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Hello.
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Welcome to another
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episode of On the Floor
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with Wayne and Rob and Wayne.
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Highlander with Bona Adhesives.
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How are we doing, Rob?
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Good.
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This this episode is going to be kind of.
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I'm not sure which way to go on this,
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but it involves an inspection.
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Okay.
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And it involves engineered floors.
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It involves contracts.
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It involves a lot of different things.
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Okay.
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Yes, sir.
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So.
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A really good contractor
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I know had an inspection done on a floor.
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Okay.
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And,
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Know that this guy.
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This this guy's
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a voice.
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Yeah.
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And that,
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that would have been a good idea
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to have one.
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I'm not mention any names.
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I'm not mentioned any states.
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No. Where in America.
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Okay.
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So,
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well, yeah.
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So, so,
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an inspection was made on the floor.
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All right.
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Really good contractor,
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super good contractor
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does excellent work.
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And the complaint
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was there was,
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splits in the middle of the boards
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like it was,
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you know, wide, wide,
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engineered flooring, white plank.
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And I'm not talking about gaps
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between the boards.
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I'm talking about splitting
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on the surface of the board. Okay.
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That was a complaint.
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So I seen the report
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that the inspector did on the floor.
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And, it was a very interesting
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to me
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the road that this inspector went down.
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Okay.
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Here's the he
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he called them citations.
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Is is interesting.
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Language.
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Yes.
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So first of all, let me talk about
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some of the things
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he admitted in his, in his, in his,
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in his inspection.
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Now, he was not a
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certified inspector,
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but he had all kinds of
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expert in everything type of inspector.
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Right.
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But when he got there, he had,
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he admitted the,
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the relative humidity
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and the temperature in the home
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at that time. Okay.
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I'd say that's
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probably a pretty important,
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You know what?
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You're
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you're talking about
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another man's livelihood and reputation.
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All right?
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So get your together.
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All right.
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So he admitted the he admitted that
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he also admitted this
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the type of finish that was on the floor.
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And when we're talking
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about splits in the floor,
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well the type of finish
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is pretty darn important.
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That's on the floor.
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Okay.
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So he didn't go into that whatsoever.
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He also used
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I'm not going to mention
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the name of the meter,
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but it was a surface meter. Okay.
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Now
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adjacent to the floor
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was exposed concrete in the same room.
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He could have done an RH test
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that in situ probes right in
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and tested it to get an accurate test.
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But he didn't write.
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Yeah.
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So
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he's saying that
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in some areas of the floor,
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whether it was whether it was concrete,
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it was elevated moisture.
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And he went down
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the road of oh, was elevated moisture.
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And that in the, in the subfloor.
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Now.
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And the inspector
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also during the report
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mentioned that
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there were no signs of cupping,
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no crowning, no delamination,
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no popping,
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no hole spots, no dark boards.
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from any indication of the moisture
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was coming from below the floor.
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He went heavily down that road.
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And he also said that the floor
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and their and their instructions.
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And that is why he said that,
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you know, the guy was wrong. Is that
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the manufacturer's instructions say that,
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it has to be less than 3 pounds
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and 75 RH
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to lay the floor.
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What are you going to put
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that floor in America?
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You know what I mean?
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It also says that you have to be sure
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that it stays that same,
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moisture year round.
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I don't know that.
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3 pounds and 75 RH.
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Which according to the guidelines
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that if you're
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if you're below 3 pounds and 75 raised,
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you don't need any kind of moisture
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protection whatsoever.
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There's that slab is so dry there.
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You know no moisture concerns whatsoever.
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Now be aware
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that that's for that particular
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period in time.
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You know, who knows
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what's going to happen down the road.
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But according to the inspector,
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you have to know what's going on
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down the road
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because,
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otherwise you're
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not supposed to lay on the floor,
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but if you do run across
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high moisture,
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you need to put down a two part epoxy.
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Okay?
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Not seeing a lot of two porter boxes
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these days, are you? Right.
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So
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on and on and on about the moisture
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in the slab.
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But there was no,
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no signs of, of moisture from below
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on the floor.
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Okay.
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That's like saying, well,
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it came to check the engine in your car,
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but he had the wrong tires on it,
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you know.
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So, hey, I don't know, end
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you know what I mean?
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It had nothing to do.
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Nothing.
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Nothing to do with what was going on
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with the floor.
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There can only be three things
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causing that to happen to the floor.
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In my mind.
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One, you could say that.
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Well, probably
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excess excess water on this on the floor
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when they're maintaining the floor.
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So improper maintenance. Right.
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You can say that.
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In fact, the,
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the problems, causes and cures,
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I think is page 12
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or whatever talks about that. Okay.
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And also it's interesting to me
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says you didn't know
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what type of fish was on the floor.
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He said some areas
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had elevated moisture in the subfloor.
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There's no signs of it
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coming from underneath.
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So is it the possibility that
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it could be caused by, you know, using
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too much moisture
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on the, on the, on the floor
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when you're cleaning it?
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Okay. It's a possibility.
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The second thing that can cause
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that was more likely, I think can cause
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that is
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that is a lack of relative humidity.
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You know, we sometimes,
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and this is the part of the other thing
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I want to bring up in
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this is that sometimes we put in
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engineered floors
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and we think they're bulletproof, right?
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That, you know, put an engineer floor.
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You don't have to worry about much.
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You know, worry about acclimation
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so much.
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You don't have to worry about
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a lot of these things
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that you would have to worry about
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with solid wood flooring because, man,
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these things are very stable.
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We're a solid floor,
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might shrink between the boards.
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An engineer floor might
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you might get to splitting
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on the face of the boards. Okay.
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So that could be the issue, that
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lack of relative humidity,
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you know,
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you know,
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when it goes down into the, into the,
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you know, the dry months that that closet
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is a side note,
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you can go to Wunderground
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and you can look up the city
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that they live in.
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You can look up that if it was 2012,
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you could look up to 2012
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where they put it in September 15th.
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Okay. Look up September 15th, 2012.
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It will tell you what
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the weather conditions were that day.
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That week, that month. Right.
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how much humidity was going on.
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if it was raining a lot.
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The high temperature
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with the low temperature.
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Was that what the dew point was?
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All that's there.
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He didn't put that in his report, but,
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or.
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He talked about the RH at the time.
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There's another
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the third thing that can cause that
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and that can happen before the wood
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even gets to your house.
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That can happen at the mill right thing.
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You know you can.
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So it's a possibility.
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I've talked to wood scientists.
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I can say it was.
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It was already in the wood floor inherent
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in the wood floor, blah, blah, blah.
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And it didn't
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expose itself till later on.
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Now, I know
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it's possible that when you dry the wood
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at the at the mill,
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maybe the surface of the wood is dry
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and the core is wet still.
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And you have, you know,
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tension in the, in the board itself
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or you know,
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and I think that's probably why
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manufacturers say
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you need to keep it
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between 30 and 50% RH in the house.
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It would probably help
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help that somewhat. Right.
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So what could he
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what could the flooring guy
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have done though?
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We're talking about
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a real good floor guy.
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I mean,
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I would have
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the guys be honored
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to have him
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put the floors in my house, right?
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You guys, you said.
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And he would say that, hey,
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I've worked in this territory
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for 30 years.
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I know the products I work with.
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He's the great adhesive.
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Thank you.
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I used, great products.
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I look out for my customers, we follow,
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you know, best practices, and I.
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Was it all?
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That's true.
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But.
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If you don't have it documented,
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if you don't have it where
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you had
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the conversation
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of how to maintain the floors.
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Because this all comes into play
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for an inspector.
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Did you know how to,
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you know,
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how do you take care of the first?
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Well,
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no one told me
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I had to take care of that.
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I no one told me I had to use this
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or that of the other.
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Well, no one,
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no one told me that
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I had to keep the humidity at 30 and 50%,
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you know what I mean?
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No one told me those things. So,
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Oh, well, those things,
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you know, are like
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certainly keeping
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the the RH in the home
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is, to me
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is the homeowner's responsibility.
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It's in my contract.
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Right.
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I think, I'm just doing this podcast
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because I
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don't take for granted it's
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an engineered floor and it's bulletproof.
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It's not going to have blah, blah, blah.
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And I don't need to tell my customer
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this because, I'm doing
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what's best for them.
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I have great experience
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doing these things, and, you know.
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Like this lady told me years
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and years and years ago
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that it stuck with me to
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this day
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is handshakes are good for introductions.
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Anything after that,
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I want it in writing. Right.
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So that's why I think that almost,
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almost having someone
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sign off on something, say, hey,
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let you know this is how you maintain
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the floors is for your records,
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sign this or whatever
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or some, some, some way of saying
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check off that.
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We had a discussion
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on how to maintain the floors
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at the relative humidity
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between 30 and 50%.
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If it goes below
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that, that's going to happen. Whatever.
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And to properly maintain the floors,
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don't use water.
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You need to use this,
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which I think this guy
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did all these things,
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you know what I mean?
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I think he had these conversations.
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But where is it documented?
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You know what I mean?
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According to the to the to the.
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Oh, I tell you something else
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that happened to remember.
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Remind me about Rimbaud.
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But,
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it was several months afterwards
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they started to see it.
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Well, let's say
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you put the floor in September.
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I'm just doing that a month. Right.
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Let's say
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we get into January and February
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right now.
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If this lady's like my wife,
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who God knows,
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we're always fighting over,
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we don't fight over nothing
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except that thermostat.
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And, you know, she likes it very hot.
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And, and I like it cold, but,
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you know, so she turns the heat up
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and it dries out the room.
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And that one room where we
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we watch TV in
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it is the room that moves
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the most in my house.
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The rest of them really
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don't really move, but that one does.
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So let's say that you have that
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and I'll tell you a story
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about that in a minute.
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Let's say you have that kind of consumer
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that that really does
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that, you know what I mean? So
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it's not the installers fault,
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but you just want to make sure
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that you've
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you've had these conversations
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and you have these conversations
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somehow they're documented.
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So I think sometimes
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we take engineer flaws for granted
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and think it's the end all be all.
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You know.
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I mean, it could have been,
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I don't know, could have been.
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But before I go further, I want to
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I want to say something else
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about this report
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he also cited as a as a problem
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on the contractors
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fault that,
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according to their instructions,
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because right after the job was done,
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they put down Ram board. Okay.
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So to cover the floor.
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So the inspector put down that, well,
446
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you know,
447
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you're supposed to use
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a breathable product
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when you, you know,
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it says right here in our instructions.
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Well,
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if you look at Ram board,
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the first thing it says
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and they're on their product,
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which Ram was a great product
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is that it's a breathable product.
457
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The hell we've all use Ram board, right?
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It's one of the most commonly used the
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products that cover the floors.
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So,
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I don't know, man.
462
00:14:05,778 --> 00:14:07,413
And that was the other thing too,
463
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if you're going to be an inspector.
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And by the way, like I said,
465
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this was not in there
466
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with a certified inspector.
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But if you're going to be,
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call yourself an inspector.
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You don't measure the outrage
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in the house or the
471
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or the temperature in the house.
472
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You had an opportunity
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with exposed concrete
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to do a real test,
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not just a surface meter on the test.
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Oh, by the way,
477
00:14:25,998 --> 00:14:29,235
the homeowner told this guy,
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well, according to your instructions,
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I don't think anybody.
480
00:14:33,105 --> 00:14:35,074
You can't put this law in anywhere.
481
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The inspector says,
482
00:14:36,242 --> 00:14:36,976
oh, I've been putting them
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in for 40 years and
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I've never had a problem.
485
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Wrong, wrong man.
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And also the inspector,
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the inspector
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also offered a solution to fix the flaws,
489
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which was tear him out. So wrong.
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I mean, this guy.
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Yeah.
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Then it makes me so mad.
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You know what I mean?
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As you got a hard working guy
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who's a damn good floor
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00:15:00,499 --> 00:15:03,502
guy is a really sensational floor guy.
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And you get a report like this,
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and now he looks to the homeowner.
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He looks like an expert, right?
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He's got all these. He's got to go.
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He's got.
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Yeah, he's got all these.
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He's got a fancy name.
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He's got all these certificates
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after his name,
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you know, consultant and blah blah blah,
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senior inspector
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and all these different things
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that make you feel like,
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wow, he must be the man.
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00:15:23,455 --> 00:15:26,959
Well, I mean, just looking at his is,
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00:15:27,693 --> 00:15:28,694
inspection real quick.
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It didn't take me very long to go through
514
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it and just pick it apart,
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so.
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But to the consumer.
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Wow.
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00:15:36,702 --> 00:15:38,037
Look, now you look like,
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oh, this expert told me that my floor guy
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did all these things wrong
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and is is report is wrong.
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So.
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00:15:45,911 --> 00:15:47,346
So I guess there's several things
524
00:15:47,346 --> 00:15:49,481
I'm trying to see in this podcast
525
00:15:49,481 --> 00:15:53,485
and we're trying to say is that one,
526
00:15:55,154 --> 00:15:56,555
just because it's engineered flaws
527
00:15:56,555 --> 00:15:58,090
don't mean that you don't have to follow
528
00:15:58,090 --> 00:15:58,857
all the protocol
529
00:15:58,857 --> 00:15:59,692
is you really that
530
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that, you know, the industry guidelines,
531
00:16:02,094 --> 00:16:05,097
you can have issues with them.
532
00:16:46,638 --> 00:16:47,039
Well,
533
00:16:47,039 --> 00:16:48,007
it certainly depends,
534
00:16:48,007 --> 00:16:48,807
I think depends
535
00:16:48,807 --> 00:16:50,175
so much on where you live,
536
00:16:50,175 --> 00:16:53,178
because I think the engineered floors
537
00:16:53,178 --> 00:16:54,413
can handle too much moisture
538
00:16:54,413 --> 00:16:55,514
better than they can handle.
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00:16:55,514 --> 00:16:57,182
Handle not enough moisture.
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Like if you're up in the high desert
541
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areas of the country.
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00:17:01,220 --> 00:17:02,621
You know, certainly
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00:17:02,621 --> 00:17:04,723
there's got to be consideration, right?
544
00:17:04,723 --> 00:17:06,859
So knowing your, your area that you live
545
00:17:06,859 --> 00:17:08,127
we talked about
546
00:17:08,127 --> 00:17:09,328
on the last podcast
547
00:17:09,328 --> 00:17:10,429
about even wood filling
548
00:17:10,429 --> 00:17:13,432
discussions is regional.
549
00:17:13,499 --> 00:17:14,533
You know what I mean?
550
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So, hey,
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00:17:15,934 --> 00:17:18,504
you could take the a great contractor
552
00:17:18,504 --> 00:17:19,538
in Michigan, like,
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00:17:19,538 --> 00:17:21,473
take a stud contractor Michigan,
554
00:17:21,473 --> 00:17:23,542
move him down to Florida.
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00:17:23,542 --> 00:17:24,476
And he has it change
556
00:17:24,476 --> 00:17:27,479
the way he does things and vice versa.
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00:17:27,746 --> 00:17:28,514
Right.
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00:17:28,514 --> 00:17:29,148
And it's
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00:17:29,148 --> 00:17:30,983
because what is it is,
560
00:17:30,983 --> 00:17:31,850
you know, it's it's
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00:17:31,850 --> 00:17:32,885
a product of nature
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00:17:32,885 --> 00:17:37,089
and it's, you know, it's
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00:17:37,556 --> 00:17:39,558
the environment is so, so, so
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00:17:39,558 --> 00:17:40,526
and this inspection
565
00:17:40,526 --> 00:17:42,494
is really an environmental to me
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with the outside
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possibility of, yes.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
570
00:18:44,957 --> 00:18:46,291
Yeah.
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Document.
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Document. Document.
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00:18:49,495 --> 00:18:49,995
You know,
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00:18:49,995 --> 00:18:52,998
no matter what I think is smart to have,
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to have documentation
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00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,768
on, on, on readings for your,
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for, for the,
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00:18:58,003 --> 00:18:58,737
the subfloor
579
00:18:58,737 --> 00:19:00,606
before you put the floor down.
580
00:19:00,606 --> 00:19:02,307
You know, we have a
581
00:19:02,307 --> 00:19:03,976
we a flow is an
582
00:19:03,976 --> 00:19:06,945
unlimited moisture protection, but
583
00:19:07,613 --> 00:19:09,047
I still think and I'd say this,
584
00:19:09,047 --> 00:19:09,948
no matter what shirt
585
00:19:09,948 --> 00:19:11,183
I was wearing right now, no matter
586
00:19:11,183 --> 00:19:12,417
what manufacturer I was working for,
587
00:19:12,417 --> 00:19:13,852
I would tell you the same thing.
588
00:19:13,852 --> 00:19:15,587
I still think it's important to document
589
00:19:15,587 --> 00:19:17,756
only because of things like this.
590
00:19:17,756 --> 00:19:18,557
Because, you know, I mean,
591
00:19:18,557 --> 00:19:19,324
you get an inspector
592
00:19:19,324 --> 00:19:20,325
with all these titles
593
00:19:20,325 --> 00:19:21,493
after him, say,
594
00:19:21,493 --> 00:19:22,861
well, you didn't test well,
595
00:19:22,861 --> 00:19:24,329
my adhesive says I don't have to.
596
00:19:24,329 --> 00:19:26,398
Well, now you've got
597
00:19:26,398 --> 00:19:27,733
now you've got maybe might win.
598
00:19:27,733 --> 00:19:28,667
Maybe you won't win.
599
00:19:28,667 --> 00:19:29,668
You know what I mean?
600
00:19:29,668 --> 00:19:31,703
I just think to cover yourself
601
00:19:31,703 --> 00:19:33,505
that that it's just this.
602
00:19:33,505 --> 00:19:34,640
And, you know,
603
00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:35,507
you certainly don't want to say
604
00:19:35,507 --> 00:19:37,042
you didn't test right.
605
00:19:37,042 --> 00:19:37,342
You know?
606
00:19:37,342 --> 00:19:41,113
So, just make sure you document
607
00:19:41,113 --> 00:19:42,714
as much as you possibly can
608
00:19:42,714 --> 00:19:44,583
to, to help yourself out.
609
00:19:44,583 --> 00:19:47,786
And, because, like I said, you could be
610
00:19:48,086 --> 00:19:49,288
and we've all seen it before.
611
00:19:49,288 --> 00:19:50,022
Anybody ever
612
00:19:50,022 --> 00:19:51,456
is old enough to remember the O.J.
613
00:19:51,456 --> 00:19:52,591
Simpson trial.
614
00:19:52,591 --> 00:19:54,092
You can take the guy who's, like,
615
00:19:54,092 --> 00:19:55,727
supposed to be great at his job
616
00:19:55,727 --> 00:19:57,029
and and then a police officer
617
00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:59,231
or whatever for 30 years or whatever,
618
00:19:59,231 --> 00:20:00,566
and then boom, boom, boom.
619
00:20:00,566 --> 00:20:01,233
Did you do this?
620
00:20:01,233 --> 00:20:02,968
Did you do that? Did you do this?
621
00:20:02,968 --> 00:20:04,736
And he gets on trial, looks like,
622
00:20:04,736 --> 00:20:05,337
oh, the guy.
623
00:20:05,337 --> 00:20:07,406
Are you so incompetent? It's crazy.
624
00:20:07,406 --> 00:20:07,973
You know what I mean?
625
00:20:07,973 --> 00:20:09,975
Because you didn't document it.
626
00:20:09,975 --> 00:20:12,211
You don't have this. You don't have that.
627
00:20:12,211 --> 00:20:13,478
And it's their job here.
628
00:20:13,478 --> 00:20:15,747
Our job is is is in the field. Right.
629
00:20:15,747 --> 00:20:16,915
We know for that's
630
00:20:16,915 --> 00:20:18,550
where our comfort zone is.
631
00:20:18,550 --> 00:20:19,718
And attorneys comfort zone
632
00:20:19,718 --> 00:20:21,086
is in that in that courtroom,
633
00:20:22,688 --> 00:20:25,691
you know, so.
634
00:20:45,210 --> 00:20:48,213
Really?
635
00:20:51,149 --> 00:20:52,784
Okay.
636
00:20:52,784 --> 00:20:55,787
Okay.
637
00:20:56,488 --> 00:20:56,788
Yeah.
638
00:20:56,788 --> 00:20:59,791
Out of his mind.
639
00:21:23,315 --> 00:21:26,318
Yeah.
640
00:21:27,819 --> 00:21:30,822
Wow.
641
00:21:30,956 --> 00:21:32,391
Wow.
642
00:21:32,391 --> 00:21:35,394
Yeah.
643
00:21:39,164 --> 00:21:42,167
It.
644
00:21:43,602 --> 00:21:45,137
In my lifetime.
645
00:21:45,137 --> 00:21:46,638
You look at things,
646
00:21:46,638 --> 00:21:49,074
and this was before all social media.
647
00:21:49,074 --> 00:21:51,276
So what has captivated the
648
00:21:51,276 --> 00:21:53,078
the whole country?
649
00:21:53,078 --> 00:21:57,449
That's got to be in the top five easily.
650
00:21:58,216 --> 00:22:00,619
I was in the, I remember
651
00:22:00,619 --> 00:22:03,255
working out in the gym, obviously,
652
00:22:03,255 --> 00:22:04,323
where else would I be at that time?
653
00:22:04,323 --> 00:22:05,657
In my 20s,
654
00:22:05,657 --> 00:22:07,025
as I was getting
655
00:22:07,025 --> 00:22:08,560
getting ready to go to disco,
656
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,062
getting the arms right?
657
00:22:10,062 --> 00:22:10,662
Yeah,
658
00:22:10,662 --> 00:22:11,630
I was probably don't
659
00:22:11,630 --> 00:22:13,098
throw don't triceps on that day,
660
00:22:13,098 --> 00:22:14,733
if I remember correctly.
661
00:22:14,733 --> 00:22:17,736
And,
662
00:22:18,236 --> 00:22:21,039
the whole world was watching that, so.
663
00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:22,207
Yep.
664
00:22:22,207 --> 00:22:22,474
All right.
665
00:22:22,474 --> 00:22:25,477
What else can we.
666
00:22:25,644 --> 00:22:26,712
Yeah.
667
00:22:26,712 --> 00:22:29,014
Yeah,
668
00:22:29,014 --> 00:22:29,781
that's what we,
669
00:22:29,781 --> 00:22:30,449
that's that's what
670
00:22:30,449 --> 00:22:31,817
we were watching in the gym.
671
00:22:31,817 --> 00:22:33,352
The whole gym. Every. Stop working out,
672
00:22:34,386 --> 00:22:34,986
you know.
673
00:22:34,986 --> 00:22:37,189
And we're watching that, that Bronco
674
00:22:37,189 --> 00:22:38,523
driving down, the freeway,
675
00:22:38,523 --> 00:22:40,926
I think the 4 or 5 or the five, whatever.
676
00:22:40,926 --> 00:22:43,929
And, slow motion chase.
677
00:22:43,929 --> 00:22:46,932
Yeah, it was crazy.
678
00:22:49,334 --> 00:22:51,803
All right.
679
00:22:51,803 --> 00:22:52,104
All right.
680
00:22:52,104 --> 00:22:55,107
So I,
681
00:22:59,544 --> 00:23:02,514
And.
682
00:23:13,191 --> 00:23:14,626
Yeah, yeah.
683
00:23:14,626 --> 00:23:15,026
True.
684
00:23:15,026 --> 00:23:17,596
And and so I'm not advocating.
685
00:23:17,596 --> 00:23:19,164
Excuse me for engineered or solid.
686
00:23:19,164 --> 00:23:19,564
I'm not.
687
00:23:19,564 --> 00:23:20,665
I'm not taking,
688
00:23:20,665 --> 00:23:21,366
you know, everybody,
689
00:23:21,366 --> 00:23:23,034
everything has its place.
690
00:23:23,034 --> 00:23:25,604
But I'm just saying that,
691
00:23:25,604 --> 00:23:26,204
again,
692
00:23:26,204 --> 00:23:28,407
it goes back to your contracts as well,
693
00:23:28,407 --> 00:23:29,174
that if you already
694
00:23:29,174 --> 00:23:30,976
if you had this in the contract,
695
00:23:30,976 --> 00:23:32,744
it wouldn't be a discussion right now.
696
00:23:32,744 --> 00:23:34,045
You know, here's how you clean,
697
00:23:34,045 --> 00:23:36,081
here's how you maintain the floors.
698
00:23:36,081 --> 00:23:37,482
Because this person was using water
699
00:23:37,482 --> 00:23:39,885
in a mop to maintain the floor, okay.
700
00:23:39,885 --> 00:23:41,953
Which can absolutely contribute
701
00:23:41,953 --> 00:23:44,189
to the issues on the job.
702
00:23:44,189 --> 00:23:46,758
If you had a discussion
703
00:23:46,758 --> 00:23:48,593
about maintaining the, the,
704
00:23:48,593 --> 00:23:50,896
the if you had it written down, rather
705
00:23:50,896 --> 00:23:52,564
not because I know we had the discussion,
706
00:23:52,564 --> 00:23:53,398
but if he had something
707
00:23:53,398 --> 00:23:54,599
in writing somewhere
708
00:23:54,599 --> 00:23:55,133
that here
709
00:23:55,133 --> 00:23:56,001
we talked about this,
710
00:23:56,001 --> 00:23:57,068
it's in the contract.
711
00:23:57,068 --> 00:23:58,437
You're responsible for maintaining
712
00:23:58,437 --> 00:23:59,905
the RH in the House and the
713
00:23:59,905 --> 00:24:02,441
and the the temperature and everything.
714
00:24:02,441 --> 00:24:03,675
These things,
715
00:24:03,675 --> 00:24:04,609
these conversations are a
716
00:24:04,609 --> 00:24:06,311
whole lot easier, right?
717
00:24:06,311 --> 00:24:08,447
So,
718
00:24:18,590 --> 00:24:19,991
That's very, very true.
719
00:24:19,991 --> 00:24:21,493
Yeah,
720
00:24:21,493 --> 00:24:24,496
yeah.
721
00:24:26,364 --> 00:24:29,334
Yeah.
722
00:24:29,668 --> 00:24:31,837
Yeah,
723
00:24:31,837 --> 00:24:34,840
yeah.
724
00:24:43,748 --> 00:24:44,916
I
725
00:24:44,916 --> 00:24:47,919
I'm.
726
00:25:12,711 --> 00:25:15,714
Yeah.
727
00:25:17,782 --> 00:25:20,785
Yeah.
728
00:25:22,020 --> 00:25:24,489
The the
729
00:25:24,489 --> 00:25:25,657
and the thing is, you probably.
730
00:25:25,657 --> 00:25:27,592
You
731
00:25:27,592 --> 00:25:28,793
you got a lot going against you
732
00:25:28,793 --> 00:25:30,395
because you're the expert, right?
733
00:25:30,395 --> 00:25:30,996
Because they didn't
734
00:25:30,996 --> 00:25:32,063
all the consumer didn't know.
735
00:25:32,063 --> 00:25:32,998
You're the expert that knew.
736
00:25:32,998 --> 00:25:33,331
So yeah.
737
00:25:33,331 --> 00:25:34,699
Already you're kind of like
738
00:25:34,699 --> 00:25:35,166
no matter
739
00:25:35,166 --> 00:25:36,902
what, you've got one leg in the
740
00:25:36,902 --> 00:25:38,236
in the fire.
741
00:25:38,236 --> 00:25:39,604
Before you go any further.
742
00:25:39,604 --> 00:25:40,472
And like I said,
743
00:25:40,472 --> 00:25:41,039
even if you're right,
744
00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:42,641
you have no idea where it's going to go.
745
00:25:42,641 --> 00:25:43,675
You know, you just don't know.
746
00:25:43,675 --> 00:25:44,976
And, the,
747
00:25:44,976 --> 00:25:47,579
you know, that stress in your life,
748
00:25:47,579 --> 00:25:49,748
man, you don't need it, man.
749
00:25:49,748 --> 00:25:51,249
It's it's hard
750
00:25:51,249 --> 00:25:53,285
being end up being in business,
751
00:25:53,285 --> 00:25:54,386
without having to come
752
00:25:54,386 --> 00:25:54,986
through this stuff.
753
00:25:54,986 --> 00:25:55,554
And like I said,
754
00:25:55,554 --> 00:25:57,355
this guy is a stud for guy, man.
755
00:25:57,355 --> 00:25:59,424
He's a really, really good floor guy.
756
00:25:59,424 --> 00:26:01,593
And I know he does everything.
757
00:26:01,593 --> 00:26:02,060
Everything
758
00:26:02,060 --> 00:26:03,428
in the best interest of his client.
759
00:26:03,428 --> 00:26:04,195
He always does
760
00:26:04,195 --> 00:26:06,264
is he just got a guy he's always been.
761
00:26:06,264 --> 00:26:07,265
And no matter what, he,
762
00:26:07,265 --> 00:26:08,366
you know, he he's going to,
763
00:26:08,366 --> 00:26:09,534
you know, take care of everything.
764
00:26:09,534 --> 00:26:12,504
But, you know, just interesting
765
00:26:12,504 --> 00:26:15,073
and also just I'm mad about the report,
766
00:26:16,041 --> 00:26:18,143
because I just think,
767
00:26:18,143 --> 00:26:19,244
you know,
768
00:26:19,244 --> 00:26:21,313
if you call yourself an inspector,
769
00:26:21,313 --> 00:26:21,846
you better be.
770
00:26:21,846 --> 00:26:22,147
Damn.
771
00:26:22,147 --> 00:26:24,716
Will be good enough to be an inspector
772
00:26:24,716 --> 00:26:25,917
and do your due diligence
773
00:26:25,917 --> 00:26:28,920
and do things the right way.
774
00:26:41,032 --> 00:26:44,035
Back in the old days.
775
00:26:56,748 --> 00:26:59,751
Well, at.
776
00:27:01,653 --> 00:27:04,656
Yeah.
777
00:27:11,162 --> 00:27:14,165
Yeah.
778
00:27:22,107 --> 00:27:22,707
Yeah.
779
00:27:22,707 --> 00:27:23,675
I, listen,
780
00:27:23,675 --> 00:27:24,976
I wouldn't want to be part of an industry
781
00:27:24,976 --> 00:27:26,745
that didn't have inspectors. Inspectors?
782
00:27:26,745 --> 00:27:27,112
You know what I mean.
783
00:27:27,112 --> 00:27:28,680
It didn't have standards, right?
784
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:29,614
I mean, you obviously
785
00:27:29,614 --> 00:27:30,415
want to have standards
786
00:27:30,415 --> 00:27:32,717
and I think guys are doing by and large,
787
00:27:32,717 --> 00:27:34,653
they inspect themselves, right?
788
00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:35,453
I mean,
789
00:27:35,453 --> 00:27:37,589
you know, if you're doing work
790
00:27:37,589 --> 00:27:40,592
any good, just put a floor on Instagram,
791
00:27:41,526 --> 00:27:42,627
watch all you guys
792
00:27:42,627 --> 00:27:45,630
pile on.
793
00:28:04,983 --> 00:28:05,417
Yeah.
794
00:28:05,417 --> 00:28:05,984
Yeah.
795
00:28:05,984 --> 00:28:07,152
Yeah, yeah.
796
00:28:07,152 --> 00:28:10,155
The.
797
00:28:13,491 --> 00:28:15,193
Yeah.
798
00:28:15,193 --> 00:28:17,495
Well,
799
00:28:17,495 --> 00:28:19,731
yes,
800
00:28:19,731 --> 00:28:21,800
it is my personal opinion
801
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,501
that if you have not been behind
802
00:28:23,501 --> 00:28:26,604
the standard for at least ten years,
803
00:28:26,604 --> 00:28:28,540
you shouldn't be,
804
00:28:28,540 --> 00:28:29,908
inspecting stand and finish work.
805
00:28:31,242 --> 00:28:34,245
It's my opinion though.
806
00:29:01,406 --> 00:29:04,375
Have they been getting lessons?
807
00:29:45,283 --> 00:29:48,286
That we've laid.
808
00:29:52,223 --> 00:29:52,824
Yeah.
809
00:29:52,824 --> 00:29:55,794
Yeah.
810
00:29:56,961 --> 00:29:59,964
Yeah.
811
00:30:01,166 --> 00:30:04,169
Nice.
812
00:30:04,502 --> 00:30:07,205
Wait a minute.
813
00:30:07,205 --> 00:30:08,339
He's not doing floors anymore
814
00:30:08,339 --> 00:30:11,342
I, I thought he's retired.
815
00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:12,443
Okay.
816
00:30:12,443 --> 00:30:13,511
Oh okay.
817
00:30:13,511 --> 00:30:15,213
Retired or something.
818
00:30:15,213 --> 00:30:17,215
Yeah I, I yeah.
819
00:30:17,215 --> 00:30:19,083
Okay.
820
00:30:19,083 --> 00:30:22,086
Yeah.
821
00:30:36,968 --> 00:30:39,971
Yeah.
822
00:31:02,994 --> 00:31:05,997
Yeah.
823
00:31:07,732 --> 00:31:08,499
Yeah.
824
00:31:08,499 --> 00:31:11,302
Totally.
825
00:31:11,302 --> 00:31:14,305
Yeah.
826
00:31:15,607 --> 00:31:16,808
Well what
827
00:31:16,808 --> 00:31:19,811
what is he, some kind of sissy.
828
00:31:25,483 --> 00:31:26,451
That's pretty funny.
829
00:31:26,451 --> 00:31:29,454
That's true though.
830
00:31:30,088 --> 00:31:33,091
Yeah.
831
00:31:33,658 --> 00:31:36,661
Yep yep yep.
832
00:31:37,328 --> 00:31:38,296
I'll say to this day,
833
00:31:38,296 --> 00:31:39,597
the cleanest was organized
834
00:31:39,597 --> 00:31:41,199
than I have ever been in my life.
835
00:31:41,199 --> 00:31:41,699
Is blond.
836
00:31:41,699 --> 00:31:44,702
Erin. She's.
837
00:31:45,136 --> 00:31:47,105
Yeah, but
838
00:31:47,105 --> 00:31:48,306
I've seen some nice things,
839
00:31:48,306 --> 00:31:51,142
but put together, clean, organize.
840
00:31:51,142 --> 00:31:53,378
I got to give it to Erin on that one.
841
00:31:53,378 --> 00:31:56,381
Yep.
842
00:31:59,183 --> 00:31:59,417
Oh.
843
00:31:59,417 --> 00:32:01,853
No kidding. Well, that tracks. Yeah.
844
00:32:01,853 --> 00:32:03,988
Yeah, he's he's good.
845
00:32:03,988 --> 00:32:05,490
So cool.
846
00:32:05,490 --> 00:32:06,024
All right.
847
00:32:06,024 --> 00:32:07,792
Well thank you Rob. Appreciate it.
848
00:32:07,792 --> 00:32:08,726
And, again
849
00:32:08,726 --> 00:32:10,228
I'm gonna throw it out there again
850
00:32:10,228 --> 00:32:12,964
I have a contract if anybody wants it.
851
00:32:12,964 --> 00:32:14,065
They just gotta email me.
852
00:32:14,065 --> 00:32:15,500
I send you a copy of it.
853
00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:18,269
It talks about reaching the customers.
854
00:32:18,269 --> 00:32:19,737
Responsibilities.
855
00:32:19,737 --> 00:32:22,473
Is that any other,
856
00:32:27,145 --> 00:32:29,781
He
857
00:32:29,781 --> 00:32:30,415
he ain't I.
858
00:32:30,415 --> 00:32:30,949
And it's
859
00:32:30,949 --> 00:32:32,550
especially when you tweaked it with the,
860
00:32:32,550 --> 00:32:34,686
adding the, shifter to it.
861
00:32:34,686 --> 00:32:36,888
Yeah.
862
00:32:36,888 --> 00:32:40,925
Wayne, that highlander@bonner.com.
863
00:32:41,192 --> 00:32:43,895
We need
864
00:32:43,895 --> 00:32:46,898
landers@bonner.com.
865
00:32:47,231 --> 00:32:48,333
And hey, thanks for listening.
866
00:32:48,333 --> 00:32:49,300
We appreciate everybody.
867
00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:49,734
We have
868
00:32:49,734 --> 00:32:51,269
we have fun,
869
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:52,870
doing this once a week or so.
870
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:53,771
So appreciate it.
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We listening on behalf of me and Rob.
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It's been another episode of On the Floor
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with Wayne and Rob.
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Please stay tuned for another episode.