On The Floor with Wayne and Rob

Communication with Guest Nick Schiffer

Episode Summary

Wayne and Rob host guest Nick Schiffer with NS Builders to discuss the importance of communication when dealing with high end renovations and custom builds. Follow Bona US Professional online: Website: https://www1.bona.com/en-us/professional/ Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/BonaProfessional Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bonauspro/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bonapro.us/

Episode Transcription

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Hello.

 

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Welcome to another

 

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episode of On the Floor

 

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with Wayne and Rob.

 

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I'm Wayne Highlander

 

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Sales manager for Bona Adhesives.

 

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And I'm Rob Johnson from Bona Training.

 

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Hey, Rob, how are we doing?

 

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Pretty good, buddy. How's it going? Good.

 

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You know what, Rob?

 

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Let's get right down to it today.

 

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Let's get into it, man.

 

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All right.

 

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We have a special guest today.

 

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Today we have Nick Schiffer with us.

 

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He is owner of Nest and its builders.

 

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That's and is a Nancy S and Sam Builders,

 

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one of Boston's premier builders.

 

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Awarded the prestigious magazine

 

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Boston Homes Best of Boston Home 2023.

 

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That's a big deal, Nick.

 

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That's right.

 

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Nick collaborates on this old house,

 

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modern craftsman

 

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and much more,

 

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and shares his built building experience

 

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and practices

 

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across social media

 

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to share his knowledge

 

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with the building

 

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industry and provides transparency

 

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with your potential and current clients.

 

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Well, that's one thing.

 

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I when I kind of looked in to you,

 

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Nick,

 

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you you

 

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are very transparent with your business.

 

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You put it out there.

 

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That's the intent.

 

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And that's been from day one, really.

 

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I mean, I can dig into that like one.

 

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And the specific reason was,

 

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you know, to collaborate.

 

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You know,

 

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I think that growing up there,

 

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there's so much competition.

 

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And when I sort of realizing

 

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that there's

 

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a lot of people out there that,

 

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you know, struggle too,

 

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to work through what I've already done

 

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or what I'm learning.

 

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You know, I,

 

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I looked at it as an opportunity

 

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to share,

 

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you know, as I'm learning, I'm teaching,

 

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as I'm learning, I'm

 

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sharing and giving the opportunity

 

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for other people.

 

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The whole coattail effect, right,

 

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where it's

 

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you want everyone to,

 

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to kind of elevate at the same time

 

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and and thinking about how

 

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that would better the industry.

 

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But but the other side of it

 

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was it kept me honest.

 

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You know, if I'm

 

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if I'm showing everything

 

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and I'm sharing everything,

 

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you know, when I messed up people

 

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let me know.

 

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And, you know,

 

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I can count a handful of times

 

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that I had put something out there

 

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and, you know, and I did something wrong.

 

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And people let me know.

 

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And and

 

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and if it wasn't for me sharing it,

 

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I would have I would have never known.

 

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And, you know,

 

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so it saved me a handful of times

 

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when we approached something incorrectly

 

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and someone was like, hey,

 

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you know,

 

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I'm not trying to hate

 

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on what you're doing,

 

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but you know, what you've done here

 

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is going to create an issue by,

 

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you know, this, this and that.

 

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And, you know,

 

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my team is

 

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my team

 

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and myself are responsive to that.

 

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And, you know,

 

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we actually do follow up

 

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videos and saying, hey, we screwed up,

 

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you guys fixed it

 

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and or let me know and we fixed it.

 

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I actually

 

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circled the word collaborate

 

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because that comes up a lot with you,

 

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you know, with your clients.

 

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People want to be heard, don't they?

 

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You don't want to be told

 

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what's going to happen.

 

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It seems like

 

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they want to be part of the process,

 

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a lot of them.

 

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So maybe you can kind of talk

 

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about how you feel with

 

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when you're dealing with your clients.

 

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Yeah, I mean, collaboration

 

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is actually one of our core values

 

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here, and it's builders.

 

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But I looked at, you know, the industry

 

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as a whole,

 

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you know,

 

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the building industry,

 

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even contracting

 

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in the contracting industry

 

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with subcontractors.

 

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But the number one complaint

 

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that I heard anytime I interviewed

 

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a client that we wrapped

 

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up a job for or an upcoming client,

 

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everyone

 

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always went back

 

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to the word communication

 

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and that, you know, their experience

 

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with contractors and building

 

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or renovating

 

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the communication was terrible.

 

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So it kept coming up.

 

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And I remember

 

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reading a book at one point

 

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and it was about business

 

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and it was like, Hey,

 

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just find out what everyone else is doing

 

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terribly in your your niche,

 

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and then just do that really good.

 

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And it it was like a light bulb moment.

 

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I said,

 

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All right, well,

 

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if everyone's sucking at communication,

 

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why don't

 

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I focus on being a better communicator

 

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and, you know, communicating

 

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is tied to collaborate. Collaborating.

 

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So for us,

 

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you know,

 

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as a builder

 

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in the way

 

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we manage our jobs, it's

 

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very white glove,

 

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you know,

 

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when we're dealing with clients.

 

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And what I mean by

 

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white glove is that we're going to be

 

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we have multiple people in

 

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different roles

 

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that are going to help our clients

 

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through the process.

 

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You know,

 

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we have project managers

 

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that are in charge of,

 

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you know, financial control,

 

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project communication, document control.

 

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But we also have site

 

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superintendents

 

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that are in charge of production

 

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and quality control and getting,

 

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you know, getting the actual work done

 

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and in place.

 

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And then,

 

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you know,

 

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administration and so on, so forth.

 

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And we also have a home care program

 

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where there's a dedicated team

 

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in communication

 

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there, where once the home is done,

 

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you know,

 

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you're going to be communicating

 

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with a new individual

 

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and they're going to help maintain

 

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the home for, you know,

 

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hopefully indefinitely.

 

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So with all of that,

 

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like we put all these channels

 

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of communication into place

 

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and that's from pre-construction

 

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when we're working through

 

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design and budgeting

 

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and scheduling to construction

 

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and then of course post-construction.

 

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But the construction process,

 

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especially when you're building custom,

 

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has to be collaborative.

 

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You know, the client, you know,

 

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even the even

 

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the clients that want to be hands off,

 

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you know,

 

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if they truly want to be hands off,

 

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they are typically more involved

 

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in the planning,

 

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at least from my, my experience

 

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where

 

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and that would be our,

 

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our preference anyway.

 

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Yeah.

 

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You know,

 

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we're not going to get into it today,

 

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but I think that

 

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residential construction is

 

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extremely inefficient

 

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and it's largely due to the fact

 

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that we don't take the time

 

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to plan correctly

 

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or complete a set of drawings

 

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or get a entire specification list

 

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put together

 

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before we start construction.

 

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And it evolves, you know, from the time

 

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we start construction to the day

 

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before we finish,

 

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where, you know,

 

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if you look at commercial,

 

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it's a little different.

 

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You know, typically that is,

 

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you know,

 

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flushed out to a firm

 

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like a further extent.

 

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And the changes are,

 

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you know,

 

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there's still changes in commercial,

 

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no doubt,

 

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and field conditions

 

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and things like that.

 

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But you're typically going into it

 

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with a much more solidified plan.

 

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But from the client's perspective,

 

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they want to be collaborative.

 

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They want to understand the space.

 

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They want to,

 

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they want to it's their their home.

 

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It's where they're going

 

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to spend the majority of their life.

 

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So they want to

 

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understand on,

 

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you know, and be in charge

 

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of those decisions. Now,

 

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I say that,

 

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but interestingly,

 

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you know, the whole role of this team

 

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builder, architect, contractor,

 

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you know,

 

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they don't want to make the decisions

 

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in the sense of,

 

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hey, I want to use this product.

 

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We'll use Boehner, for example.

 

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Hey, I want to use

 

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Boehner on all the floors

 

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because that's,

 

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you know, based on my research,

 

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they're looking to the architect

 

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and the builder

 

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to bring suggestion to the table.

 

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And it's not so much, hey,

 

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you can use this one or that one.

 

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It's

 

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we find that

 

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our clients want us

 

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to come with one option.

 

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And if they want to challenge it,

 

275

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that's totally fine.

 

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But I'm going to say, hey,

 

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we're going to be using this product for,

 

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you know, our floor finish.

 

279

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Most of the time

 

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they're like, that's fine.

 

281

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Yeah, that's great.

 

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Or like, Oh, why?

 

283

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Oh, well,

 

284

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we find that it's,

 

285

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you know, the most durable.

 

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It's going to last longest.

 

287

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It's,

 

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you know, easy to refinish

 

289

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when the time comes,

 

290

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whatever that handful that list.

 

291

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That's our job as professionals

 

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to bring the best option to the table.

 

293

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Now, if for whatever reason, you know,

 

294

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we brought the option to the table

 

295

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and it's five times

 

296

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the cost of anything else,

 

297

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well, we better have a damn good story

 

298

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as to why

 

299

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and, you know,

 

300

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and explain like, oh, well,

 

301

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you'll never have to finish

 

302

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your floors ever again.

 

303

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Now it's like, well, you know,

 

304

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we only plan to live here for ten years

 

305

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anyway, so

 

306

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that's not that largely important to us.

 

307

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Oh, great.

 

308

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So we could save you, you know? You know,

 

309

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whatever

 

310

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percentage, you know,

 

311

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we can save you

 

312

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a tremendous amount of money

 

313

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by using this floor finish

 

314

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because this

 

315

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this is expected

 

316

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to last ten, 15 years anyway.

 

317

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And it's our job as a professional to to

 

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to bring,

 

319

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quote unquote, an option to the table.

 

320

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But ultimately, you know,

 

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we're bringing the best option

 

322

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to the table.

 

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Well,

 

324

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and that involves a great deal of trust

 

325

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in your clients, in

 

326

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you and your reputation

 

327

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and what have you.

 

328

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Before I go

 

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on, I just want to mention, too,

 

330

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that you have a blog,

 

331

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you're on YouTube, yet

 

332

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you're on Instagram,

 

333

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and you have a podcast

 

334

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called Nest Builders

 

335

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Podcast by Nick Schiffer.

 

336

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So we actually paused

 

337

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the Nest Builders podcast

 

338

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because we are full,

 

339

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full tilt on Morning Craftsman podcast.

 

340

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Oh, okay.

 

341

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So I was for a long time,

 

342

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I was doing both and it's fair,

 

343

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like I appreciate the research

 

344

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because like that is very much out there

 

345

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and we're still using it as a blog,

 

346

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but all of our podcasts

 

347

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efforts have been transferred

 

348

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to Modern Craftsman,

 

349

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which is myself and Tyler Grace

 

350

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from New Jersey, who's a

 

351

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remodeling contractor down there.

 

352

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Very cool.

 

353

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Well, it's brings

 

354

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so brings me to my next point.

 

355

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I mean, it is,

 

356

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you know,

 

357

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having the knowledge to build a home

 

358

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and you build some

 

359

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I mean, the research,

 

360

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you build some incredible homes.

 

361

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So having that knowledge is one thing

 

362

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that that's like a lifetime

 

363

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to learn that knowledge.

 

364

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But you also have to run a business.

 

365

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I mean, and there are two different hats

 

366

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completely altogether. Mm hmm.

 

367

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And then having, you know,

 

368

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you have a great presence

 

369

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on social media,

 

370

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and obviously that's important to you.

 

371

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And that's not

 

372

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it isn't because it's a job to you.

 

373

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I mean, you wouldn't do it if it's a job.

 

374

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It's a passion. It's obvious to see.

 

375

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But where the hell

 

376

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you get this much time?

 

377

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I have the same amount of time

 

378

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as everyone else.

 

379

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Yes.

 

380

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I just

 

381

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I think I prioritize things differently.

 

382

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It's funny people ask

 

383

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that all the time,

 

384

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and I don't for me,

 

385

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I don't think I do

 

386

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anything much different than anyone else.

 

387

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But I'm very hard on myself

 

388

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when it comes to wasting time.

 

389

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You know,

 

390

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I might waste time with my kids playing.

 

391

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I shouldn't say waste time.

 

392

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I might

 

393

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I might do unproductive things

 

394

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when I'm, you know,

 

395

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playing on the floor

 

396

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with Legos and my kids.

 

397

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But that's like that's family, right?

 

398

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And that's,

 

399

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you know, largely important

 

400

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to myself and many people.

 

401

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But when it comes to work, you know,

 

402

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I try to be very,

 

403

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you know,

 

404

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very rigid in like,

 

405

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hey, these are the things

 

406

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I need to get done.

 

407

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My calendar gets pretty packed.

 

408

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But all of these things,

 

409

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you know, ultimately have the goal

 

410

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of what we want to be doing.

 

411

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And that's to be

 

412

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building really great homes

 

413

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and the social media.

 

414

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You know, there's two parts of that.

 

415

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You know, it's

 

416

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creating awareness around

 

417

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who Nick Schaeffer is, who

 

418

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and it's builders is who the podcast

 

419

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is, who, you know, our YouTube is.

 

420

00:11:02,762 --> 00:11:04,163

But, you know, ultimately

 

421

00:11:04,163 --> 00:11:05,197

it all kind of comes back

 

422

00:11:05,197 --> 00:11:06,999

to, you know, I'm a builder

 

423

00:11:06,999 --> 00:11:09,135

and I have this amazing team

 

424

00:11:09,135 --> 00:11:11,404

and we build really incredible homes.

 

425

00:11:11,704 --> 00:11:12,505

And it's the same thing

 

426

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with social media.

 

427

00:11:13,272 --> 00:11:15,074

It's you know, that's not just me.

 

428

00:11:15,074 --> 00:11:15,341

You know,

 

429

00:11:15,341 --> 00:11:16,676

I have a team that helps with that.

 

430

00:11:16,676 --> 00:11:17,777

Now, you know,

 

431

00:11:17,777 --> 00:11:19,512

we have full time videographer.

 

432

00:11:19,512 --> 00:11:20,913

You have a content manager,

 

433

00:11:20,913 --> 00:11:21,247

you know,

 

434

00:11:21,247 --> 00:11:22,848

I have a marketing assistant like

 

435

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and you know,

 

436

00:11:23,816 --> 00:11:25,584

we're all working on that together

 

437

00:11:25,584 --> 00:11:27,653

and we meet and put a plan together

 

438

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and execute on it.

 

439

00:11:28,688 --> 00:11:33,292

And and we see the benefit of it,

 

440

00:11:33,292 --> 00:11:33,826

you know,

 

441

00:11:33,826 --> 00:11:35,828

technically speaking, you know, the,

 

442

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the the filming

 

443

00:11:37,029 --> 00:11:39,699

is pretty straightforward.

 

444

00:11:39,699 --> 00:11:41,200

I meet on my projects

 

445

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once a week for a production meeting

 

446

00:11:42,802 --> 00:11:44,136

when I meet with my

 

447

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site Super, my PM,

 

448

00:11:45,504 --> 00:11:47,773

my director of ops and we chat about,

 

449

00:11:47,773 --> 00:11:49,141

you know, the production on site.

 

450

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And while I'm

 

451

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in that meeting for an hour,

 

452

00:11:51,143 --> 00:11:53,479

my videographers outside taking B-roll

 

453

00:11:54,013 --> 00:11:54,947

and because

 

454

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because the day before,

 

455

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you know we chatted and said hey there,

 

456

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the insulators are going to be on site,

 

457

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so why don't we capture a bunch of

 

458

00:12:01,287 --> 00:12:02,521

B-roll of the insulators

 

459

00:12:02,521 --> 00:12:04,323

and really promote like the,

 

460

00:12:04,323 --> 00:12:04,790

you know,

 

461

00:12:04,790 --> 00:12:06,625

the guys that are doing that work.

 

462

00:12:06,625 --> 00:12:07,727

And then when I'm done with my meeting,

 

463

00:12:07,727 --> 00:12:08,994

I'll come out for a 20 minutes

 

464

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and I'll film a quick interview,

 

465

00:12:10,196 --> 00:12:10,796

walk around,

 

466

00:12:10,796 --> 00:12:11,130

point out

 

467

00:12:11,130 --> 00:12:12,765

some of the really good detailing

 

468

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that they're taking, you know,

 

469

00:12:14,834 --> 00:12:17,570

good approach on and and focus on that.

 

470

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And then

 

471

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he can go back

 

472

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and edit that into a video,

 

473

00:12:20,439 --> 00:12:22,942

cut it up a, you know, 20 different ways.

 

474

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And one will live on this

 

475

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educational platform called YouTube

 

476

00:12:26,378 --> 00:12:26,979

and the other

 

477

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might live on Instagram as a,

 

478

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you know, a B-roll video of just,

 

479

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you know, a bunch of guys

 

480

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and and girls

 

481

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putting insulation in

 

482

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and a really nice, detailed way.

 

483

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And I get to talk

 

484

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about how great that part of the team is

 

485

00:12:39,725 --> 00:12:42,128

and how they're helping us build the

 

486

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the best product that we we possibly can.

 

487

00:12:45,364 --> 00:12:47,399

Well, it sounds like that's where you're

 

488

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finding your time.

 

489

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You delegate,

 

490

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and it sounds like

 

491

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you get a fantastic team. Yeah.

 

492

00:12:53,172 --> 00:12:53,672

Yeah, it's

 

493

00:12:53,672 --> 00:12:56,342

I mean, it's evolved over the years,

 

494

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you know, to give you

 

495

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the full picture, kind of it's, you know,

 

496

00:13:00,646 --> 00:13:02,748

I own the building company outright.

 

497

00:13:03,516 --> 00:13:05,184

I have operations

 

498

00:13:05,184 --> 00:13:07,219

manager, project manager, site supers,

 

499

00:13:07,219 --> 00:13:11,056

lead carpenters, carpenters warranty,

 

500

00:13:11,056 --> 00:13:11,357

you know,

 

501

00:13:11,357 --> 00:13:13,926

warranty manager and home care tech.

 

502

00:13:15,294 --> 00:13:17,630

And I also also have a millwork company

 

503

00:13:17,663 --> 00:13:19,265

who I'm a partner with

 

504

00:13:19,265 --> 00:13:19,532

can do

 

505

00:13:19,532 --> 00:13:21,634

cost on called Material Millwork

 

506

00:13:21,634 --> 00:13:23,302

and we have cabin makers

 

507

00:13:23,302 --> 00:13:25,004

cabinet installers

 

508

00:13:25,004 --> 00:13:27,006

can runs operations in that company

 

509

00:13:27,973 --> 00:13:31,177

and then motif media is myself and Doug

 

510

00:13:31,844 --> 00:13:33,512

Doug is my videographer.

 

511

00:13:33,512 --> 00:13:34,280

He's got the marketing

 

512

00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,148

assistant on his team

 

513

00:13:36,148 --> 00:13:38,584

and then the content manager works

 

514

00:13:38,784 --> 00:13:39,819

under Nest Builders

 

515

00:13:39,819 --> 00:13:40,519

but kind of works

 

516

00:13:40,519 --> 00:13:42,421

throughout all of the brands.

 

517

00:13:42,421 --> 00:13:44,290

And then lastly, it's the modern it's

 

518

00:13:44,290 --> 00:13:45,491

Modern Craftsman podcast.

 

519

00:13:45,491 --> 00:13:46,292

And you know,

 

520

00:13:46,292 --> 00:13:48,027

Tyler and I are partners on that,

 

521

00:13:48,027 --> 00:13:48,861

but we have a team

 

522

00:13:48,861 --> 00:13:49,562

that helps us

 

523

00:13:49,562 --> 00:13:52,031

put together the podcast where it's

 

524

00:13:52,031 --> 00:13:53,399

for four years.

 

525

00:13:53,399 --> 00:13:54,600

We are reaching out to guests

 

526

00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:55,835

and scheduling

 

527

00:13:55,835 --> 00:13:57,136

and getting everything set up

 

528

00:13:57,136 --> 00:13:58,270

and now we have

 

529

00:13:58,270 --> 00:13:59,705

a, you know, a

 

530

00:13:59,705 --> 00:14:01,073

wonderful marketing assistant

 

531

00:14:01,073 --> 00:14:03,175

and that that helps us with that.

 

532

00:14:03,175 --> 00:14:03,742

So she's,

 

533

00:14:03,742 --> 00:14:04,143

you know,

 

534

00:14:04,143 --> 00:14:05,444

she's reaching out to the guests

 

535

00:14:05,444 --> 00:14:06,078

that we want

 

536

00:14:06,078 --> 00:14:07,479

and getting everything set up.

 

537

00:14:07,479 --> 00:14:09,248

So, you know, I would agree,

 

538

00:14:09,248 --> 00:14:10,282

you know, a lot of it comes

 

539

00:14:10,282 --> 00:14:11,250

down to delegating.

 

540

00:14:13,018 --> 00:14:14,153

And in the moment, I

 

541

00:14:14,153 --> 00:14:15,654

feel as though I don't delegate enough.

 

542

00:14:15,654 --> 00:14:16,755

But when I look back,

 

543

00:14:16,755 --> 00:14:17,022

you know,

 

544

00:14:17,022 --> 00:14:19,925

I realize that I've learned to too

 

545

00:14:20,025 --> 00:14:22,628

slowly delegate as we've grown.

 

546

00:14:23,462 --> 00:14:27,132

So yeah.

 

547

00:14:27,132 --> 00:14:28,300

So and as you know,

 

548

00:14:28,300 --> 00:14:29,401

our audience is foreign

 

549

00:14:29,401 --> 00:14:31,170

contractors by and large,

 

550

00:14:31,170 --> 00:14:32,371

and some weird people that rob

 

551

00:14:32,371 --> 00:14:32,705

those that

 

552

00:14:32,705 --> 00:14:35,341

we don't really talk about a lot.

 

553

00:14:35,341 --> 00:14:36,876

Shout out to those guys.

 

554

00:14:36,876 --> 00:14:38,244

They make up the majority

 

555

00:14:38,244 --> 00:14:39,411

of our listeners.

 

556

00:14:39,411 --> 00:14:40,246

All right.

 

557

00:14:40,246 --> 00:14:42,648

So as with most builders,

 

558

00:14:43,249 --> 00:14:45,351

you deal with a lot of subcontractors.

 

559

00:14:45,351 --> 00:14:46,285

And that relationship

 

560

00:14:46,285 --> 00:14:48,087

between the subcontractor

 

561

00:14:48,087 --> 00:14:49,655

and builders important

 

562

00:14:49,655 --> 00:14:51,590

and how is important to you

 

563

00:14:51,590 --> 00:14:52,892

that the subcontractors

 

564

00:14:52,892 --> 00:14:55,027

are using the best technology out there

 

565

00:14:55,027 --> 00:14:56,195

and they represent them

 

566

00:14:56,195 --> 00:14:58,464

well because in a way

 

567

00:14:58,464 --> 00:14:59,098

they were seemed like

 

568

00:14:59,098 --> 00:15:00,366

they were a reflection of you,

 

569

00:15:00,366 --> 00:15:02,067

the builder, right? Yeah.

 

570

00:15:02,067 --> 00:15:03,269

Talk about that relationship

 

571

00:15:03,269 --> 00:15:04,603

and what's important to you

 

572

00:15:04,603 --> 00:15:06,472

with subcontractors.

 

573

00:15:06,472 --> 00:15:07,606

I'm going to strike a chord

 

574

00:15:07,606 --> 00:15:09,475

with a couple of people here

 

575

00:15:09,475 --> 00:15:11,777

because I think

 

576

00:15:11,777 --> 00:15:12,711

there's a lot of things

 

577

00:15:12,711 --> 00:15:13,045

wrong

 

578

00:15:13,045 --> 00:15:15,981

with the residential building industry.

 

579

00:15:15,981 --> 00:15:17,449

And one of those things

 

580

00:15:17,449 --> 00:15:19,351

stems from people building

 

581

00:15:19,351 --> 00:15:20,853

as big of a home

 

582

00:15:20,853 --> 00:15:21,687

as they can

 

583

00:15:21,687 --> 00:15:23,956

for as little money as they can.

 

584

00:15:23,956 --> 00:15:26,759

And what that has turned into

 

585

00:15:26,892 --> 00:15:29,061

and you you can ask any builder like,

 

586

00:15:29,361 --> 00:15:30,763

you know, their margins are tight.

 

587

00:15:30,763 --> 00:15:31,263

You know, it's

 

588

00:15:31,263 --> 00:15:32,298

they're not making the profit

 

589

00:15:32,298 --> 00:15:34,533

that they want and that's fine.

 

590

00:15:35,100 --> 00:15:37,202

But if we go deeper than that

 

591

00:15:37,202 --> 00:15:39,271

and look at the sub pool that they're

 

592

00:15:39,271 --> 00:15:40,239

they're using, like,

 

593

00:15:40,239 --> 00:15:41,407

what is that doing to them?

 

594

00:15:41,407 --> 00:15:43,042

Are they are all those guys

 

595

00:15:43,042 --> 00:15:43,842

making a ton of money?

 

596

00:15:43,842 --> 00:15:44,643

And the builders just,

 

597

00:15:44,643 --> 00:15:45,945

you know, walking away

 

598

00:15:45,945 --> 00:15:48,280

with barely anything? No.

 

599

00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,449

If it's squeezed that tight at the top,

 

600

00:15:50,449 --> 00:15:51,150

you know, every bone

 

601

00:15:51,150 --> 00:15:52,251

that trickles underneath

 

602

00:15:52,251 --> 00:15:53,886

that's going to be squeezed.

 

603

00:15:53,886 --> 00:15:55,220

And I've told this

 

604

00:15:55,220 --> 00:15:56,588

story on our podcast, but

 

605

00:15:56,588 --> 00:15:58,123

I'll retell it here, is like

 

606

00:15:59,158 --> 00:16:00,526

for me,

 

607

00:16:00,759 --> 00:16:04,830

our trades are enormously important.

 

608

00:16:04,830 --> 00:16:06,565

And you know,

 

609

00:16:06,565 --> 00:16:08,701

I've had multiple trades actually,

 

610

00:16:08,701 --> 00:16:09,835

including my,

 

611

00:16:09,835 --> 00:16:13,005

my wood flooring contractor contractors

 

612

00:16:14,373 --> 00:16:16,775

come to me and we've worked

 

613

00:16:16,775 --> 00:16:19,878

through pricing on a job and then we go

 

614

00:16:19,878 --> 00:16:21,580

and then we do the install

 

615

00:16:21,580 --> 00:16:23,882

and I have issues with it.

 

616

00:16:23,882 --> 00:16:24,483

And then there's

 

617

00:16:24,483 --> 00:16:25,851

a conversation that comes up

 

618

00:16:25,851 --> 00:16:26,318

and it's like, Dude,

 

619

00:16:26,318 --> 00:16:27,353

I don't make enough money

 

620

00:16:27,353 --> 00:16:28,821

to come back and fix that.

 

621

00:16:28,821 --> 00:16:30,889

Like that's the quality that I put out.

 

622

00:16:31,523 --> 00:16:34,393

And I saw this happen over and over

 

623

00:16:34,393 --> 00:16:35,561

and I finally had a conversation

 

624

00:16:35,561 --> 00:16:37,329

with a couple of them and I in

 

625

00:16:37,329 --> 00:16:38,364

and I was like,

 

626

00:16:38,430 --> 00:16:39,231

Well,

 

627

00:16:39,231 --> 00:16:40,899

how much would you charge me

 

628

00:16:40,899 --> 00:16:43,235

if you took your time?

 

629

00:16:43,235 --> 00:16:43,936

You know, how much like

 

630

00:16:43,936 --> 00:16:44,970

what would it cost me

 

631

00:16:44,970 --> 00:16:46,171

if I if you slowed down

 

632

00:16:46,171 --> 00:16:47,673

rather than trying to do

 

633

00:16:47,673 --> 00:16:48,741

two jobs in one day?

 

634

00:16:48,741 --> 00:16:49,575

What if you just came here

 

635

00:16:49,575 --> 00:16:50,943

and did one job?

 

636

00:16:50,943 --> 00:16:51,176

He's like,

 

637

00:16:51,176 --> 00:16:52,845

Well, I'd have to charge you double.

 

638

00:16:52,845 --> 00:16:53,679

I'm like, All right,

 

639

00:16:53,679 --> 00:16:54,780

charge me double next time.

 

640

00:16:55,748 --> 00:16:57,282

And he's like, What do you mean?

 

641

00:16:57,282 --> 00:16:58,217

I'm like, Charge me double.

 

642

00:16:58,217 --> 00:17:00,052

It's my job as the builder to turn around

 

643

00:17:00,052 --> 00:17:00,686

and tell the client

 

644

00:17:00,686 --> 00:17:02,821

that they can't afford the bigger house,

 

645

00:17:02,821 --> 00:17:04,223

they can afford a better

 

646

00:17:04,223 --> 00:17:06,025

we can build them a smaller house,

 

647

00:17:06,025 --> 00:17:07,893

and it's going to be a higher quality.

 

648

00:17:07,893 --> 00:17:08,861

And that's going to rule out

 

649

00:17:08,861 --> 00:17:09,328

a lot of people.

 

650

00:17:09,328 --> 00:17:10,229

A lot of people don't care.

 

651

00:17:10,229 --> 00:17:11,663

They they would rather the big house

 

652

00:17:11,663 --> 00:17:13,532

at a lesser quality not our client.

 

653

00:17:13,532 --> 00:17:14,700

Yeah right.

 

654

00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:16,502

And I think a lot of us could agree

 

655

00:17:16,502 --> 00:17:17,569

that they would rather work.

 

656

00:17:17,569 --> 00:17:19,004

They'd rather build bigger,

 

657

00:17:19,004 --> 00:17:21,707

smaller homes for a higher quality

 

658

00:17:21,707 --> 00:17:22,708

than the other way around,

 

659

00:17:22,708 --> 00:17:23,642

especially if they're making

 

660

00:17:23,642 --> 00:17:25,144

a good profit on it.

 

661

00:17:25,144 --> 00:17:26,345

So,

 

662

00:17:27,179 --> 00:17:28,547

you know, some of these guys were like,

 

663

00:17:28,547 --> 00:17:30,616

well, sure, I'll I'll charge you double.

 

664

00:17:30,616 --> 00:17:31,250

And, you know,

 

665

00:17:31,250 --> 00:17:32,017

maybe at the first,

 

666

00:17:32,017 --> 00:17:33,052

like they're still trying to squeeze

 

667

00:17:33,052 --> 00:17:34,353

that second job in that they're I'm like,

 

668

00:17:34,353 --> 00:17:35,154

no, no, no, no.

 

669

00:17:35,154 --> 00:17:36,688

Hey, we agreed,

 

670

00:17:36,688 --> 00:17:37,189

like, I'm

 

671

00:17:37,189 --> 00:17:37,423

going to

 

672

00:17:37,423 --> 00:17:38,223

I'll pay you more,

 

673

00:17:38,223 --> 00:17:39,391

but I need you to slow down

 

674

00:17:39,391 --> 00:17:41,794

or need you to do a better job.

 

675

00:17:41,794 --> 00:17:42,728

And, you know,

 

676

00:17:42,728 --> 00:17:45,431

we have one of our floor finish guys

 

677

00:17:45,431 --> 00:17:48,467

and he is super meticulous.

 

678

00:17:48,467 --> 00:17:50,135

Like he takes out, you know,

 

679

00:17:51,236 --> 00:17:51,737

make up

 

680

00:17:51,737 --> 00:17:52,471

brushes and

 

681

00:17:52,471 --> 00:17:53,972

he's like using makeup brushes

 

682

00:17:53,972 --> 00:17:55,974

to get the finish in the right spot.

 

683

00:17:55,974 --> 00:17:57,876

And I mean, he's that but this

 

684

00:17:57,876 --> 00:18:00,112

and he and he'll spend weeks finishing

 

685

00:18:00,479 --> 00:18:03,048

you know, 3000 square feet

 

686

00:18:03,048 --> 00:18:04,149

and it's and I love it

 

687

00:18:04,149 --> 00:18:04,917

it's like furniture

 

688

00:18:04,917 --> 00:18:06,518

finish and it's and he's like,

 

689

00:18:06,518 --> 00:18:07,586

this is going to be really expensive.

 

690

00:18:07,586 --> 00:18:07,753

I'm like,

 

691

00:18:07,753 --> 00:18:08,821

I know and I value it

 

692

00:18:08,821 --> 00:18:10,155

and so does our client.

 

693

00:18:10,155 --> 00:18:10,689

So I get it.

 

694

00:18:10,689 --> 00:18:12,825

Like, you know, this is going to cost,

 

695

00:18:12,825 --> 00:18:13,725

you know, three

 

696

00:18:13,725 --> 00:18:15,861

anyone else and so, so be it.

 

697

00:18:16,495 --> 00:18:18,530

Like we value that.

 

698

00:18:18,831 --> 00:18:22,468

So for me, what I realize is

 

699

00:18:22,468 --> 00:18:25,571

that these guys get into this industry.

 

700

00:18:26,371 --> 00:18:27,773

I would say most of them

 

701

00:18:27,773 --> 00:18:28,674

get into this industry

 

702

00:18:28,674 --> 00:18:30,843

because they have some sort of passion

 

703

00:18:30,843 --> 00:18:31,376

for it

 

704

00:18:31,376 --> 00:18:32,845

where they want to be the best finisher.

 

705

00:18:32,845 --> 00:18:34,213

They they love doing this

 

706

00:18:34,213 --> 00:18:36,215

like they have a lot of fun with it.

 

707

00:18:36,215 --> 00:18:38,584

And what happens is that because

 

708

00:18:39,151 --> 00:18:40,185

we demand that

 

709

00:18:40,185 --> 00:18:41,253

because the consumer

 

710

00:18:41,253 --> 00:18:42,588

is demanding these bigger homes

 

711

00:18:42,588 --> 00:18:44,056

for less money,

 

712

00:18:44,056 --> 00:18:45,057

they start working

 

713

00:18:45,057 --> 00:18:46,525

for all these general contractors

 

714

00:18:46,525 --> 00:18:47,159

and builders

 

715

00:18:47,159 --> 00:18:48,961

and they continually get beaten down

 

716

00:18:48,961 --> 00:18:49,928

in price

 

717

00:18:49,928 --> 00:18:50,929

to the point where now

 

718

00:18:50,929 --> 00:18:51,730

they're just

 

719

00:18:51,730 --> 00:18:52,798

they're trying to operate

 

720

00:18:52,798 --> 00:18:54,700

at such a fast pace.

 

721

00:18:54,700 --> 00:18:55,234

And they're

 

722

00:18:55,234 --> 00:18:57,769

and they're delivering a subpar quality,

 

723

00:18:57,936 --> 00:18:58,770

but they're getting paid

 

724

00:18:58,770 --> 00:18:59,838

and they're fine.

 

725

00:18:59,838 --> 00:19:01,273

And then every once in a while,

 

726

00:19:01,273 --> 00:19:02,841

or probably more times than not,

 

727

00:19:02,841 --> 00:19:04,143

they get squeezed on the price

 

728

00:19:04,143 --> 00:19:05,444

where it's like they do it,

 

729

00:19:05,444 --> 00:19:06,678

they cover their cost.

 

730

00:19:06,678 --> 00:19:07,513

Maybe they put a couple

 

731

00:19:07,513 --> 00:19:09,047

of bucks in their pocket,

 

732

00:19:09,047 --> 00:19:10,282

but they're not really building

 

733

00:19:10,282 --> 00:19:12,384

this nest egg of wealth.

 

734

00:19:12,384 --> 00:19:13,752

So like when things go

 

735

00:19:13,752 --> 00:19:15,120

awry and like, say,

 

736

00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:16,688

the economy falls out,

 

737

00:19:16,688 --> 00:19:18,423

you know, that builder goes away.

 

738

00:19:18,423 --> 00:19:19,658

He doesn't care about the floor guy

 

739

00:19:19,658 --> 00:19:21,293

because the floor guy got his job done.

 

740

00:19:21,293 --> 00:19:21,927

This floor guy

 

741

00:19:21,927 --> 00:19:23,462

now can't support his family

 

742

00:19:23,462 --> 00:19:25,764

because he never made enough money

 

743

00:19:25,764 --> 00:19:26,999

to actually support his family.

 

744

00:19:26,999 --> 00:19:27,866

He just made enough money

 

745

00:19:27,866 --> 00:19:29,768

to cover expenses.

 

746

00:19:29,768 --> 00:19:31,503

So now this guy screwed

 

747

00:19:31,503 --> 00:19:32,137

where it's like

 

748

00:19:32,137 --> 00:19:33,839

and to top it off,

 

749

00:19:33,839 --> 00:19:34,673

he no longer

 

750

00:19:34,673 --> 00:19:36,141

really enjoys doing what he does

 

751

00:19:36,141 --> 00:19:38,043

because he doesn't make the

 

752

00:19:38,043 --> 00:19:39,912

appropriate amount of money for it.

 

753

00:19:39,912 --> 00:19:42,748

Where for us it's like, let's flip that.

 

754

00:19:42,748 --> 00:19:44,283

Like, I want you to make the

 

755

00:19:44,283 --> 00:19:45,150

I want you to make

 

756

00:19:45,150 --> 00:19:47,085

the appropriate amount of money

 

757

00:19:47,085 --> 00:19:48,253

on this job.

 

758

00:19:48,253 --> 00:19:48,554

You know,

 

759

00:19:48,554 --> 00:19:50,622

if it truly is going to cost more,

 

760

00:19:50,622 --> 00:19:51,857

then let's talk about that.

 

761

00:19:51,857 --> 00:19:53,725

And if we can't afford it or the budget

 

762

00:19:53,725 --> 00:19:54,760

doesn't allow for it,

 

763

00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,895

how do we back into the budget

 

764

00:19:56,895 --> 00:19:57,963

that we do have

 

765

00:19:57,963 --> 00:19:59,498

rather than me asking you

 

766

00:19:59,498 --> 00:20:01,200

to make less money on the job?

 

767

00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:05,037

Tell me I have to use a narrower board

 

768

00:20:05,404 --> 00:20:09,041

or I can't do glue down or I have to,

 

769

00:20:09,074 --> 00:20:10,943

you know, tight fit, whatever it is.

 

770

00:20:10,943 --> 00:20:12,578

Like you tell me

 

771

00:20:12,578 --> 00:20:14,513

how to work within that number

 

772

00:20:14,513 --> 00:20:16,014

and we do this with all of our trades.

 

773

00:20:16,014 --> 00:20:17,916

You know, painting was a huge one.

 

774

00:20:17,916 --> 00:20:19,585

We were painting right after,

 

775

00:20:19,585 --> 00:20:21,887

you know, we were painting too soon.

 

776

00:20:21,887 --> 00:20:22,888

And my painter started

 

777

00:20:22,888 --> 00:20:24,189

like the pricing kept going up

 

778

00:20:24,189 --> 00:20:24,556

and I was like,

 

779

00:20:24,556 --> 00:20:26,658

Why is the pricing getting so expensive?

 

780

00:20:26,658 --> 00:20:27,593

He's like, Dude, every time

 

781

00:20:27,593 --> 00:20:28,794

we're on your job,

 

782

00:20:28,794 --> 00:20:30,062

you got 50 guys in there,

 

783

00:20:30,062 --> 00:20:30,896

we're painting around him.

 

784

00:20:30,896 --> 00:20:32,464

It's just not efficient.

 

785

00:20:32,464 --> 00:20:32,965

And I was like,

 

786

00:20:32,965 --> 00:20:34,833

How much money could I save

 

787

00:20:34,833 --> 00:20:35,934

if I gave you the job?

 

788

00:20:35,934 --> 00:20:37,869

And you work by yourself?

 

789

00:20:37,869 --> 00:20:39,905

He's like, I could pull 15% off that cost

 

790

00:20:39,972 --> 00:20:41,073

right up top.

 

791

00:20:41,073 --> 00:20:41,940

I'm like, Great guys.

 

792

00:20:41,940 --> 00:20:42,774

We're painting at the end of

 

793

00:20:42,774 --> 00:20:43,909

the job when no one's here

 

794

00:20:44,910 --> 00:20:45,377

and that.

 

795

00:20:45,377 --> 00:20:47,646

And I didn't I didn't ask for 15% off.

 

796

00:20:47,646 --> 00:20:50,115

I just asked the the contractor.

 

797

00:20:50,115 --> 00:20:50,582

I was like,

 

798

00:20:50,582 --> 00:20:52,184

how do I make you more efficient?

 

799

00:20:52,184 --> 00:20:53,552

Which means that you can make

 

800

00:20:53,552 --> 00:20:54,953

the appropriate amount of money,

 

801

00:20:54,953 --> 00:20:56,755

but it cost us less money.

 

802

00:20:56,755 --> 00:20:58,991

Yeah.

 

803

00:20:58,991 --> 00:21:00,492

How many people just pulled over

 

804

00:21:00,492 --> 00:21:02,761

to the side of the road? Turn this up.

 

805

00:21:02,761 --> 00:21:03,962

Huh? I hope so.

 

806

00:21:03,962 --> 00:21:06,131

How many. Floor guys?

 

807

00:21:06,398 --> 00:21:07,466

I can't wait for?

 

808

00:21:07,466 --> 00:21:08,834

Guys get screwed.

 

809

00:21:08,834 --> 00:21:11,670

I can't wait for my kid to hear this

 

810

00:21:11,670 --> 00:21:14,172

because he's a floor guy,

 

811

00:21:14,940 --> 00:21:18,510

you know, grew up around me and I was,

 

812

00:21:18,510 --> 00:21:20,646

according to what you just said,

 

813

00:21:20,646 --> 00:21:21,980

I was doing everything wrong,

 

814

00:21:21,980 --> 00:21:24,316

you know, trying to lower the price.

 

815

00:21:24,316 --> 00:21:25,417

And, you know,

 

816

00:21:25,417 --> 00:21:28,320

he is completely your he'd be your guy

 

817

00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,322

if he lived in Boston. Yeah.

 

818

00:21:30,322 --> 00:21:32,357

I mean, he drives me crazy.

 

819

00:21:32,357 --> 00:21:33,058

I keep telling you,

 

820

00:21:33,058 --> 00:21:35,060

there's no such thing as a perfect floor.

 

821

00:21:35,060 --> 00:21:36,795

And he's like, you want to bet?

 

822

00:21:36,795 --> 00:21:38,463

And I love that.

 

823

00:21:38,463 --> 00:21:41,700

And I'm his prices were crazy,

 

824

00:21:42,100 --> 00:21:44,336

you know, but he's getting it.

 

825

00:21:44,369 --> 00:21:45,737

That's what you know,

 

826

00:21:45,737 --> 00:21:47,406

that's what blows me away

 

827

00:21:47,406 --> 00:21:49,107

is he's getting it.

 

828

00:21:49,107 --> 00:21:51,376

But that is, man,

 

829

00:21:51,376 --> 00:21:53,011

you just describe my kid.

 

830

00:21:53,011 --> 00:21:54,646

But there's like, get a plug.

 

831

00:21:54,646 --> 00:21:55,547

But no,

 

832

00:21:55,547 --> 00:21:56,548

but there's a threshold

 

833

00:21:56,548 --> 00:21:57,182

to like

 

834

00:21:57,182 --> 00:21:58,083

people value

 

835

00:21:58,083 --> 00:21:59,651

that and not everyone's

 

836

00:21:59,651 --> 00:22:00,952

going to value it.

 

837

00:22:00,952 --> 00:22:01,586

You know, it's

 

838

00:22:01,586 --> 00:22:03,021

it's the same thing with luxury

 

839

00:22:03,021 --> 00:22:05,023

brands and luxury cars

 

840

00:22:05,023 --> 00:22:08,226

like I can buy a Toyota and I can

 

841

00:22:08,493 --> 00:22:09,828

I could be into a brand new car

 

842

00:22:09,828 --> 00:22:11,229

for $30,000,

 

843

00:22:11,229 --> 00:22:12,764

but I can also go buy a Ferrari

 

844

00:22:12,764 --> 00:22:14,733

for $230,000,

 

845

00:22:14,733 --> 00:22:15,734

you know, and ultimately,

 

846

00:22:15,734 --> 00:22:16,968

if you look at it from the surface,

 

847

00:22:16,968 --> 00:22:18,904

they're going to do the same thing.

 

848

00:22:18,904 --> 00:22:20,972

But there's a waiting list for Ferrari

 

849

00:22:20,972 --> 00:22:21,740

right now.

 

850

00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,842

Yeah. Like you can you can't just.

 

851

00:22:23,842 --> 00:22:26,144

And that's because someone values it for,

 

852

00:22:26,244 --> 00:22:27,312

for different reasons.

 

853

00:22:27,312 --> 00:22:28,814

It's the same thing with, with,

 

854

00:22:28,814 --> 00:22:31,950

with building and, and we and it's not

 

855

00:22:32,617 --> 00:22:33,085

sorry.

 

856

00:22:33,085 --> 00:22:35,687

I know you like it.

 

857

00:22:35,687 --> 00:22:37,489

We are not.

 

858

00:22:37,489 --> 00:22:38,690

All homes are the same.

 

859

00:22:38,690 --> 00:22:40,692

And the reality is

 

860

00:22:40,692 --> 00:22:41,593

and I'm

 

861

00:22:41,593 --> 00:22:43,161

a very aware I'm on the coast,

 

862

00:22:43,161 --> 00:22:44,529

so like most of the wealth

 

863

00:22:44,529 --> 00:22:46,231

is on the coast, I get that.

 

864

00:22:46,231 --> 00:22:47,799

And but you have to

 

865

00:22:47,799 --> 00:22:50,102

if you looked at the entire country,

 

866

00:22:50,102 --> 00:22:50,435

you know,

 

867

00:22:50,435 --> 00:22:52,738

a very small percentage of people

 

868

00:22:53,004 --> 00:22:54,573

are going to care

 

869

00:22:54,573 --> 00:22:56,641

at how high of quality

 

870

00:22:56,641 --> 00:22:58,543

their laws are finished.

 

871

00:22:58,543 --> 00:22:59,911

It's just the reality.

 

872

00:22:59,911 --> 00:23:01,480

Just like they're not going to care

 

873

00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:02,848

what the House looks like.

 

874

00:23:02,848 --> 00:23:03,248

They don't care

 

875

00:23:03,248 --> 00:23:04,983

if it's architecturally pleasing.

 

876

00:23:04,983 --> 00:23:06,918

They don't care if it's if it's got,

 

877

00:23:06,918 --> 00:23:07,919

you know, crown molding.

 

878

00:23:07,919 --> 00:23:09,354

Like they just want a house.

 

879

00:23:09,354 --> 00:23:09,988

They just, like,

 

880

00:23:09,988 --> 00:23:12,124

give me a box to live in. I'm good.

 

881

00:23:12,124 --> 00:23:12,391

You know,

 

882

00:23:12,391 --> 00:23:14,793

that's the majority of people in

 

883

00:23:14,793 --> 00:23:16,828

and those and that's fine.

 

884

00:23:16,828 --> 00:23:18,930

Like that's a commodity product.

 

885

00:23:18,930 --> 00:23:21,633

But you can't then lump a custom

 

886

00:23:21,633 --> 00:23:23,702

$7 million coastal home

 

887

00:23:23,702 --> 00:23:24,903

into the same category

 

888

00:23:24,903 --> 00:23:28,673

as a middle America, $250,000 spec home,

 

889

00:23:29,241 --> 00:23:30,776

because it's just not the same thing.

 

890

00:23:30,776 --> 00:23:32,377

It's like the Toyota and the Ferrari,

 

891

00:23:32,377 --> 00:23:33,979

the $7 million product

 

892

00:23:33,979 --> 00:23:35,714

that has to be a high quality.

 

893

00:23:35,714 --> 00:23:36,915

But what we're doing

 

894

00:23:36,915 --> 00:23:38,683

is we're using the same guys, building

 

895

00:23:38,683 --> 00:23:40,552

$250,000 homes

 

896

00:23:40,552 --> 00:23:42,454

and putting them into a $7 million

 

897

00:23:43,522 --> 00:23:44,089

property and

 

898

00:23:44,089 --> 00:23:44,823

saying, Hey,

 

899

00:23:44,823 --> 00:23:46,491

I need you to give me your best price

 

900

00:23:46,491 --> 00:23:47,826

to do that floor.

 

901

00:23:47,826 --> 00:23:48,627

It's like,

 

902

00:23:48,660 --> 00:23:49,494

what if seven

 

903

00:23:49,494 --> 00:23:51,029

you know, rather than trying

 

904

00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:51,430

to build

 

905

00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:54,933

a 14,000 square foot home for $7 million,

 

906

00:23:54,933 --> 00:23:56,535

you built a 7000 square foot

 

907

00:23:56,535 --> 00:23:58,336

home for $7 million.

 

908

00:23:58,336 --> 00:24:00,105

You know, now you double like it.

 

909

00:24:00,105 --> 00:24:01,673

It's still the same

 

910

00:24:01,673 --> 00:24:05,076

overall bank of $7 million.

 

911

00:24:05,076 --> 00:24:06,211

But you're you're

 

912

00:24:06,211 --> 00:24:07,479

you're spending more money

 

913

00:24:07,479 --> 00:24:08,580

per square foot, right?

 

914

00:24:08,580 --> 00:24:09,748

I'm using air quotes.

 

915

00:24:09,748 --> 00:24:12,350

And and the reason you're doing that

 

916

00:24:12,350 --> 00:24:13,418

is because you're delivering

 

917

00:24:13,418 --> 00:24:15,587

a higher level product.

 

918

00:24:15,587 --> 00:24:16,221

Yeah.

 

919

00:24:16,888 --> 00:24:18,190

So you may have just done

 

920

00:24:18,190 --> 00:24:19,591

a lot of people a big favor

 

921

00:24:19,591 --> 00:24:23,328

because I won't name the area,

 

922

00:24:23,328 --> 00:24:24,830

but I went to a region of the country,

 

923

00:24:24,830 --> 00:24:26,832

whatever, and I'm talking to contractors,

 

924

00:24:26,832 --> 00:24:27,699

foreign contractors

 

925

00:24:27,699 --> 00:24:28,834

and they said, you know,

 

926

00:24:28,834 --> 00:24:29,835

we deal with

 

927

00:24:29,835 --> 00:24:31,770

with with general contractors

 

928

00:24:31,770 --> 00:24:34,539

and you can only charge this amount.

 

929

00:24:34,539 --> 00:24:35,474

That's all you can charge.

 

930

00:24:35,474 --> 00:24:36,875

Nope, nope, nope.

 

931

00:24:36,875 --> 00:24:37,676

You can't charge that.

 

932

00:24:37,676 --> 00:24:38,910

That's what they're going to pay here.

 

933

00:24:38,910 --> 00:24:39,845

And I always think, man,

 

934

00:24:39,845 --> 00:24:42,113

that seems crazy to me, but

 

935

00:24:42,113 --> 00:24:42,681

and, you know,

 

936

00:24:42,681 --> 00:24:43,682

a lot of them are experiencing

 

937

00:24:43,682 --> 00:24:44,349

the same problems

 

938

00:24:44,349 --> 00:24:45,450

and cupping or whatever,

 

939

00:24:45,450 --> 00:24:46,151

you know, different issues

 

940

00:24:46,151 --> 00:24:46,751

that they have.

 

941

00:24:46,751 --> 00:24:48,019

And maybe this will open up

 

942

00:24:48,019 --> 00:24:49,020

the conversation to them.

 

943

00:24:49,020 --> 00:24:49,721

Like you said, it's

 

944

00:24:49,721 --> 00:24:50,622

not everybody

 

945

00:24:50,622 --> 00:24:52,224

because some people just process it.

 

946

00:24:52,224 --> 00:24:54,125

And that's the bottom line that whatever.

 

947

00:24:54,125 --> 00:24:55,560

But maybe it opens

 

948

00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,429

the door for conversation of, look,

 

949

00:24:57,429 --> 00:24:58,964

you know, you've had problems,

 

950

00:24:58,964 --> 00:25:01,233

we've had problems, let's get together

 

951

00:25:01,233 --> 00:25:02,601

and maybe we can do something

 

952

00:25:02,601 --> 00:25:03,635

and separate yourself

 

953

00:25:03,635 --> 00:25:05,270

from the pack, too, by the way,

 

954

00:25:05,270 --> 00:25:06,872

you make yourself more unique.

 

955

00:25:06,872 --> 00:25:07,105

Yeah.

 

956

00:25:07,105 --> 00:25:10,208

I mean, listen, you're you're spot on.

 

957

00:25:10,208 --> 00:25:11,710

There's there's contractors out there

 

958

00:25:11,710 --> 00:25:12,978

that won't spend

 

959

00:25:12,978 --> 00:25:14,546

more than X amount of dollars

 

960

00:25:14,546 --> 00:25:16,481

per square foot for floor finish.

 

961

00:25:16,481 --> 00:25:18,783

But the expectation needs to be set

 

962

00:25:19,251 --> 00:25:20,452

where it's like, well, hey,

 

963

00:25:20,452 --> 00:25:21,419

whatever it is, like, hey,

 

964

00:25:21,419 --> 00:25:23,321

I get ten bucks a foot

 

965

00:25:23,321 --> 00:25:24,322

to finish these floors.

 

966

00:25:24,322 --> 00:25:26,291

That's as much as I can pay you.

 

967

00:25:26,291 --> 00:25:28,693

And when this and I don't know, like,

 

968

00:25:28,927 --> 00:25:29,694

depending on what area

 

969

00:25:29,694 --> 00:25:30,762

you're talking about, that's a lot.

 

970

00:25:30,762 --> 00:25:31,463

That could be a lot.

 

971

00:25:31,463 --> 00:25:33,164

That could be that could be very little.

 

972

00:25:33,164 --> 00:25:34,599

But the point is, is like,

 

973

00:25:34,599 --> 00:25:36,301

what's the expectation at that?

 

974

00:25:36,301 --> 00:25:37,736

Are you expecting these floors

 

975

00:25:37,736 --> 00:25:39,905

to be like glass, like perfect

 

976

00:25:39,905 --> 00:25:41,373

or are you expecting me

 

977

00:25:41,373 --> 00:25:42,541

to get these things sanded

 

978

00:25:42,541 --> 00:25:44,643

and finished in three days?

 

979

00:25:45,010 --> 00:25:46,311

And that's and what they

 

980

00:25:46,311 --> 00:25:47,245

what is the priority?

 

981

00:25:47,245 --> 00:25:49,247

Everyone talks about, you know,

 

982

00:25:49,247 --> 00:25:50,282

price, schedule

 

983

00:25:51,516 --> 00:25:52,050

and quality.

 

984

00:25:52,050 --> 00:25:53,051

You can only pick two.

 

985

00:25:53,051 --> 00:25:53,685

And I and

 

986

00:25:53,685 --> 00:25:54,719

and I've been saying this

 

987

00:25:54,719 --> 00:25:56,087

for a few months now.

 

988

00:25:56,087 --> 00:25:57,055

I disagree.

 

989

00:25:57,055 --> 00:25:59,057

You have to organize them.

 

990

00:25:59,057 --> 00:26:00,292

Like what is the

 

991

00:26:00,292 --> 00:26:02,227

you don't get rid of one,

 

992

00:26:02,227 --> 00:26:03,194

you organize them.

 

993

00:26:03,194 --> 00:26:03,962

So for us,

 

994

00:26:03,962 --> 00:26:05,063

when you work with us, quality

 

995

00:26:05,063 --> 00:26:06,398

will never not be number one.

 

996

00:26:06,398 --> 00:26:07,766

Quality is the number one

 

997

00:26:07,766 --> 00:26:09,334

most important thing for us.

 

998

00:26:09,334 --> 00:26:10,135

After that,

 

999

00:26:10,135 --> 00:26:11,236

you get to tell me,

 

1000

00:26:11,236 --> 00:26:13,238

do you care about price or schedule more?

 

1001

00:26:13,872 --> 00:26:15,907

Because if you say price, that's fine.

 

1002

00:26:16,107 --> 00:26:18,076

Like that is our laser focus.

 

1003

00:26:18,076 --> 00:26:19,110

That doesn't mean schedule

 

1004

00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:20,011

goes out the window.

 

1005

00:26:20,011 --> 00:26:20,378

Yeah,

 

1006

00:26:20,378 --> 00:26:20,912

it doesn't mean

 

1007

00:26:20,912 --> 00:26:22,247

that we're going to just like,

 

1008

00:26:22,247 --> 00:26:24,115

hey, when we get done, we get done.

 

1009

00:26:24,115 --> 00:26:25,183

The schedule is still important.

 

1010

00:26:25,183 --> 00:26:26,785

It's just not as important as the cost.

 

1011

00:26:26,785 --> 00:26:28,186

Now, if they flip and say, Hey,

 

1012

00:26:28,186 --> 00:26:29,321

schedule is really important,

 

1013

00:26:29,321 --> 00:26:29,821

that doesn't mean

 

1014

00:26:29,821 --> 00:26:31,056

we just get to spend millions,

 

1015

00:26:31,056 --> 00:26:32,657

millions and millions of dollars,

 

1016

00:26:32,657 --> 00:26:33,024

you know,

 

1017

00:26:33,024 --> 00:26:34,859

to get it done within

 

1018

00:26:34,859 --> 00:26:36,561

that particular time frame,

 

1019

00:26:36,561 --> 00:26:37,562

we still need to have

 

1020

00:26:37,562 --> 00:26:39,331

some sort of control.

 

1021

00:26:39,331 --> 00:26:40,765

So it's the same thing with these

 

1022

00:26:40,765 --> 00:26:42,601

with subcontractors where it's like,

 

1023

00:26:42,601 --> 00:26:43,435

hey, listen,

 

1024

00:26:43,435 --> 00:26:44,436

if there's a guy out there

 

1025

00:26:44,436 --> 00:26:45,303

and he only pays

 

1026

00:26:45,303 --> 00:26:47,105

as much or a region in the country

 

1027

00:26:47,105 --> 00:26:48,340

that only pays,

 

1028

00:26:48,340 --> 00:26:50,508

whatever, $2 a foot to, to,

 

1029

00:26:50,542 --> 00:26:52,377

to sand and finish floors. Right.

 

1030

00:26:52,377 --> 00:26:53,211

Say that's the number.

 

1031

00:26:53,211 --> 00:26:55,413

Okay, that's then that's the market.

 

1032

00:26:55,413 --> 00:26:57,449

That that, that is the market.

 

1033

00:26:57,782 --> 00:27:00,552

So for me, the way I look at that is

 

1034

00:27:00,919 --> 00:27:03,388

how do I compete for $2 a foot

 

1035

00:27:03,655 --> 00:27:04,856

rather than like,

 

1036

00:27:04,856 --> 00:27:05,490

you know,

 

1037

00:27:05,490 --> 00:27:06,524

making less money

 

1038

00:27:06,524 --> 00:27:08,226

as a floor finish contractor?

 

1039

00:27:08,226 --> 00:27:09,027

I need to figure out

 

1040

00:27:09,027 --> 00:27:11,296

a more efficient way to do this.

 

1041

00:27:11,296 --> 00:27:12,998

And this is where you going

 

1042

00:27:12,998 --> 00:27:14,666

back to residential construction.

 

1043

00:27:14,666 --> 00:27:16,534

I think there's a lot of inefficiencies.

 

1044

00:27:16,534 --> 00:27:18,703

Well, how do I become more efficient?

 

1045

00:27:19,270 --> 00:27:21,573

You know, what's what's

 

1046

00:27:21,573 --> 00:27:23,675

when I break down that job and I go

 

1047

00:27:23,675 --> 00:27:24,576

and I sand and finish it

 

1048

00:27:24,576 --> 00:27:25,944

and I realize that it costs me a

 

1049

00:27:25,944 --> 00:27:27,379

dollar 75

 

1050

00:27:27,379 --> 00:27:29,547

to actually get that floor done.

 

1051

00:27:29,547 --> 00:27:31,383

And I'm only making 25 cent profit

 

1052

00:27:31,383 --> 00:27:33,151

every foot. Okay. Well,

 

1053

00:27:34,152 --> 00:27:34,786

in that

 

1054

00:27:34,786 --> 00:27:35,587

in that

 

1055

00:27:35,587 --> 00:27:36,388

home, what

 

1056

00:27:36,388 --> 00:27:38,556

could I have done to speed that up?

 

1057

00:27:38,556 --> 00:27:40,458

What, what what drove me

 

1058

00:27:40,458 --> 00:27:42,193

what what took more time

 

1059

00:27:42,193 --> 00:27:43,762

was the fact the cabinets were in.

 

1060

00:27:43,762 --> 00:27:45,063

I had to take out the

 

1061

00:27:45,063 --> 00:27:46,798

the toxic sander, you know?

 

1062

00:27:46,798 --> 00:27:48,433

Did that take an hour of my time?

 

1063

00:27:48,433 --> 00:27:48,700

Like,

 

1064

00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:49,934

what are the things that

 

1065

00:27:49,934 --> 00:27:51,469

are driving my inefficiencies?

 

1066

00:27:51,469 --> 00:27:52,470

And then you go back

 

1067

00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:53,371

and you say, Hey,

 

1068

00:27:53,371 --> 00:27:54,673

I'll do it for two bucks a foot,

 

1069

00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:55,907

but this is how I need the job

 

1070

00:27:55,907 --> 00:27:57,008

delivered to me. Yes.

 

1071

00:27:57,008 --> 00:27:59,678

Yeah. And set the expectations. Yeah.

 

1072

00:27:59,678 --> 00:28:01,146

And you said the magic word right there.

 

1073

00:28:01,146 --> 00:28:03,048

And Rob and I talk about that

 

1074

00:28:03,048 --> 00:28:03,648

all the time.

 

1075

00:28:03,648 --> 00:28:04,082

And we,

 

1076

00:28:04,082 --> 00:28:04,382

you know,

 

1077

00:28:04,382 --> 00:28:05,817

but at our training,

 

1078

00:28:05,817 --> 00:28:07,352

we talked about customer expectations

 

1079

00:28:07,352 --> 00:28:08,386

all the time.

 

1080

00:28:08,386 --> 00:28:10,321

Because when you talk about prioritizing

 

1081

00:28:10,321 --> 00:28:11,556

what's important to them,

 

1082

00:28:11,556 --> 00:28:12,357

what you're talking about

 

1083

00:28:12,357 --> 00:28:13,591

is, is expectations.

 

1084

00:28:13,591 --> 00:28:14,759

So you can align yourself

 

1085

00:28:14,759 --> 00:28:15,760

with where they're at

 

1086

00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,829

and so you're on the same page.

 

1087

00:28:17,829 --> 00:28:20,432

So yeah, it's very interesting.

 

1088

00:28:20,432 --> 00:28:21,733

I think you listened

 

1089

00:28:21,733 --> 00:28:23,601

I think you listened to our last podcast

 

1090

00:28:23,601 --> 00:28:24,636

and stole our whole thing

 

1091

00:28:24,636 --> 00:28:25,704

about communication.

 

1092

00:28:25,704 --> 00:28:27,739

That's what I think is going on here.

 

1093

00:28:27,739 --> 00:28:28,740

That's ours, man.

 

1094

00:28:28,740 --> 00:28:30,308

Or, you know, we're all made.

 

1095

00:28:30,308 --> 00:28:31,142

Maybe I'm known

 

1096

00:28:31,142 --> 00:28:32,377

for Stealing People's Podcast.

 

1097

00:28:32,377 --> 00:28:34,779

I don't know.

 

1098

00:28:34,779 --> 00:28:35,080

You know,

 

1099

00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,181

I will say, like,

 

1100

00:28:36,181 --> 00:28:37,415

the last point on that is

 

1101

00:28:37,415 --> 00:28:39,484

this is something that's really

 

1102

00:28:39,484 --> 00:28:41,219

important to me as a builder.

 

1103

00:28:41,219 --> 00:28:42,120

And, you know, we're actually

 

1104

00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,455

getting into development

 

1105

00:28:43,455 --> 00:28:45,290

and, you know, into understand

 

1106

00:28:45,290 --> 00:28:47,058

like let's look at bigger picture

 

1107

00:28:47,058 --> 00:28:47,959

just for a moment, right?

 

1108

00:28:47,959 --> 00:28:50,829

I think of the envelope of the home.

 

1109

00:28:50,829 --> 00:28:51,396

Right.

 

1110

00:28:51,396 --> 00:28:52,230

You know,

 

1111

00:28:52,497 --> 00:28:54,199

most homes are being stick built.

 

1112

00:28:54,199 --> 00:28:56,301

You're watching a framer go out there

 

1113

00:28:56,301 --> 00:28:57,736

and lumber get dropped.

 

1114

00:28:57,736 --> 00:28:58,470

They're cutting up two

 

1115

00:28:58,470 --> 00:29:00,238

by fours and plywood

 

1116

00:29:00,238 --> 00:29:01,706

and they're standing this thing up wall

 

1117

00:29:01,706 --> 00:29:03,708

by wall framing wall by wall.

 

1118

00:29:03,708 --> 00:29:04,609

And I want and I

 

1119

00:29:04,609 --> 00:29:05,710

and I taught

 

1120

00:29:05,710 --> 00:29:06,411

I've toured

 

1121

00:29:06,411 --> 00:29:07,812

maybe a half a dozen panel

 

1122

00:29:07,812 --> 00:29:09,080

discussion companies.

 

1123

00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,483

And one of them, you know,

 

1124

00:29:11,483 --> 00:29:13,551

there was I was talking about waste.

 

1125

00:29:13,551 --> 00:29:14,052

And you know,

 

1126

00:29:14,052 --> 00:29:15,820

we exchange dumped dumpsters

 

1127

00:29:15,820 --> 00:29:17,355

and anywhere from 2 to 4 weeks

 

1128

00:29:17,355 --> 00:29:18,790

every 2 to 4 weeks on a jobsite.

 

1129

00:29:18,790 --> 00:29:20,792

It drives me bananas.

 

1130

00:29:20,792 --> 00:29:21,993

Like, I can't I

 

1131

00:29:21,993 --> 00:29:23,228

it it drives

 

1132

00:29:23,228 --> 00:29:24,562

me nuts to see this stuff

 

1133

00:29:24,562 --> 00:29:25,830

get disposed of.

 

1134

00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:27,899

And I'm in this panel company

 

1135

00:29:27,899 --> 00:29:29,634

panel association factory

 

1136

00:29:29,634 --> 00:29:32,337

and they're it's a pretty standard

 

1137

00:29:32,504 --> 00:29:34,672

they're still building stick built walls.

 

1138

00:29:34,672 --> 00:29:36,574

Like it's pretty straightforward.

 

1139

00:29:36,574 --> 00:29:38,576

It's not not like the technology

 

1140

00:29:38,576 --> 00:29:39,077

from like what

 

1141

00:29:39,077 --> 00:29:41,179

the wall assembly itself is in improved

 

1142

00:29:41,179 --> 00:29:42,881

it's just doing it in a factory,

 

1143

00:29:42,881 --> 00:29:43,882

shipping it on a trailer

 

1144

00:29:43,882 --> 00:29:45,550

and then and sanding it upright.

 

1145

00:29:45,550 --> 00:29:46,551

So you're just

 

1146

00:29:46,551 --> 00:29:48,186

relocating the same process

 

1147

00:29:48,186 --> 00:29:50,388

but under a roof controlled environment.

 

1148

00:29:50,388 --> 00:29:52,323

But they start

 

1149

00:29:52,323 --> 00:29:53,892

by modeling the whole house

 

1150

00:29:53,892 --> 00:29:55,293

and then they model the whole house.

 

1151

00:29:55,293 --> 00:29:56,494

And then what that does is

 

1152

00:29:56,494 --> 00:29:57,128

they model it

 

1153

00:29:57,128 --> 00:29:58,897

with all of the framing members.

 

1154

00:29:58,897 --> 00:30:02,934

So now you know that you have 17 two

 

1155

00:30:02,934 --> 00:30:03,535

by fours

 

1156

00:30:03,535 --> 00:30:05,670

that are six and 7/8 of an inch long

 

1157

00:30:05,937 --> 00:30:07,505

spread out among the whole building.

 

1158

00:30:07,505 --> 00:30:08,306

And then you have,

 

1159

00:30:08,306 --> 00:30:11,342

you know, 23 of them at 14 and 3/8

 

1160

00:30:11,342 --> 00:30:12,043

that are spread out

 

1161

00:30:12,043 --> 00:30:13,678

among the whole building.

 

1162

00:30:13,678 --> 00:30:14,679

And what that does

 

1163

00:30:14,679 --> 00:30:16,915

is it automatically populates a cut list.

 

1164

00:30:17,282 --> 00:30:18,783

It goes to a saw,

 

1165

00:30:18,783 --> 00:30:19,617

takes 20 foot

 

1166

00:30:19,617 --> 00:30:21,853

two by fours and says, hey, in 20 feet,

 

1167

00:30:22,086 --> 00:30:23,955

I can maximize this 20 foot

 

1168

00:30:23,955 --> 00:30:24,522

piece of two

 

1169

00:30:24,522 --> 00:30:25,290

by four

 

1170

00:30:25,290 --> 00:30:26,491

by cutting a stud

 

1171

00:30:26,491 --> 00:30:27,659

from this wall, that wall,

 

1172

00:30:27,659 --> 00:30:28,793

this wall over here,

 

1173

00:30:28,793 --> 00:30:29,828

a piece of blocking for that

 

1174

00:30:29,828 --> 00:30:33,298

and that you can't do that on site.

 

1175

00:30:33,298 --> 00:30:35,466

And someone might say no, yes, you could

 

1176

00:30:35,466 --> 00:30:36,167

if you took the time

 

1177

00:30:36,167 --> 00:30:38,169

to write out the Cutlass. You sure?

 

1178

00:30:38,169 --> 00:30:38,970

But you are.

 

1179

00:30:38,970 --> 00:30:41,072

But you are charging per hour

 

1180

00:30:41,072 --> 00:30:42,540

and there there is.

 

1181

00:30:42,540 --> 00:30:44,609

There will be too much time.

 

1182

00:30:44,609 --> 00:30:46,411

No, no one's going to pay a guy

 

1183

00:30:46,411 --> 00:30:47,445

to sit there and figure out

 

1184

00:30:47,445 --> 00:30:48,346

how to maximize

 

1185

00:30:48,346 --> 00:30:49,314

the use of a two buy

 

1186

00:30:49,314 --> 00:30:51,182

every two by four on the job site

 

1187

00:30:51,182 --> 00:30:52,050

where a computer

 

1188

00:30:52,050 --> 00:30:53,518

and this is where we get into the air

 

1189

00:30:53,518 --> 00:30:54,252

talk itself

 

1190

00:30:54,252 --> 00:30:55,119

but where a computer

 

1191

00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:56,487

can automatically do this,

 

1192

00:30:56,487 --> 00:30:58,056

where it says, hey, I can take a 20 foot

 

1193

00:30:58,056 --> 00:30:58,890

two by four.

 

1194

00:30:58,890 --> 00:31:00,358

And based on the cutlass

 

1195

00:31:00,358 --> 00:31:01,893

that that computer just generated,

 

1196

00:31:01,893 --> 00:31:03,194

I can maximize this.

 

1197

00:31:03,194 --> 00:31:03,962

When they were done

 

1198

00:31:03,962 --> 00:31:05,530

building this house in the factory,

 

1199

00:31:05,530 --> 00:31:07,632

they had a 55 gallon bucket of scrap.

 

1200

00:31:08,032 --> 00:31:10,568

Wow, that's it. That's it.

 

1201

00:31:10,568 --> 00:31:12,170

Because everything was maximized.

 

1202

00:31:12,170 --> 00:31:14,439

So when you think of efficiency,

 

1203

00:31:14,439 --> 00:31:16,140

you know, you start with the shell of it.

 

1204

00:31:16,140 --> 00:31:17,408

It's like right there,

 

1205

00:31:17,408 --> 00:31:20,011

all they did was take more time

 

1206

00:31:20,011 --> 00:31:21,446

and in planning,

 

1207

00:31:21,446 --> 00:31:22,380

they modeled it

 

1208

00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:22,847

and they put it

 

1209

00:31:22,847 --> 00:31:23,982

into a controlled environment

 

1210

00:31:23,982 --> 00:31:25,350

and did it in a factory.

 

1211

00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:26,651

So now that guys aren't

 

1212

00:31:26,651 --> 00:31:28,319

the guys aren't climate on roofs

 

1213

00:31:28,319 --> 00:31:29,220

or second floors

 

1214

00:31:29,220 --> 00:31:30,188

or dealing with guardrails,

 

1215

00:31:30,188 --> 00:31:31,890

everything is on a workbench.

 

1216

00:31:31,890 --> 00:31:33,825

People are working like gentlemen,

 

1217

00:31:33,825 --> 00:31:34,092

you know,

 

1218

00:31:34,092 --> 00:31:36,027

and this stuff gets stacked up in this.

 

1219

00:31:36,027 --> 00:31:37,862

But the point is like this,

 

1220

00:31:37,862 --> 00:31:39,030

this can continue

 

1221

00:31:39,030 --> 00:31:40,632

to go down all the way to finishes

 

1222

00:31:40,632 --> 00:31:41,532

and look at

 

1223

00:31:41,532 --> 00:31:42,300

look at the pre finished

 

1224

00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:43,334

wood floor industry,

 

1225

00:31:44,369 --> 00:31:46,371

how that's exploded.

 

1226

00:31:46,371 --> 00:31:46,938

Right.

 

1227

00:31:46,938 --> 00:31:47,338

You know,

 

1228

00:31:47,338 --> 00:31:48,740

and I know very little about it.

 

1229

00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:50,208

You guys are probably far more in tune,

 

1230

00:31:50,208 --> 00:31:52,310

but it's like that, you know,

 

1231

00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:52,977

that's something

 

1232

00:31:52,977 --> 00:31:53,912

that, you know, hey, well,

 

1233

00:31:53,912 --> 00:31:54,646

what if we don't start

 

1234

00:31:54,646 --> 00:31:56,347

and finish it on site?

 

1235

00:31:56,347 --> 00:31:57,916

That was like a revolutionary idea

 

1236

00:31:57,916 --> 00:31:58,750

at one point.

 

1237

00:31:58,750 --> 00:31:59,884

And that has

 

1238

00:31:59,884 --> 00:32:00,985

the technology behind

 

1239

00:32:00,985 --> 00:32:03,554

that has continued to increase.

 

1240

00:32:03,554 --> 00:32:04,989

And it's like now.

 

1241

00:32:04,989 --> 00:32:06,791

Now the whole thing is like,

 

1242

00:32:06,791 --> 00:32:08,326

well, how do I pre finished the floor

 

1243

00:32:08,326 --> 00:32:10,728

but get rid of the micro bevel right?

 

1244

00:32:10,728 --> 00:32:11,162

It's like, well,

 

1245

00:32:11,162 --> 00:32:12,330

I want to sand and finish in place

 

1246

00:32:12,330 --> 00:32:12,897

because I don't want to see

 

1247

00:32:12,897 --> 00:32:13,464

the micro bevel.

 

1248

00:32:13,464 --> 00:32:14,365

I don't want to have a bowling

 

1249

00:32:14,365 --> 00:32:15,900

alley effect in my house.

 

1250

00:32:15,900 --> 00:32:16,768

It's like, well, hey,

 

1251

00:32:16,768 --> 00:32:18,303

check out this product.

 

1252

00:32:18,303 --> 00:32:20,738

This product is has almost no microbial

 

1253

00:32:20,738 --> 00:32:22,373

and this is how we've accomplished it.

 

1254

00:32:22,373 --> 00:32:24,409

Innovation continues to to

 

1255

00:32:24,409 --> 00:32:26,544

to improve the process.

 

1256

00:32:26,544 --> 00:32:28,980

Well, let me ask you then,

 

1257

00:32:28,980 --> 00:32:32,684

for for a custom home builder,

 

1258

00:32:32,684 --> 00:32:34,185

where do you see the trends in flooring?

 

1259

00:32:34,185 --> 00:32:34,953

I mean, we

 

1260

00:32:34,953 --> 00:32:36,054

we see across the country,

 

1261

00:32:36,054 --> 00:32:37,789

you see herringbone and chevrons

 

1262

00:32:37,789 --> 00:32:39,657

and white plank and. Oh, totally.

 

1263

00:32:39,657 --> 00:32:42,093

And custom floors are still getting

 

1264

00:32:42,660 --> 00:32:43,828

real hardwood floors,

 

1265

00:32:43,828 --> 00:32:45,363

whether it's engineered or solid,

 

1266

00:32:45,363 --> 00:32:46,531

but they're real hardwood floors.

 

1267

00:32:46,531 --> 00:32:48,533

And there's the craftsman is still there.

 

1268

00:32:48,533 --> 00:32:49,300

Are you seeing that

 

1269

00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:51,102

on your side of the business?

 

1270

00:32:51,102 --> 00:32:51,636

Yeah, totally.

 

1271

00:32:51,636 --> 00:32:54,272

I think that there's the

 

1272

00:32:54,272 --> 00:32:55,873

luxury side of it. Right.

 

1273

00:32:55,873 --> 00:32:56,174

You know,

 

1274

00:32:56,174 --> 00:32:57,842

when when you're doing something

 

1275

00:32:57,842 --> 00:32:58,476

like a herringbone,

 

1276

00:32:58,476 --> 00:32:59,911

herringbone or Chevron

 

1277

00:32:59,911 --> 00:33:02,113

or Borders or inlays, like,

 

1278

00:33:02,313 --> 00:33:04,048

you know, there is the

 

1279

00:33:05,149 --> 00:33:06,284

the reality of that

 

1280

00:33:06,284 --> 00:33:08,286

is like it's it's unnecessary,

 

1281

00:33:08,286 --> 00:33:09,253

but it's beautiful

 

1282

00:33:09,253 --> 00:33:10,221

and it's craftsmanship.

 

1283

00:33:10,221 --> 00:33:10,922

And there's art.

 

1284

00:33:10,922 --> 00:33:12,390

There's an art to that

 

1285

00:33:12,390 --> 00:33:13,958

where, you know, the

 

1286

00:33:13,958 --> 00:33:15,159

that's the whole point,

 

1287

00:33:15,159 --> 00:33:17,395

you know, in art is discretionary, right?

 

1288

00:33:17,395 --> 00:33:18,730

Where, you know,

 

1289

00:33:18,730 --> 00:33:20,431

you can charge whatever you want for

 

1290

00:33:20,431 --> 00:33:22,166

for art in theory.

 

1291

00:33:22,166 --> 00:33:22,567

You know,

 

1292

00:33:22,667 --> 00:33:24,535

we all look at art with jewelry,

 

1293

00:33:24,535 --> 00:33:26,604

like look at Tiffany and company.

 

1294

00:33:26,604 --> 00:33:28,773

I use them as a reference a lot or Rolex

 

1295

00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,842

it's like their prices are their prices

 

1296

00:33:30,842 --> 00:33:33,077

because of the brand that they've built,

 

1297

00:33:33,077 --> 00:33:33,444

you know,

 

1298

00:33:33,444 --> 00:33:35,046

and they've decided

 

1299

00:33:35,046 --> 00:33:35,680

that their product

 

1300

00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,116

is more luxurious than anyone else

 

1301

00:33:38,116 --> 00:33:39,984

or their competitor or whatever.

 

1302

00:33:39,984 --> 00:33:41,085

It's the same thing with

 

1303

00:33:41,085 --> 00:33:43,054

I think floors is like these are product.

 

1304

00:33:43,054 --> 00:33:44,789

Like we don't need a Chevron or a

 

1305

00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:45,823

herringbone floor,

 

1306

00:33:46,791 --> 00:33:47,392

but it's

 

1307

00:33:47,392 --> 00:33:49,527

if I can afford it, I'd like to do it.

 

1308

00:33:49,527 --> 00:33:50,728

So when you ask about trends,

 

1309

00:33:50,728 --> 00:33:51,963

I think that that

 

1310

00:33:51,963 --> 00:33:53,831

that will never go away.

 

1311

00:33:53,831 --> 00:33:57,235

I think it will be interesting to see how

 

1312

00:33:58,036 --> 00:34:00,304

it's utilized, used or people

 

1313

00:34:00,304 --> 00:34:02,974

find more efficient ways to do it,

 

1314

00:34:02,974 --> 00:34:04,909

where it's like for a long time,

 

1315

00:34:04,909 --> 00:34:06,177

like all of that,

 

1316

00:34:06,177 --> 00:34:08,613

all of those pieces had to be cut on site

 

1317

00:34:08,613 --> 00:34:08,913

right?

 

1318

00:34:08,913 --> 00:34:10,548

Like, Hey, we got to come all on site.

 

1319

00:34:10,548 --> 00:34:13,117

And then and then

 

1320

00:34:14,085 --> 00:34:14,852

edge.

 

1321

00:34:14,852 --> 00:34:17,722

I'm using the wrong terminology.

 

1322

00:34:17,722 --> 00:34:20,024

Where and your roof grew.

 

1323

00:34:20,124 --> 00:34:21,759

Yeah, groove. The groove, the end.

 

1324

00:34:21,759 --> 00:34:24,262

And then you know, on a machine

 

1325

00:34:24,929 --> 00:34:27,331

or a rotor right now, it's like now

 

1326

00:34:27,331 --> 00:34:28,466

you can work with a manufacturer

 

1327

00:34:28,466 --> 00:34:30,601

and they'll drop all of those pieces,

 

1328

00:34:30,601 --> 00:34:31,803

you know, that are

 

1329

00:34:31,803 --> 00:34:33,671

exactly precise and, you know,

 

1330

00:34:33,671 --> 00:34:35,139

people are listening, probably like neck.

 

1331

00:34:35,139 --> 00:34:35,740

They've been doing that

 

1332

00:34:35,740 --> 00:34:37,241

for 15 years, like. Sure.

 

1333

00:34:37,241 --> 00:34:39,010

But before that they weren't.

 

1334

00:34:39,010 --> 00:34:41,913

And it's like so but it will continue to

 

1335

00:34:41,946 --> 00:34:44,148

to evolve at some point, you know,

 

1336

00:34:44,148 --> 00:34:46,084

we might be able to buy this stuff,

 

1337

00:34:46,084 --> 00:34:47,518

you know, in a sheet

 

1338

00:34:47,518 --> 00:34:47,919

like a,

 

1339

00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:49,720

like a tile mosaic where it's like

 

1340

00:34:49,720 --> 00:34:51,155

and then you put that stuff down,

 

1341

00:34:51,155 --> 00:34:52,790

it's got a netting on the back of it

 

1342

00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:54,525

and you can blast stuff up

 

1343

00:34:54,525 --> 00:34:56,160

in, in four foot lengths.

 

1344

00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,095

And they did the same thing

 

1345

00:34:57,095 --> 00:34:58,796

with white cedar shingles.

 

1346

00:34:58,796 --> 00:35:00,731

You know, 15 years ago I installed

 

1347

00:35:01,732 --> 00:35:03,601

white cedar shingles on this building.

 

1348

00:35:03,601 --> 00:35:04,802

And, you know, we're

 

1349

00:35:04,802 --> 00:35:05,970

still we still install them

 

1350

00:35:05,970 --> 00:35:07,305

and they're installed individually.

 

1351

00:35:07,305 --> 00:35:08,239

You put them up on a bat.

 

1352

00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:09,841

And you now, I mean,

 

1353

00:35:09,841 --> 00:35:11,843

15 years ago we bought this product.

 

1354

00:35:11,843 --> 00:35:13,478

They were four foot strips

 

1355

00:35:13,478 --> 00:35:17,348

and they had a piece of a piece of fur

 

1356

00:35:17,381 --> 00:35:19,283

that was like an eighth of an inch thick,

 

1357

00:35:19,283 --> 00:35:21,619

hot, glued to four feet

 

1358

00:35:21,953 --> 00:35:23,187

white cedar shingle.

 

1359

00:35:23,187 --> 00:35:24,489

And you could just toss them up and bat

 

1360

00:35:24,489 --> 00:35:25,556

and you blast nails in it.

 

1361

00:35:25,556 --> 00:35:26,891

So all it was doing was

 

1362

00:35:26,891 --> 00:35:27,492

it was

 

1363

00:35:27,492 --> 00:35:28,893

increasing the amount of shingles

 

1364

00:35:28,893 --> 00:35:31,329

that you would pick up out of the box

 

1365

00:35:31,329 --> 00:35:34,832

and essentially eight like increasing

 

1366

00:35:34,832 --> 00:35:37,869

your speed of install by eight times

 

1367

00:35:37,902 --> 00:35:38,903

because you're putting up,

 

1368

00:35:38,903 --> 00:35:41,005

you know, four feet.

 

1369

00:35:41,105 --> 00:35:43,207

As labor gets tighter and tighter,

 

1370

00:35:43,207 --> 00:35:43,508

you know,

 

1371

00:35:43,508 --> 00:35:44,876

guys are getting

 

1372

00:35:44,876 --> 00:35:47,378

you have to get efficient or die.

 

1373

00:35:47,378 --> 00:35:48,079

I mean yeah.

 

1374

00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:49,947

And you mentioned about the herringbone

 

1375

00:35:49,947 --> 00:35:50,281

there's a

 

1376

00:35:50,281 --> 00:35:51,749

there's a craftsman down in

 

1377

00:35:51,749 --> 00:35:53,217

in down in Texas,

 

1378

00:35:53,217 --> 00:35:55,119

Matt Garcia, that is doing some

 

1379

00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:56,821

neat stuff with

 

1380

00:35:56,821 --> 00:35:58,055

Herringbone kind of doing

 

1381

00:35:58,055 --> 00:35:58,823

doing what you're saying,

 

1382

00:35:58,823 --> 00:35:59,991

putting them all together.

 

1383

00:35:59,991 --> 00:36:01,225

It's all one shot.

 

1384

00:36:01,225 --> 00:36:02,593

I've seen that. Yeah.

 

1385

00:36:02,593 --> 00:36:05,096

Yeah, that's pretty slick.

 

1386

00:36:05,096 --> 00:36:05,997

Yeah. Good.

 

1387

00:36:05,997 --> 00:36:06,631

Let me ask you this.

 

1388

00:36:06,631 --> 00:36:08,633

How important is sustainability to you

 

1389

00:36:08,833 --> 00:36:10,201

as a builder?

 

1390

00:36:10,201 --> 00:36:12,403

It's increasingly important.

 

1391

00:36:13,571 --> 00:36:15,873

I think that my

 

1392

00:36:17,375 --> 00:36:20,678

where I struggle is my lack of knowledge.

 

1393

00:36:21,479 --> 00:36:23,881

And and I say that in the way

 

1394

00:36:23,881 --> 00:36:27,251

that it's hard to keep up right

 

1395

00:36:27,251 --> 00:36:28,653

the way we are.

 

1396

00:36:28,653 --> 00:36:31,022

We are evolving so fast

 

1397

00:36:31,022 --> 00:36:32,223

and technology

 

1398

00:36:32,223 --> 00:36:33,124

is evolving so fast

 

1399

00:36:33,124 --> 00:36:34,759

and product is evolving so fast.

 

1400

00:36:34,759 --> 00:36:36,794

And, you know, and think about like,

 

1401

00:36:37,495 --> 00:36:37,762

you know,

 

1402

00:36:37,762 --> 00:36:39,630

before social media, just like,

 

1403

00:36:39,630 --> 00:36:41,566

which isn't that long ago

 

1404

00:36:41,566 --> 00:36:42,567

you didn't have access

 

1405

00:36:42,567 --> 00:36:43,334

to a bunch of people

 

1406

00:36:43,334 --> 00:36:44,268

building around the country

 

1407

00:36:44,268 --> 00:36:46,304

or a bunch of floor guys standing around.

 

1408

00:36:46,304 --> 00:36:47,071

You would have never known

 

1409

00:36:47,071 --> 00:36:49,040

that that guy in Texas was doing that.

 

1410

00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,209

Now we have access to information

 

1411

00:36:51,209 --> 00:36:52,443

so quickly

 

1412

00:36:52,443 --> 00:36:54,545

that it allows us to create product

 

1413

00:36:54,579 --> 00:36:55,146

so quickly.

 

1414

00:36:55,146 --> 00:36:56,948

It allows us to innovate so quickly,

 

1415

00:36:56,948 --> 00:36:58,216

and it makes it hard to keep up

 

1416

00:36:58,216 --> 00:36:59,350

and to know, like all right,

 

1417

00:36:59,350 --> 00:37:01,385

which which direction should I go?

 

1418

00:37:01,586 --> 00:37:02,253

Sustainability

 

1419

00:37:02,253 --> 00:37:04,021

is really important to me though,

 

1420

00:37:04,021 --> 00:37:05,523

because it's like I want

 

1421

00:37:05,523 --> 00:37:06,691

I want to make sure

 

1422

00:37:06,691 --> 00:37:07,725

that we're not only building

 

1423

00:37:07,725 --> 00:37:08,326

the best product,

 

1424

00:37:08,326 --> 00:37:09,927

but we're, you know, we're considering

 

1425

00:37:09,927 --> 00:37:11,495

what we're putting into these homes.

 

1426

00:37:11,495 --> 00:37:13,231

Yeah, you know, for a number of reasons.

 

1427

00:37:13,231 --> 00:37:14,065

Health, wellness,

 

1428

00:37:14,065 --> 00:37:17,268

you know, from deforestation to

 

1429

00:37:18,002 --> 00:37:18,469

what it does

 

1430

00:37:18,469 --> 00:37:19,403

to the environment long

 

1431

00:37:19,403 --> 00:37:21,872

term to everything. Yeah.

 

1432

00:37:22,907 --> 00:37:24,809

How important is that to your customers?

 

1433

00:37:24,809 --> 00:37:25,042

I mean,

 

1434

00:37:25,042 --> 00:37:26,143

it sounds like something that you're

 

1435

00:37:26,143 --> 00:37:28,079

pushing with your customers.

 

1436

00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:30,014

It's, you know,

 

1437

00:37:30,548 --> 00:37:31,983

pushing might be the right word,

 

1438

00:37:31,983 --> 00:37:33,618

but it's more of just a conversation

 

1439

00:37:33,618 --> 00:37:34,318

where it's, you know,

 

1440

00:37:34,318 --> 00:37:35,820

if a client says, yeah,

 

1441

00:37:35,820 --> 00:37:36,921

you know, energy efficiency

 

1442

00:37:36,921 --> 00:37:38,089

isn't really an important

 

1443

00:37:38,089 --> 00:37:38,789

to me, that doesn't

 

1444

00:37:38,789 --> 00:37:39,523

mean I'm going to say,

 

1445

00:37:39,523 --> 00:37:39,757

all right,

 

1446

00:37:39,757 --> 00:37:41,892

let's just build a leaky house.

 

1447

00:37:41,892 --> 00:37:42,293

Like it's

 

1448

00:37:42,293 --> 00:37:42,827

like we're still going

 

1449

00:37:42,827 --> 00:37:44,095

to build a tight house.

 

1450

00:37:44,095 --> 00:37:44,996

But if they said, hey,

 

1451

00:37:44,996 --> 00:37:46,097

this is really important to me,

 

1452

00:37:46,097 --> 00:37:46,297

it's like,

 

1453

00:37:46,297 --> 00:37:47,098

Oh, are we looking for

 

1454

00:37:47,098 --> 00:37:48,766

passive certification?

 

1455

00:37:48,766 --> 00:37:49,033

You know,

 

1456

00:37:49,033 --> 00:37:49,467

are we looking for

 

1457

00:37:49,467 --> 00:37:51,902

net positive net zero like where we at?

 

1458

00:37:53,237 --> 00:37:54,005

You know, if they're like,

 

1459

00:37:54,005 --> 00:37:55,139

Oh, it's not that important.

 

1460

00:37:55,139 --> 00:37:57,408

Well, I can't make them spend another 15,

 

1461

00:37:57,708 --> 00:37:59,477

$20,000 to get a passive house

 

1462

00:37:59,477 --> 00:38:01,312

certification because I want it.

 

1463

00:38:02,413 --> 00:38:03,748

So, you know, again, it's

 

1464

00:38:03,748 --> 00:38:04,982

about understanding

 

1465

00:38:04,982 --> 00:38:06,150

and setting those expectations

 

1466

00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:07,752

with the client.

 

1467

00:38:07,752 --> 00:38:08,886

We started talking

 

1468

00:38:08,886 --> 00:38:09,553

and I want to talk to you

 

1469

00:38:09,553 --> 00:38:10,688

about tools in a minute here,

 

1470

00:38:10,688 --> 00:38:11,789

but I got one more question

 

1471

00:38:11,789 --> 00:38:12,256

for you first.

 

1472

00:38:12,256 --> 00:38:12,690

Before I do,

 

1473

00:38:12,690 --> 00:38:14,258

I want to get this in here because,

 

1474

00:38:14,258 --> 00:38:15,593

you know, it's so hard to retain

 

1475

00:38:15,593 --> 00:38:16,927

employees today.

 

1476

00:38:16,927 --> 00:38:17,361

You know,

 

1477

00:38:17,361 --> 00:38:18,462

and there's a premium on

 

1478

00:38:18,462 --> 00:38:19,497

and good employee.

 

1479

00:38:19,497 --> 00:38:22,400

So how how do you and I was a freak man.

 

1480

00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,402

I mean, I was a micromanager.

 

1481

00:38:24,402 --> 00:38:26,370

I fully admit that it is very hard

 

1482

00:38:26,370 --> 00:38:28,773

and I don't know how I admire a guy

 

1483

00:38:28,773 --> 00:38:29,674

that can have

 

1484

00:38:29,674 --> 00:38:30,541

you mentioned

 

1485

00:38:30,541 --> 00:38:32,510

all these different levels of of

 

1486

00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:33,811

you have in your company

 

1487

00:38:33,811 --> 00:38:34,979

and that's a lot of delegating

 

1488

00:38:34,979 --> 00:38:36,180

and letting go, man.

 

1489

00:38:36,180 --> 00:38:38,182

And that's always been my my

 

1490

00:38:38,182 --> 00:38:39,216

my Achilles heel is

 

1491

00:38:39,216 --> 00:38:40,484

how do you retain employees?

 

1492

00:38:41,819 --> 00:38:43,354

Well, let me touch on the first part.

 

1493

00:38:43,354 --> 00:38:44,755

You said like

 

1494

00:38:45,089 --> 00:38:46,857

a lot of delegating and letting go.

 

1495

00:38:46,857 --> 00:38:48,893

The number one piece of advice

 

1496

00:38:49,126 --> 00:38:50,728

that I had to remind myself of

 

1497

00:38:50,728 --> 00:38:52,096

constantly is that,

 

1498

00:38:52,096 --> 00:38:52,697

you know,

 

1499

00:38:52,697 --> 00:38:53,931

I made a lot of mistakes

 

1500

00:38:53,931 --> 00:38:55,132

when it was just me.

 

1501

00:38:55,132 --> 00:38:55,833

And for me

 

1502

00:38:55,833 --> 00:38:56,701

to hire people

 

1503

00:38:56,701 --> 00:38:57,768

and expect them not to make

 

1504

00:38:57,768 --> 00:38:59,870

those mistakes was was wrong.

 

1505

00:38:59,870 --> 00:39:00,738

You know, when they would make

 

1506

00:39:00,738 --> 00:39:02,073

those mistakes, I'd be frustrated

 

1507

00:39:02,073 --> 00:39:02,673

because I was like,

 

1508

00:39:02,673 --> 00:39:03,607

I already made that mistake.

 

1509

00:39:03,607 --> 00:39:04,842

Why are you doing it?

 

1510

00:39:04,842 --> 00:39:05,209

It's like, well,

 

1511

00:39:05,209 --> 00:39:06,043

the reality is this,

 

1512

00:39:06,043 --> 00:39:06,711

because they haven't

 

1513

00:39:06,711 --> 00:39:08,279

made that mistake yet.

 

1514

00:39:08,279 --> 00:39:10,214

And I didn't sit there and tell them,

 

1515

00:39:10,214 --> 00:39:12,450

Hey, I did this, don't do that,

 

1516

00:39:12,450 --> 00:39:14,552

because that's not how people learn.

 

1517

00:39:14,552 --> 00:39:16,053

So that it was difficult

 

1518

00:39:16,053 --> 00:39:17,855

and, you know, we we were

 

1519

00:39:17,855 --> 00:39:19,890

we grew really to a lot of people.

 

1520

00:39:19,890 --> 00:39:21,759

We came back down and now we're back up.

 

1521

00:39:22,860 --> 00:39:24,128

But retaining employees, I

 

1522

00:39:24,128 --> 00:39:26,364

think that, you know,

 

1523

00:39:26,364 --> 00:39:28,199

I think that everyone struggles with it.

 

1524

00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:29,400

And it was interesting

 

1525

00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:29,967

during COVID

 

1526

00:39:29,967 --> 00:39:31,135

when everyone was getting,

 

1527

00:39:31,135 --> 00:39:33,204

you know, recruited and being paid,

 

1528

00:39:33,204 --> 00:39:34,505

you know, exorbitant rates

 

1529

00:39:34,505 --> 00:39:35,973

because people were so busy

 

1530

00:39:35,973 --> 00:39:36,907

just paying like whatever

 

1531

00:39:36,907 --> 00:39:38,609

it took to get people to work.

 

1532

00:39:38,609 --> 00:39:40,277

And we're seeing like a,

 

1533

00:39:40,277 --> 00:39:41,912

you know, a retraction of that.

 

1534

00:39:41,912 --> 00:39:43,981

But I think it really

 

1535

00:39:43,981 --> 00:39:45,583

it really comes down to

 

1536

00:39:45,583 --> 00:39:46,751

you know, having a clear

 

1537

00:39:46,751 --> 00:39:48,686

understanding and a clear vision for what

 

1538

00:39:48,686 --> 00:39:49,387

the company is

 

1539

00:39:49,387 --> 00:39:50,588

and communicating

 

1540

00:39:50,588 --> 00:39:51,255

that and

 

1541

00:39:51,255 --> 00:39:51,989

and making

 

1542

00:39:51,989 --> 00:39:54,358

sure people are aligned with it.

 

1543

00:39:54,358 --> 00:39:54,658

You know,

 

1544

00:39:54,658 --> 00:39:56,494

there's a balance of that where,

 

1545

00:39:56,494 --> 00:39:57,161

you know,

 

1546

00:39:57,161 --> 00:39:58,696

you want to retain people

 

1547

00:39:58,696 --> 00:40:00,164

because you need people to

 

1548

00:40:00,164 --> 00:40:03,100

to to put the work in place.

 

1549

00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:04,201

But maybe, you know,

 

1550

00:40:04,201 --> 00:40:04,769

those guys

 

1551

00:40:04,769 --> 00:40:06,704

don't see the vision of the company

 

1552

00:40:06,704 --> 00:40:07,705

and, you know,

 

1553

00:40:07,705 --> 00:40:08,873

and don't really

 

1554

00:40:08,873 --> 00:40:10,708

care to be the best wood floor

 

1555

00:40:10,708 --> 00:40:12,443

finisher installer.

 

1556

00:40:12,443 --> 00:40:13,444

And they're just there

 

1557

00:40:13,444 --> 00:40:15,379

because they need to make some money and.

 

1558

00:40:15,379 --> 00:40:16,947

You know, the reality is that person

 

1559

00:40:16,947 --> 00:40:17,882

doesn't belong there.

 

1560

00:40:17,882 --> 00:40:18,983

And, you know, a lot of

 

1561

00:40:18,983 --> 00:40:20,117

times we make these short

 

1562

00:40:21,185 --> 00:40:21,552

sighted

 

1563

00:40:21,552 --> 00:40:22,820

decisions to keep them around

 

1564

00:40:22,820 --> 00:40:24,722

because we need the help

 

1565

00:40:24,722 --> 00:40:25,923

and we don't take the time

 

1566

00:40:25,923 --> 00:40:27,324

to go find someone that really does

 

1567

00:40:27,324 --> 00:40:28,626

want to be in this industry.

 

1568

00:40:28,626 --> 00:40:29,760

And what happens is that guy

 

1569

00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:30,594

eventually leaves

 

1570

00:40:30,594 --> 00:40:31,862

and then we're struggling

 

1571

00:40:31,862 --> 00:40:32,963

and we're trying to find a guy

 

1572

00:40:32,963 --> 00:40:34,398

to replace him where it's like

 

1573

00:40:34,398 --> 00:40:35,199

the moment we knew

 

1574

00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:35,666

that he didn't

 

1575

00:40:35,666 --> 00:40:37,201

want to be here for the

 

1576

00:40:37,201 --> 00:40:38,335

for the same reason that I'm

 

1577

00:40:38,335 --> 00:40:39,637

that we're in business.

 

1578

00:40:39,637 --> 00:40:40,738

That was the moment

 

1579

00:40:40,738 --> 00:40:42,506

that I should have spent my time

 

1580

00:40:42,506 --> 00:40:44,475

finding the right person.

 

1581

00:40:44,475 --> 00:40:46,577

But I think being open and transparent

 

1582

00:40:46,577 --> 00:40:47,445

and honest

 

1583

00:40:47,445 --> 00:40:48,712

about where the company's going

 

1584

00:40:48,712 --> 00:40:51,515

and even if that changes, you know, my

 

1585

00:40:51,882 --> 00:40:52,616

you know,

 

1586

00:40:52,683 --> 00:40:54,552

I maybe it's coming off the podcast,

 

1587

00:40:54,552 --> 00:40:55,152

but like

 

1588

00:40:55,186 --> 00:40:57,421

I'm not always fixed on one outcome.

 

1589

00:40:57,621 --> 00:40:59,824

My, my, my goalpost moves constantly

 

1590

00:41:00,024 --> 00:41:02,560

and I try to remind myself to, to, to,

 

1591

00:41:02,593 --> 00:41:04,061

to sit down with the team and

 

1592

00:41:05,129 --> 00:41:05,896

explain that.

 

1593

00:41:05,896 --> 00:41:06,997

And, you know, there

 

1594

00:41:06,997 --> 00:41:08,732

is, you know, a vivid memory.

 

1595

00:41:08,732 --> 00:41:09,500

A couple of years ago,

 

1596

00:41:09,500 --> 00:41:11,869

I sat down and had my entire team

 

1597

00:41:13,404 --> 00:41:15,539

in the workshop and we were chatting

 

1598

00:41:15,539 --> 00:41:16,807

and I was like, You know what, guys?

 

1599

00:41:16,807 --> 00:41:17,708

I haven't really told you

 

1600

00:41:17,708 --> 00:41:19,076

what my vision for the company is.

 

1601

00:41:19,076 --> 00:41:20,311

So let me do that.

 

1602

00:41:20,311 --> 00:41:20,678

Let me tell

 

1603

00:41:20,678 --> 00:41:22,613

you kind of what I want to focus on and.

 

1604

00:41:22,613 --> 00:41:23,080

I did.

 

1605

00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:23,781

And I said,

 

1606

00:41:23,781 --> 00:41:24,915

if anyone here

 

1607

00:41:24,915 --> 00:41:27,084

does isn't aligned with that,

 

1608

00:41:27,084 --> 00:41:27,852

that's all right.

 

1609

00:41:27,852 --> 00:41:28,085

Like,

 

1610

00:41:28,085 --> 00:41:29,687

I don't want you guys sticking around

 

1611

00:41:29,687 --> 00:41:31,021

because I've never communicated that.

 

1612

00:41:31,021 --> 00:41:32,289

And now I am.

 

1613

00:41:32,289 --> 00:41:33,357

And I had a kid

 

1614

00:41:33,357 --> 00:41:34,258

come up and he's like, This is

 

1615

00:41:34,258 --> 00:41:35,493

that's not what I want to do.

 

1616

00:41:35,493 --> 00:41:36,994

He's like, I really want to do,

 

1617

00:41:36,994 --> 00:41:38,429

you know, historical renovations.

 

1618

00:41:38,429 --> 00:41:39,263

And I thought we were going to do

 

1619

00:41:39,263 --> 00:41:40,231

more of that.

 

1620

00:41:40,231 --> 00:41:41,899

And I was like, Hey,

 

1621

00:41:41,899 --> 00:41:43,367

I appreciate you being upfront

 

1622

00:41:43,367 --> 00:41:44,969

and if there's anything I can do,

 

1623

00:41:44,969 --> 00:41:47,304

he's like, I'd love a recommendation.

 

1624

00:41:47,304 --> 00:41:48,906

I'm like, You got it?

 

1625

00:41:48,906 --> 00:41:49,907

And he left.

 

1626

00:41:49,907 --> 00:41:52,042

Well, I think that's so important to

 

1627

00:41:52,042 --> 00:41:53,677

to let people know what your values are,

 

1628

00:41:53,677 --> 00:41:54,512

your core values,

 

1629

00:41:54,512 --> 00:41:55,813

and make sure everybody's aligned

 

1630

00:41:55,813 --> 00:41:56,814

and have a purpose.

 

1631

00:41:56,814 --> 00:41:58,182

Like, why are we here?

 

1632

00:41:58,182 --> 00:41:59,517

You know, I mean, and

 

1633

00:42:01,252 --> 00:42:01,652

today.

 

1634

00:42:01,652 --> 00:42:04,388

So I want to stay in your times.

 

1635

00:42:04,388 --> 00:42:06,457

I've got you for for 15 more minutes.

 

1636

00:42:06,457 --> 00:42:06,891

Yeah.

 

1637

00:42:06,924 --> 00:42:08,492

I sort of want to go over your time.

 

1638

00:42:08,492 --> 00:42:09,193

Well, can,

 

1639

00:42:09,193 --> 00:42:11,395

can we go back to technology and tools?

 

1640

00:42:11,795 --> 00:42:12,997

Because I think like

 

1641

00:42:12,997 --> 00:42:15,466

so like I'm thinking about flaws, right?

 

1642

00:42:15,466 --> 00:42:16,267

And you know,

 

1643

00:42:16,267 --> 00:42:17,468

we were kind of talking

 

1644

00:42:17,468 --> 00:42:20,070

about speed of installation.

 

1645

00:42:20,070 --> 00:42:20,971

And I agree

 

1646

00:42:20,971 --> 00:42:22,973

that example of that is the track saw

 

1647

00:42:22,973 --> 00:42:24,441

right from festival.

 

1648

00:42:24,441 --> 00:42:26,010

And that's you know,

 

1649

00:42:26,010 --> 00:42:27,845

that is something that I'll never forget

 

1650

00:42:27,845 --> 00:42:29,046

when I bought it.

 

1651

00:42:29,146 --> 00:42:31,682

You know, first off, everyone was like,

 

1652

00:42:31,682 --> 00:42:33,150

if you buy that, that, that

 

1653

00:42:33,150 --> 00:42:34,118

first tool tracks are,

 

1654

00:42:34,118 --> 00:42:35,185

you are doomed

 

1655

00:42:35,185 --> 00:42:35,953

because you're going to end up

 

1656

00:42:35,953 --> 00:42:37,521

buying all of their stuff.

 

1657

00:42:37,521 --> 00:42:38,455

And now,

 

1658

00:42:38,455 --> 00:42:39,456

I mean,

 

1659

00:42:39,523 --> 00:42:41,225

I'm not going to say the dollar value

 

1660

00:42:41,225 --> 00:42:42,259

in which we have for festival,

 

1661

00:42:42,259 --> 00:42:45,496

but it's like four vans in a workshop

 

1662

00:42:45,729 --> 00:42:47,097

filled. Right.

 

1663

00:42:47,097 --> 00:42:49,233

And but the reality is, is that we,

 

1664

00:42:49,233 --> 00:42:49,667

you know,

 

1665

00:42:49,667 --> 00:42:51,368

that's a prime example

 

1666

00:42:51,368 --> 00:42:53,671

of how technology evolves

 

1667

00:42:53,671 --> 00:42:54,738

to allow us to build

 

1668

00:42:54,738 --> 00:42:55,573

beautiful floors

 

1669

00:42:55,573 --> 00:42:57,174

like a Chevron floor

 

1670

00:42:57,174 --> 00:42:58,742

in a more efficient way.

 

1671

00:42:58,742 --> 00:42:59,343

Yeah.

 

1672

00:42:59,376 --> 00:43:00,110

Where it's like

 

1673

00:43:00,110 --> 00:43:01,278

the trackside is a great example.

 

1674

00:43:01,278 --> 00:43:02,212

You pull that track, Sara,

 

1675

00:43:02,212 --> 00:43:03,247

you drop that track down.

 

1676

00:43:03,247 --> 00:43:05,049

Now you're cut in a straight line,

 

1677

00:43:05,049 --> 00:43:06,617

you know, however many feet

 

1678

00:43:06,617 --> 00:43:07,384

long you need.

 

1679

00:43:09,153 --> 00:43:10,688

When and I first started talking,

 

1680

00:43:10,688 --> 00:43:12,289

we started talking about that tool.

 

1681

00:43:12,289 --> 00:43:12,957

That's why I kind of

 

1682

00:43:12,957 --> 00:43:15,159

want to kind of go down this lane. Yeah.

 

1683

00:43:15,392 --> 00:43:16,594

And some guys are like,

 

1684

00:43:16,594 --> 00:43:18,329

and I'm going to have to give a shout out

 

1685

00:43:18,329 --> 00:43:19,296

to just real quick

 

1686

00:43:19,296 --> 00:43:20,130

because my brother

 

1687

00:43:20,130 --> 00:43:23,167

just bought the new it's the T has 55 F

 

1688

00:43:24,001 --> 00:43:26,103

inner curve blade. Yeah.

 

1689

00:43:26,103 --> 00:43:29,073

Instead of the 2.2 millimeter is the 1.8.

 

1690

00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:30,107

Yeah.

 

1691

00:43:30,107 --> 00:43:30,774

Those holy

 

1692

00:43:30,774 --> 00:43:32,977

holy smokes dude it doesn't feel,

 

1693

00:43:32,977 --> 00:43:34,578

it feels a lot more power.

 

1694

00:43:34,578 --> 00:43:35,980

It cuts 50% faster.

 

1695

00:43:35,980 --> 00:43:38,082

The braise s 40% longer.

 

1696

00:43:38,082 --> 00:43:38,649

Yeah.

 

1697

00:43:38,649 --> 00:43:39,917

If you haven't got that one,

 

1698

00:43:39,917 --> 00:43:40,284

it's like,

 

1699

00:43:40,284 --> 00:43:41,819

oh, man, it's just a game changer.

 

1700

00:43:41,819 --> 00:43:43,320

So and the batteries in

 

1701

00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,189

these tools are unbelievable.

 

1702

00:43:45,189 --> 00:43:46,390

Nowadays.

 

1703

00:43:46,557 --> 00:43:48,892

The battery technology, that's another

 

1704

00:43:48,892 --> 00:43:49,860

great one like battery

 

1705

00:43:49,860 --> 00:43:52,096

technology is so interesting to me.

 

1706

00:43:52,096 --> 00:43:53,130

Everything has a battery.

 

1707

00:43:53,130 --> 00:43:54,098

Now you get these

 

1708

00:43:54,098 --> 00:43:55,332

60 inch wide

 

1709

00:43:55,332 --> 00:43:56,400

lawnmowers out

 

1710

00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:57,234

running,

 

1711

00:43:57,234 --> 00:43:59,403

you know, backyard to the battery on it.

 

1712

00:43:59,436 --> 00:43:59,937

Yeah.

 

1713

00:43:59,937 --> 00:44:00,270

You know

 

1714

00:44:00,270 --> 00:44:01,071

it's like, you know,

 

1715

00:44:01,071 --> 00:44:02,139

you don't have the

 

1716

00:44:02,139 --> 00:44:02,873

and I think that

 

1717

00:44:02,873 --> 00:44:05,142

that is super interesting.

 

1718

00:44:05,142 --> 00:44:06,510

Again, it's like

 

1719

00:44:06,510 --> 00:44:06,844

all right

 

1720

00:44:06,844 --> 00:44:08,278

now I have a track saw

 

1721

00:44:08,278 --> 00:44:09,079

with, you know,

 

1722

00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:10,381

with a cord and plugged in.

 

1723

00:44:10,381 --> 00:44:11,415

I'm moving right now.

 

1724

00:44:11,415 --> 00:44:12,816

I got to pull the vacuum down,

 

1725

00:44:12,816 --> 00:44:14,184

you know, pull that cord down.

 

1726

00:44:14,184 --> 00:44:14,685

It's like, well, now

 

1727

00:44:14,685 --> 00:44:15,552

I don't have a track, so

 

1728

00:44:15,552 --> 00:44:17,021

I mean, now I don't have a cord.

 

1729

00:44:17,021 --> 00:44:17,354

I got

 

1730

00:44:17,354 --> 00:44:20,491

I got two batteries on it and I yeah,

 

1731

00:44:21,258 --> 00:44:23,661

the 50% faster is funny because like

 

1732

00:44:23,894 --> 00:44:25,729

you go on social media and people are,

 

1733

00:44:25,729 --> 00:44:26,230

you know,

 

1734

00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:27,064

got to drills

 

1735

00:44:27,064 --> 00:44:27,665

and like see

 

1736

00:44:27,665 --> 00:44:28,365

who who's

 

1737

00:44:28,365 --> 00:44:30,300

screw goes in faster and it's like,

 

1738

00:44:30,300 --> 00:44:30,868

oh, this

 

1739

00:44:30,868 --> 00:44:32,403

this drill's like point 2 seconds

 

1740

00:44:32,403 --> 00:44:33,771

better than the next one.

 

1741

00:44:33,771 --> 00:44:36,106

And the reality is, is like, you know,

 

1742

00:44:36,106 --> 00:44:37,441

okay, like,

 

1743

00:44:37,441 --> 00:44:38,175

do I really care

 

1744

00:44:38,175 --> 00:44:40,110

if that screw goes in to,

 

1745

00:44:40,110 --> 00:44:42,112

you know, 0.2 seconds faster? No.

 

1746

00:44:42,413 --> 00:44:43,080

But when you're

 

1747

00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,181

talking about something like

 

1748

00:44:44,181 --> 00:44:44,882

the tracks are that

 

1749

00:44:44,882 --> 00:44:46,383

cut 50% faster

 

1750

00:44:46,383 --> 00:44:47,651

or, you know, or

 

1751

00:44:47,651 --> 00:44:48,052

feels like

 

1752

00:44:48,052 --> 00:44:49,353

it has more power,

 

1753

00:44:49,353 --> 00:44:51,822

you know, those are those those micro

 

1754

00:44:52,823 --> 00:44:54,191

changes that make a

 

1755

00:44:54,191 --> 00:44:55,259

big difference

 

1756

00:44:55,259 --> 00:44:55,926

where it's like, hey,

 

1757

00:44:55,926 --> 00:44:57,327

that blade's a little.

 

1758

00:44:57,327 --> 00:44:58,796

So it's going to cut faster.

 

1759

00:44:58,796 --> 00:45:00,364

But the reality is it's,

 

1760

00:45:00,364 --> 00:45:02,232

you know, now it's not working as hard.

 

1761

00:45:02,232 --> 00:45:03,734

So when you're plowing through White

 

1762

00:45:03,734 --> 00:45:05,436

Oak for a Chevron,

 

1763

00:45:05,436 --> 00:45:06,270

you don't feel like that

 

1764

00:45:06,270 --> 00:45:07,404

sore is going to give up on you.

 

1765

00:45:07,404 --> 00:45:08,038

You feel like that's

 

1766

00:45:08,038 --> 00:45:08,706

how I was going to power

 

1767

00:45:08,706 --> 00:45:09,740

through all the way.

 

1768

00:45:09,740 --> 00:45:10,641

And that's important

 

1769

00:45:10,641 --> 00:45:12,242

because, you know,

 

1770

00:45:12,242 --> 00:45:14,278

when when it's not doing that

 

1771

00:45:14,278 --> 00:45:15,446

or when you think like,

 

1772

00:45:15,446 --> 00:45:16,547

oh, this is a piece of crap

 

1773

00:45:16,547 --> 00:45:17,748

because it's battery operated,

 

1774

00:45:17,748 --> 00:45:19,083

like you're going to give up on it

 

1775

00:45:19,083 --> 00:45:20,617

and then you revert back and now,

 

1776

00:45:20,617 --> 00:45:22,186

now you're not staying up

 

1777

00:45:22,186 --> 00:45:22,953

with innovation.

 

1778

00:45:22,953 --> 00:45:24,455

Now you're not progressing

 

1779

00:45:24,455 --> 00:45:26,223

on how to continue

 

1780

00:45:26,223 --> 00:45:29,626

to provide a luxury service

 

1781

00:45:30,027 --> 00:45:32,663

for an efficient and fair rate.

 

1782

00:45:33,397 --> 00:45:34,898

There was a point in my life

 

1783

00:45:34,898 --> 00:45:36,500

where I told the kids,

 

1784

00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:37,901

Do not buy me

 

1785

00:45:37,901 --> 00:45:40,170

anything operated by battery.

 

1786

00:45:40,170 --> 00:45:41,205

Yeah, of course it was

 

1787

00:45:41,205 --> 00:45:42,272

when they were like pistol.

 

1788

00:45:42,272 --> 00:45:43,741

Grenade or old.

 

1789

00:45:43,741 --> 00:45:46,610

Because I had the pistol grip Makita.

 

1790

00:45:46,610 --> 00:45:48,178

We saw the first battery stuff

 

1791

00:45:48,178 --> 00:45:49,213

and like this is

 

1792

00:45:49,213 --> 00:45:50,781

I wouldn't give this to my wife.

 

1793

00:45:50,781 --> 00:45:51,882

This is terrible.

 

1794

00:45:51,882 --> 00:45:54,084

I think my my father had

 

1795

00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:56,987

my father had the pistol grip

 

1796

00:45:56,987 --> 00:45:58,088

Makita drill

 

1797

00:45:58,088 --> 00:45:59,656

and that thing had like a battery

 

1798

00:45:59,656 --> 00:46:00,924

that was like nine inches long.

 

1799

00:46:00,924 --> 00:46:01,725

And I'm pretty sure

 

1800

00:46:01,725 --> 00:46:02,459

if you broke it open,

 

1801

00:46:02,459 --> 00:46:02,626

it was

 

1802

00:46:02,626 --> 00:46:05,662

just a bunch of like the size batteries.

 

1803

00:46:05,662 --> 00:46:07,731

Nothing weighed a ton on never I

 

1804

00:46:08,899 --> 00:46:11,969

yeah I'm I remember vividly but you're

 

1805

00:46:11,969 --> 00:46:13,003

I'm with you

 

1806

00:46:13,003 --> 00:46:14,638

I'm like people were buying buying

 

1807

00:46:14,638 --> 00:46:15,572

all these battery operate

 

1808

00:46:15,572 --> 00:46:16,740

I had a battery

 

1809

00:46:16,740 --> 00:46:18,242

operated skill saw

 

1810

00:46:18,242 --> 00:46:18,976

one of the first ones

 

1811

00:46:18,976 --> 00:46:19,877

that came out years ago

 

1812

00:46:19,877 --> 00:46:20,978

and I'm like this piece crap, I'm

 

1813

00:46:20,978 --> 00:46:21,678

going to grab my arm,

 

1814

00:46:21,678 --> 00:46:23,814

drive my car to where I'm warmed up.

 

1815

00:46:24,014 --> 00:46:25,516

I go on a jobsite now.

 

1816

00:46:25,516 --> 00:46:28,152

There's no air hoses, there's no cords.

 

1817

00:46:28,252 --> 00:46:28,886

Yep.

 

1818

00:46:29,153 --> 00:46:30,954

Like one of my guys bought a

 

1819

00:46:30,954 --> 00:46:32,790

a finished gun the other day,

 

1820

00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:33,590

and I'm like, What is that?

 

1821

00:46:33,590 --> 00:46:34,591

And he goes, What do you mean.

 

1822

00:46:34,591 --> 00:46:35,826

It's no finished gun.

 

1823

00:46:35,826 --> 00:46:37,227

I'm like, You don't have a compressor.

 

1824

00:46:37,227 --> 00:46:38,562

He goes, not, you don't think I'm like,

 

1825

00:46:38,562 --> 00:46:40,063

do the battery once suck.

 

1826

00:46:40,063 --> 00:46:41,265

And then he shot it. I'm like,

 

1827

00:46:42,432 --> 00:46:42,933

All right,

 

1828

00:46:42,933 --> 00:46:45,335

maybe I've been out of the loop for

 

1829

00:46:45,335 --> 00:46:45,903

a little bit.

 

1830

00:46:45,903 --> 00:46:48,272

That thing that thing did pretty good.

 

1831

00:46:48,272 --> 00:46:49,173

Well, it's

 

1832

00:46:49,173 --> 00:46:50,174

also about speed

 

1833

00:46:50,174 --> 00:46:52,009

and efficiency and lightweight.

 

1834

00:46:52,009 --> 00:46:53,010

And just there's something

 

1835

00:46:53,010 --> 00:46:54,578

about pulling up to a job

 

1836

00:46:54,578 --> 00:46:56,880

and the confidence of having the best

 

1837

00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:57,181

you know,

 

1838

00:46:57,181 --> 00:46:58,782

the best equipment that you got.

 

1839

00:46:58,782 --> 00:47:00,250

And that's I mean, when we

 

1840

00:47:00,250 --> 00:47:01,785

we had a long conversation about first,

 

1841

00:47:01,785 --> 00:47:03,120

you have the same kind of love

 

1842

00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,222

for that product as I do. Yeah, totally.

 

1843

00:47:05,455 --> 00:47:06,356

And you know,

 

1844

00:47:06,356 --> 00:47:07,724

I was going to ask you when I first met,

 

1845

00:47:07,724 --> 00:47:08,258

you know,

 

1846

00:47:08,258 --> 00:47:09,159

some business guy,

 

1847

00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:10,794

some builders actually,

 

1848

00:47:10,794 --> 00:47:11,461

they could care less

 

1849

00:47:11,461 --> 00:47:12,729

about the craftsman side of it.

 

1850

00:47:12,729 --> 00:47:13,764

They're businesspeople.

 

1851

00:47:13,764 --> 00:47:14,731

And there's nothing wrong with that.

 

1852

00:47:14,731 --> 00:47:15,966

They're running a business.

 

1853

00:47:15,966 --> 00:47:18,001

But but you're not that guy.

 

1854

00:47:18,001 --> 00:47:19,303

I mean, you seem like you're

 

1855

00:47:19,303 --> 00:47:20,737

you're you're a craftsman, too,

 

1856

00:47:20,737 --> 00:47:22,172

and that the tools matter to you.

 

1857

00:47:22,172 --> 00:47:22,706

And you're

 

1858

00:47:22,706 --> 00:47:25,209

very much into that part of the business.

 

1859

00:47:25,209 --> 00:47:25,576

Yeah.

 

1860

00:47:25,576 --> 00:47:27,611

I mean, I was a carpenter first

 

1861

00:47:27,611 --> 00:47:28,612

when I started my company.

 

1862

00:47:28,612 --> 00:47:29,646

I thought I was going to be a carpenter

 

1863

00:47:29,646 --> 00:47:30,948

for my whole life

 

1864

00:47:30,948 --> 00:47:32,749

and I never really expected

 

1865

00:47:32,749 --> 00:47:35,252

to out of that role and put the bags down

 

1866

00:47:36,453 --> 00:47:37,521

even in the cabinet shop.

 

1867

00:47:37,521 --> 00:47:38,355

I started that,

 

1868

00:47:38,355 --> 00:47:40,457

you know, by myself at night.

 

1869

00:47:40,457 --> 00:47:42,726

And then when Ken came on board,

 

1870

00:47:42,726 --> 00:47:43,527

we, you know,

 

1871

00:47:43,527 --> 00:47:44,862

it was under the name Builders

 

1872

00:47:44,862 --> 00:47:46,830

Company for a while

 

1873

00:47:46,830 --> 00:47:47,865

and then he started building

 

1874

00:47:47,865 --> 00:47:48,765

that into a cabinet shop.

 

1875

00:47:48,765 --> 00:47:50,167

And I slowly just,

 

1876

00:47:50,167 --> 00:47:52,469

you know, kind of backed away, you know.

 

1877

00:47:52,469 --> 00:47:53,570

And also,

 

1878

00:47:53,570 --> 00:47:54,271

next thing I know, I'm

 

1879

00:47:54,271 --> 00:47:56,340

not on the tools at all,

 

1880

00:47:56,340 --> 00:47:57,908

but I have a huge appreciation

 

1881

00:47:57,908 --> 00:47:59,042

for them because,

 

1882

00:47:59,042 --> 00:48:00,310

you know, going back to

 

1883

00:48:00,310 --> 00:48:02,412

what is such a core focus for me

 

1884

00:48:02,412 --> 00:48:04,581

individually is efficiency.

 

1885

00:48:04,581 --> 00:48:05,782

And, you know,

 

1886

00:48:05,782 --> 00:48:08,819

and I tell my entire team that, you know,

 

1887

00:48:09,987 --> 00:48:11,021

if there's a tool out there

 

1888

00:48:11,021 --> 00:48:12,623

that's going to make us more efficient,

 

1889

00:48:12,623 --> 00:48:14,925

we're buying it and that's it.

 

1890

00:48:14,958 --> 00:48:16,560

Like, it's not it's not a

 

1891

00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:17,928

okay, well, we'll think about it

 

1892

00:48:17,928 --> 00:48:18,762

and we'll like maybe

 

1893

00:48:18,762 --> 00:48:19,596

we'll buy it next year.

 

1894

00:48:19,596 --> 00:48:20,731

It's no if that,

 

1895

00:48:20,731 --> 00:48:22,799

if that's going to speed up your process,

 

1896

00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,868

you know. Hey, absolutely.

 

1897

00:48:24,868 --> 00:48:26,904

And I mean, naturally, that's

 

1898

00:48:26,904 --> 00:48:28,005

I think that's how we ended up

 

1899

00:48:28,005 --> 00:48:30,240

with the entire slew of festival

 

1900

00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:31,275

that we have

 

1901

00:48:31,275 --> 00:48:32,109

because everything

 

1902

00:48:32,109 --> 00:48:33,010

makes it more efficient.

 

1903

00:48:33,010 --> 00:48:35,045

It's like, Hey, this sander, right?

 

1904

00:48:35,045 --> 00:48:36,813

As I get this sander,

 

1905

00:48:36,813 --> 00:48:39,116

I won't have to clean up as much

 

1906

00:48:39,116 --> 00:48:41,051

because the vacuum's really good.

 

1907

00:48:41,051 --> 00:48:42,786

I'm like, sold. Yeah.

 

1908

00:48:42,786 --> 00:48:44,288

Next thing I know, I got like,

 

1909

00:48:44,288 --> 00:48:45,956

you know, three dust extractors

 

1910

00:48:45,956 --> 00:48:47,724

and six sander showing up to the shop.

 

1911

00:48:48,859 --> 00:48:50,761

But it is it's, you know,

 

1912

00:48:50,761 --> 00:48:51,929

the other side of it

 

1913

00:48:51,929 --> 00:48:54,398

for me is professionalism.

 

1914

00:48:55,399 --> 00:48:56,566

And I mean that like through

 

1915

00:48:56,566 --> 00:48:57,534

the entire process.

 

1916

00:48:57,534 --> 00:48:58,835

And honestly,

 

1917

00:48:58,835 --> 00:49:00,704

like when I walk a jobsite,

 

1918

00:49:00,704 --> 00:49:02,005

I want it to be clean.

 

1919

00:49:02,005 --> 00:49:02,339

You know,

 

1920

00:49:02,339 --> 00:49:04,308

I hate a messy job site

 

1921

00:49:04,308 --> 00:49:06,176

and our job sites are clean like we have

 

1922

00:49:06,176 --> 00:49:06,777

you know,

 

1923

00:49:07,110 --> 00:49:09,046

we have visitors come through constantly

 

1924

00:49:09,046 --> 00:49:10,614

because they want to see our work and.

 

1925

00:49:10,614 --> 00:49:11,581

They always comment on on

 

1926

00:49:11,581 --> 00:49:12,282

how clean it is.

 

1927

00:49:12,282 --> 00:49:13,550

But I'm you know, I'm a stickler.

 

1928

00:49:13,550 --> 00:49:14,885

I'll still tell my guys like,

 

1929

00:49:14,885 --> 00:49:16,186

hey, it's not clean enough.

 

1930

00:49:16,186 --> 00:49:18,689

You know, I want we got we got to operate

 

1931

00:49:18,689 --> 00:49:19,790

as though the client's

 

1932

00:49:19,790 --> 00:49:21,291

about to show up at their kids

 

1933

00:49:21,291 --> 00:49:22,592

all the time

 

1934

00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,928

and and with good tools,

 

1935

00:49:24,928 --> 00:49:25,429

you know,

 

1936

00:49:25,429 --> 00:49:26,530

and like the dust extractors

 

1937

00:49:26,530 --> 00:49:26,997

from festival.

 

1938

00:49:26,997 --> 00:49:28,298

Like, that's huge,

 

1939

00:49:28,298 --> 00:49:29,633

you know, everything's plugged in.

 

1940

00:49:29,633 --> 00:49:31,301

Like, there's not dust everywhere,

 

1941

00:49:31,301 --> 00:49:32,002

you know, there's not

 

1942

00:49:32,002 --> 00:49:34,171

it's not a it's not a disaster.

 

1943

00:49:34,171 --> 00:49:35,105

You know, you prepare that

 

1944

00:49:35,105 --> 00:49:36,239

with a couple of trash barrels

 

1945

00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,275

and the job site can stay pretty clean,

 

1946

00:49:38,542 --> 00:49:40,811

you know, throughout the entire process.

 

1947

00:49:40,811 --> 00:49:41,845

He did. He did.

 

1948

00:49:41,845 --> 00:49:44,047

He listened to our last podcast.

 

1949

00:49:44,047 --> 00:49:45,549

He stole all this man.

 

1950

00:49:45,549 --> 00:49:46,850

I don't think he has the time.

 

1951

00:49:48,452 --> 00:49:49,353

All right, Nick,

 

1952

00:49:49,353 --> 00:49:50,787

he's got all the time in the world.

 

1953

00:49:50,787 --> 00:49:51,655

Listen to him.

 

1954

00:49:51,655 --> 00:49:53,223

Yeah, just delegating everything,

 

1955

00:49:53,223 --> 00:49:54,558

playing Legos. Yeah.

 

1956

00:49:54,558 --> 00:49:56,193

You guys are lucky I didn't delegate.

 

1957

00:49:56,193 --> 00:49:57,594

I could have just had someone else

 

1958

00:49:57,594 --> 00:49:57,894

show up.

 

1959

00:49:57,894 --> 00:49:59,863

Yeah, I'm surprised you even on the show.

 

1960

00:49:59,863 --> 00:50:00,530

Right.

 

1961

00:50:00,931 --> 00:50:03,133

All right, two questions left. Yeah.

 

1962

00:50:03,133 --> 00:50:03,967

Since a lot of you,

 

1963

00:50:03,967 --> 00:50:05,836

obviously our audience are floor guys.

 

1964

00:50:05,836 --> 00:50:07,871

What what is your, like, best tip for?

 

1965

00:50:08,138 --> 00:50:08,872

For if you want to have

 

1966

00:50:08,872 --> 00:50:09,873

a really healthy relationship

 

1967

00:50:09,873 --> 00:50:12,275

with your builder and your subcontractor.

 

1968

00:50:12,275 --> 00:50:13,276

And we know sometimes

 

1969

00:50:13,276 --> 00:50:15,479

things always don't go as planned.

 

1970

00:50:15,479 --> 00:50:16,546

You know, keep that in mind,

 

1971

00:50:16,546 --> 00:50:17,247

you know, whatever.

 

1972

00:50:17,247 --> 00:50:19,149

But what would be a couple of tips

 

1973

00:50:19,149 --> 00:50:20,851

you would leave those guys?

 

1974

00:50:20,851 --> 00:50:21,585

And then the last

 

1975

00:50:21,585 --> 00:50:22,652

question is going to be,

 

1976

00:50:22,652 --> 00:50:23,987

what is your outcome for this year?

 

1977

00:50:23,987 --> 00:50:25,789

I think 2023 is going to look.

 

1978

00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:28,892

So this was

 

1979

00:50:28,892 --> 00:50:29,593

I mean, this can go

 

1980

00:50:29,593 --> 00:50:31,561

for any kind of contractor,

 

1981

00:50:31,561 --> 00:50:32,829

but I'll cater to four guys.

 

1982

00:50:32,829 --> 00:50:33,063

I mean,

 

1983

00:50:33,063 --> 00:50:34,931

I think that for me,

 

1984

00:50:34,931 --> 00:50:37,567

you know, I when I'm reaching out to

 

1985

00:50:38,135 --> 00:50:40,604

to my floor guy and, you know, asking

 

1986

00:50:40,604 --> 00:50:42,105

for, say, a proposal

 

1987

00:50:42,105 --> 00:50:44,841

or some options for this this home,

 

1988

00:50:44,841 --> 00:50:45,642

it really is

 

1989

00:50:45,642 --> 00:50:46,910

good to understand

 

1990

00:50:46,910 --> 00:50:49,546

how they're envisioning the project,

 

1991

00:50:49,546 --> 00:50:50,280

you know,

 

1992

00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,117

and whether that is like a specification

 

1993

00:50:54,117 --> 00:50:55,819

that's clearly outlined

 

1994

00:50:55,819 --> 00:50:57,354

or they're making some assumptions.

 

1995

00:50:57,354 --> 00:50:58,889

Just be upfront about it

 

1996

00:50:58,889 --> 00:51:00,090

and also, you know,

 

1997

00:51:00,090 --> 00:51:02,659

I always I'm always open to understanding

 

1998

00:51:02,659 --> 00:51:03,894

how I can make someone's

 

1999

00:51:03,894 --> 00:51:05,529

job more efficient.

 

2000

00:51:05,529 --> 00:51:07,831

So rather than just submitting a proposal

 

2001

00:51:07,831 --> 00:51:10,333

and hoping that you get it, you know,

 

2002

00:51:10,333 --> 00:51:12,002

walk through that proposal with me

 

2003

00:51:12,002 --> 00:51:12,736

like, hey,

 

2004

00:51:12,736 --> 00:51:13,737

you know, we're thinking,

 

2005

00:51:13,737 --> 00:51:14,004

you know,

 

2006

00:51:14,004 --> 00:51:14,638

this house is going to be

 

2007

00:51:14,638 --> 00:51:16,473

a $20,000 floor job.

 

2008

00:51:16,473 --> 00:51:17,007

You know,

 

2009

00:51:17,007 --> 00:51:19,309

these are the assumptions I'm making.

 

2010

00:51:19,309 --> 00:51:20,544

I'm assuming that,

 

2011

00:51:20,544 --> 00:51:22,679

you know, it's a completely empty house,

 

2012

00:51:23,013 --> 00:51:24,481

you know, and I think that

 

2013

00:51:24,481 --> 00:51:26,016

this actually a great tip

 

2014

00:51:26,016 --> 00:51:27,751

because I think that oftentimes

 

2015

00:51:27,751 --> 00:51:28,685

those are some there's

 

2016

00:51:28,685 --> 00:51:29,786

a lot of assumptions made

 

2017

00:51:29,786 --> 00:51:31,321

that aren't communicated.

 

2018

00:51:31,321 --> 00:51:34,091

So that $20,000 flooring job, you know,

 

2019

00:51:34,091 --> 00:51:35,959

they show up and you have,

 

2020

00:51:35,959 --> 00:51:37,894

you know, maybe a guy in the kitchen

 

2021

00:51:37,894 --> 00:51:39,796

that's doing backsplash.

 

2022

00:51:39,796 --> 00:51:40,163

It's like,

 

2023

00:51:40,163 --> 00:51:41,565

well, he's in my way now

 

2024

00:51:41,565 --> 00:51:43,300

and now it's $22,000.

 

2025

00:51:43,300 --> 00:51:43,800

It's like,

 

2026

00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:44,501

dude, like,

 

2027

00:51:44,501 --> 00:51:45,102

you know,

 

2028

00:51:45,102 --> 00:51:47,170

just we got to have an open dialog.

 

2029

00:51:47,170 --> 00:51:49,506

And I think that oftentimes, you know,

 

2030

00:51:50,674 --> 00:51:52,676

where there's a saying

 

2031

00:51:52,676 --> 00:51:53,210

where it's like

 

2032

00:51:53,210 --> 00:51:55,178

we're quick to get people pregnant

 

2033

00:51:55,178 --> 00:51:56,880

and maybe I made that up, I have no idea.

 

2034

00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,682

But the point is, it's like

 

2035

00:51:58,682 --> 00:51:59,783

like we're quick to like,

 

2036

00:51:59,783 --> 00:52:00,851

hey, I'll get them pregnant.

 

2037

00:52:00,851 --> 00:52:02,185

And then after that, like,

 

2038

00:52:02,185 --> 00:52:02,719

we'll just change

 

2039

00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:03,753

all of the hell out of them

 

2040

00:52:03,753 --> 00:52:05,522

because they can't back up right

 

2041

00:52:05,522 --> 00:52:06,857

where, you know, it's

 

2042

00:52:06,857 --> 00:52:08,425

and I see subs do it too.

 

2043

00:52:08,425 --> 00:52:09,292

It's, you know,

 

2044

00:52:09,292 --> 00:52:10,026

assemble, show up,

 

2045

00:52:10,026 --> 00:52:11,161

give you a great price.

 

2046

00:52:11,161 --> 00:52:11,761

They start

 

2047

00:52:11,761 --> 00:52:12,596

and the next thing you know,

 

2048

00:52:12,596 --> 00:52:14,231

it's like, hey,

 

2049

00:52:14,231 --> 00:52:15,132

this is going to be more money.

 

2050

00:52:15,132 --> 00:52:15,765

It's like, what you mean?

 

2051

00:52:15,765 --> 00:52:16,900

It's like, why didn't include that?

 

2052

00:52:16,900 --> 00:52:17,901

It's like you didn't tell me.

 

2053

00:52:17,901 --> 00:52:18,435

You didn't include it.

 

2054

00:52:18,435 --> 00:52:19,169

It's like, well,

 

2055

00:52:19,169 --> 00:52:19,970

I didn't know they were on that.

 

2056

00:52:19,970 --> 00:52:21,671

It's, it's like, hey,

 

2057

00:52:21,671 --> 00:52:23,406

let's have an open dialog.

 

2058

00:52:23,406 --> 00:52:24,441

You want to have a good relationship

 

2059

00:52:24,441 --> 00:52:25,142

with a builder,

 

2060

00:52:25,142 --> 00:52:26,843

you want to become an asset to them.

 

2061

00:52:26,843 --> 00:52:28,211

And that builder wants to be an asset

 

2062

00:52:28,211 --> 00:52:28,945

to you.

 

2063

00:52:28,945 --> 00:52:30,213

So communicate

 

2064

00:52:30,213 --> 00:52:32,315

what you need to do your job efficiently

 

2065

00:52:32,582 --> 00:52:33,617

and let the builder

 

2066

00:52:33,617 --> 00:52:34,518

also communicate

 

2067

00:52:34,518 --> 00:52:35,752

what he needs from you

 

2068

00:52:35,752 --> 00:52:36,786

to get the best result

 

2069

00:52:36,786 --> 00:52:39,122

and the level of expectation.

 

2070

00:52:39,122 --> 00:52:39,422

You know,

 

2071

00:52:39,422 --> 00:52:40,357

not every not everyone's

 

2072

00:52:40,357 --> 00:52:40,590

got to have

 

2073

00:52:40,590 --> 00:52:42,392

the same level of expectation.

 

2074

00:52:42,392 --> 00:52:44,161

If it's time, if it's quality,

 

2075

00:52:44,161 --> 00:52:45,295

if it's budget, like

 

2076

00:52:45,295 --> 00:52:46,897

what is that North Star

 

2077

00:52:46,897 --> 00:52:48,465

and make sure that that's aligned

 

2078

00:52:48,465 --> 00:52:49,699

with your business.

 

2079

00:52:49,699 --> 00:52:50,267

If you're

 

2080

00:52:50,267 --> 00:52:50,800

if they're

 

2081

00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,202

if they're all about speed

 

2082

00:52:52,202 --> 00:52:53,003

and then cost

 

2083

00:52:53,003 --> 00:52:54,104

and then quality

 

2084

00:52:54,104 --> 00:52:54,971

and you're a quality

 

2085

00:52:54,971 --> 00:52:57,040

first kind of guy, you know,

 

2086

00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:58,742

unless you absolutely need

 

2087

00:52:58,742 --> 00:53:00,210

to fill a slot in your schedule

 

2088

00:53:00,210 --> 00:53:02,145

to to keep the lights on,

 

2089

00:53:02,145 --> 00:53:04,147

why not find someone else?

 

2090

00:53:04,147 --> 00:53:06,616

Go go do floors for someone else.

 

2091

00:53:06,616 --> 00:53:07,951

Our outlook on 23

 

2092

00:53:09,653 --> 00:53:10,487

is great.

 

2093

00:53:10,887 --> 00:53:12,956

We as a builder,

 

2094

00:53:12,956 --> 00:53:15,058

we've been doing custom for years

 

2095

00:53:15,058 --> 00:53:15,725

and years and years.

 

2096

00:53:15,725 --> 00:53:17,894

We just bought a property to do our first

 

2097

00:53:19,663 --> 00:53:21,698

development on which will be a

 

2098

00:53:21,765 --> 00:53:24,267

luxury single family

 

2099

00:53:24,267 --> 00:53:25,468

and we're going to approach it in

 

2100

00:53:25,468 --> 00:53:27,737

an entirely different way, very

 

2101

00:53:28,939 --> 00:53:31,808

true to the way we operate.

 

2102

00:53:31,975 --> 00:53:33,343

And we're excited about that.

 

2103

00:53:33,343 --> 00:53:35,612

We're excited about how that will kind

 

2104

00:53:35,612 --> 00:53:37,814

shape our business for the next three to

 

2105

00:53:38,748 --> 00:53:40,650

an infinite years.

 

2106

00:53:40,650 --> 00:53:43,520

Um, and we have some projects

 

2107

00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,522

that are customs that are in construction

 

2108

00:53:45,522 --> 00:53:47,290

now that are beautiful.

 

2109

00:53:47,290 --> 00:53:48,391

And my team has,

 

2110

00:53:48,391 --> 00:53:48,658

you know,

 

2111

00:53:48,658 --> 00:53:49,726

we've made some

 

2112

00:53:49,726 --> 00:53:50,794

amazing progress

 

2113

00:53:50,794 --> 00:53:52,963

with our team structure and

 

2114

00:53:54,064 --> 00:53:55,832

delegating.

 

2115

00:53:55,832 --> 00:53:57,200

And it's,

 

2116

00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,803

it's been fun to be in the driver's seat

 

2117

00:53:59,803 --> 00:54:01,871

and and help grow that.

 

2118

00:54:02,706 --> 00:54:05,275

And it's fun to to watch my team

 

2119

00:54:05,275 --> 00:54:07,644

do such a great job at what they do.

 

2120

00:54:07,644 --> 00:54:09,679

And and I hope to,

 

2121

00:54:09,679 --> 00:54:09,946

you know,

 

2122

00:54:09,946 --> 00:54:11,848

continue that and continue to encourage

 

2123

00:54:11,848 --> 00:54:13,216

really great work.

 

2124

00:54:13,316 --> 00:54:13,650

You know,

 

2125

00:54:13,650 --> 00:54:15,085

when we started the show,

 

2126

00:54:15,085 --> 00:54:17,320

the first thing you said was

 

2127

00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:18,421

communication.

 

2128

00:54:18,421 --> 00:54:19,689

And then

 

2129

00:54:19,689 --> 00:54:21,224

almost every aspect

 

2130

00:54:21,224 --> 00:54:23,493

of everything we've talked about

 

2131

00:54:23,493 --> 00:54:25,695

since then, communication

 

2132

00:54:25,695 --> 00:54:27,330

was always a part of it.

 

2133

00:54:27,330 --> 00:54:29,499

So hopefully that is something

 

2134

00:54:29,499 --> 00:54:30,300

that everybody's

 

2135

00:54:30,300 --> 00:54:31,501

going to take away from this.

 

2136

00:54:31,501 --> 00:54:33,903

How important that is with customers

 

2137

00:54:33,903 --> 00:54:36,506

subs, your, your crew, everybody

 

2138

00:54:36,973 --> 00:54:37,574

that just

 

2139

00:54:38,608 --> 00:54:41,344

I hope that's a real eye opener.

 

2140

00:54:41,845 --> 00:54:44,180

Listen, I mean, it's been a pleasure.

 

2141

00:54:44,180 --> 00:54:45,882

I really appreciate. This. Time.

 

2142

00:54:45,882 --> 00:54:47,350

I know you're busy as can be, man.

 

2143

00:54:47,350 --> 00:54:48,551

And so making the time to do

 

2144

00:54:48,551 --> 00:54:50,387

this is is is a big deal.

 

2145

00:54:50,387 --> 00:54:51,554

So we really appreciate you.

 

2146

00:54:51,554 --> 00:54:53,256

Wait, I have one more question.

 

2147

00:54:53,256 --> 00:54:54,991

I'm not done right.

 

2148

00:54:54,991 --> 00:54:56,159

And I think this is going

 

2149

00:54:56,159 --> 00:54:56,993

to be the most important

 

2150

00:54:56,993 --> 00:54:59,896

question of the show. Sure.

 

2151

00:54:59,896 --> 00:55:00,764

Do you think the Bruins

 

2152

00:55:00,764 --> 00:55:02,365

are going to keep this up?

 

2153

00:55:02,365 --> 00:55:05,402

Can I answer that super honestly.

 

2154

00:55:05,402 --> 00:55:06,970

I'm not sure from Boston.

 

2155

00:55:06,970 --> 00:55:09,572

I'm not a sports guy. I know. Okay.

 

2156

00:55:09,839 --> 00:55:11,541

And this is like the third time

 

2157

00:55:11,541 --> 00:55:12,842

this has happened on a podcast

 

2158

00:55:12,842 --> 00:55:14,511

where someone asked me a sport.

 

2159

00:55:14,511 --> 00:55:15,679

I just

 

2160

00:55:15,679 --> 00:55:17,447

maybe it's because I don't have the time.

 

2161

00:55:17,447 --> 00:55:19,449

I appreciate like I'll go to the games,

 

2162

00:55:19,449 --> 00:55:20,450

but I have no idea

 

2163

00:55:20,450 --> 00:55:21,751

what's going on in sports. Right.

 

2164

00:55:21,751 --> 00:55:22,952

You know, it's funny.

 

2165

00:55:22,952 --> 00:55:25,388

It reminds me of Bill Murray.

 

2166

00:55:25,388 --> 00:55:27,390

He was being interviewed one day

 

2167

00:55:27,390 --> 00:55:28,992

and they said, you know,

 

2168

00:55:28,992 --> 00:55:30,360

how do you make the time

 

2169

00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:31,561

for everything that you do

 

2170

00:55:31,561 --> 00:55:32,128

and this and that?

 

2171

00:55:32,128 --> 00:55:34,964

And he goes, he goes, it breaks my heart.

 

2172

00:55:34,964 --> 00:55:36,099

But I had to give something up.

 

2173

00:55:36,099 --> 00:55:37,500

And he said, I,

 

2174

00:55:37,500 --> 00:55:39,502

I had to say goodbye to the NHL.

 

2175

00:55:39,502 --> 00:55:40,637

I just

 

2176

00:55:40,904 --> 00:55:42,472

there was one thing I had to give up.

 

2177

00:55:42,472 --> 00:55:44,240

I just didn't have the time,

 

2178

00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:46,710

so it was the NHL, so I get it.

 

2179

00:55:47,110 --> 00:55:47,544

Yeah.

 

2180

00:55:47,544 --> 00:55:49,279

So I don't know if they're going to

 

2181

00:55:49,279 --> 00:55:50,280

keep it up.

 

2182

00:55:50,347 --> 00:55:52,082

They will. They're going to keep it up.

 

2183

00:55:52,082 --> 00:55:53,483

All right. I'll try.

 

2184

00:55:53,483 --> 00:55:54,551

Well, next time someone asked me

 

2185

00:55:54,551 --> 00:55:56,686

that, I'll be like, well, I think so.

 

2186

00:55:56,686 --> 00:55:58,188

And I'll have you go.

 

2187

00:55:58,188 --> 00:55:59,189

Yeah. Yeah.

 

2188

00:55:59,189 --> 00:55:59,956

There you go.

 

2189

00:55:59,956 --> 00:56:00,957

Nick, thank you so much.

 

2190

00:56:00,957 --> 00:56:01,925

It's been a pleasure. Thank you.

 

2191

00:56:01,925 --> 00:56:03,426

Really appreciate all your insights.

 

2192

00:56:03,426 --> 00:56:03,993

And and

 

2193

00:56:03,993 --> 00:56:05,128

I think we got to really get

 

2194

00:56:05,128 --> 00:56:05,762

a lot out of this.

 

2195

00:56:05,762 --> 00:56:07,197

So, again, thank you very much.

 

2196

00:56:07,197 --> 00:56:08,498

This has been another episode

 

2197

00:56:08,498 --> 00:56:09,999

of On the Floor with Wayne and Ron.

 

2198

00:56:09,999 --> 00:56:17,841

Please stay tuned for another episode.