliminate one more variable.

 

696

00:19:52,491 --> 00:19:54,593

And as we all know, humidity

 

697

00:19:55,093 --> 00:19:57,496

or the moisture content of the floor

 

698

00:19:57,496 --> 00:19:59,598

is dependent on both

 

699

00:19:59,598 --> 00:20:00,532

the temperature of the floor

 

700

00:20:00,532 --> 00:20:01,500

and the amount

 

701

00:20:01,500 --> 00:20:03,902

of relative humidity in the space.

 

702

00:20:03,902 --> 00:20:05,070

The two,

 

703

00:20:05,070 --> 00:20:05,938

as much as we say

 

704

00:20:05,938 --> 00:20:07,206

that the temperature and the heat

 

705

00:20:07,206 --> 00:20:09,174

and the moisture aren't connected,

 

706

00:20:09,174 --> 00:20:10,142

they are

 

707

00:20:10,576 --> 00:20:12,844

the the steadier the temperature is

 

708

00:20:13,412 --> 00:20:14,580

the more of a swing

 

709

00:20:14,580 --> 00:20:16,348

you have of another variable

 

710

00:20:16,348 --> 00:20:17,950

like the relative humidity,

 

711

00:20:17,950 --> 00:20:19,518

because it allows that transmission

 

712

00:20:19,518 --> 00:20:20,552

of that moisture

 

713

00:20:20,552 --> 00:20:22,020

through the system

 

714

00:20:22,020 --> 00:20:24,122

or through the wood itself.

 

715

00:20:24,122 --> 00:20:26,058

And it one of the things

 

716

00:20:26,058 --> 00:20:27,092

that the guidelines calls

 

717

00:20:27,092 --> 00:20:28,560

for is keeping the temperature

 

718

00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,095

at a constant,

 

719

00:20:30,095 --> 00:20:32,297

give or take five degree window

 

720

00:20:32,564 --> 00:20:34,433

for 24 hours.

 

721

00:20:34,433 --> 00:20:36,301

Now, you have some systems out there

 

722

00:20:36,301 --> 00:20:39,004

that that are set up to operate the heat

 

723

00:20:39,371 --> 00:20:41,173

based on room temperature.

 

724

00:20:41,173 --> 00:20:43,141

So let's say you're on a concrete slab

 

725

00:20:43,141 --> 00:20:44,810

and you heat that slab up

 

726

00:20:44,810 --> 00:20:46,845

and it has all that heat in there.

 

727

00:20:47,079 --> 00:20:48,880

But it heated up real high.

 

728

00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,882

And now that room up to that temperature,

 

729

00:20:50,882 --> 00:20:52,851

unless that room drops that temperature

 

730

00:20:52,851 --> 00:20:53,852

quite a bit,

 

731

00:20:53,852 --> 00:20:55,387

the floor is now dropping

 

732

00:20:55,387 --> 00:20:56,088

while that room is

 

733

00:20:56,088 --> 00:20:56,989

holding all of that heat

 

734

00:20:58,690 --> 00:20:59,124

with.

 

735

00:20:59,124 --> 00:21:01,226

You, you just gave wind goosebumps

 

736

00:21:02,327 --> 00:21:03,762

while you're talking.

 

737

00:21:03,762 --> 00:21:04,763

You are talking.

 

738

00:21:04,763 --> 00:21:06,131

Wayne's

 

739

00:21:06,131 --> 00:21:06,865

this is

 

740

00:21:06,865 --> 00:21:08,400

this is is like

 

741

00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,435

moisture vapors and mitigation.

 

742

00:21:10,469 --> 00:21:11,270

Oh, my.

 

743

00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:12,104

I could

 

744

00:21:12,170 --> 00:21:14,072

I can see the goose bumps from here on.

 

745

00:21:14,072 --> 00:21:14,740

Look it up.

 

746

00:21:14,740 --> 00:21:18,644

He's never been so happy.

 

747

00:21:18,644 --> 00:21:19,211

That's the thing.

 

748

00:21:19,211 --> 00:21:19,678

That's the thing.

 

749

00:21:19,678 --> 00:21:20,245

I mean, with,

 

750

00:21:20,245 --> 00:21:21,780

with electric heat,

 

751

00:21:21,780 --> 00:21:24,182

we run into a situation of where

 

752

00:21:24,182 --> 00:21:25,884

it's that unknown

 

753

00:21:25,884 --> 00:21:26,585

because there's no

 

754

00:21:26,585 --> 00:21:28,420

water running in the system.

 

755

00:21:28,420 --> 00:21:29,554

And the minute that there's

 

756

00:21:29,554 --> 00:21:30,922

somebody saying that, oh,

 

757

00:21:30,922 --> 00:21:33,358

my floors are moving around,

 

758

00:21:33,358 --> 00:21:34,893

we ask the question of,

 

759

00:21:34,893 --> 00:21:37,496

okay, so what's your humidity like?

 

760

00:21:37,496 --> 00:21:38,563

Tell us that.

 

761

00:21:38,563 --> 00:21:40,432

And they're like, Well, we don't know.

 

762

00:21:40,432 --> 00:21:41,400

We don't track it.

 

763

00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:42,200

So why are you saying

 

764

00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,169

the heat is to blame?

 

765

00:21:44,836 --> 00:21:45,270

You know,

 

766

00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:46,038

I have another

 

767

00:21:46,038 --> 00:21:47,306

I have a story here

 

768

00:21:47,306 --> 00:21:49,374

that we have a call that happened

 

769

00:21:49,374 --> 00:21:50,575

not too long ago.

 

770

00:21:50,575 --> 00:21:52,377

A customer calls in.

 

771

00:21:52,377 --> 00:21:55,013

We put your system in the sitting area

 

772

00:21:55,013 --> 00:21:56,315

in the dining room.

 

773

00:21:56,315 --> 00:21:59,184

So it's a combined kitchen dining area.

 

774

00:21:59,851 --> 00:22:01,053

And we put your system

 

775

00:22:01,053 --> 00:22:03,422

in the sitting area where the table is.

 

776

00:22:03,789 --> 00:22:05,424

But we didn't put it in the kitchen area

 

777

00:22:05,424 --> 00:22:07,025

where the sink, the stove

 

778

00:22:07,025 --> 00:22:07,826

and everything else. It's

 

779

00:22:08,894 --> 00:22:10,062

and in the seating

 

780

00:22:10,062 --> 00:22:12,197

area, the floor is perfect.

 

781

00:22:12,197 --> 00:22:12,631

However,

 

782

00:22:12,631 --> 00:22:14,132

where it transitioned into the kitchen,

 

783

00:22:14,132 --> 00:22:15,500

the kitchen

 

784

00:22:16,468 --> 00:22:17,903

ended up copping

 

785

00:22:18,270 --> 00:22:19,771

what ended up happening there.

 

786

00:22:19,771 --> 00:22:20,539

And we're like, Well,

 

787

00:22:20,539 --> 00:22:22,341

you didn't have the radiant heat there.

 

788

00:22:22,341 --> 00:22:23,075

Well, why didn't it

 

789

00:22:23,075 --> 00:22:24,176

cupping the other area?

 

790

00:22:24,176 --> 00:22:25,577

Because the vapor was able to move

 

791

00:22:25,577 --> 00:22:27,679

through from the basement to the

 

792

00:22:27,679 --> 00:22:29,581

through the space back and forth,

 

793

00:22:29,581 --> 00:22:30,816

because you kept that floor

 

794

00:22:30,816 --> 00:22:33,452

76 degrees, just a steady 76.

 

795

00:22:34,286 --> 00:22:35,620

And when the temperature dropped in

 

796

00:22:35,620 --> 00:22:37,622

the air conditioner turned on

 

797

00:22:37,622 --> 00:22:38,690

and all that moisture

 

798

00:22:38,690 --> 00:22:41,093

settled on your wood and

 

799

00:22:41,093 --> 00:22:42,661

swelled it up.

 

800

00:22:42,861 --> 00:22:43,795

So when are we

 

801

00:22:43,795 --> 00:22:44,529

when are we putting that

 

802

00:22:44,529 --> 00:22:45,931

heating in know, kitchen?

 

803

00:22:45,931 --> 00:22:46,665

Yeah.

 

804

00:22:46,698 --> 00:22:49,201

That was my question. Yeah.

 

805

00:22:49,201 --> 00:22:50,102

They are doing it.

 

806

00:22:50,102 --> 00:22:51,436

They ended up buying it.

 

807

00:22:51,436 --> 00:22:52,704

So I don't want to

 

808

00:22:52,704 --> 00:22:54,806

I want to circle back to where you said,

 

809

00:22:54,806 --> 00:22:57,542

you know, bring it up to the heat

 

810

00:22:58,443 --> 00:22:59,911

incrementally.

 

811

00:22:59,911 --> 00:23:01,413

That's that's an important point.

 

812

00:23:01,413 --> 00:23:02,314

You don't want to turn it on

 

813

00:23:02,314 --> 00:23:03,281

and shop the system.

 

814

00:23:03,281 --> 00:23:04,282

If you know,

 

815

00:23:04,282 --> 00:23:05,784

if your house hasn't been lived in

 

816

00:23:05,784 --> 00:23:06,785

in it's 60 degrees

 

817

00:23:06,785 --> 00:23:07,285

and I'll send

 

818

00:23:07,285 --> 00:23:09,554

you want to bring it up to 75 degrees

 

819

00:23:09,554 --> 00:23:10,355

or whatever.

 

820

00:23:10,355 --> 00:23:11,289

You do want to do that

 

821

00:23:11,289 --> 00:23:14,626

in, what, 45 degree increments.

 

822

00:23:14,626 --> 00:23:17,529

45 degrees per 24. Hours? Okay.

 

823

00:23:18,930 --> 00:23:19,765

And also, let's

 

824

00:23:19,765 --> 00:23:20,599

let's kind of walk it

 

825

00:23:20,599 --> 00:23:22,200

through for customers that I've seen it

 

826

00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,135

so I can visualize it.

 

827

00:23:23,135 --> 00:23:25,137

But you're going to walk into a job,

 

828

00:23:25,137 --> 00:23:25,704

you can do it.

 

829

00:23:25,704 --> 00:23:26,905

You have an existing floor

 

830

00:23:26,905 --> 00:23:28,907

with plywood subfloor.

 

831

00:23:28,907 --> 00:23:30,542

You can use this system, right?

 

832

00:23:30,542 --> 00:23:32,310

I mean, just

 

833

00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:35,013

the 70 year old house house from 1975,

 

834

00:23:35,747 --> 00:23:36,581

plywood subfloor is

 

835

00:23:36,581 --> 00:23:37,282

you can walk in

 

836

00:23:37,282 --> 00:23:39,284

and do this up self for the homeowner.

 

837

00:23:39,885 --> 00:23:40,652

You walk in

 

838

00:23:40,652 --> 00:23:41,953

and you have your mats, right?

 

839

00:23:41,953 --> 00:23:42,854

And one of them has like

 

840

00:23:42,854 --> 00:23:44,556

three feet wide or so.

 

841

00:23:44,556 --> 00:23:45,757

Two options, three foot

 

842

00:23:45,757 --> 00:23:47,959

or a foot and a half. Okay.

 

843

00:23:47,959 --> 00:23:50,562

So you roll these out, correct?

 

844

00:23:51,396 --> 00:23:53,098

And then from there you can

 

845

00:23:53,098 --> 00:23:54,399

you can acclimate. You would.

 

846

00:23:54,399 --> 00:23:55,200

So it doesn't take

 

847

00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,002

a lot of extra time on the job.

 

848

00:23:57,002 --> 00:23:58,203

As a matter of fact,

 

849

00:23:58,203 --> 00:23:59,104

surprisingly,

 

850

00:23:59,104 --> 00:24:00,272

it doesn't take a lot of extra

 

851

00:24:00,272 --> 00:24:02,107

time to do this type of install.

 

852

00:24:02,107 --> 00:24:03,708

Like I said, if you're doing a nail down,

 

853

00:24:03,708 --> 00:24:05,677

you see the wires right in front of you.

 

854

00:24:05,677 --> 00:24:08,146

I mean, these are three inches apart

 

855

00:24:08,146 --> 00:24:09,448

if you're doing a glue down.

 

856

00:24:09,448 --> 00:24:11,817

I mean, a lot of people do a double stack

 

857

00:24:11,817 --> 00:24:12,584

when they put down

 

858

00:24:13,952 --> 00:24:15,187

caulk a rubber and they

 

859

00:24:15,187 --> 00:24:16,021

got to glue that down

 

860

00:24:16,021 --> 00:24:17,055

and they come back in the next day

 

861

00:24:17,055 --> 00:24:19,057

or so, then they glued for on top of it.

 

862

00:24:19,057 --> 00:24:20,492

It's actually faster than that

 

863

00:24:20,492 --> 00:24:21,393

because you can

 

864

00:24:21,393 --> 00:24:21,960

as I said,

 

865

00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,061

you can lay the mats down

 

866

00:24:23,061 --> 00:24:24,496

wet and the adhesive,

 

867

00:24:24,496 --> 00:24:25,831

and then you can lay the adhesive

 

868

00:24:25,831 --> 00:24:27,265

right over top of the mat and start

 

869

00:24:27,265 --> 00:24:28,934

installing right away way.

 

870

00:24:28,934 --> 00:24:29,868

And I do want to correct you.

 

871

00:24:29,868 --> 00:24:31,937

It's it's not only you can

 

872

00:24:31,937 --> 00:24:33,371

that's the approved method.

 

873

00:24:33,371 --> 00:24:35,507

You work in locations that you can

 

874

00:24:35,507 --> 00:24:36,875

you don't want to glue down

 

875

00:24:36,875 --> 00:24:37,742

the entire mat

 

876

00:24:37,742 --> 00:24:39,544

because then you don't have that push

 

877

00:24:39,544 --> 00:24:40,445

through of that adhesive.

 

878

00:24:40,445 --> 00:24:41,446

If you remember,

 

879

00:24:41,446 --> 00:24:44,249

and really bond bottom to top layer.

 

880

00:24:44,583 --> 00:24:45,884

Okay. Yeah, good point.

 

881

00:24:45,884 --> 00:24:47,652

Because that's when the samples we did,

 

882

00:24:47,652 --> 00:24:49,287

that's what we it to us.

 

883

00:24:49,287 --> 00:24:50,088

We laid it wet,

 

884

00:24:50,088 --> 00:24:51,223

laid the mat, laid on top.

 

885

00:24:51,223 --> 00:24:52,924

So you're saying that must be done.

 

886

00:24:52,924 --> 00:24:54,259

That that's how it's done.

 

887

00:24:54,259 --> 00:24:55,627

Only work in the second.

 

888

00:24:55,627 --> 00:24:55,827

Well,

 

889

00:24:55,827 --> 00:24:56,761

you're not going to go out

 

890

00:24:56,761 --> 00:24:58,864

in and glue down

 

891

00:24:58,864 --> 00:25:00,799

or spread your adhesive

 

892

00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:03,001

in the entire room and then work on that.

 

893

00:25:03,001 --> 00:25:04,603

Yeah. Yeah. Makes sense.

 

894

00:25:04,603 --> 00:25:06,104

If it pushes through the mat,

 

895

00:25:06,104 --> 00:25:07,839

why would you be walking around on

 

896

00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:08,473

what adhesive

 

897

00:25:08,473 --> 00:25:09,808

that's pushing through the mats

 

898

00:25:09,808 --> 00:25:10,408

and getting stuck

 

899

00:25:10,408 --> 00:25:12,544

to the bottom of your shoe? Yeah.

 

900

00:25:12,544 --> 00:25:14,346

I need to edit all that out. Yeah.

 

901

00:25:15,814 --> 00:25:17,849

You know, surge.

 

902

00:25:17,849 --> 00:25:18,183

Surge.

 

903

00:25:18,183 --> 00:25:19,451

I got to tell you,

 

904

00:25:19,451 --> 00:25:20,685

it looks to me like

 

905

00:25:20,685 --> 00:25:21,953

you didn't read the fine

 

906

00:25:21,953 --> 00:25:24,823

print of the on the floor contract.

 

907

00:25:24,823 --> 00:25:25,624

That don't correct.

 

908

00:25:25,624 --> 00:25:27,726

We do not correct that way.

 

909

00:25:27,726 --> 00:25:29,861

That's it's right there. You signed it.

 

910

00:25:29,861 --> 00:25:30,495

No matter what.

 

911

00:25:30,495 --> 00:25:33,098

I seen that when you signed that

 

912

00:25:33,098 --> 00:25:34,065

that you didn't read.

 

913

00:25:34,065 --> 00:25:35,500

You know what

 

914

00:25:35,567 --> 00:25:37,669

your lawyers look at this contract.

 

915

00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:38,303

Contract.

 

916

00:25:38,303 --> 00:25:39,771

If I got to give the right information

 

917

00:25:39,771 --> 00:25:41,706

to the installer, that's what I'm doing.

 

918

00:25:41,706 --> 00:25:42,774

No matter how.

 

919

00:25:42,774 --> 00:25:44,509

To, Wayne and Wayne will do it.

 

920

00:25:44,509 --> 00:25:45,911

But you do it discreetly.

 

921

00:25:45,911 --> 00:25:47,045

It's right in the contract.

 

922

00:25:47,045 --> 00:25:47,913

How to do this.

 

923

00:25:47,913 --> 00:25:49,281

All right, let me let me let me get.

 

924

00:25:49,281 --> 00:25:51,349

A quarter contract.

 

925

00:25:51,349 --> 00:25:53,051

I'll let me get a whiteboard.

 

926

00:25:53,051 --> 00:25:54,019

I'll put a note up.

 

927

00:25:54,019 --> 00:25:55,287

Yeah. There you go.

 

928

00:25:55,287 --> 00:25:56,888

We'll give you one pass.

 

929

00:25:56,888 --> 00:25:57,422

No better.

 

930

00:25:57,422 --> 00:25:58,223

No matter how bad

 

931

00:25:58,223 --> 00:25:59,925

I go off the reservation and whatever,

 

932

00:25:59,925 --> 00:26:01,192

just keep rolling with as much as.

 

933

00:26:01,192 --> 00:26:04,629

And no matter how painful it is.

 

934

00:26:04,629 --> 00:26:05,330

No, thank you.

 

935

00:26:05,330 --> 00:26:06,364

Thank you for correcting me.

 

936

00:26:07,832 --> 00:26:08,867

So but my point is,

 

937

00:26:08,867 --> 00:26:10,402

it's a pretty fast install.

 

938

00:26:10,402 --> 00:26:12,003

It doesn't take a lot of time.

 

939

00:26:12,003 --> 00:26:13,104

And what I again,

 

940

00:26:13,104 --> 00:26:15,073

I keep going back to the upsell

 

941

00:26:15,073 --> 00:26:16,107

because that's what you're offering.

 

942

00:26:16,107 --> 00:26:18,209

I mean, it's an investment in their home.

 

943

00:26:18,209 --> 00:26:19,344

Your it's a really

 

944

00:26:19,344 --> 00:26:21,246

if anybody has not walked on radiant heat

 

945

00:26:21,246 --> 00:26:21,980

it's a beautiful

 

946

00:26:21,980 --> 00:26:23,114

what I mean that's that's

 

947

00:26:23,114 --> 00:26:23,648

why you see always

 

948

00:26:23,648 --> 00:26:24,549

the commercials

 

949

00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:25,650

in the bathrooms

 

950

00:26:25,650 --> 00:26:26,484

where the ladies walking

 

951

00:26:26,484 --> 00:26:27,452

across the bathroom.

 

952

00:26:27,452 --> 00:26:29,454

I just saw a movie the other day.

 

953

00:26:29,454 --> 00:26:29,788

What was it?

 

954

00:26:29,788 --> 00:26:31,656

I can't remember it,

 

955

00:26:31,656 --> 00:26:32,824

but our lady was walking

 

956

00:26:32,824 --> 00:26:35,760

across the warm floor in the bathroom.

 

957

00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:36,561

And so you can have that

 

958

00:26:36,561 --> 00:26:37,529

with your hardwood floors

 

959

00:26:37,529 --> 00:26:38,863

throughout the house.

 

960

00:26:38,863 --> 00:26:40,966

And it's really a nice system.

 

961

00:26:40,966 --> 00:26:41,199

Well,

 

962

00:26:41,199 --> 00:26:42,867

one of the one of the most common things

 

963

00:26:42,867 --> 00:26:43,802

that the contractors

 

964

00:26:43,802 --> 00:26:45,804

that work with us regularly do,

 

965

00:26:45,804 --> 00:26:46,471

they walk in,

 

966

00:26:46,471 --> 00:26:47,672

they're doing a sitting room.

 

967

00:26:47,672 --> 00:26:49,307

They're doing of the hallway,

 

968

00:26:49,307 --> 00:26:50,909

they're doing the kitchen,

 

969

00:26:50,909 --> 00:26:51,743

but they've got carpets

 

970

00:26:51,743 --> 00:26:53,011

going into the bedrooms.

 

971

00:26:53,011 --> 00:26:56,581

Why and, and the installer comes in

 

972

00:26:56,848 --> 00:26:57,849

and he's look at

 

973

00:26:57,849 --> 00:26:59,250

why are you doing carpet in the bedrooms.

 

974

00:26:59,250 --> 00:27:00,452

If we can add the heat in there,

 

975

00:27:00,452 --> 00:27:01,386

you don't carpet the bedrooms

 

976

00:27:01,386 --> 00:27:02,520

because it's cold or are you doing it

 

977

00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:03,922

because that's what you like.

 

978

00:27:03,922 --> 00:27:04,489

Yes.

 

979

00:27:04,489 --> 00:27:05,790

And all of a sudden

 

980

00:27:05,790 --> 00:27:08,126

they're getting another 300 square feet.

 

981

00:27:08,126 --> 00:27:09,928

Mm. Yeah, absolutely.

 

982

00:27:09,928 --> 00:27:11,296

That's very that's a great point.

 

983

00:27:12,397 --> 00:27:14,165

So let me ask the question,

 

984

00:27:14,165 --> 00:27:14,566

is this

 

985

00:27:14,566 --> 00:27:16,201

just a supplement to heating

 

986

00:27:16,201 --> 00:27:19,170

or can this be your main source of heat?

 

987

00:27:20,872 --> 00:27:23,308

Yes.

 

988

00:27:23,308 --> 00:27:24,476

And that's going to be the answer

 

989

00:27:24,476 --> 00:27:26,211

that way. Yes.

 

990

00:27:26,211 --> 00:27:28,980

For for the purposes of

 

991

00:27:29,614 --> 00:27:32,550

is it a main source of heat,

 

992

00:27:32,550 --> 00:27:33,385

you've got a five

 

993

00:27:33,385 --> 00:27:34,452

degree temperature climb

 

994

00:27:34,452 --> 00:27:35,520

that you can set up for a day.

 

995

00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:36,955

So you can't use this

 

996

00:27:36,955 --> 00:27:39,090

as your only source of heat.

 

997

00:27:39,090 --> 00:27:40,759

You can't use it as a sole source of heat

 

998

00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:43,294

because if your house is at 55 degrees

 

999

00:27:43,294 --> 00:27:44,162

because you've left it on a

 

1000

00:27:44,162 --> 00:27:45,230

you want to vacation

 

1001

00:27:45,230 --> 00:27:46,598

in the middle of January,

 

1002

00:27:46,598 --> 00:27:48,700

then you want to turn the temperature up.

 

1003

00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:49,968

You're only setting it to 60.

 

1004

00:27:49,968 --> 00:27:52,504

That's not comfortable for you to be in

 

1005

00:27:52,504 --> 00:27:53,104

space. One

 

1006

00:27:54,205 --> 00:27:57,042

However, it can make the floor warmer,

 

1007

00:27:57,108 --> 00:27:57,842

slower

 

1008

00:27:57,842 --> 00:27:59,377

to that to where

 

1009

00:27:59,377 --> 00:28:00,845

if you take my house in Chicago

 

1010

00:28:00,845 --> 00:28:02,280

where we're at, my wife wouldn't

 

1011

00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,114

let me buy a new house

 

1012

00:28:03,114 --> 00:28:04,015

in the last couple of years

 

1013

00:28:04,015 --> 00:28:06,017

because the first thing the issue is,

 

1014

00:28:06,017 --> 00:28:07,118

are we redoing the floors

 

1015

00:28:07,118 --> 00:28:08,486

after we buy the house?

 

1016

00:28:08,486 --> 00:28:09,087

I'm like,

 

1017

00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:09,754

we've got a two year

 

1018

00:28:09,754 --> 00:28:10,422

old, a four year old.

 

1019

00:28:10,422 --> 00:28:11,823

I can't do that

 

1020

00:28:11,823 --> 00:28:13,858

because like, yeah, they're not moving.

 

1021

00:28:13,858 --> 00:28:17,328

So my, my furnace does not run

 

1022

00:28:17,929 --> 00:28:18,863

really a lot

 

1023

00:28:18,863 --> 00:28:20,732

because I've got a house built in 1990.

 

1024

00:28:20,732 --> 00:28:21,566

I've got a fairly tight

 

1025

00:28:21,566 --> 00:28:23,401

envelope, nice and fresh

 

1026

00:28:23,401 --> 00:28:25,503

you know well-made will maintain there.

 

1027

00:28:25,737 --> 00:28:27,672

And I put in in floor heating

 

1028

00:28:27,672 --> 00:28:28,807

when I ripped out all the carpet,

 

1029

00:28:28,807 --> 00:28:31,076

the entire house was carpet before

 

1030

00:28:31,076 --> 00:28:33,278

and I keep my floors at 72.

 

1031

00:28:33,311 --> 00:28:34,446

My house is kept,

 

1032

00:28:34,446 --> 00:28:37,282

my house naturally sits at 70.

 

1033

00:28:37,282 --> 00:28:38,983

How much more heat do I need?

 

1034

00:28:38,983 --> 00:28:41,619

And my my kids are playing on the floor.

 

1035

00:28:41,653 --> 00:28:43,688

They're in the 70 to 73 window right

 

1036

00:28:43,688 --> 00:28:44,622

there where they're playing

 

1037

00:28:45,657 --> 00:28:46,291

my head that

 

1038

00:28:46,291 --> 00:28:48,226

68 because I'm higher up than them

 

1039

00:28:48,226 --> 00:28:49,861

and I've got a cool head, warm toes.

 

1040

00:28:49,861 --> 00:28:51,663

My wife's not complaining.

 

1041

00:28:51,663 --> 00:28:53,198

Kids are happy,

 

1042

00:28:53,198 --> 00:28:54,432

my furnace isn't running

 

1043

00:28:54,432 --> 00:28:55,366

and I'm not blowing

 

1044

00:28:55,366 --> 00:28:56,401

and drying

 

1045

00:28:56,401 --> 00:28:57,836

all the moisture out of my hair

 

1046

00:28:57,836 --> 00:28:59,137

in the winter and the winter.

 

1047

00:28:59,137 --> 00:29:00,905

Yeah, perfect.

 

1048

00:29:00,905 --> 00:29:02,741

I did have to change my humidifier

 

1049

00:29:02,741 --> 00:29:03,908

because of that, though.

 

1050

00:29:03,908 --> 00:29:05,410

Well, no, no.

 

1051

00:29:05,410 --> 00:29:07,679

No furnace, no humidification. Yeah.

 

1052

00:29:07,679 --> 00:29:09,781

I needed to change to steam humidifier

 

1053

00:29:09,781 --> 00:29:11,049

so I could just blow the fan

 

1054

00:29:11,049 --> 00:29:12,350

and the humidifier for the whole house.

 

1055

00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:13,952

Humidifier Very nice.

 

1056

00:29:13,952 --> 00:29:16,387

I can't do the bypass with the filters.

 

1057

00:29:16,387 --> 00:29:18,389

So I also know that

 

1058

00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:19,724

there's a lot of manufacturers

 

1059

00:29:19,724 --> 00:29:20,959

now that approve the system

 

1060

00:29:20,959 --> 00:29:22,393

with their flooring, correct?

 

1061

00:29:22,393 --> 00:29:24,195

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

 

1062

00:29:24,195 --> 00:29:24,829

Well, it's

 

1063

00:29:24,829 --> 00:29:26,297

something that we're trying to do,

 

1064

00:29:26,297 --> 00:29:26,898

at least from

 

1065

00:29:26,898 --> 00:29:28,733

our side, is provide

 

1066

00:29:28,733 --> 00:29:30,568

the installer with an eco system.

 

1067

00:29:30,568 --> 00:29:31,469

I mean, this is how you and

 

1068

00:29:31,469 --> 00:29:32,704

I started talking,

 

1069

00:29:32,704 --> 00:29:33,605

you know,

 

1070

00:29:33,872 --> 00:29:35,874

when one of the installer calls us,

 

1071

00:29:36,407 --> 00:29:39,043

if you don't have an answer for them,

 

1072

00:29:39,043 --> 00:29:40,411

they're, they're kind of worried

 

1073

00:29:40,411 --> 00:29:42,013

and those kind of things.

 

1074

00:29:42,013 --> 00:29:44,282

And I didn't want to have to wait of,

 

1075

00:29:44,682 --> 00:29:46,117

you know, bacon installer

 

1076

00:29:46,117 --> 00:29:47,552

any installer and he calls

 

1077

00:29:47,552 --> 00:29:48,086

Hey Wayne,

 

1078

00:29:48,086 --> 00:29:49,320

I've got this heating system

 

1079

00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:50,088

that I want to put in.

 

1080

00:29:50,088 --> 00:29:51,656

Will the work will the glue work with it?

 

1081

00:29:51,656 --> 00:29:53,158

Well, I got to do testing

 

1082

00:29:53,158 --> 00:29:55,360

and we all know how busy we are, right?

 

1083

00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:55,593

You know,

 

1084

00:29:55,593 --> 00:29:57,362

we wanted to get that out of the way.

 

1085

00:29:57,362 --> 00:29:58,530

That's why we Wayne

 

1086

00:29:58,530 --> 00:30:00,331

and I connected a while back.

 

1087

00:30:00,331 --> 00:30:02,000

And you did the testing of the adhesives.

 

1088

00:30:03,234 --> 00:30:04,669

We reached out to,

 

1089

00:30:04,669 --> 00:30:06,571

as you mentioned, Ron, from Hallmark.

 

1090

00:30:06,571 --> 00:30:07,939

We met him on the radio

 

1091

00:30:07,939 --> 00:30:09,274

and he task force.

 

1092

00:30:09,274 --> 00:30:10,842

And the first thing that we did is

 

1093

00:30:10,842 --> 00:30:12,544

we went about and said,

 

1094

00:30:12,544 --> 00:30:15,480

you know your flaws, you know flaws.

 

1095

00:30:16,414 --> 00:30:17,782

Tell me what your flaws

 

1096

00:30:17,782 --> 00:30:19,551

need to work with heat

 

1097

00:30:19,551 --> 00:30:20,552

because we can make the heat

 

1098

00:30:20,552 --> 00:30:22,720

do anything you needed to do

 

1099

00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,089

in order to make it be easier to install.

 

1100

00:30:25,089 --> 00:30:27,158

Not obtrusive work with the adhesives.

 

1101

00:30:27,192 --> 00:30:28,293

Work with the nails.

 

1102

00:30:28,293 --> 00:30:30,995

And what limits will you will

 

1103

00:30:30,995 --> 00:30:32,430

it take to get your floor

 

1104

00:30:32,430 --> 00:30:34,332

to approve that?

 

1105

00:30:34,332 --> 00:30:36,267

And that's where a system came up

 

1106

00:30:36,267 --> 00:30:37,836

and that's where warmth and warm

 

1107

00:30:37,836 --> 00:30:39,637

stuff came to be.

 

1108

00:30:39,637 --> 00:30:40,138

The system

 

1109

00:30:40,138 --> 00:30:42,106

that you want to choose for what?

 

1110

00:30:42,207 --> 00:30:44,275

Well, I told you that

 

1111

00:30:44,275 --> 00:30:45,009

I have such

 

1112

00:30:45,009 --> 00:30:46,611

a great respect for Ron Oliver.

 

1113

00:30:46,611 --> 00:30:47,979

I know his background

 

1114

00:30:47,979 --> 00:30:48,847

and his history

 

1115

00:30:48,847 --> 00:30:49,981

with radiant heat and everything

 

1116

00:30:49,981 --> 00:30:50,648

and wood flooring.

 

1117

00:30:50,648 --> 00:30:52,083

And so he's what

 

1118

00:30:52,083 --> 00:30:53,318

that sparked my mind and.

 

1119

00:30:53,318 --> 00:30:53,618

All right,

 

1120

00:30:53,618 --> 00:30:55,653

this is they got something here

 

1121

00:30:55,653 --> 00:30:56,521

and then meeting

 

1122

00:30:56,521 --> 00:30:57,388

you up and talking to you

 

1123

00:30:57,388 --> 00:30:57,856

and what have you.

 

1124

00:30:57,856 --> 00:30:58,723

It really has been a

 

1125

00:30:58,723 --> 00:31:00,825

been very interesting. So very cool.

 

1126

00:31:01,292 --> 00:31:02,627

I mean, there's a lot of info here.

 

1127

00:31:02,627 --> 00:31:04,062

I don't want to go into too technical.

 

1128

00:31:04,062 --> 00:31:05,163

I want to keep this a little bit

 

1129

00:31:05,163 --> 00:31:06,664

more lighthearted.

 

1130

00:31:06,664 --> 00:31:08,666

Well, speaking of which,

 

1131

00:31:08,666 --> 00:31:10,768

pronounce your last name for me.

 

1132

00:31:10,768 --> 00:31:11,603

Schlupp entire.

 

1133

00:31:12,604 --> 00:31:14,706

So you're you're Scottish, right?

 

1134

00:31:14,706 --> 00:31:15,607

Schlupp and

 

1135

00:31:16,741 --> 00:31:20,245

I am from Minsk, Belarus.

 

1136

00:31:20,678 --> 00:31:22,847

Okay, so I did a little research.

 

1137

00:31:23,281 --> 00:31:25,383

Oh, of course he did.

 

1138

00:31:25,383 --> 00:31:27,485

Me for this, too. Oh, here we go.

 

1139

00:31:27,485 --> 00:31:29,554

I Googled your surname,

 

1140

00:31:29,554 --> 00:31:35,193

and your last name is the 4,307,654th

 

1141

00:31:35,193 --> 00:31:38,162

most frequently held surnames worldwide.

 

1142

00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:40,999

So one in 347 million

 

1143

00:31:40,999 --> 00:31:43,268

someone people have that surname.

 

1144

00:31:43,268 --> 00:31:45,069

Is right up there with Johnson.

 

1145

00:31:45,069 --> 00:31:47,705

No, I looked at Johnson too.

 

1146

00:31:47,705 --> 00:31:50,041

And actually this is very interesting.

 

1147

00:31:50,375 --> 00:31:52,810

Johnson is derived from the word John,

 

1148

00:31:53,344 --> 00:31:54,479

the slang word for Lou

 

1149

00:31:54,479 --> 00:31:54,979

in England,

 

1150

00:31:54,979 --> 00:31:58,750

a common expression for toilet.

 

1151

00:31:58,750 --> 00:31:59,250

You couldn't

 

1152

00:31:59,250 --> 00:32:03,288

wait for me to walk into that one.

 

1153

00:32:03,288 --> 00:32:05,189

That's why you did that, didn't you?

 

1154

00:32:05,189 --> 00:32:05,924

I've actually got to.

 

1155

00:32:05,924 --> 00:32:07,325

Do I feel like a dope.

 

1156

00:32:07,325 --> 00:32:09,861

No, no, no. I walked right into that.

 

1157

00:32:11,229 --> 00:32:13,765

Actually, Johnson is an English

 

1158

00:32:13,765 --> 00:32:16,301

name, meaning son of John or Gifford,

 

1159

00:32:16,434 --> 00:32:17,702

gift of God.

 

1160

00:32:17,702 --> 00:32:19,070

So there you go.

 

1161

00:32:19,070 --> 00:32:20,505

That's going to tell my wife

 

1162

00:32:20,505 --> 00:32:21,272

that's what I am.

 

1163

00:32:21,272 --> 00:32:23,474

A gift from God for that.

 

1164

00:32:23,474 --> 00:32:24,842

Latin for a Yohannes,

 

1165

00:32:24,842 --> 00:32:25,977

which is derived from Hebrew,

 

1166

00:32:25,977 --> 00:32:29,280

Johann and meaning Jehovah, his favorite.

 

1167

00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:30,848

So. All right.

 

1168

00:32:31,449 --> 00:32:31,916

All right.

 

1169

00:32:31,916 --> 00:32:33,151

So I go in,

 

1170

00:32:33,151 --> 00:32:34,485

I rip up the carpet, I'm

 

1171

00:32:34,485 --> 00:32:35,620

going to install a floor.

 

1172

00:32:35,620 --> 00:32:36,354

I looked over,

 

1173

00:32:36,354 --> 00:32:37,322

they got

 

1174

00:32:37,322 --> 00:32:38,456

forced hot air

 

1175

00:32:38,456 --> 00:32:41,059

heating from an oil heater.

 

1176

00:32:41,059 --> 00:32:43,695

And then I say, Hey,

 

1177

00:32:43,695 --> 00:32:45,396

I got this stuff I can roll out

 

1178

00:32:45,396 --> 00:32:46,998

nail on top of

 

1179

00:32:46,998 --> 00:32:49,334

and we'll cut your oil use by 80%.

 

1180

00:32:51,002 --> 00:32:52,503

You can say that

 

1181

00:32:53,671 --> 00:32:54,472

surgery.

 

1182

00:32:54,472 --> 00:32:55,540

There you go.

 

1183

00:32:55,540 --> 00:32:56,474

You can say that.

 

1184

00:32:56,474 --> 00:32:58,576

I'm not going to say that

 

1185

00:32:59,344 --> 00:33:00,211

if you're

 

1186

00:33:00,611 --> 00:33:03,181

if you're in a house that's using oil,

 

1187

00:33:03,181 --> 00:33:04,716

I don't I don't know what it would be.

 

1188

00:33:04,716 --> 00:33:05,149

Are you doing

 

1189

00:33:05,149 --> 00:33:05,850

the entire

 

1190

00:33:05,850 --> 00:33:07,051

are you doing the entire house

 

1191

00:33:07,051 --> 00:33:09,420

or are you doing a bedroom?

 

1192

00:33:09,420 --> 00:33:11,489

You tell me you sell stuff.

 

1193

00:33:11,956 --> 00:33:13,291

There's an upsell opportunity

 

1194

00:33:13,291 --> 00:33:14,692

and that would be it, right?

 

1195

00:33:14,692 --> 00:33:15,293

I mean,

 

1196

00:33:15,393 --> 00:33:17,829

so it sounds like that would be my sale.

 

1197

00:33:17,829 --> 00:33:19,864

Is selling people.

 

1198

00:33:19,864 --> 00:33:21,065

You're not going to have to use

 

1199

00:33:21,065 --> 00:33:21,833

as much oil,

 

1200

00:33:21,833 --> 00:33:23,267

especially with

 

1201

00:33:23,267 --> 00:33:24,869

what's going on currently.

 

1202

00:33:24,869 --> 00:33:26,838

I mean, this seems

 

1203

00:33:26,838 --> 00:33:28,573

like a pretty great system.

 

1204

00:33:28,573 --> 00:33:30,008

Using oil is one thing,

 

1205

00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:31,509

but this allows you to use

 

1206

00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:33,344

a different method of method

 

1207

00:33:33,344 --> 00:33:34,812

or a different utility.

 

1208

00:33:34,812 --> 00:33:36,714

So if you're doing solar improvements

 

1209

00:33:36,714 --> 00:33:38,383

as well, you've got batteries at night

 

1210

00:33:38,383 --> 00:33:39,517

that work there,

 

1211

00:33:39,517 --> 00:33:40,618

you've got a concrete

 

1212

00:33:40,618 --> 00:33:41,552

slab potentially

 

1213

00:33:41,552 --> 00:33:43,021

that the house is sitting on

 

1214

00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:44,489

and you're using the electricity

 

1215

00:33:44,489 --> 00:33:45,223

that you can gain

 

1216

00:33:45,223 --> 00:33:45,990

through during the day

 

1217

00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:48,393

to keep that slab already warm

 

1218

00:33:48,393 --> 00:33:49,127

in the bedroom,

 

1219

00:33:49,127 --> 00:33:50,528

close the doors at night

 

1220

00:33:50,528 --> 00:33:51,863

so you're not getting the airflow

 

1221

00:33:51,863 --> 00:33:54,132

as much through the rest of the house

 

1222

00:33:54,132 --> 00:33:55,867

and keep those floors a little warmer

 

1223

00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:57,535

while you turn down the fire,

 

1224

00:33:57,535 --> 00:33:59,637

the system overnight by five degrees

 

1225

00:34:00,338 --> 00:34:01,472

in the other spaces

 

1226

00:34:01,472 --> 00:34:02,507

and use the oil

 

1227

00:34:02,507 --> 00:34:04,809

to supplement everything else.

 

1228

00:34:04,809 --> 00:34:05,576

Again, you've got

 

1229

00:34:05,576 --> 00:34:06,611

when you're using a force,

 

1230

00:34:06,611 --> 00:34:07,812

the air system,

 

1231

00:34:07,812 --> 00:34:10,081

nothing wrong with forced air, obviously,

 

1232

00:34:10,081 --> 00:34:12,750

but what happens is hot air rises.

 

1233

00:34:13,217 --> 00:34:15,253

So you're first heating all of that air

 

1234

00:34:15,253 --> 00:34:16,621

with that oil,

 

1235

00:34:16,621 --> 00:34:18,723

which then heats your ceiling,

 

1236

00:34:18,723 --> 00:34:20,425

which then comes down to cool,

 

1237

00:34:20,425 --> 00:34:21,759

to warm you up.

 

1238

00:34:21,759 --> 00:34:22,660

And the first thing you've got

 

1239

00:34:22,660 --> 00:34:23,194

is a hot head

 

1240

00:34:23,194 --> 00:34:26,297

and your toes are still cold right now.

 

1241

00:34:26,297 --> 00:34:27,765

Go go back to skiing

 

1242

00:34:27,765 --> 00:34:31,202

and using using skiing as an analogy, a

 

1243

00:34:32,036 --> 00:34:33,771

bad jacket, great boots.

 

1244

00:34:33,771 --> 00:34:35,807

You're out there having fun

 

1245

00:34:35,807 --> 00:34:37,708

no matter how good your jacket is.

 

1246

00:34:37,708 --> 00:34:39,110

If you got bad boots, you're not

 

1247

00:34:39,110 --> 00:34:39,911

having a good day.

 

1248

00:34:41,446 --> 00:34:42,180

So if you've got

 

1249

00:34:42,180 --> 00:34:45,149

warm toes, you're good

 

1250

00:34:45,149 --> 00:34:47,852

and is the same kind of situation.

 

1251

00:34:47,852 --> 00:34:48,853

My wife had to.

 

1252

00:34:48,853 --> 00:34:51,022

This not to mention at nighttime

 

1253

00:34:51,022 --> 00:34:52,023

you can reduce the heat

 

1254

00:34:52,023 --> 00:34:54,325

and a lot more at nighttime wear

 

1255

00:34:54,325 --> 00:34:56,127

and there's the wake up and shock

 

1256

00:34:56,127 --> 00:34:57,061

factor of it all.

 

1257

00:34:57,061 --> 00:34:58,296

So, you know,

 

1258

00:34:58,296 --> 00:34:59,664

you wake up in the middle of the night,

 

1259

00:34:59,664 --> 00:35:01,232

you step down on a cold floor.

 

1260

00:35:01,232 --> 00:35:02,400

Regardless of how warm

 

1261

00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,304

the house is, you're still awake.

 

1262

00:35:06,304 --> 00:35:07,505

Whatever the reason you wake up

 

1263

00:35:07,505 --> 00:35:08,840

in the middle night is.

 

1264

00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,842

And this seems like a great upsell

 

1265

00:35:10,842 --> 00:35:11,676

opportunity, though,

 

1266

00:35:11,676 --> 00:35:14,011

if you're selling floors.

 

1267

00:35:14,011 --> 00:35:15,279

Whether you're doing one room

 

1268

00:35:15,279 --> 00:35:16,581

or you're doing the whole house take.

 

1269

00:35:16,581 --> 00:35:18,549

Yeah, absolutely.

 

1270

00:35:18,549 --> 00:35:19,383

I mean, we all know

 

1271

00:35:19,383 --> 00:35:20,551

electricity is the newest

 

1272

00:35:20,551 --> 00:35:22,787

and the only renewable energy source

 

1273

00:35:22,787 --> 00:35:23,654

that everybody's

 

1274

00:35:23,654 --> 00:35:24,856

kind of pushing things do, whether

 

1275

00:35:24,856 --> 00:35:26,257

it be wind, solar,

 

1276

00:35:27,925 --> 00:35:28,893

hydro, hydro,

 

1277

00:35:28,893 --> 00:35:30,461

hydroelectric, nuclear,

 

1278

00:35:30,461 --> 00:35:31,863

whatever the case may be,

 

1279

00:35:31,863 --> 00:35:33,898

if right now electricity is the cheapest

 

1280

00:35:34,665 --> 00:35:36,267

source of energy in most places.

 

1281

00:35:36,267 --> 00:35:37,034

Easy to do.

 

1282

00:35:37,034 --> 00:35:38,169

It's an upsell.

 

1283

00:35:38,169 --> 00:35:40,271

Upsell, baby, make some more money.

 

1284

00:35:40,304 --> 00:35:41,639

You only got one shot.

 

1285

00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:43,040

Start offering it.

 

1286

00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,475

Start Offering it because.

 

1287

00:35:44,475 --> 00:35:46,210

Yeah, it is.

 

1288

00:35:46,210 --> 00:35:47,245

I mean, you're going to close

 

1289

00:35:47,245 --> 00:35:49,347

one out of ten maybe. Yeah.

 

1290

00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,583

But that one out of ten need so

 

1291

00:35:52,583 --> 00:35:55,086

job done locally here recently

 

1292

00:35:55,987 --> 00:35:57,722

just so you understand just to understand

 

1293

00:35:57,722 --> 00:35:58,956

the number retailer

 

1294

00:35:58,956 --> 00:36:00,525

retailer bought it for nine bucks

 

1295

00:36:00,525 --> 00:36:01,726

a square foot

 

1296

00:36:02,727 --> 00:36:04,629

contra actor took an extra hour

 

1297

00:36:04,629 --> 00:36:06,631

and a half to lay the mats out

 

1298

00:36:06,631 --> 00:36:07,765

and spread that adhesive

 

1299

00:36:07,765 --> 00:36:09,200

as he was doing it.

 

1300

00:36:09,433 --> 00:36:11,536

Right, right.

 

1301

00:36:11,602 --> 00:36:14,038

Build $6 an hour

 

1302

00:36:14,472 --> 00:36:16,007

to do that and for heat

 

1303

00:36:16,007 --> 00:36:16,841

in addition to the

 

1304

00:36:16,841 --> 00:36:17,808

glue, double glue down,

 

1305

00:36:18,776 --> 00:36:19,710

which he charged,

 

1306

00:36:19,710 --> 00:36:21,679

which he charged four and a quarter on,

 

1307

00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:23,581

he made more

 

1308

00:36:23,681 --> 00:36:25,783

with the thought of radiant heat

 

1309

00:36:25,783 --> 00:36:26,250

than he did

 

1310

00:36:26,250 --> 00:36:29,487

doing the labor of the double blew down

 

1311

00:36:29,487 --> 00:36:31,122

the entire project, took him

 

1312

00:36:31,122 --> 00:36:33,691

an extra hour and a half.

 

1313

00:36:33,691 --> 00:36:34,625

Wow.

 

1314

00:36:34,625 --> 00:36:35,326

So series,

 

1315

00:36:35,326 --> 00:36:36,994

how can somebody get hold of it?

 

1316

00:36:36,994 --> 00:36:38,763

Give us a call directly.

 

1317

00:36:38,763 --> 00:36:42,233

Phone number is one 800 3088057.

 

1318

00:36:42,233 --> 00:36:44,168

Ask for me directly

 

1319

00:36:44,168 --> 00:36:45,303

my extensions ten

 

1320

00:36:45,303 --> 00:36:45,636

shoot me

 

1321

00:36:45,636 --> 00:36:48,272

an email Sergey at thermostat com

 

1322

00:36:48,940 --> 00:36:49,907

go to thermostat dot

 

1323

00:36:49,907 --> 00:36:52,143

com Fill out an online form

 

1324

00:36:52,143 --> 00:36:53,444

talk to any of us here.

 

1325

00:36:53,444 --> 00:36:53,878

You've been

 

1326

00:36:53,878 --> 00:36:55,146

one of the most accessible guys.

 

1327

00:36:55,146 --> 00:36:56,847

Whenever I ever had a technical question

 

1328

00:36:56,847 --> 00:36:58,115

you've always answered.

 

1329

00:36:58,115 --> 00:36:59,617

So I appreciate that.

 

1330

00:36:59,617 --> 00:37:01,018

And that's one of the reasons

 

1331

00:37:01,018 --> 00:37:01,886

why you're on your year.

 

1332

00:37:01,886 --> 00:37:02,887

It's great to have an

 

1333

00:37:02,887 --> 00:37:03,854

expert in the field.

 

1334

00:37:03,854 --> 00:37:05,890

And and I tell you,

 

1335

00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:06,123

I mean,

 

1336

00:37:06,123 --> 00:37:06,557

like I said,

 

1337

00:37:06,557 --> 00:37:06,958

at the end of

 

1338

00:37:06,958 --> 00:37:08,192

if the guidelines change, it's

 

1339

00:37:08,192 --> 00:37:09,760

favored your system.

 

1340

00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,264

And really made it more easy to do

 

1341

00:37:14,165 --> 00:37:15,299

radiant heating.

 

1342

00:37:15,299 --> 00:37:17,435

And I think this is like Rob

 

1343

00:37:17,435 --> 00:37:19,470

says, it's a great upsell opportunity.

 

1344

00:37:19,470 --> 00:37:20,271

And man,

 

1345

00:37:20,271 --> 00:37:21,872

I appreciate you taking the time

 

1346

00:37:21,872 --> 00:37:23,908

to educate us a little bit.

 

1347

00:37:24,542 --> 00:37:26,677

And yeah, man, so.

 

1348

00:37:26,677 --> 00:37:28,312

We'll actually go out on a limb here.

 

1349

00:37:28,312 --> 00:37:29,413

And I was talking to our team

 

1350

00:37:29,413 --> 00:37:30,448

members here.

 

1351

00:37:30,448 --> 00:37:31,148

We'll go out on a limb

 

1352

00:37:31,148 --> 00:37:34,018

and actually plug Boehner the the crtc's

 

1353

00:37:34,552 --> 00:37:36,520

if you are going to participate

 

1354

00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,823

at a Nazi class. Yeah.

 

1355

00:37:38,823 --> 00:37:40,658

And you give a

 

1356

00:37:40,658 --> 00:37:41,292

you can either

 

1357

00:37:41,292 --> 00:37:43,194

talk to the bone instructor

 

1358

00:37:43,194 --> 00:37:44,629

or give us a call

 

1359

00:37:44,629 --> 00:37:45,563

directly and say, hey,

 

1360

00:37:45,563 --> 00:37:46,897

I'm going to be at this RTC

 

1361

00:37:46,897 --> 00:37:48,165

on these dates.

 

1362

00:37:48,165 --> 00:37:49,634

We'll send you a sample map

 

1363

00:37:49,634 --> 00:37:50,935

that you can use to buy

 

1364

00:37:50,935 --> 00:37:52,036

both the products on

 

1365

00:37:52,036 --> 00:37:54,272

and play with it at the RTC

 

1366

00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:56,574

right there for when you're there.

 

1367

00:37:56,574 --> 00:37:57,441

Week of your

 

1368

00:37:57,441 --> 00:37:59,543

if you're participating in the class,

 

1369

00:37:59,543 --> 00:38:00,344

reach out to us.

 

1370

00:38:00,344 --> 00:38:01,412

We'll let you get a hands on

 

1371

00:38:01,412 --> 00:38:02,446

at the class.

 

1372

00:38:02,446 --> 00:38:04,448

This is great. Thank you very much.

 

1373

00:38:04,448 --> 00:38:05,850

We'll roll some out.

 

1374

00:38:05,850 --> 00:38:08,586

We'll put the adhesive the adhesive down.

 

1375

00:38:08,586 --> 00:38:09,253

Put this down.

 

1376

00:38:09,253 --> 00:38:10,588

But said we'll talk about it later.

 

1377

00:38:10,588 --> 00:38:11,689

Would I nail it?

 

1378

00:38:11,689 --> 00:38:12,923

Come back the next day,

 

1379

00:38:12,923 --> 00:38:13,858

whatever you guys want to do it.

 

1380

00:38:13,858 --> 00:38:14,925

Absolutely. Thank you for that.

 

1381

00:38:14,925 --> 00:38:17,028

That's very kind of you. Appreciate that.

 

1382

00:38:17,428 --> 00:38:18,863

It's the only way that we can

 

1383

00:38:18,863 --> 00:38:20,197

we can help our industry,

 

1384

00:38:20,197 --> 00:38:21,432

help them learn.

 

1385

00:38:21,432 --> 00:38:22,700

I like your style.

 

1386

00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:23,734

Thanks very much.

 

1387

00:38:23,734 --> 00:38:24,101

Okay.

 

1388

00:38:24,101 --> 00:38:24,869

Before we go,

 

1389

00:38:24,869 --> 00:38:25,803

is there anything else

 

1390

00:38:25,803 --> 00:38:27,772

you want to get across?

 

1391

00:38:27,772 --> 00:38:31,442

Sorry that we didn't touch on.

 

1392

00:38:31,442 --> 00:38:32,476

I want to circle back.

 

1393

00:38:32,476 --> 00:38:33,311

We touched on it,

 

1394

00:38:33,311 --> 00:38:34,645

but I want to circle back to something

 

1395

00:38:34,645 --> 00:38:36,480

that I'm finding with a lot of people

 

1396

00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:37,348

that I talk to that

 

1397

00:38:37,348 --> 00:38:38,449

that don't offer heat.

 

1398

00:38:39,583 --> 00:38:40,818

There is a big difference

 

1399

00:38:40,818 --> 00:38:42,920

between customers ask for it

 

1400

00:38:43,621 --> 00:38:45,856

and do you offer it.

 

1401

00:38:45,890 --> 00:38:48,793

So I walk into a lot of retail locations,

 

1402

00:38:48,793 --> 00:38:50,728

a lot of you know, a lot of the people

 

1403

00:38:50,728 --> 00:38:52,430

that listen to the shows here,

 

1404

00:38:52,430 --> 00:38:56,901

they either work with a store or they do

 

1405

00:38:56,901 --> 00:38:58,269

go out and offer products

 

1406

00:38:58,269 --> 00:39:00,137

to the customers themselves

 

1407

00:39:00,137 --> 00:39:01,605

and the most common thing

 

1408

00:39:01,605 --> 00:39:02,940

that I ask the person that I asked

 

1409

00:39:02,940 --> 00:39:03,607

is because I need to know

 

1410

00:39:03,607 --> 00:39:05,076

what their customers are like.

 

1411

00:39:05,076 --> 00:39:07,278

Do you offer radiant heat?

 

1412

00:39:07,278 --> 00:39:10,414

And 90% of the time

 

1413

00:39:10,581 --> 00:39:11,415

and don't quote me

 

1414

00:39:11,415 --> 00:39:13,217

on the 90%, vastly

 

1415

00:39:13,217 --> 00:39:15,286

overwhelming percentage of the time,

 

1416

00:39:15,286 --> 00:39:16,821

the customer or whoever

 

1417

00:39:16,821 --> 00:39:17,988

I'm talking to, the advisory, well,

 

1418

00:39:17,988 --> 00:39:20,491

customers don't ask for it.

 

1419

00:39:20,491 --> 00:39:23,260

Do they ask for the adhesive as well?

 

1420

00:39:23,260 --> 00:39:25,496

Do they ask for the moisture mitigation?

 

1421

00:39:25,496 --> 00:39:27,631

Do they ask for the subfloor prep?

 

1422

00:39:27,631 --> 00:39:29,600

Or do you offer that.

 

1423

00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,502

Such a man?

 

1424

00:39:31,502 --> 00:39:33,938

That is such a good point. Let me let me

 

1425

00:39:35,139 --> 00:39:36,507

tell you this.

 

1426

00:39:36,507 --> 00:39:38,909

When I bought my truck,

 

1427

00:39:38,909 --> 00:39:39,543

you know, you know,

 

1428

00:39:39,543 --> 00:39:40,945

the truck has conditioned

 

1429

00:39:40,945 --> 00:39:42,480

seats like that.

 

1430

00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,281

The cold air says it's okay.

 

1431

00:39:44,281 --> 00:39:45,349

When I bought my truck, it didn't

 

1432

00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:46,817

I didn't buy it with that

 

1433

00:39:46,817 --> 00:39:47,485

because I didn't know

 

1434

00:39:47,485 --> 00:39:49,387

there was an option to buy that.

 

1435

00:39:49,387 --> 00:39:50,221

You know how, man

 

1436

00:39:50,221 --> 00:39:51,122

get when I found out

 

1437

00:39:51,122 --> 00:39:52,823

that I could have had that,

 

1438

00:39:52,823 --> 00:39:53,491

you know what I mean?

 

1439

00:39:53,491 --> 00:39:55,426

And no one told me I could have had that.

 

1440

00:39:55,426 --> 00:39:58,562

And so really, really good point.

 

1441

00:39:58,829 --> 00:39:59,263

Really good.

 

1442

00:39:59,263 --> 00:40:00,030

Excellent point.

 

1443

00:40:00,030 --> 00:40:01,532

So I'm glad you circle back to

 

1444

00:40:01,532 --> 00:40:03,033

that makes a lot of sense.

 

1445

00:40:03,033 --> 00:40:05,069

And going going off of that

 

1446

00:40:05,703 --> 00:40:07,538

the question goes back to again,

 

1447

00:40:07,538 --> 00:40:09,840

how many times do you offer the system

 

1448

00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:10,741

and if you don't know

 

1449

00:40:10,741 --> 00:40:11,776

how to offer the system,

 

1450

00:40:13,077 --> 00:40:13,511

you know,

 

1451

00:40:13,511 --> 00:40:14,311

it's a

 

1452

00:40:14,311 --> 00:40:16,247

challenge to learn to offer the system

 

1453

00:40:16,247 --> 00:40:18,616

if you don't practice offering it.

 

1454

00:40:18,616 --> 00:40:19,683

So you really should

 

1455

00:40:19,683 --> 00:40:20,551

be offering the system

 

1456

00:40:20,551 --> 00:40:22,586

whether you think the customer has it

 

1457

00:40:22,586 --> 00:40:24,321

in their flooring budget or not.

 

1458

00:40:24,321 --> 00:40:28,859

And you know why I say that, Wayne?

 

1459

00:40:28,859 --> 00:40:30,961

What's your comfort budget,

 

1460

00:40:30,961 --> 00:40:32,630

not your flooring budget.

 

1461

00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:34,665

What's your comfort budget?

 

1462

00:40:34,665 --> 00:40:36,200

How much are you willing to spend in

 

1463

00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:36,967

a comfort?

 

1464

00:40:36,967 --> 00:40:38,068

If you tell your wife,

 

1465

00:40:38,068 --> 00:40:39,336

we're redoing these floors

 

1466

00:40:39,336 --> 00:40:39,937

and the floors are going

 

1467

00:40:39,937 --> 00:40:40,604

to cost this much,

 

1468

00:40:40,604 --> 00:40:41,572

and she's going to say, okay,

 

1469

00:40:41,572 --> 00:40:42,907

I like that price.

 

1470

00:40:42,907 --> 00:40:44,542

But we're also going to add the system

 

1471

00:40:44,542 --> 00:40:47,044

that's going to give you heating costs.

 

1472

00:40:47,044 --> 00:40:49,680

You know, spend a little more. Go ahead.

 

1473

00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:50,881

Go put the heat in.

 

1474

00:40:50,881 --> 00:40:52,950

Yeah. What's your comfort worth?

 

1475

00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:54,251

To come home every day

 

1476

00:40:54,251 --> 00:40:55,152

and up every morning

 

1477

00:40:55,152 --> 00:40:56,787

and have that nice comfort.

 

1478

00:40:56,787 --> 00:40:57,955

What's that worth?

 

1479

00:40:57,955 --> 00:40:58,522

I had a guy

 

1480

00:40:58,522 --> 00:40:59,323

sell me a bed

 

1481

00:40:59,323 --> 00:41:01,492

saying the same exact thing.

 

1482

00:41:01,492 --> 00:41:02,960

Yeah. You happy with the bed?

 

1483

00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:03,861

Love it.

 

1484

00:41:03,894 --> 00:41:04,695

You pay three times

 

1485

00:41:04,695 --> 00:41:07,097

more than you want it to. Hell, yeah.

 

1486

00:41:07,565 --> 00:41:08,866

And like he said,

 

1487

00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:11,402

it's going to last you ten years.

 

1488

00:41:11,402 --> 00:41:14,438

It works out to about $0.75 a night.

 

1489

00:41:15,272 --> 00:41:17,308

Your comfort isn't worth $0.75.

 

1490

00:41:17,308 --> 00:41:18,075

And I

 

1491

00:41:18,809 --> 00:41:20,211

now I get my wife standing there.

 

1492

00:41:20,211 --> 00:41:21,579

So, yeah, of course, my comforts

 

1493

00:41:21,579 --> 00:41:23,581

for $0.75 a night.

 

1494

00:41:23,581 --> 00:41:23,881

It wouldn't

 

1495

00:41:23,881 --> 00:41:26,217

give 75, $0.50 a night to sleep.

 

1496

00:41:26,217 --> 00:41:27,918

Well, I like that.

 

1497

00:41:27,918 --> 00:41:30,221

I like the way you're thinking here, man.

 

1498

00:41:30,221 --> 00:41:30,821

Well, the thing is.

 

1499

00:41:30,821 --> 00:41:32,156

Is the difference

 

1500

00:41:32,156 --> 00:41:33,958

that that we're thinking here,

 

1501

00:41:33,958 --> 00:41:35,626

everything that we do with flooring

 

1502

00:41:35,626 --> 00:41:36,293

and this is where

 

1503

00:41:36,293 --> 00:41:37,528

I'm kind of fortunate with this

 

1504

00:41:37,528 --> 00:41:39,930

with this economy where we're going in.

 

1505

00:41:39,930 --> 00:41:41,098

The customers

 

1506

00:41:41,098 --> 00:41:43,434

that are doing the remodeling right now

 

1507

00:41:43,434 --> 00:41:45,703

aren't that constrained by the ebb

 

1508

00:41:45,703 --> 00:41:46,837

and flow of the economy

 

1509

00:41:46,837 --> 00:41:49,974

as some of the really you know, if you're

 

1510

00:41:49,974 --> 00:41:52,009

if you race to the bottom

 

1511

00:41:52,009 --> 00:41:53,177

with the flooring price,

 

1512

00:41:54,278 --> 00:41:55,179

those customers are the

 

1513

00:41:55,179 --> 00:41:56,580

ones that are always going to race

 

1514

00:41:56,580 --> 00:41:57,114

to the bottom.

 

1515

00:41:57,114 --> 00:41:58,282

Don't race to the bottom. No.

 

1516

00:41:58,282 --> 00:42:01,585

Your worth and the in floor heating space

 

1517

00:42:02,152 --> 00:42:03,120

not only lets

 

1518

00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,055

you stay at the upper echelon

 

1519

00:42:05,055 --> 00:42:05,923

of the installations

 

1520

00:42:05,923 --> 00:42:07,658

to where you're really spending

 

1521

00:42:07,658 --> 00:42:09,527

the time to do what you want to do.

 

1522

00:42:09,527 --> 00:42:11,762

But it also

 

1523

00:42:11,762 --> 00:42:14,932

lets you tap into other reserves of funds

 

1524

00:42:16,066 --> 00:42:18,369

if you tap into the floor heating

 

1525

00:42:18,369 --> 00:42:20,271

and they weren't ready to do good floor

 

1526

00:42:20,271 --> 00:42:22,172

the subfloor prep.

 

1527

00:42:22,172 --> 00:42:22,773

The subfloor

 

1528

00:42:22,773 --> 00:42:24,542

prep is more critical within floor

 

1529

00:42:24,542 --> 00:42:25,109

heating than

 

1530

00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:27,211

than than the flooring as well.

 

1531

00:42:27,545 --> 00:42:29,146

Do you have that successful insulation

 

1532

00:42:29,146 --> 00:42:31,148

but you also have that extra budget

 

1533

00:42:31,148 --> 00:42:32,883

from the comfort coming in

 

1534

00:42:32,883 --> 00:42:36,153

to allow you to do that prep?

 

1535

00:42:36,153 --> 00:42:36,587

You know,

 

1536

00:42:36,587 --> 00:42:37,788

there's also something

 

1537

00:42:37,788 --> 00:42:39,657

about personal satisfaction,

 

1538

00:42:39,657 --> 00:42:41,692

you know, stretching yourself and

 

1539

00:42:41,692 --> 00:42:42,893

and growing and learning something,

 

1540

00:42:42,893 --> 00:42:43,427

you know what I mean?

 

1541

00:42:43,427 --> 00:42:45,963

And and, you know, conquering something.

 

1542

00:42:45,963 --> 00:42:47,731

And this is so easy to conquer.

 

1543

00:42:47,731 --> 00:42:49,166

It's so easy to do.

 

1544

00:42:49,166 --> 00:42:49,900

But it does.

 

1545

00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:50,834

And it's another

 

1546

00:42:50,834 --> 00:42:51,535

another thing

 

1547

00:42:51,535 --> 00:42:52,336

that you're going to have for

 

1548

00:42:52,336 --> 00:42:53,871

the homeowner and and another

 

1549

00:42:55,072 --> 00:42:55,773

great feeling of

 

1550

00:42:55,773 --> 00:42:57,107

satisfaction that you've learned

 

1551

00:42:57,107 --> 00:42:58,943

something new in the industry

 

1552

00:42:58,943 --> 00:43:00,778

and you making. Money doing it.

 

1553

00:43:00,778 --> 00:43:02,046

Absolutely.

 

1554

00:43:02,046 --> 00:43:03,647

Service, we really appreciate having you

 

1555

00:43:03,647 --> 00:43:05,215

on, man. It's been a pleasure.

 

1556

00:43:05,215 --> 00:43:07,117

Thanks a lot, Serge.

 

1557

00:43:07,117 --> 00:43:07,918

Pleasure getting to know

 

1558

00:43:07,918 --> 00:43:08,619

you over the years

 

1559

00:43:08,619 --> 00:43:10,254

and thanks for making time.

 

1560

00:43:10,254 --> 00:43:11,488

My pleasure. My pleasure.

 

1561

00:43:11,488 --> 00:43:12,690

Thanks for having me.

 

1562

00:43:12,690 --> 00:43:13,791

It's been another episode

 

1563

00:43:13,791 --> 00:43:14,458

of On the Floor

 

1564

00:43:14,458 --> 00:43:16,827

with Wayne and Rob and Serge.

 

1565

00:43:16,827 --> 00:43:17,995

Please do stay tuned

 

1566

00:43:17,995 --> 00:43:26,837

for another episode of.