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Hello, and welcome to
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another episode
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of On the Floor with Wayne
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and brought by Wayne Highlander
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with Bowen adhesives.
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I'm Rob Johnson with the bone
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a training Rob.
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Let's get right to it today.
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We don't have a lot of time
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because it's.
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Got to get going here.
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So let's get moving.
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No fooling around. Let's.
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All right.
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Sit down. Do this.
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Yeah. Okay. I'm ready.
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Rob, would you bid this in an finish job
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that has wall to wall carpet down
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and give them a definite price?
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It's a it's a it's a 40 year old home.
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It's 3000ft².
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It's wall to wall carpet.
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Comes in okay shape.
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Whatever.
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Would you give them a, definite number?
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Here's my price.
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This. Enter and finish your floor.
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Without looking,
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without pulling some of the carpet.
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Yeah. No.
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Exactly, exactly.
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And so why would you do
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a job on a concrete slab
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without testing for moisture
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or getting to know
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something about that slab?
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I want to talk about slabs of moisture
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for just a little bit.
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And I'm going to preface this with,
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two stories.
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One, when I was in the Laborers Union,
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I was, you know, I,
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I was the furthest away
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from doing floors and had.
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No, that floors was not even on my radar
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screen yet.
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I was in labor union,
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and we poured concrete.
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We placed concrete all the time.
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And, this is a typical scenario.
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Concrete truck is coming.
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It's been raining for three days.
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Concrete truck is on the way.
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And,
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you know, we're getting ready
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to, you know, the
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the finishers are waiting on us.
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The trucks are on the way,
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and we're just going to do a last minute
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things to get ready.
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The plastic has been laid down.
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Okay? The six mil poly. Okay.
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Very common that we pick up stakes,
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rebar stakes
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and start poking holes in the plastic
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and let the water run out, okay?
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Because we didn't want to walk in
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in the sludge.
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You know,
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all the water was accumulated
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on the plastic.
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Now, it was nothing malicious about that.
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None of us that, you know,
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we were laborers.
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We're making our life easier.
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We have no idea
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what is what
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the ramifications of doing that
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I have never known to this day.
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And they're not getting
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the flooring industry. Okay.
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So we have now, made it very easy
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for that water
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to, to make its way up through the slab.
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Okay.
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I mean,
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it couldn't be a worse
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thing to do for a slab.
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Floored guy.
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Would never know that.
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He would never know that that happen.
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Also,
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the other thing
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we would do on the job site is the
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when the when the truck arrived
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at the plant,
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it may have put in the correct water
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to some cement ratio.
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They are they do a swim test or whatever,
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but not by the time
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we got done with it, because inevitably
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somebody would jump up in the truck.
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There's always a water hose on the truck.
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And, you know,
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we dropped the chutes down.
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The concrete truck is there,
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and the mud, as we call it, starts
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coming down the chute.
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And it's slow
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and it's we're staring at like it's
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taking forever to come down that chute.
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Now, you know, we had time for that.
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Yeah.
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So when we jump up in the truck,
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take the hose, start
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squirting water in the truck,
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you would hear
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an audible
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slurry change
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as the concrete mix was going around.
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And now to send that concrete,
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maybe it's laden.
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It's coming out of there real fast.
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We can vibrate it quicker,
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we shovel it quicker.
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Our job just got exponentially easier.
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Again, nothing about that was malicious.
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We were making our life easier.
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The lorry stop for a second.
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Yeah.
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Did you just call it cement?
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I don't know if I did or not.
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You did. Did I?
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You said cement.
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I don't remember.
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So I guess you used to like to watch the,
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The Beverly Hillbillies
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because. We ain't got.
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That's what they all talk. That's what.
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That's what they called their pool
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cement pond.
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Okay,
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you're the only other person I ever heard
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say cement.
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Except for Jed and Jethro Bodine.
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I don't see. Me saying that, but.
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Okay. Yeah, right.
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Cement truck, the cement.
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Okay. The concrete truck, whatever.
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But look what we've done to that slab.
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To that slab.
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Now, we've made it very concrete.
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We've, we've put infinite water supplies
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for for that water to come through
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that do that concrete. Okay.
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So our there's a.
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By spraying the water on there
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to making it
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easier to flow in everything.
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What does that do that.
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Oh, we, Yeah. Porous.
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We've made the concrete much more porous
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and allows the water
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to migrate up through that concrete
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much easier. Okay.
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So anybody ever tell
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you guys don't do that?
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You're construction.
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We don't. Yeah.
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Nobody cares.
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I mean, you know what I mean?
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I mean, there's a in the scheme of things
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you should do it crew that I worked with,
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I mean, a scary group of guys.
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We're union and we had a hump.
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We had to go. There was no time for it.
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I mean, it was the roughest
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crowd I've ever been around.
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So next thing, fast forward.
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I'm on a job one time,
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and this isn't related to concrete,
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but it's kind of the same thing.
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I was going to be.
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I was going to lay my floor
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in a couple weeks. Was being dropped off.
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It's actually being restricted
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and what have you.
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And, just went by the job,
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just to see if they're on schedule
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and everything ready for us.
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When I go in there
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in the living room, there's two tiles
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I was running.
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Guys.
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Guys are cutting tile
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for the for the bathrooms
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and the kitchen counters,
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and there's water all over my floor.
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And I not stopped by that day
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because I had been doing tests
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along the way that, hey,
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it's pretty good shape, you know?
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You know, having to, like, should
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had I not stopped
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by there that day
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and seeing that water right there.
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Well, I would have never known
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we didn't have products like Roll guard
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in our 540 back back in those days,
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which to me is,
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meant to have something
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that protects up to 20%.
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And the wood subfloor is,
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I think, just phenomenal, okay.
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To using those products.
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So let's go back to concrete slabs.
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If you look at all the all
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the sources of moisture
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that can come through a concrete slab
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between the two of us, we have 65 years
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of doing
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floors or more,
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probably more,
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probably 80, closer to 80 years,
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every bit close to 80 years,
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maybe even 90 years.
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How long have you been
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in the flooring business?
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I've been doing floors for 49 years.
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Next year will be my fifth. I started
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I officially
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started getting paid in 1976.
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Okay, so next year will be 50 years.
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I think. And look at me.
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Look at just look like I'm in my 30s.
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Of course. Look at this.
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So together we've done
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floors over 90 years.
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That's another.
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But you can.
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Look at the slab
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and you as as much experience
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as you have,
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you can do slabs day in and day out.
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And you do not know
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anything about that slab by looking at
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you don't know how much moisture is in.
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It doesn't matter how old the home is,
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you have no idea
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if they've added additives to the slab
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that can affect your drying.
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If there's a sealer on the slab
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just by looking at it,
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you can't tell if there's,
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I mean, all the artificial, the, the,
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the broken pipes, the irrigation problem
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hundred of
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what kind of curing
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they did on that slab, which, by the way,
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several different ways to cure slabs.
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Most of them aren't good for us.
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You know, a lot of
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times they'll just run,
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pour running water on
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top of that slab constantly to keep it
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from drying out and cracking.
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Sometimes they'll put,
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curing compounds on it.
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I used to do both of those.
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We used to wet them all day long.
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Just a dummy
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go out there and with that slab,
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wondering what the slab.
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So, hey, do I put curing?
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Curing as my father,
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I was only only
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you know me by two,
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two names
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and I can't pronounce the other one.
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It's.
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I can't see, but I'll get in trouble.
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So my Uncle Fred used to call me
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Man Mountain. Dean.
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Man mountain Dean.
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Man mountain. Dean. Yeah.
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Yeah,
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it's a hell of a name to put on somebody.
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He said I look like some old time
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professional wrestler.
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That was like a farm boy, man.
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Mountain Dean I see it.
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And that was my, that was my nickname.
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Yeah. Nice.
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Yeah, it was a nice nickname.
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It was a, you know.
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Yeah,
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it was better than Howdy
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Doody, which was a they put it on me.
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That's why I had a
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I got the fight with
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a guy over that actually twice.
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So.
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Okay, so,
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spills concrete batch water curing
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water irrigation, broken
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pipes, all
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capillary rise slabs of some slab vapor
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dew point.
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I mean, there's
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there's like 11 different things
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that could be on that slab
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that you have no idea.
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And that's scary to me, right?
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I mean, we came out
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with, mono quantum flow adhesive
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that was,
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unlimited moisture protection.
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What I see sometimes the people will say,
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gosh, yeah,
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we love
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adhesive, and we use it all the time.
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If you look at it,
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not a lot of moisture protection there.
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It might be fine on on this job,
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this job, this job, this job.
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And then you get to that one will
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you need the horsepower?
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And it's just not there.
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I you look at the cost of,
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flooring today.
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You can pass this cost on.
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I mean, I gosh, I also, I think our art,
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cost of the heat
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has come down
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way cheaper than it ever has been before.
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With our different
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techniques and methods and what have you,
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so many different reasons
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why I won't get into them, but, so,
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so I now look at slabs like this,
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I approach,
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I approach every slab
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like there's contaminants on it,
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and the moisture is too high,
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and it needs to prove me
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that it's not going to make my job fail.
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And I know
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it takes
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time to do moisture testing or what
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have you.
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Or if you're not going
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to do moisture testing,
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certainly use
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an adhesive
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that has great moisture capabilities.
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So when I talk again, I see, you know,
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so many guys doing,
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you know, I'm on Instagram and Facebook
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and all the time or whatever.
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And and I see guys
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doing jobs on slabs
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and I think you cannot afford a failure.
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You can't afford it.
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So and I think they said
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like the average cost of a, of
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a redo on a slab,
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if you have to turn the
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slab out and redo it over.
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Excuse me.
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It's like seven times
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the initial cost of doing the job.
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So
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I think one of the main reasons
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here's the reasons
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why light for testing or whatever
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I still think is
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even though we have very limited,
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I would say the same thing
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no matter what shirt
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I have on, okay,
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no matter what manufacturer I work for,
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I will say this to the day I die,
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it makes sense to test.
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It's not a bad idea to test, right?
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That way
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you know what you're dealing with.
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And also you can
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you can charge for, you know,
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justifying, adding the moisture
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barriers and this,
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that and the other more
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should be charges onto the slab.
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So there's two great
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reasons for me to test.
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One is that it's peace of mind.
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I don't want to be laying in bed at night
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when it is a monsoon rain in Texas,
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and it's been raining
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for three days straight.
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And we
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we have a rep
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that works for us from Texas
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that came from a different world.
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And
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the concrete slabs down there,
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I don't know, I'm
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not fitting anybody in Texas
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because man is atrocious to me.
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Not I'm not nuts,
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guys in the flooring industry.
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I'm talking about the guys who
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who place concrete on slabs in homes.
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Now you've got crazy rain seasons
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down there.
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I don't want to be laying in bed
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worrying about my $65,000 floor,
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that it might be
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affected by the moisture.
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I don't want to do that to myself
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or my business.
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So I think it's so important, that we
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take these things into consideration.
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The other reason
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I think it's important to test
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or or using adhesive
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that that has the horsepower is because,
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the other guys don't.
431
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Right.
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So if another guy is three guys
433
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on the job, you're the homeowner.
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Two guys just give you a number.
435
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Whatever the other guy comes in
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and does a test,
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does an RH test on the job
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or whatever, he's
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very methodical about it.
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He explains exactly why, whatever
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who he thinks will get that job.
442
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That guy's going to get that job.
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Now I'm going to throw a monkey wrench
444
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into this whole thing.
445
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Please do.
446
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Okay, let's hear
447
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the the the end all and be all right.
448
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Now in the concrete world
449
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for testing is the RH test okay?
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Most people kind of,
451
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realize that the calcium chloride.
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Chloride test.
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Well, it is a,
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you know, it's a viable test
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is that it's
456
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kind of more of an outdated test.
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It's kind of like an x ray of the slab.
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Right?
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You just seeing what's going on
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in the very top of the slab,
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where an RH
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test is like an MRI of the slab.
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You're right.
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You're going down in the 40%,
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the depth of the slab,
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and you're getting more of a,
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you know, an understanding of really
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what's going on in that slab. Okay.
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I think if you get all the
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inspectors in the room,
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I think they're all going to agree
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on everything I just said. However,
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there's a guy now in the industry who's
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one of the most
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outspoken and the guys, he's
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the guy who's got more more, you know,
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he's very well known.
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He's got all kinds of credentials.
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Who says the RH test is absolute B.S.?
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Wow.
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Yes.
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He just says it's absolute total B.S..
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So yeah, it's interesting to me
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where he's coming from.
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But,
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what I, what I still think is
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this is the best technology
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we have in the industry right now.
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Who said. That?
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We know I will give the guy his name.
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Give me his initials.
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You don't care who is.
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And this is, you don't know the guy.
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I promise you don't.
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Oh, I don't know people, you know?
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Yeah, I get it.
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I'll, I'll bet you I'll bet you
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100 bucks you don't know him,
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so I believe you.
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Absolutely, I believe you.
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He's more
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well known in the commercial world.
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That's why, why is he so against us?
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I mean, that's all we.
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That's all we talk about in the schools
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is the RH test.
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That's the way to go. What. Yep.
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Yep. What's he bashing holes in it for.
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Yeah. He says it is
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completely wrong.
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Completely wrong.
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Test it.
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He's got 100 different reasons
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why it doesn't work, blah blah blah.
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But my
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my thing is
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it's the best test we have today.
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Right?
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And that's the industry standard
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and that's what the industry goes by.
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So that's what we have to go by.
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And and I'd recommend that everybody
523
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we go by.
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So until here further
525
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I think that's that's kind of
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that's where we're at right now.
527
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What about the other though.
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What about the meter?
529
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I know there's a meter out there.
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Yeah.
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So I think this is
532
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the meter is to me is good
533
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for, finding, you know, where it's
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high.
535
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Like, if I,
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what I would do is I take the meter
537
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going around different areas,
538
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I concentrate more on the outside walls,
539
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and I find a high spot.
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I would, I would, do my RH test there
541
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so I know there's other meters
542
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that can come out since then.
543
00:15:36,268 --> 00:15:38,270
What's wrong with your eyes right now?
544
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I told you, I just put drops in.
545
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Okay? All right.
546
00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:42,908
But but you want to.
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You want to do
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what they call quantitative test,
549
00:15:45,244 --> 00:15:47,012
which is the RH test or the,
550
00:15:47,012 --> 00:15:49,515
the calcium quite as what we have now,
551
00:15:49,515 --> 00:15:52,384
on the other test, the, qualitative tests
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I've heard
553
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I've heard
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00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:56,722
a few different things in my career.
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One of them that it smells right.
556
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I've actually heard from a guy
557
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I've been doing for a living.
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00:16:01,627 --> 00:16:02,695
He tells me I can tell
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when you know it smells right.
560
00:16:04,363 --> 00:16:06,665
I've heard that it looks dry,
561
00:16:06,665 --> 00:16:07,866
and I've heard that it
562
00:16:07,866 --> 00:16:09,435
if it's old enough, it should be.
563
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It's dry.
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I've even had somebody tell me
565
00:16:12,738 --> 00:16:14,106
that he can always tell
566
00:16:14,106 --> 00:16:16,775
and didn't expound on that. But.
567
00:16:16,775 --> 00:16:18,210
But those are the two tests
568
00:16:18,210 --> 00:16:19,244
that that is recognized
569
00:16:19,244 --> 00:16:20,079
by the end of the.
570
00:16:20,079 --> 00:16:23,048
Anyway. So,
571
00:16:23,048 --> 00:16:25,184
so I just thought it was important
572
00:16:25,184 --> 00:16:28,187
if even if you, if you don't test
573
00:16:28,287 --> 00:16:30,889
and you're not going to do testing
574
00:16:30,889 --> 00:16:31,490
or what have you,
575
00:16:31,490 --> 00:16:34,493
I still think it's it's important to,
576
00:16:34,660 --> 00:16:37,663
to, use a horsepower that,
577
00:16:38,030 --> 00:16:39,231
the adhesive
578
00:16:39,231 --> 00:16:40,299
that has the moisture protection
579
00:16:40,299 --> 00:16:41,100
that you want,
580
00:16:41,100 --> 00:16:42,668
you want for jobs like that.
581
00:16:42,668 --> 00:16:43,535
Like I said, we offer
582
00:16:43,535 --> 00:16:45,471
unlimited moisture protection with our
583
00:16:45,471 --> 00:16:48,507
with our, our, bonus quantum flow.
584
00:16:49,108 --> 00:16:50,009
The other one,
585
00:16:50,009 --> 00:16:53,012
our 851, goes up to 18 pounds and 95.
586
00:16:53,045 --> 00:16:54,179
But I'll say this.
587
00:16:57,816 --> 00:16:58,751
If you look at our adhesive
588
00:16:58,751 --> 00:17:00,819
also right out of the pail,
589
00:17:00,819 --> 00:17:02,688
using our standard trowel
590
00:17:02,688 --> 00:17:03,856
at about 50ft² per
591
00:17:03,856 --> 00:17:05,791
gallon, we give you 12 pounds and 85
592
00:17:05,791 --> 00:17:07,760
right out of the pail.
593
00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:08,861
If people do their math
594
00:17:08,861 --> 00:17:11,864
and do their research and look around
595
00:17:12,164 --> 00:17:13,799
at that square footage
596
00:17:13,799 --> 00:17:14,666
right out of the pail
597
00:17:14,666 --> 00:17:17,202
to give you that much moisture retention
598
00:17:17,202 --> 00:17:19,338
is very, very, very few and far between,
599
00:17:19,338 --> 00:17:20,339
if there's any
600
00:17:20,339 --> 00:17:22,007
that will give you that same protection.
601
00:17:22,007 --> 00:17:22,875
Okay.
602
00:17:22,875 --> 00:17:26,311
So, it's it's a great value.
603
00:17:26,311 --> 00:17:27,413
So let's, let's jump
604
00:17:27,413 --> 00:17:28,547
back to what you just said.
605
00:17:28,547 --> 00:17:30,649
Unlimited protection with flow.
606
00:17:30,649 --> 00:17:33,652
How do you achieve that?
607
00:17:34,253 --> 00:17:34,787
Well,
608
00:17:34,787 --> 00:17:36,155
you want to use our standard trowel
609
00:17:36,155 --> 00:17:39,758
that we say you have to use, which is,
610
00:17:40,259 --> 00:17:40,626
take it back.
611
00:17:40,626 --> 00:17:42,061
Not our standard trail, but our trowel.
612
00:17:42,061 --> 00:17:42,428
That gives
613
00:17:42,428 --> 00:17:44,563
you, our,
614
00:17:44,563 --> 00:17:46,365
that's about 30ft² per gallon.
615
00:17:46,365 --> 00:17:47,833
You can achieve it that way.
616
00:17:47,833 --> 00:17:52,438
Or you can use our, our five 41st
617
00:17:52,805 --> 00:17:54,973
and then use our, our 1250 trowel.
618
00:17:56,442 --> 00:17:57,910
Okay, so
619
00:17:57,910 --> 00:18:01,747
it's the MVP trowel or our 540.
620
00:18:01,747 --> 00:18:02,881
And at 1250.
621
00:18:02,881 --> 00:18:04,817
We got you two ways to get there. Yes.
622
00:18:04,817 --> 00:18:05,984
Okay. Yeah.
623
00:18:05,984 --> 00:18:07,586
And then above all,
624
00:18:07,586 --> 00:18:09,721
even when you're doing all that,
625
00:18:09,721 --> 00:18:10,489
I, you know,
626
00:18:10,489 --> 00:18:13,859
the rule still applies that you,
627
00:18:14,726 --> 00:18:16,295
you got to get the building
628
00:18:16,295 --> 00:18:18,263
ready for the flooring first.
629
00:18:18,263 --> 00:18:20,365
And no matter what adhesive you're using,
630
00:18:20,365 --> 00:18:21,633
I'd say you say, oh, these
631
00:18:21,633 --> 00:18:23,702
these are these are
632
00:18:23,702 --> 00:18:24,736
these are not bona rules.
633
00:18:24,736 --> 00:18:26,205
These are industry guidelines
634
00:18:26,205 --> 00:18:27,506
you get to building ready first.
635
00:18:27,506 --> 00:18:28,240
Make sure the building
636
00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:29,842
is acclimated first.
637
00:18:29,842 --> 00:18:31,643
Then you bring the wood in and acclimate
638
00:18:31,643 --> 00:18:32,578
the wood
639
00:18:32,578 --> 00:18:35,314
that the two biggest reasons for
640
00:18:35,314 --> 00:18:36,648
for failures on job
641
00:18:36,648 --> 00:18:39,251
when it comes to wood floors on on slabs,
642
00:18:39,251 --> 00:18:41,220
it's either moisture related
643
00:18:41,220 --> 00:18:42,354
or it's the floor
644
00:18:42,354 --> 00:18:44,022
subfloor not being flat. Right.
645
00:18:45,357 --> 00:18:46,125
And I think is
646
00:18:46,125 --> 00:18:47,926
it I think it was like 2018, the two,
647
00:18:47,926 --> 00:18:48,927
two of the biggest commercial
648
00:18:48,927 --> 00:18:50,629
flooring entities in our industry
649
00:18:50,629 --> 00:18:52,364
got together
650
00:18:52,364 --> 00:18:54,066
to talk about the two biggest challenges
651
00:18:54,066 --> 00:18:55,701
that they face.
652
00:18:55,701 --> 00:18:56,802
One of them was labor
653
00:18:56,802 --> 00:18:59,705
shortage that we all, you know, feeling.
654
00:18:59,705 --> 00:19:01,907
And the other one was moisture issues.
655
00:19:01,907 --> 00:19:05,777
So why in 2018 at the time?
656
00:19:06,245 --> 00:19:06,912
And, you know,
657
00:19:06,912 --> 00:19:07,946
you haven't seen a lot of changes
658
00:19:07,946 --> 00:19:09,148
since then,
659
00:19:09,148 --> 00:19:11,984
with all the technology and everything.
660
00:19:11,984 --> 00:19:13,452
Why is moisture
661
00:19:13,452 --> 00:19:14,386
their number one thing
662
00:19:14,386 --> 00:19:16,421
that they were concerned about?
663
00:19:16,421 --> 00:19:16,655
Right.
664
00:19:16,655 --> 00:19:17,856
The two biggest commercial companies
665
00:19:17,856 --> 00:19:18,690
out there.
666
00:19:18,690 --> 00:19:21,693
So again,
667
00:19:22,027 --> 00:19:24,062
for me, it's peace of mind if I
668
00:19:24,062 --> 00:19:25,164
if I'm laying in bed
669
00:19:25,164 --> 00:19:26,632
and it's been raining for three
670
00:19:26,632 --> 00:19:29,134
and I this I've, I've,
671
00:19:29,134 --> 00:19:31,103
I remember those days I mean even
672
00:19:31,103 --> 00:19:32,771
you know take the concrete out of there
673
00:19:32,771 --> 00:19:34,239
where we installed it.
674
00:19:34,239 --> 00:19:37,209
Eight inch plank in the house
675
00:19:37,209 --> 00:19:39,945
and I'm in California
676
00:19:39,945 --> 00:19:40,812
and it's been raining
677
00:19:40,812 --> 00:19:42,781
like 4 or 5 days straight,
678
00:19:42,781 --> 00:19:46,151
or you suddenly get a, the it
679
00:19:46,151 --> 00:19:47,786
gets freezing cold
680
00:19:47,786 --> 00:19:48,287
and all the sudden
681
00:19:48,287 --> 00:19:49,321
everybody kicks on their heaters
682
00:19:49,321 --> 00:19:50,222
real high.
683
00:19:50,222 --> 00:19:51,156
You know, we're in a way,
684
00:19:51,156 --> 00:19:52,324
we're like farmers, right?
685
00:19:52,324 --> 00:19:53,825
We're still so much affected by the
686
00:19:53,825 --> 00:19:56,361
by the, the, the,
687
00:19:56,361 --> 00:19:58,430
the relative humidity in the house
688
00:19:58,430 --> 00:20:00,365
and the, you know, those type of things.
689
00:20:00,365 --> 00:20:02,601
So I don't know,
690
00:20:02,601 --> 00:20:03,936
I think it's important to talk about
691
00:20:03,936 --> 00:20:05,737
just just reminder.
692
00:20:05,737 --> 00:20:06,638
And also we're coming
693
00:20:06,638 --> 00:20:07,539
into the winter season.
694
00:20:09,041 --> 00:20:11,143
What's going to happen.
695
00:20:11,143 --> 00:20:12,878
People are going to start getting calls
696
00:20:12,878 --> 00:20:13,845
that,
697
00:20:13,845 --> 00:20:15,247
you know, the the
698
00:20:15,247 --> 00:20:16,281
the floors are moving,
699
00:20:16,281 --> 00:20:17,082
shrinking a little bit
700
00:20:17,082 --> 00:20:18,717
because the heaters come on.
701
00:20:18,717 --> 00:20:19,952
And you're going to get those
702
00:20:19,952 --> 00:20:21,053
a lot of times guys
703
00:20:21,053 --> 00:20:23,388
a little pre-war in their customers.
704
00:20:23,388 --> 00:20:25,457
Hey, just reminder
705
00:20:25,457 --> 00:20:27,192
the heating season is coming up.
706
00:20:27,192 --> 00:20:27,693
You know,
707
00:20:27,693 --> 00:20:29,294
a small amount of shrinkage
708
00:20:29,294 --> 00:20:31,463
is is normal.
709
00:20:31,463 --> 00:20:34,233
And which to me
710
00:20:34,233 --> 00:20:36,034
they're my easy.
711
00:20:36,034 --> 00:20:39,004
Easy.
712
00:20:39,004 --> 00:20:40,739
So I just think it's,
713
00:20:40,739 --> 00:20:41,807
it's important
714
00:20:41,807 --> 00:20:43,475
to put as much information out there
715
00:20:43,475 --> 00:20:45,210
as you can to the consumers.
716
00:20:45,210 --> 00:20:46,845
So, that we're working for.
717
00:20:46,845 --> 00:20:49,114
So that's what we go back to.
718
00:20:49,114 --> 00:20:50,182
I want to go back to Flo
719
00:20:50,182 --> 00:20:51,416
before you keep rolling.
720
00:20:51,416 --> 00:20:53,352
Rolling here.
721
00:20:53,352 --> 00:20:54,686
The two ways
722
00:20:54,686 --> 00:20:56,588
to get the unlimited protection.
723
00:20:56,588 --> 00:20:58,357
One was the MVP trial,
724
00:20:58,357 --> 00:21:00,792
the other was R5 40 and the 1250.
725
00:21:00,792 --> 00:21:03,228
Is that R5 40 or rolled out
726
00:21:03,228 --> 00:21:05,264
or rolled out? Yeah. Yeah okay.
727
00:21:05,264 --> 00:21:05,597
All right.
728
00:21:05,597 --> 00:21:08,934
So yeah R5 40 or roll guard.
729
00:21:08,967 --> 00:21:09,935
Yeah.
730
00:21:09,935 --> 00:21:12,938
And I'm just 1250. Yes.
731
00:21:13,038 --> 00:21:13,905
And I'm also going to
732
00:21:13,905 --> 00:21:15,240
going to talk about floor prep
733
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:16,908
now for, for just a minute.
734
00:21:16,908 --> 00:21:18,844
It's been my experience,
735
00:21:18,844 --> 00:21:20,646
especially as a young contractor
736
00:21:20,646 --> 00:21:24,683
when I didn't know any better or
737
00:21:24,683 --> 00:21:26,718
it was left ambiguous, like,
738
00:21:26,718 --> 00:21:27,653
who's going to do the floor,
739
00:21:27,653 --> 00:21:29,321
the sub floor prep?
740
00:21:29,321 --> 00:21:31,123
So I'm bidding the job, right.
741
00:21:31,123 --> 00:21:32,424
And it's,
742
00:21:32,424 --> 00:21:33,425
you know, I'm going in there,
743
00:21:33,425 --> 00:21:34,326
I'm looking at or I'm
744
00:21:34,326 --> 00:21:35,494
I'm looking at the plans,
745
00:21:35,494 --> 00:21:36,228
you know, I go by there,
746
00:21:36,228 --> 00:21:37,229
I was, I look at the plans,
747
00:21:37,229 --> 00:21:38,497
I'm doing my take offs.
748
00:21:38,497 --> 00:21:39,464
I go right, say,
749
00:21:39,464 --> 00:21:42,100
you know, 30 800ft² or whatever.
750
00:21:42,100 --> 00:21:42,701
And okay,
751
00:21:42,701 --> 00:21:44,603
so I bid for a bid to install, I bid,
752
00:21:44,603 --> 00:21:46,505
you know, I got the adhesive in the bid.
753
00:21:46,505 --> 00:21:48,106
I got the flooring in the bid,
754
00:21:48,106 --> 00:21:48,874
I got the,
755
00:21:48,874 --> 00:21:49,474
you know, whatever
756
00:21:49,474 --> 00:21:51,276
you think you normally put in the bid
757
00:21:51,276 --> 00:21:52,377
and then it was going to be satin
758
00:21:52,377 --> 00:21:53,445
finish or whatever.
759
00:21:53,445 --> 00:21:54,179
But then there's
760
00:21:54,179 --> 00:21:56,048
this little, little gray thing out
761
00:21:56,048 --> 00:21:58,016
there is the subfloor prep.
762
00:21:58,016 --> 00:22:00,752
And it's early on in my career.
763
00:22:00,752 --> 00:22:01,953
Did I ever get burned
764
00:22:01,953 --> 00:22:03,622
by not considering the subfloor?
765
00:22:03,622 --> 00:22:04,890
I assumed
766
00:22:04,890 --> 00:22:05,757
this guy was going to have
767
00:22:05,757 --> 00:22:06,725
the slab ready for me
768
00:22:06,725 --> 00:22:07,859
the way it should be.
769
00:22:07,859 --> 00:22:08,827
But I walk in there
770
00:22:08,827 --> 00:22:09,661
and and the concrete
771
00:22:09,661 --> 00:22:11,330
was all over the place.
772
00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:13,332
And yeah, he can't live like this.
773
00:22:13,332 --> 00:22:14,099
I'm clean to him.
774
00:22:14,099 --> 00:22:14,800
I got to level out
775
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:15,534
and everything goes well.
776
00:22:15,534 --> 00:22:17,536
Hey, that's that's on you now.
777
00:22:17,536 --> 00:22:20,072
And that's it. You're the floor guys.
778
00:22:20,072 --> 00:22:21,473
So son of a gun.
779
00:22:21,473 --> 00:22:22,407
This is a problem.
780
00:22:22,407 --> 00:22:24,609
I can't this can't happen again.
781
00:22:24,609 --> 00:22:28,447
So it's so the guy doesn't want to do it.
782
00:22:29,448 --> 00:22:30,816
He's moved on now in his mind.
783
00:22:30,816 --> 00:22:33,051
Oh yeah. That was for Guy now and then.
784
00:22:33,051 --> 00:22:35,020
Maybe the floor guy didn't charge for it.
785
00:22:35,020 --> 00:22:36,621
So it kind of gets done.
786
00:22:36,621 --> 00:22:37,189
If it gets done,
787
00:22:37,189 --> 00:22:37,989
it all gets done in
788
00:22:37,989 --> 00:22:39,591
kind of a half ass manner,
789
00:22:39,591 --> 00:22:40,092
you know what I mean?
790
00:22:40,092 --> 00:22:40,625
Because guys,
791
00:22:40,625 --> 00:22:42,461
we can't spend a lot of time on this
792
00:22:42,461 --> 00:22:43,195
and we certainly didn't
793
00:22:43,195 --> 00:22:44,529
put the money at for it, you know.
794
00:22:44,529 --> 00:22:46,264
So now we're going to lose money
795
00:22:46,264 --> 00:22:48,767
in on all this, all this part of the job.
796
00:22:48,767 --> 00:22:51,470
And so it's very important to put that
797
00:22:51,470 --> 00:22:52,504
in the contract
798
00:22:52,504 --> 00:22:53,138
or consider
799
00:22:53,138 --> 00:22:55,173
that when the job is being done.
800
00:22:55,173 --> 00:22:58,243
So I always think to myself
801
00:22:59,111 --> 00:23:00,612
if they, if they,
802
00:23:00,612 --> 00:23:01,813
if they did crown molding
803
00:23:01,813 --> 00:23:04,082
like they did subfloor prep,
804
00:23:04,082 --> 00:23:06,151
how how would the crown molding look?
805
00:23:06,151 --> 00:23:07,686
You know what I mean?
806
00:23:07,686 --> 00:23:09,121
And that was back
807
00:23:09,121 --> 00:23:10,689
years ago when we were doing floors.
808
00:23:10,689 --> 00:23:11,957
And it was not as important
809
00:23:11,957 --> 00:23:13,458
then as it is now.
810
00:23:13,458 --> 00:23:15,160
It's more important today.
811
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:15,694
And the reason
812
00:23:15,694 --> 00:23:17,329
why it's more important today,
813
00:23:17,329 --> 00:23:19,264
because these floors are wider now.
814
00:23:19,264 --> 00:23:20,332
Wider. Thanks.
815
00:23:20,332 --> 00:23:21,867
I you're playing floors and.
816
00:23:21,867 --> 00:23:23,735
Everything is wide now. Yeah.
817
00:23:23,735 --> 00:23:25,003
They don't bridge
818
00:23:25,003 --> 00:23:26,972
the undulations in the slab like,
819
00:23:26,972 --> 00:23:27,973
you know, half by three
820
00:23:27,973 --> 00:23:29,307
did back in the day.
821
00:23:29,307 --> 00:23:30,876
You know, they just kind of, you know
822
00:23:30,876 --> 00:23:31,576
it's out of whack.
823
00:23:31,576 --> 00:23:32,611
But it it just kind of follows
824
00:23:32,611 --> 00:23:34,079
the contours of the slab.
825
00:23:34,079 --> 00:23:36,047
So you leave yourself to hole spots
826
00:23:36,047 --> 00:23:37,182
in those type of issues.
827
00:23:37,182 --> 00:23:38,717
And way more than that,
828
00:23:38,717 --> 00:23:40,519
it was a concern in the past.
829
00:23:40,519 --> 00:23:42,921
Popping, cracking noises.
830
00:23:42,921 --> 00:23:43,388
Yeah.
831
00:23:43,388 --> 00:23:44,389
So it's very,
832
00:23:44,389 --> 00:23:45,857
very important that you, you know,
833
00:23:45,857 --> 00:23:46,491
you consider
834
00:23:46,491 --> 00:23:48,193
that, you know, if you got to do grinding
835
00:23:48,193 --> 00:23:49,394
or if you got to do self-leveling
836
00:23:49,394 --> 00:23:50,395
or whatever, you,
837
00:23:50,395 --> 00:23:52,397
there's a lot of money to be made is,
838
00:23:52,397 --> 00:23:53,932
you know, when guys get really good
839
00:23:53,932 --> 00:23:54,699
at subfloor prep,
840
00:23:54,699 --> 00:23:56,435
it's almost an art in itself.
841
00:23:56,435 --> 00:23:58,270
It's almost a whole different craft.
842
00:23:58,270 --> 00:24:00,472
Subfloor prep. Guys, I lived in Florida.
843
00:24:00,472 --> 00:24:02,774
Guys live in Texas and California
844
00:24:02,774 --> 00:24:03,742
where there's a lot of slab.
845
00:24:03,742 --> 00:24:05,777
Mark is New York, Jersey.
846
00:24:05,777 --> 00:24:08,780
Become very good at doing subfloor prep.
847
00:24:09,481 --> 00:24:11,817
And if you don't do a lot of it,
848
00:24:11,817 --> 00:24:14,119
I think Ardex has a class on it,
849
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,388
you know, which I went to a couple times
850
00:24:16,388 --> 00:24:17,222
when I was a contractor.
851
00:24:17,222 --> 00:24:18,490
It was great for me to learn
852
00:24:18,490 --> 00:24:20,125
how to do some floor prep.
853
00:24:20,125 --> 00:24:22,561
Some of these grinders out there,
854
00:24:22,561 --> 00:24:24,029
you know, and,
855
00:24:24,029 --> 00:24:25,630
and when it comes to subfloor prep,
856
00:24:25,630 --> 00:24:26,698
you can do a simple test.
857
00:24:26,698 --> 00:24:27,532
The first simple test
858
00:24:27,532 --> 00:24:28,567
you should do
859
00:24:28,567 --> 00:24:31,536
is just drop bit of water on the slab.
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00:24:31,536 --> 00:24:33,038
If it doesn't wet out
861
00:24:33,038 --> 00:24:34,539
within a minute or so,
862
00:24:34,539 --> 00:24:36,575
if it stays, beat it, beat it up.
863
00:24:36,575 --> 00:24:37,809
Then there's probably a sealer
864
00:24:37,809 --> 00:24:39,277
on that slab.
865
00:24:39,277 --> 00:24:40,879
What you have to deal with.
866
00:24:40,879 --> 00:24:43,482
So all those things in the contract,
867
00:24:43,482 --> 00:24:44,983
I've sent out information
868
00:24:44,983 --> 00:24:45,784
about my contract
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00:24:45,784 --> 00:24:48,320
before we talked about in the last year.
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00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,155
I still, if you want
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00:24:50,155 --> 00:24:51,923
a copy of my contract,
872
00:24:51,923 --> 00:24:52,891
email me at Wayne
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00:24:52,891 --> 00:24:54,092
dot Highlander at bullet.
874
00:24:54,092 --> 00:24:57,095
I come here and Dr..
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00:24:57,596 --> 00:24:59,097
And I'll send you out.
876
00:24:59,097 --> 00:24:59,898
They send it out to you.
877
00:24:59,898 --> 00:25:01,533
So so there you go.
878
00:25:01,533 --> 00:25:02,567
I thought it was
879
00:25:02,567 --> 00:25:04,903
important that we talk about Rob.
880
00:25:04,903 --> 00:25:06,671
So it's a short,
881
00:25:06,671 --> 00:25:08,240
so we don't have a lot of time.
882
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:09,674
Both of us got to get going.
883
00:25:09,674 --> 00:25:12,043
But I thought the moisture in concrete,
884
00:25:12,043 --> 00:25:12,577
we can't see.
885
00:25:12,577 --> 00:25:13,845
You can't tell by looking at it.
886
00:25:13,845 --> 00:25:14,346
Same thing.
887
00:25:14,346 --> 00:25:14,846
Like we said,
888
00:25:14,846 --> 00:25:16,414
you would never been a 3000 square foot
889
00:25:16,414 --> 00:25:18,383
job with wall to wall carpet
890
00:25:18,383 --> 00:25:21,386
and give them a guy a definitive number.
891
00:25:21,419 --> 00:25:23,021
You don't know what's under there.
892
00:25:23,021 --> 00:25:24,422
You got to take a look right?
893
00:25:24,422 --> 00:25:25,090
You got to take a look.
894
00:25:25,090 --> 00:25:27,192
You got you got to walk that slab.
895
00:25:27,192 --> 00:25:30,195
My uncle used to say that, you know, he
896
00:25:30,295 --> 00:25:31,863
he was so good at telling him
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00:25:31,863 --> 00:25:33,732
the support was flat,
898
00:25:33,732 --> 00:25:36,201
that you developed what he calls
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00:25:36,201 --> 00:25:37,102
a floor man's foot.
900
00:25:37,102 --> 00:25:39,304
Over time, as you walk in the floor
901
00:25:39,304 --> 00:25:40,539
taking measurements,
902
00:25:40,539 --> 00:25:43,208
your feet are kind of feeling the slab
903
00:25:43,208 --> 00:25:44,109
to see if it's level
904
00:25:44,109 --> 00:25:46,278
or there's an uneven undulations
905
00:25:46,278 --> 00:25:47,879
or whatever, he said.
906
00:25:47,879 --> 00:25:48,813
He was so good at it,
907
00:25:48,813 --> 00:25:49,781
he could tell
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00:25:49,781 --> 00:25:51,049
if he stepped on a mosquito
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00:25:51,049 --> 00:25:52,884
if circumcised or not.
910
00:25:52,884 --> 00:25:55,654
So I'm not that good.
911
00:25:55,654 --> 00:25:56,454
But
912
00:25:57,455 --> 00:25:58,857
I would need to put a level on it
913
00:25:58,857 --> 00:26:00,425
or string line or something or.
914
00:26:00,425 --> 00:26:02,494
So that's that's
915
00:26:02,494 --> 00:26:03,728
that's two shows in a row.
916
00:26:03,728 --> 00:26:06,731
We've talked about circumcision.
917
00:26:07,365 --> 00:26:08,767
That doesn't make me weird.
918
00:26:08,767 --> 00:26:11,236
Okay, I gotta go. Not at all.
919
00:26:11,236 --> 00:26:11,670
All right.
920
00:26:11,670 --> 00:26:12,671
Good day.
921
00:26:12,671 --> 00:26:13,572
Rob. Appreciate.
922
00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:14,940
This has been another episode
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of On the Floor with Wayne and Rob.
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Please stay tuned for another episode.