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Hello and welcome to
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another award
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winning episode of On the Floor
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with Wayne and Rob.
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I'm Wayne Highlander with Bona Adhesives.
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I'm Rob Johnson with thee Bona Training
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the award winning Bona Training.
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I don't know what award we've won,
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but there's got to be
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something out there.
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It doesn't.
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That I tell you, though.
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Doesn't that
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just have the Swedish ring to it,
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The award winning on the floor
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with Wayne Highlander by himself.
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The award winning Wayne Highlander.
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You like that, don't you?
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Yeah.
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Just one Yeah.
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Really?
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You've done about 100.
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I'm really just holding you back,
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You would have won
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so many of those awards without me.
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I want to do one by myself.
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That's like your wife saying,
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you know what? This year's vacation.
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I think I want to go alone.
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Oh, okay.
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You know, I have an uncle.
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And then that went on vacation to,
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to the Caribbean and went scuba diving.
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They got a super scuba
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diving instructor by a Caribbean guy.
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The next year, my uncle couldn't go.
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Well,
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that was probably the worst decision
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of his entire life, because his wife went
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and is now and married
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to that scuba diving instructor
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in, in the Caribbean.
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That was in a movie.
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You know.
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That happened in a movie, too.
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Yeah.
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I think the name of the movie was.
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Along Came Paulie.
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Was Ben Stiller.
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And,
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Jennifer Aniston.
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And his wife.
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That was it with the scuba diver.
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She was in, Will and Grace.
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She was grace and Will and Grace.
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Yeah.
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And Debra messing being there.
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There you go.
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Debra messing and her and her.
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And, the guy just got Ben Stiller.
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Got married on their honeymoon.
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She's going to town with the, scuba
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diver instructor.
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Going to town.
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Wow.
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He's.
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She came back and paid for
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that guy's ticket to move to America.
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What?
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What year did this happen?
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Okay.
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This movie came out
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in, I would say mid 90s.
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Long came Polly.
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I think it was.
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I think that was the name of the movie
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Along Came Polly.
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Funny movie.
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Yeah, I give it a seven.
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The Johnson ranking.
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Give it a seven. Yeah.
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All right, let's stay on movies.
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How was your fourth?
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How was your 4th of July?
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It was fantastic.
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We had about 30 people over the house,
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Nice.
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you know, the circle of life.
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It's when we first moved to Tennessee,
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but a lot of friends,
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you know,
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a lot of their kids
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are, like, 15 years old in that range.
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have little two year
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olds, one year olds, the newborns
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running around.
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of little babies in the house.
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Awesome.
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We did the whole
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pool thing.
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Swimming, barbecue, tons of fire,
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tons of fireworks.
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Then Sunday, I had everybody back
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for brunch. More pool.
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But since we were talking about movies
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for Father's Day, my son gave me,
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he goes, here's your Father's Day gift.
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to, a local theater.
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They were going to show Jaws on
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July 5th on the big screen.
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Wait wait wait wait wait wait.
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That was a present
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he gave you as a present.
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Yes. Yeah.
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Father's day.
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Yeah.
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Just a couple weeks ago.
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It's, it it
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it had a lot of, sentimental
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jaws on the big screen,
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but we were also taking his oldest
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boy, Hendrick.
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Right.
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Because that's it.
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That's the Johnson movie.
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The Johnson movie is jaws.
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Everybody in the family, right?
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So Hendrick said to me,
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Bob, what do you think I'll do?
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You think I'll be scared?
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I said, well, Hendrick,
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two people when they see
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jaws,
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you were going to walk out of there,
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1 or 2 people. Okay.
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I said you could walk out like Nana.
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Never went back in the water again.
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Saw jaws
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and never went back in the water.
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Said or you could walk out like me
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and your dad.
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Well,
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we bought underwater cameras and scuba
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gear and snorkel gear
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and we went looking for.
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Now he's been snorkeling for a few years
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already.
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Right. The kid?
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So we go to the movie and it was
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it was just great.
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It was awesome. Okay.
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And we walk out and we walk into the car,
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he looks at me and he goes, boy,
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I wish we could go to the beach tomorrow.
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I was like, see, there you go.
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You're that.
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Yeah, that a boy?
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That's my boy. Yeah, that was fun.
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Fun time.
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The great holiday 250 years.
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I was just telling Pauline to.
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I know her body was jacked up
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about 250 years,
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but I think more people were jacked up
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about 200 years.
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And you know why?
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This is just my feeling
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you were around for that, right?
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You remember 1976.
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Well, what was it called?
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They didn't call it 200.
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Say that again.
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It was called the Bicentennial.
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That name just rolled off the tongue.
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Nobody called it 200 years. Nobody.
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You know what I mean?
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It was the bicentennial.
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It had a good name.
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And I think that's why
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I think it hit home
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a little bit more than.
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Hey, don't get me wrong, 250.
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That's amazing.
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But
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Bicentennial,
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that's like.
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That's, like, on the floor
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with Wayne and Rob or the award winning
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on the floor with Wayne and Rob.
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1976,
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I was living in a small town in Kentucky,
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and they buried a time capsule
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at the courthouse.
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We talked on the last episode
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about how time flies
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and how you just just, you know,
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click of a finger.
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You're gone 50 years.
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This this week before July 4th,
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they they
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the whole plan was
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and they put a marker up
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1976 Bicentennial.
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We we we buried a time capsule
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with a bunch of different stuff in there.
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I don't know what's even in there.
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And they said,
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I assume one of them was my jerseys
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from the high school.
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I played that,
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my jersey in particular, but who knows?
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You don't know, right?
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was to dig it up 50 years later.
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Now standing
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there is a 16 year old kid in 1976.
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Do you think that
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I thought I would ever, 50 years
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later, be around
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when they were digging
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that thing up again?
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But Never.
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50 years later,
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it's in the newspaper
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there, dug it back up.
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I have yet to see what's in it.
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I have to ask my friend
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who still lives there, but,
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But they're pretty.
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Pretty, That's awesome.
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Yeah. idea.
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That's just like when you do
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floors and you,
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put newspapers underneath the floor.
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You ever do that
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I never I never
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did that, but
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Pete and I ripped up a floor
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one day and meet Pete.
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And the owner of the house
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sat reading newspapers.
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I would say for three hours.
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Papers.
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It was all newspapers
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from, like, the 30s and 40. It was.
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It was awesome.
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I mean, it was awesome.
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The guy was more jacked about what
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we found under the floor
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as we were tearing out
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than he was about his new floors.
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It was just crazy stuff.
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So funny.
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newspapers under the floors,
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we put business cards, we've sign boards.
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And, we've also put like, today it's,
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it's 2000 or it's, let's say it's 1987.
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So and so is president
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and the election is, is it so and so on.
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And we think
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someone's always going to win
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and we put down
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whoever we think is
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damn sure not going to win.
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You know what I Yeah.
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put down different stuff in there.
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I put them before
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I put this floor down here for the last
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a lifetime. So put it back. Put that on
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We once we
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once had to put, new gutters,
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in a bowling alley
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just outside of
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Pittsfield, Massachusetts.
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And when when we got there
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and everything, my dad said.
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Yeah, this was one of the last
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jobs your great grandfather built.
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I was like, wow. Really?
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Yeah. He goes, yep.
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This was, you know,
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this is one of the last ones
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that he built.
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I was like, oh, this is great.
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So we're, you know,
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tearing up
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all the old gutters
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and stuff, put new ones in and it,
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I bet we found
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20 bottles of whiskey empty.
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Yeah, it's
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it was up with.
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It was only like a 16 lane bowling alley.
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I was like, holy it was. Yeah.
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He goes,
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they would, you know,
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get to the end of the lane.
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Or I was like, oh my gosh.
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Yeah,
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right there.
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I got a
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question to ask you.
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And I it's going to kind of
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have something to do with today's show.
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But we are going to do a show
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today, right.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Guy, put down the guys, get a three.
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I just talked to him this morning.
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He's got a 3000ft install.
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He wants to put roll guard down,
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but somebody already painted the plywood
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with, Zinser
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3000ft.
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He wants to put roll guard
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because he's doing a glue nail assist.
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Does he have to sand that Zenger up?
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Yeah, I would two reasons.
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One, you don't want that much.
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You don't want to seal the floor
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that much.
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And the more
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the properties of the Royal Guard
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is so more effective than Zinser.
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So you definitely want to get
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that off the floor first.
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Okay. Yeah.
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And you want to make sure that as a
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reaction with the wood and everything.
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So yeah I know it's it's a lot 3000ft².
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But best practice
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I would, I would take that
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Okay,
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that's what I'll tell him.
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Yeah.
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Perfect.
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So we were talking about how,
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you know, of a, floor
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guys knowledgeable because we
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we had a guy come up to us one time, said
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he was a journeyman floor man.
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And I thought,
353
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well, if a guy comes up and tells me,
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you know, ask the guy,
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you know, the whole deal with this guy
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wasn't a journeyman floor man.
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He didn't know. He didn't know much.
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He was very much lacking.
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He had a rudimentary education
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and, and floors and, and, and Guys,
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I thought we were going
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to keep this between you and I.
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You know,
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I have to tell everybody
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everything about me.
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You know what I mean? Yeah.
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Under the bridge.
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Are they? Be okay with it now?
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Yeah.
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Experience doesn't equal expertise.
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Yes.
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Oh, by the way, since you said that
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on our local, local town,
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a guy asked,
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he goes, I'm a I'm a contractor.
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I'm kind of new in the area.
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Kind of get a sense on what
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what guys are charging
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right here, you know, for jobs
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and what is acceptable in the area,
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blah, blah, blah.
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And what do you guys is homeowners
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feel like
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is it acceptable amount to charge
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and that this is very interesting.
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Here's what.
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Oh, don't.
388
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Oh, please.
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respond to us.
390
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I think it's reasonable to start at $20
391
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an hour
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to the contractor,
393
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and I add a dollar
394
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for every year of experience.
395
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So we've been doing floors
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for or not wedding floors.
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It has been 20 years experience.
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Then that be $40 an hour.
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That's the stupidest thing
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I've ever heard in my life,
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was I gotta do anything.
402
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Well.
403
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Yeah.
404
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Give me this guy's number.
405
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I want to go work for him.
406
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Okay.
407
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I'm going to get 70 bucks an hour.
408
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Yeah.
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Pay me. Yeah.
410
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70 bucks.
411
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Look at him.
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He hasn't got out of the truck.
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As soon as I hit the driveway,
414
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buddy, $75.
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The meter's running.
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All right.
417
00:14:21,727 --> 00:14:22,862
But our show is about
418
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today is like all right.
419
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Well how do you determine a, a journeyman
420
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a journeyman, guy who's been around
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he's been around the industry.
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He's knowledgeable.
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He's knowledgeable about the industry
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and the trade and everything.
425
00:14:34,974 --> 00:14:37,343
Like what would you ask him?
426
00:14:37,343 --> 00:14:38,277
And we have
427
00:14:38,277 --> 00:14:39,812
we wrote down some questions
428
00:14:39,812 --> 00:14:42,548
that maybe you would ask this guy.
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I'll start with number one, Rob.
430
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Okay.
431
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Yeah.
432
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Yes.
433
00:15:05,671 --> 00:15:06,705
Okay,
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here's what we're looking for.
435
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Number one.
436
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And these are,
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these are things that he could
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he could,
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he could bring up one
440
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relative humidity
441
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RH testing was ASTM, F 270.
442
00:15:20,019 --> 00:15:22,521
Calcium chloride testing.
443
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The interesting
444
00:15:23,689 --> 00:15:24,590
talk to him about the difference
445
00:15:24,590 --> 00:15:26,058
between the two of them,
446
00:15:26,058 --> 00:15:27,126
understanding
447
00:15:27,126 --> 00:15:29,528
of moisture mitigation systems
448
00:15:29,528 --> 00:15:30,296
and discussion
449
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of manufacture moisture limitations.
450
00:15:32,765 --> 00:15:35,768
Okay.
451
00:15:38,137 --> 00:15:39,705
I'll do number two.
452
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Yeah,
453
00:15:41,340 --> 00:15:44,176
yeah.
454
00:15:44,176 --> 00:15:46,412
So I'm going to ask you,
455
00:15:46,412 --> 00:15:48,047
what acclimation procedures
456
00:15:48,047 --> 00:15:49,682
do you follow for solid
457
00:15:49,682 --> 00:15:52,685
and engineered hardwood flooring?
458
00:15:52,985 --> 00:15:53,385
Okay.
459
00:15:53,385 --> 00:15:54,353
So what are you looking for
460
00:15:54,353 --> 00:15:56,555
when you ask that question?
461
00:15:56,555 --> 00:15:59,925
Depends on the manufacturer requirements.
462
00:15:59,925 --> 00:16:02,928
Number one answer.
463
00:16:04,229 --> 00:16:04,997
Measuring moisture
464
00:16:04,997 --> 00:16:08,000
content of both flooring and subfloor.
465
00:16:08,901 --> 00:16:10,970
Understanding that the acclimation
466
00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:12,037
is about
467
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moisture equilibrium, not just time.
468
00:16:18,410 --> 00:16:20,312
Do me a favor and dive into
469
00:16:20,312 --> 00:16:23,282
the equilibrium thing, please, because.
470
00:16:24,950 --> 00:16:26,652
We get this at schools
471
00:16:26,652 --> 00:16:26,986
a lot
472
00:16:26,986 --> 00:16:29,621
people talking about the equilibrium
473
00:16:29,621 --> 00:16:31,623
and what's right and what's wrong.
474
00:16:31,623 --> 00:16:33,759
I want to hear from the horse's mouth.
475
00:16:33,759 --> 00:16:35,094
when if talk about
476
00:16:35,094 --> 00:16:35,961
equilibrium, that's
477
00:16:35,961 --> 00:16:37,496
when the wood is neither
478
00:16:37,496 --> 00:16:38,530
gaining nor losing.
479
00:16:38,530 --> 00:16:40,632
Moisturize its equilibrium.
480
00:16:40,632 --> 00:16:42,701
If you're wondering about the
481
00:16:42,701 --> 00:16:43,702
the the difference
482
00:16:43,702 --> 00:16:44,603
in the moisture content
483
00:16:44,603 --> 00:16:45,871
between the wood floor and the subfloor,
484
00:16:45,871 --> 00:16:47,906
is that what you're Yes.
485
00:16:47,906 --> 00:16:49,708
Yes.
486
00:16:49,708 --> 00:16:50,476
plank floors,
487
00:16:50,476 --> 00:16:51,777
which is defined by anything,
488
00:16:51,777 --> 00:16:53,212
there's a three inches or over,
489
00:16:53,212 --> 00:16:54,279
it should be within
490
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two percentage points.
491
00:16:56,015 --> 00:16:57,349
And for strip flooring
492
00:16:57,349 --> 00:16:58,117
it should be within
493
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four percentage points like two and a
494
00:17:01,553 --> 00:17:03,422
Okay. Yes.
495
00:17:03,422 --> 00:17:05,357
Now that, the.
496
00:17:05,357 --> 00:17:06,658
You know, you know what?
497
00:17:06,658 --> 00:17:08,360
You're you're smarter than you look,
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00:17:09,528 --> 00:17:12,164
That was,
499
00:17:12,164 --> 00:17:15,167
You get two belts for that, one
500
00:17:15,234 --> 00:17:18,203
for run, strip four on strip two on five.
501
00:17:18,570 --> 00:17:21,006
Okay. Got it. right.
502
00:17:21,006 --> 00:17:22,041
What are the most common
503
00:17:22,041 --> 00:17:22,841
causes of cutting,
504
00:17:22,841 --> 00:17:23,842
crowding or gapping
505
00:17:23,842 --> 00:17:25,444
in the hardwood floors?
506
00:17:25,444 --> 00:17:26,412
What I'm looking for
507
00:17:26,412 --> 00:17:28,380
is for him to talk about moisture
508
00:17:28,380 --> 00:17:30,249
or moisture imbalance.
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00:17:30,249 --> 00:17:31,784
Seasonal, humid,
510
00:17:31,784 --> 00:17:33,652
seasonal humidity changes.
511
00:17:33,652 --> 00:17:34,153
What's up?
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00:17:34,153 --> 00:17:35,387
Floors, Hvac
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00:17:35,387 --> 00:17:38,390
issues, improper installation practices.
514
00:17:39,158 --> 00:17:40,259
Let's just have some knowledge
515
00:17:40,259 --> 00:17:43,262
about those type of areas, right?
516
00:17:44,229 --> 00:17:44,563
All right.
517
00:17:44,563 --> 00:17:45,998
I wrote this one.
518
00:17:45,998 --> 00:17:46,999
You wrote the next one answered.
519
00:17:46,999 --> 00:17:48,133
Please go ahead and read your next.
520
00:17:48,133 --> 00:17:50,135
So go ahead and.
521
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You sure?
522
00:17:52,404 --> 00:17:53,105
All right.
523
00:17:53,105 --> 00:17:55,340
When would you recommend
524
00:17:55,340 --> 00:17:58,210
a moisture mitigation system
525
00:17:58,210 --> 00:18:01,213
and what options are available?
526
00:18:01,447 --> 00:18:03,949
Here's what we're looking for.
527
00:18:03,949 --> 00:18:06,752
High rates in the concrete.
528
00:18:06,752 --> 00:18:07,719
New construction
529
00:18:09,555 --> 00:18:11,723
below grade installation
530
00:18:11,723 --> 00:18:14,726
roll on barriers epoxy systems
531
00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:18,464
understanding of warranty implications.
532
00:18:19,298 --> 00:18:20,632
We're starting to see something.
533
00:18:20,632 --> 00:18:21,733
Here are we.
534
00:18:21,733 --> 00:18:24,002
Everyone has definitely something
535
00:18:24,002 --> 00:18:27,005
about checking in with the manufacturer
536
00:18:28,073 --> 00:18:31,043
of the wood.
537
00:18:35,814 --> 00:18:36,548
Wait.
538
00:18:36,548 --> 00:18:38,450
Hey, wait.
539
00:18:38,450 --> 00:18:41,453
I gotta ask the horse another one?
540
00:18:41,954 --> 00:18:42,788
Yeah.
541
00:18:42,788 --> 00:18:45,057
You see,
542
00:18:45,057 --> 00:18:48,060
are there still epoxy systems out there?
543
00:18:49,962 --> 00:18:51,063
Epoxy systems
544
00:18:51,063 --> 00:18:53,465
are the holy grail of moisture barriers,
545
00:18:53,465 --> 00:18:54,867
in my opinion.
546
00:18:54,867 --> 00:18:56,435
However, you see,
547
00:18:56,435 --> 00:18:57,336
a lot of them are being used
548
00:18:57,336 --> 00:18:58,637
less and less.
549
00:18:58,637 --> 00:19:00,706
You know, there's some downside.
550
00:19:00,706 --> 00:19:01,340
I mean, they have
551
00:19:01,340 --> 00:19:02,341
short life,
552
00:19:02,341 --> 00:19:05,177
some got a lot of smell to them.
553
00:19:05,177 --> 00:19:07,045
They're hot, hot, hot.
554
00:19:07,045 --> 00:19:09,681
The need when you mix them together.
555
00:19:09,681 --> 00:19:12,351
So, now with a lot of,
556
00:19:12,351 --> 00:19:16,488
adhesive manufacturers offering,
557
00:19:16,622 --> 00:19:19,625
limited warranties, that's also kind of
558
00:19:20,292 --> 00:19:20,993
part of the reason,
559
00:19:20,993 --> 00:19:21,527
probably why
560
00:19:21,527 --> 00:19:23,462
the two part epoxy is going away.
561
00:19:23,462 --> 00:19:24,863
The roll of moisture barriers
562
00:19:24,863 --> 00:19:26,698
well, may not be as effective.
563
00:19:26,698 --> 00:19:28,700
I'm being completely honest.
564
00:19:28,700 --> 00:19:31,904
Super simple to use,
565
00:19:34,973 --> 00:19:35,707
What are the
566
00:19:35,707 --> 00:19:38,710
prices on epoxy systems?
567
00:19:39,077 --> 00:19:40,012
They got to be.
568
00:19:40,012 --> 00:19:42,981
They got to be wicked expensive.
569
00:19:54,526 --> 00:19:57,529
Well, the reason that the
570
00:19:57,563 --> 00:19:59,631
the reason, I asked was
571
00:19:59,631 --> 00:20:01,800
we used to use a lot of epoxies.
572
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:02,668
We had
573
00:20:02,668 --> 00:20:04,570
there was an epoxy bone lane
574
00:20:04,570 --> 00:20:06,271
finish system,
575
00:20:06,271 --> 00:20:09,541
and it was a four minute epoxy.
576
00:20:09,541 --> 00:20:10,876
And you had four minute,
577
00:20:10,876 --> 00:20:13,879
you had like a minute to mix it,
578
00:20:14,379 --> 00:20:16,448
and then you had about 3.5 minutes
579
00:20:16,448 --> 00:20:19,451
to get down to the lane end of the lane
580
00:20:19,451 --> 00:20:21,386
and draw it all the way back.
581
00:20:21,386 --> 00:20:23,088
And
582
00:20:23,088 --> 00:20:25,324
after that, it would be almost too
583
00:20:25,324 --> 00:20:26,024
hot in your hand
584
00:20:26,024 --> 00:20:28,594
to, to hold on to anymore.
585
00:20:28,594 --> 00:20:30,162
And then it was hard
586
00:20:30,162 --> 00:20:32,731
like three, four minutes later.
587
00:20:32,731 --> 00:20:34,533
But the other problem they had with
588
00:20:34,533 --> 00:20:38,570
it was just some nasty, caustic stuff.
589
00:20:38,570 --> 00:20:39,538
I can't believe that there's
590
00:20:39,538 --> 00:20:41,039
still any type of
591
00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:42,808
epoxy systems left out there.
592
00:20:45,143 --> 00:20:47,145
I mean, it, it wore like iron,
593
00:20:47,145 --> 00:20:50,148
but it was just,
594
00:20:50,849 --> 00:20:52,017
we used to have to put it down
595
00:20:52,017 --> 00:20:55,020
with a 35 pound squeegee.
596
00:20:55,287 --> 00:20:57,422
Yeah, it was it was just brutal stuff.
597
00:20:57,422 --> 00:20:58,790
Nasty.
598
00:20:58,790 --> 00:21:00,592
All right, let's keep going here.
599
00:21:00,592 --> 00:21:03,562
We're going to run out of time.
600
00:21:04,229 --> 00:21:06,164
and pressure sensitive adhesive?
601
00:21:06,164 --> 00:21:07,199
Well, are you looking for a product?
602
00:21:07,199 --> 00:21:08,800
The benefits and limitations
603
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:09,468
of each adhesive
604
00:21:09,468 --> 00:21:10,702
technology,
605
00:21:10,702 --> 00:21:13,705
and recognizing where it should be used
606
00:21:13,839 --> 00:21:14,940
or should not be used?
607
00:21:14,940 --> 00:21:16,675
I'll say
608
00:21:16,675 --> 00:21:17,976
Should not be used.
609
00:21:17,976 --> 00:21:20,979
Even better.
610
00:21:22,314 --> 00:21:23,582
All right.
611
00:21:23,582 --> 00:21:26,351
What industry organizations and standards
612
00:21:26,351 --> 00:21:27,386
do you rely on
613
00:21:27,386 --> 00:21:30,389
when making installation decisions?
614
00:21:30,622 --> 00:21:32,858
Here's what we're looking for.
615
00:21:32,858 --> 00:21:35,861
And WFA National Law Association
616
00:21:36,028 --> 00:21:38,730
ASTM standards
617
00:21:38,730 --> 00:21:41,133
I have no idea what ASTM stands for.
618
00:21:41,133 --> 00:21:42,968
I bet you do though.
619
00:21:42,968 --> 00:21:45,237
I think it's American scientific
620
00:21:45,237 --> 00:21:46,104
testing methods.
621
00:21:46,104 --> 00:21:47,306
I think I could be wrong.
622
00:21:47,306 --> 00:21:49,574
It's Oh nice
623
00:21:50,842 --> 00:21:51,910
manufacturer.
624
00:21:51,910 --> 00:21:52,711
Here we go again.
625
00:21:52,711 --> 00:21:55,080
Manufacturer installation guidelines.
626
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,684
Awareness of industry best practices.
627
00:21:59,751 --> 00:22:00,919
And think of everything
628
00:22:00,919 --> 00:22:03,922
that's happened with adhesives and,
629
00:22:04,022 --> 00:22:04,990
moisture
630
00:22:04,990 --> 00:22:05,991
mitigation systems
631
00:22:05,991 --> 00:22:08,994
and everything in the last ten years.
632
00:22:09,428 --> 00:22:10,629
The changes.
633
00:22:10,629 --> 00:22:13,465
American Society for testing, materials,
634
00:22:13,465 --> 00:22:14,633
testing and materials.
635
00:22:14,633 --> 00:22:16,735
Well, I American society.
636
00:22:16,735 --> 00:22:19,604
been a long time. Yep.
637
00:22:19,604 --> 00:22:20,472
All right, number
638
00:22:20,472 --> 00:22:21,973
I think American scientific.
639
00:22:21,973 --> 00:22:24,309
I'm going to go with yours.
640
00:22:24,309 --> 00:22:26,244
Yours definitely sounded better.
641
00:22:26,244 --> 00:22:28,313
Yeah.
642
00:22:28,313 --> 00:22:28,880
Well, I told you,
643
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:29,815
I know a lot about the leading
644
00:22:29,815 --> 00:22:30,549
frost effect,
645
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:31,750
which is another scientific.
646
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:34,753
647
00:22:38,623 --> 00:22:40,625
Nice.
648
00:22:40,625 --> 00:22:42,561
Number seven, if a homeowner tells you
649
00:22:42,561 --> 00:22:44,329
their floor is squeaking, what steps
650
00:22:44,329 --> 00:22:47,332
do you take to identify the root cause?
651
00:22:47,366 --> 00:22:49,067
What are you looking for?
652
00:22:49,067 --> 00:22:50,902
Investigate investigation
653
00:22:50,902 --> 00:22:52,838
before proposing a solution.
654
00:22:52,838 --> 00:22:53,905
Understanding of subfloor
655
00:22:53,905 --> 00:22:55,774
movement, fastener issues,
656
00:22:55,774 --> 00:22:57,142
moisture related causes,
657
00:22:57,142 --> 00:22:58,377
and structural factors.
658
00:23:00,379 --> 00:23:01,246
You ever
659
00:23:01,246 --> 00:23:01,813
try to talcum
660
00:23:01,813 --> 00:23:03,548
powder between, between the boards
661
00:23:03,548 --> 00:23:05,016
when they're squeaking?
662
00:23:05,016 --> 00:23:05,384
That it would.
663
00:23:05,384 --> 00:23:07,986
Stairs.
664
00:23:07,986 --> 00:23:09,921
Yeah.
665
00:23:09,921 --> 00:23:10,589
Well.
666
00:23:10,589 --> 00:23:12,257
Yeah.
667
00:23:12,257 --> 00:23:15,260
It worked for as long as we were there.
668
00:23:17,396 --> 00:23:18,463
Got it.
669
00:23:18,463 --> 00:23:19,931
Got out.
670
00:23:19,931 --> 00:23:22,934
And it's good for your feet.
671
00:23:26,538 --> 00:23:29,307
All right, here we go.
672
00:23:29,307 --> 00:23:30,675
How do you evaluate?
673
00:23:30,675 --> 00:23:32,010
Oh, let me try that again.
674
00:23:32,010 --> 00:23:32,811
How do we
675
00:23:32,811 --> 00:23:36,381
how do you evaluate a wood floor failure
676
00:23:36,748 --> 00:23:37,315
and determine
677
00:23:37,315 --> 00:23:38,316
whether it was caused
678
00:23:38,316 --> 00:23:41,219
by the product installation
679
00:23:41,219 --> 00:23:43,989
or site conditions?
680
00:23:43,989 --> 00:23:46,992
Here's what we're looking for.
681
00:23:47,392 --> 00:23:49,094
Moisture readings, site
682
00:23:49,094 --> 00:23:52,364
inspection process documentation
683
00:23:53,465 --> 00:23:56,468
elimination of variables.
684
00:23:56,835 --> 00:24:01,139
Knowledgeable that most failures are site
685
00:24:01,139 --> 00:24:04,142
condition related.
686
00:24:07,212 --> 00:24:07,712
Knowledge?
687
00:24:07,712 --> 00:24:09,681
Yeah, I should have worn my glasses
688
00:24:09,681 --> 00:24:12,651
for that one.
689
00:24:14,152 --> 00:24:16,888
That was me.
690
00:24:16,888 --> 00:24:18,557
That was me.
691
00:24:18,557 --> 00:24:19,991
And you definitely
692
00:24:19,991 --> 00:24:21,226
are the main one on the show.
693
00:24:21,226 --> 00:24:21,893
But you know what?
694
00:24:21,893 --> 00:24:23,728
More people are telling me that,
695
00:24:23,728 --> 00:24:24,729
you know,
696
00:24:24,729 --> 00:24:27,899
I, I think I think Wayne is just.
697
00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:29,801
Yeah, he's getting old,
698
00:24:29,801 --> 00:24:30,936
getting ready to retire.
699
00:24:30,936 --> 00:24:31,870
He's hearing that a lot.
700
00:24:57,229 --> 00:24:58,864
That's what we're going to ask that guy.
701
00:24:58,864 --> 00:25:01,132
702
00:25:01,132 --> 00:25:03,101
Number ten.
703
00:25:03,101 --> 00:25:05,103
Number ten.
704
00:25:05,103 --> 00:25:06,371
If you walked into a job site
705
00:25:06,371 --> 00:25:09,741
and found the slab testing at 92 RH,
706
00:25:10,642 --> 00:25:13,645
what would you do?
707
00:25:13,845 --> 00:25:15,981
Here's what we're looking for.
708
00:25:15,981 --> 00:25:18,450
Refusal to install without
709
00:25:18,450 --> 00:25:20,585
addressing moisture.
710
00:25:20,585 --> 00:25:22,654
Recommendation of a moisture
711
00:25:22,654 --> 00:25:24,990
mitigation system.
712
00:25:24,990 --> 00:25:27,993
Reference to manufacturer limits
713
00:25:28,660 --> 00:25:30,562
and risk awareness
714
00:25:30,562 --> 00:25:33,532
regarding future failures.
715
00:25:34,099 --> 00:25:34,533
You know,
716
00:25:34,533 --> 00:25:36,134
that is one of my favorite things
717
00:25:36,134 --> 00:25:38,003
to talk about
718
00:25:38,003 --> 00:25:40,171
when I'm doing these offs
719
00:25:40,171 --> 00:25:43,174
is our moisture mitigation systems.
720
00:25:44,409 --> 00:25:46,611
I just love that at all.
721
00:25:46,611 --> 00:25:48,146
No, we don't trap moisture.
722
00:25:48,146 --> 00:25:50,148
We're not a moisture barrier.
723
00:25:50,148 --> 00:25:51,850
We control it.
724
00:25:51,850 --> 00:25:53,552
We let it pass through,
725
00:25:53,552 --> 00:25:54,452
doesn't disrupt
726
00:25:54,452 --> 00:25:57,289
the structural integrity of the wood.
727
00:25:57,289 --> 00:25:58,723
It just makes so much sense.
728
00:25:58,723 --> 00:26:00,025
It's such an easy thing
729
00:26:00,025 --> 00:26:02,127
to explain to homeowners
730
00:26:02,127 --> 00:26:05,297
about rather than a moisture barrier
731
00:26:05,397 --> 00:26:06,932
trapping moisture
732
00:26:06,932 --> 00:26:08,900
and then causing issues down the road.
733
00:26:34,392 --> 00:26:37,395
They they don't breathe.
734
00:26:37,762 --> 00:26:38,496
They don't breathe.
735
00:26:38,496 --> 00:26:39,698
They just trap everything.
736
00:26:39,698 --> 00:26:41,967
Yeah.
737
00:26:41,967 --> 00:26:42,901
question,
738
00:26:42,901 --> 00:26:45,537
I'd ask a five inch engineered floor
739
00:26:45,537 --> 00:26:46,871
being installed over concrete
740
00:26:46,871 --> 00:26:48,840
in a home maintain at 35%
741
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,976
RH during the winter
742
00:26:50,976 --> 00:26:53,979
and 65% RH during summertime.
743
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:55,380
What movement concerns
744
00:26:55,380 --> 00:26:58,383
would you discuss with the homeowner?
745
00:26:58,650 --> 00:27:00,118
So that I'm looking for
746
00:27:00,118 --> 00:27:01,853
seasonal expansion and contraction
747
00:27:01,853 --> 00:27:04,422
discussions, gapping expectations,
748
00:27:04,422 --> 00:27:05,423
humidity control
749
00:27:05,423 --> 00:27:06,591
recommendations,
750
00:27:06,591 --> 00:27:08,793
maintaining that 35 to 55 indoor
751
00:27:08,793 --> 00:27:10,295
RH year round.
752
00:27:10,295 --> 00:27:11,296
So
753
00:27:11,296 --> 00:27:12,631
so any you know
754
00:27:12,631 --> 00:27:14,766
I think these are like fair questions
755
00:27:14,766 --> 00:27:15,266
for a guy.
756
00:27:15,266 --> 00:27:16,267
You know
757
00:27:16,267 --> 00:27:17,902
coming in as a journeyman
758
00:27:17,902 --> 00:27:20,205
just because how else would you know.
759
00:27:20,205 --> 00:27:20,639
You can say
760
00:27:20,639 --> 00:27:23,642
I worked for so-and-so for ten years
761
00:27:23,842 --> 00:27:24,676
okay. Cool.
762
00:27:24,676 --> 00:27:27,312
And pictures of you work at that's cool.
763
00:27:27,312 --> 00:27:28,913
But I also think I just kind
764
00:27:28,913 --> 00:27:30,682
of, you know, again, you can
765
00:27:33,251 --> 00:27:33,551
Yeah.
766
00:27:33,551 --> 00:27:34,919
He might have work for so-and-so,
767
00:27:34,919 --> 00:27:36,855
but he could have been the dust bag guy.
768
00:27:36,855 --> 00:27:39,858
Paper cutter.
769
00:27:42,861 --> 00:27:45,697
Yeah, right.
770
00:27:45,697 --> 00:27:46,798
of things.
771
00:27:46,798 --> 00:27:47,432
And you listen,
772
00:27:47,432 --> 00:27:49,367
you could be in a trade for a long, long,
773
00:27:49,367 --> 00:27:51,469
long time
774
00:27:51,469 --> 00:27:53,004
and not have an appreciation
775
00:27:53,004 --> 00:27:53,638
of these things
776
00:27:53,638 --> 00:27:56,107
because you, you know,
777
00:27:56,107 --> 00:27:58,076
you're there to do the work.
778
00:27:58,076 --> 00:27:59,711
And the guy just says, go and you go
779
00:27:59,711 --> 00:28:00,679
or he says, don't go.
780
00:28:00,679 --> 00:28:03,114
And we don't go,
781
00:28:03,114 --> 00:28:04,949
Right.
782
00:28:04,949 --> 00:28:06,017
just following orders and,
783
00:28:06,017 --> 00:28:07,018
you know, doing your job,
784
00:28:07,018 --> 00:28:08,687
you can be a great journeyman,
785
00:28:08,687 --> 00:28:09,821
but you don't get involved
786
00:28:09,821 --> 00:28:11,923
in these conversations because,
787
00:28:11,923 --> 00:28:13,391
it's somebody else's job,
788
00:28:13,391 --> 00:28:15,360
the estimator or the owner or whatever.
789
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:16,828
And you're just doing the,
790
00:28:16,828 --> 00:28:19,264
the actual work. So.
791
00:28:19,264 --> 00:28:21,599
But that's why I think it's
792
00:28:21,599 --> 00:28:23,101
it's good to know, ev of
793
00:28:24,469 --> 00:28:25,437
no matter what.
794
00:28:25,437 --> 00:28:26,971
And knowledge of everything you can.
795
00:28:26,971 --> 00:28:29,040
It involves what we do every day, right?
796
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,975
I mean, we do this every day
797
00:28:30,975 --> 00:28:31,576
for a living.
798
00:28:31,576 --> 00:28:33,111
So I think the more, the more knowledge
799
00:28:33,111 --> 00:28:36,114
we we pick
800
00:28:37,816 --> 00:28:40,351
All righty.
801
00:28:40,351 --> 00:28:42,654
I'm done.
802
00:28:42,654 --> 00:28:44,689
I'm done.
803
00:28:44,689 --> 00:28:45,123
What do you get?
804
00:28:45,123 --> 00:28:48,093
Anything else?
805
00:28:48,226 --> 00:28:50,929
All right.
806
00:28:50,929 --> 00:28:51,262
Yeah.
807
00:28:51,262 --> 00:28:52,297
Let's send this one up.
808
00:28:52,297 --> 00:28:55,300
Another award winning rap.
809
00:29:01,372 --> 00:29:02,440
Do another try.
810
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,676
Try it your way.
811
00:29:04,676 --> 00:29:05,944
This has been another episode
812
00:29:05,944 --> 00:29:07,545
of the Wayne Highlander show.
813
00:29:07,545 --> 00:29:09,013
Thanks for tuning in.
814
00:29:09,013 --> 00:29:10,815
And we'll see you next week.
815
00:29:10,815 --> 00:29:13,785
If to go ahead, do it.
816
00:29:13,785 --> 00:29:15,353
Absolutely.
817
00:29:15,353 --> 00:29:16,855
Yeah. No. I'm fine.
818
00:29:16,855 --> 00:29:19,858
I told you to do it.
819
00:29:22,961 --> 00:29:25,964
Do it.
820
00:29:38,643 --> 00:29:39,177
Yeah,
821
00:29:39,177 --> 00:29:40,812
I'll be the cameraman
822
00:29:40,812 --> 00:29:43,014
just so you can talk to me.
823
00:29:43,014 --> 00:29:44,182
Remember Letterman?
824
00:29:44,182 --> 00:29:46,217
David Letterman used to talk to him.
825
00:29:46,217 --> 00:29:47,752
His cameramen, all the time.
826
00:29:47,752 --> 00:29:48,787
They. It was funny.
827
00:29:52,290 --> 00:29:53,792
Or you know what?
828
00:29:53,792 --> 00:29:55,093
Instead of doing that,
829
00:29:55,093 --> 00:29:57,028
maybe it's the Wayne Highlander
830
00:29:57,028 --> 00:29:58,863
show, and I'll have, like, a band,
831
00:29:58,863 --> 00:30:00,799
you know, I'll. I'll do the music.
832
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:03,802
I'll be your music guy.
833
00:30:09,607 --> 00:30:12,243
The Rob Johnson show.
834
00:30:12,243 --> 00:30:14,612
There will be absolutely nothing
835
00:30:14,612 --> 00:30:17,582
about flaws on the Rob Johnson Show.
836
00:30:17,649 --> 00:30:20,919
It'll be about movies and barbecue.
837
00:30:21,152 --> 00:30:23,154
Maybe some music.
838
00:30:23,154 --> 00:30:24,856
Yeah, they would.
839
00:30:24,856 --> 00:30:26,991
There'd be nothing about wood floors
840
00:30:26,991 --> 00:30:29,994
in there.
841
00:30:38,403 --> 00:30:41,039
Em's premenstrual.
842
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:44,042
Isn't that premenstrual syndrome?
843
00:30:47,045 --> 00:30:52,283
PMA no, no, I I it's impossible.
844
00:30:52,584 --> 00:30:54,619
It's impossible for me to get PMS.
845
00:30:54,619 --> 00:30:55,954
Can't happen.
846
00:30:55,954 --> 00:30:57,388
Yeah,
847
00:30:57,388 --> 00:31:00,391
it can't happen.
848
00:31:04,429 --> 00:31:06,464
Of the show.
849
00:31:06,464 --> 00:31:07,632
All right.
850
00:31:07,632 --> 00:31:09,934
This has been another episode of the Rob
851
00:31:09,934 --> 00:31:11,636
Johnson podcast.
852
00:31:11,636 --> 00:31:14,639
Please stay tuned for another episode.
853
00:31:18,209 --> 00:31:19,777
Oh, in a second.
854
00:31:19,777 --> 00:31:20,078
Yeah.