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Hello and welcome
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to another
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award winning podcast on the floor
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with Wayne and Rob.
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I'm Wayne Island with Bonnie.
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Adhesives.
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All you got to do is add
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one more thing
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to the script, and I can't, So I can do,
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like.
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Like my father, les
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father in law
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said to me one day
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when I was an apprentice carpenter,
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he said, you're like a chicken.
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Every day is a brand new day to you.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Maybe.
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You know.
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Yeah. You know, what episode was.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think that was your fire safety.
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Yeah.
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Your fire safety episode.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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You got more, and they ask you something.
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So, I like to have another example of,
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some guy that was
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like, you're like a one hit wonder song.
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You're like, like like,
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Yeah, yeah.
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It just happened to not happen
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to be a grand slam
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knocked out of the park.
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Grand slam, bases loaded.
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Grand slam?
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Yeah.
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Because,
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because you think
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if you got anything else, you could
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you could step up at any time.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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You know, it's like, it's,
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what do you call it? Sales funnel.
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You got anything else
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in that funnel there of yours or.
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Well, let's start
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with this right now.
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I'm so excellent.
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I don't remember any of them.
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The last couple shows just.
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It's just. Yeah, it happens.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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No, that's not what it's.
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That's not the quote.
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The.
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No, no,
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that the deer doesn't
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wake up and say to itself today
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I'm going to run pretty. It just runs.
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Yes, yes.
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Yeah.
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That was
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that was a Frank Sinatra
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quote talking about George Jones,
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the country singer George Jones,
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as he said, he said he was this.
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He said he's either
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the first or second best country.
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It's no,
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he he's the first
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or best singer in the world.
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Pretty good compliment
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from a crooner from New York
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about a country boy from Texas.
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Yep.
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You know who else was a big Frank
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Sinatra fan?
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You know,
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Willie Nelson, grew up listening to,
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a lot of Frank Sinatra,
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a lot of, Mexican mariachi music.
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A lot of soul music
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in Texas
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there in a little town in Texas, I think.
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I can't recall the name of the name
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of the town. One horse town,
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actually, it
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was only one horse in the town.
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That's how he learned how to ride
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one horse in that town.
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And, but he is, musical.
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Interest was so varied
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for a guy who just,
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you know, became a country singer.
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It's crazy.
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So you never know what.
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Sinatra,
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all the country music,
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all the country greats and everything.
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And, but was, when he became a DJ
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on a radio station,
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he would often mix in,
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a Frank Sinatra song, a Louis Armstrong
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song on a country station in Texas
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that takes and that takes some doing
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so anyhow. All right.
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Today, traffic.
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Go, Rob.
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Go.
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Give me a a working with all.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Well, I mean.
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In the back in the day when you only had.
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You had a single component,
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or you had a two component floors.
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Now you've got a,
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single component
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that is a Cadillac of single components.
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I mean, that was,
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you know, I was in Sweden
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a couple weeks ago. Rob.
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So, Yeah.
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Sorry.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Well,
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I ate enough for both of us
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while I was over there, so.
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But I was talking to the lead chemist
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over there about the technology
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that's in traffic.
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Go and do it.
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It's insane.
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It just. It really is.
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I mean, a top line product.
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And so especially for,
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for guys were like, man,
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I just like I want the two component,
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type of quality product.
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And you just can't get in the single.
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I'm not saying
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it's as strong is as traffic
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HD because it's not.
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But it's a damn damn good finish, man.
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For a single component.
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It blows away everything.
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So,
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and, you know, I
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think one
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of the biggest complaints
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for, for, contractors, I mean,
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I heard that one as well.
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And now certainly
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I've seen that as well,
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where guys
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don't use the hardener
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or whatever you and guys are like
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still transitioning
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off the oil in the water.
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One of the biggest complaints,
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you always hear the guy saying,
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I can't babysit a floor for 2 or 3 days
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waiting for a coat,
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you know, to put the second coat on.
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We talked about the other episode of,
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that we just had a customer concerns
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and everything.
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How long the jobs take
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to be able to streamline it
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and just use a product like this.
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And we have multiple guys
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that you're concerned about them
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using the hardener and this
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and the other takes that off the table.
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Right.
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Yep.
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All right.
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So.
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Well I thought it was about to have it go
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well.
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Well we started talking about
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a couple different things here.
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Well you and I before the show.
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And one of his top contractor complaints
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about hardwood floor finishes in general.
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All right.
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Like dry, dry time is too slow.
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You. Right? Right.
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We talked about waiting on coating him.
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Yeah, that's a kill.
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It's a job killer or a production
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schedule killer. Right.
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And, you know,
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and then you got humidity
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swings to worry about and unpredictable.
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The cure times
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because of weather in the winter
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and the northeast.
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This, that and the other.
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So we tied in the traffic goal
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because we also talked about
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how much traffic was really taken off
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and what a good product that is for us.
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So we'll so we'll,
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we'll continue from there and then okay.
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A pain
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point also
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contractors have also is with water based
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finishes, trying to fast and shorten
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lap lines
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while requiring a high skill
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level to apply cleanly.
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That's a that's a real concern
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because that's what
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the homeowner sees the most.
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I can't say enough about rolling,
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is really help,
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but I don't think it's an end all be all.
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But I think
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rowing is really done a lot for industry
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and is taking the,
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learning curve of using water
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based products.
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I you probably say
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the same thing about oil,
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is really shorten the,
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the, learning curve by by landslide.
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It used to be that,
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you know, if you stop for 30s,
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you see it forever.
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But, now with the,
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and I think one of the main things
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with this, as we were finding out,
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is the,
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coverage rate
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can can really make or break you job.
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So.
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Talk about the.
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You talked about the.
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Yeah.
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I was going to say that.
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And.
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And and this.
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This time of year.
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I would also say acclimate your finish.
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Well, pretty much winter time
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to acclimate your finish as well.
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Don't bring it in
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out of a hot
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van has been sitting
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in a hot van in Texas
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and cope with it right away.
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Right.
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All right.
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To, to many coats
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required.
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Yeah.
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The more coats, the more labor
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time, the more dry time.
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Right. Standard system.
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Three plus coats.
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I know whenever, whenever I did,
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traffic HD,
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back in day, it was just traffic.
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It was a stain and two coats.
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It, you know,
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really trying to hit the coverage rate.
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So I was conscientious about that. Right.
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And the status in two coats
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was was a great finish for us.
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If I'm doing a sealer, it'd
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be a sealer and two coats.
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Now, I know a lot of guys.
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The only thing that would change that
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if sometimes in a kitchen area
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where the kitchen was involved,
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maybe we would,
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but, what I would say about this is,
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and that, you know,
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it is what it is on that and
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in what you guys were doing
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today is honor the drive time
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on the coats.
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And I think it's probably
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one of the biggest,
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mistakes
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people make is not honoring
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the drive time.
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And that goes also with water
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pumping the floor.
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Trowel sealing the floor
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before, you know, sanding
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before the trail filler,
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set up, water pump.
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And for the stains, certainly the stains,
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is.
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I can't
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I can probably count on one hand
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how many times I miss the, the,
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the timeline that I gave a homeowner to,
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that I'm going to complete their floor.
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You know what I mean
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by told can be done by a certain time.
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I mean,
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I mean, here's
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how important it was to me.
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I had a major surgery on my knee
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one time,
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and when my wife picked me
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up, I had a job by the job
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site first before she took me home.
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So, I mean, I can't tell you how
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important that was to me. I
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gave up a lot of weekends and holidays
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to make sure that happened.
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But one thing that would never
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I would never go
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forward is when, when,
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when, like, you'd walk in
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the stain would be.
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You just smell it, you know what I mean?
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It just was too strong.
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Your your shoes walking on it.
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It's a little tacky
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back in the oil these days.
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It just like,
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you know, it looks like it was dry.
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There was maybe 1 or 2 boards
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that weren't quite dried.
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And no matter how hard that you want
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to stand on schedule,
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no matter how important
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your schedule is to you,
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and there's times
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when you just gotta call it,
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we can't code it today.
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We just can't do it.
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It's just not ready.
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I know you have a schedule
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and I have a schedule,
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but the floor has a schedule too,
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and it doesn't care about us.
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And sometimes the toughest thing to do,
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because I know how important
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the schedules are, is to walk away
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and give it another day,
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put some fans on it, heat on it,
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maybe whatever,
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come back at the end of the day
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or whatever.
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But I really think it's that important to
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honor the dry time.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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I mean, the, the,
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The, the sanding machines
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have gotten better.
365
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The sandpaper has gotten better.
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The homes are a lot of open, open concept
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rooms, big open rooms.
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Now which makes for faster,
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installations.
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The finishes are drying shorter,
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the not so drying time.
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Now, the vacuums have gotten better,
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you know, I think,
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but the one thing they can't change
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is the dry
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time is the one thing that you can't.
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I mean,
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even though everything
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has gotten shorter,
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everything dries quicker and blah,
381
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blah, blah.
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You have to honor the dry time. It's.
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I think it's so critical that, that you
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that you don't have
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a complaint down the road, so.
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All right,
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durability, complaint scratching.
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Where is a homeowner pain point?
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They expecting more from floors,
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even when it's really
391
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just a lifestyle issue?
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I think
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that a lot of that comes down
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to to expectations, you know, upfront
395
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you got for kids
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when you're,
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when you're doing the job,
398
00:23:50,162 --> 00:23:51,396
one of them rolls by on a pair of
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roller skates.
400
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Well, and, being pulled by,
401
00:23:54,699 --> 00:23:57,702
by a big dog,
402
00:23:59,004 --> 00:23:59,671
yeah.
403
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That.
404
00:24:03,575 --> 00:24:06,578
Yeah.
405
00:24:08,079 --> 00:24:09,514
And and here's the thing.
406
00:24:09,514 --> 00:24:10,715
It's forgiving to them
407
00:24:10,715 --> 00:24:12,150
if they're walking on a 30 year
408
00:24:12,150 --> 00:24:12,851
old finish.
409
00:24:12,851 --> 00:24:14,453
That's the tail, anyhow.
410
00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:17,055
And, you know, you can do whatever to.
411
00:24:17,055 --> 00:24:18,523
It is not going to show.
412
00:24:18,523 --> 00:24:19,558
But all someone's
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00:24:19,558 --> 00:24:20,358
a brand new floor
414
00:24:20,358 --> 00:24:21,726
is beautifully sanded refinished.
415
00:24:21,726 --> 00:24:23,261
Now it looks like a jewel
416
00:24:23,261 --> 00:24:25,030
and then it gets a scratch on it
417
00:24:25,030 --> 00:24:25,964
or what have you.
418
00:24:25,964 --> 00:24:27,199
Then it's,
419
00:24:27,199 --> 00:24:27,799
you know, now
420
00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:29,468
now it becomes a bigger issue, right?
421
00:24:29,468 --> 00:24:31,102
Well, I used to roller skate on fours
422
00:24:31,102 --> 00:24:32,003
all day.
423
00:24:32,003 --> 00:24:33,572
Well, yeah, it was the cured finishing.
424
00:24:33,572 --> 00:24:35,006
It's. You know what it is.
425
00:24:35,006 --> 00:24:35,607
Let's be honest.
426
00:24:35,607 --> 00:24:37,142
You would be to hell.
427
00:24:37,142 --> 00:24:39,211
So.
428
00:24:53,158 --> 00:24:56,161
Yeah.
429
00:25:06,104 --> 00:25:09,107
Yeah.
430
00:25:59,558 --> 00:26:02,561
Yeah.
431
00:26:18,443 --> 00:26:20,145
So I told you I was,
432
00:26:20,145 --> 00:26:21,913
I spent we joke about this.
433
00:26:21,913 --> 00:26:22,414
It you don't,
434
00:26:22,414 --> 00:26:23,748
you don't worry about anything.
435
00:26:23,748 --> 00:26:24,849
And I was a worrywart.
436
00:26:24,849 --> 00:26:25,083
I mean,
437
00:26:25,083 --> 00:26:27,485
I worry about everything when it
438
00:26:27,485 --> 00:26:29,588
when I own my own business, I,
439
00:26:29,588 --> 00:26:30,822
I mean, there's so many things
440
00:26:30,822 --> 00:26:31,623
I worried about,
441
00:26:31,623 --> 00:26:32,791
you know, all the different things
442
00:26:32,791 --> 00:26:33,458
you have to worry about.
443
00:26:33,458 --> 00:26:34,125
Well, one thing
444
00:26:34,125 --> 00:26:37,128
I did not ever worry about was this.
445
00:26:37,329 --> 00:26:37,896
Getting the
446
00:26:37,896 --> 00:26:39,564
the callbacks or scratches
447
00:26:39,564 --> 00:26:41,032
and or wearing those type of stuff.
448
00:26:41,032 --> 00:26:42,200
And I'll tell you why.
449
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,736
Because I felt like we used traffic,
450
00:26:44,736 --> 00:26:46,571
especially towards the end of my career.
451
00:26:46,571 --> 00:26:47,505
I feel like I was giving them
452
00:26:47,505 --> 00:26:49,107
the best possible finish you could
453
00:26:49,107 --> 00:26:50,241
you could use.
454
00:26:50,241 --> 00:26:51,710
I was educating them.
455
00:26:51,710 --> 00:26:52,410
We left,
456
00:26:52,410 --> 00:26:53,178
you know, information
457
00:26:53,178 --> 00:26:54,879
on how to maintain their floors.
458
00:26:54,879 --> 00:26:55,614
And,
459
00:26:55,614 --> 00:26:56,514
I was accessible
460
00:26:56,514 --> 00:26:57,949
if they had ever had a question.
461
00:26:57,949 --> 00:27:00,185
So I feel like I did my job.
462
00:27:00,185 --> 00:27:01,486
So there was no disconnect
463
00:27:01,486 --> 00:27:02,520
between,
464
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,924
you know, real life world versus,
465
00:27:05,924 --> 00:27:06,758
you know,
466
00:27:06,758 --> 00:27:09,394
what their expectations could be.
467
00:27:09,394 --> 00:27:10,128
I mean,
468
00:27:10,128 --> 00:27:12,230
you know, it was all laid out for them.
469
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:13,465
I feel like I did.
470
00:27:13,465 --> 00:27:14,699
I gave them the highest
471
00:27:14,699 --> 00:27:16,134
possible thing that you can give them in
472
00:27:16,134 --> 00:27:17,969
a, in any industry
473
00:27:17,969 --> 00:27:19,904
with my, with what I was using
474
00:27:19,904 --> 00:27:21,039
and the way we were using it.
475
00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:24,242
And so,
476
00:27:24,242 --> 00:27:25,577
it's just was not something
477
00:27:25,577 --> 00:27:26,778
of all the things I worried about
478
00:27:26,778 --> 00:27:27,879
just wasn't one of them.
479
00:27:27,879 --> 00:27:28,613
It really did
480
00:27:28,613 --> 00:27:29,981
take it off the plate for me.
481
00:27:29,981 --> 00:27:32,984
I mean, I we use the, the Tampico brush.
482
00:27:33,118 --> 00:27:34,085
I mean, there was no bullets
483
00:27:34,085 --> 00:27:35,186
left in the chamber,
484
00:27:35,186 --> 00:27:35,787
you know what I mean?
485
00:27:35,787 --> 00:27:37,288
So it's just something
486
00:27:37,288 --> 00:27:39,357
that I just never really.
487
00:27:39,357 --> 00:27:40,659
This was not a concern of mine.
488
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,230
Customer expectations versus reality.
489
00:27:45,230 --> 00:27:47,866
Matte finishes,
490
00:27:47,866 --> 00:27:49,634
show scuffs, gloss finishes, seals,
491
00:27:49,634 --> 00:27:52,237
scratches, natural finishes. So dirt.
492
00:27:52,237 --> 00:27:55,240
There was no perfect finish.
493
00:27:56,675 --> 00:27:57,976
So.
494
00:27:57,976 --> 00:27:58,643
But the homeowners
495
00:27:58,643 --> 00:27:59,944
always think that there is. Right?
496
00:27:59,944 --> 00:28:02,547
I mean, so customer expectations
497
00:28:02,547 --> 00:28:03,248
versus reality
498
00:28:03,248 --> 00:28:06,451
I think these things probably samples,
499
00:28:07,218 --> 00:28:08,186
you don't see a lot of the gloss
500
00:28:08,186 --> 00:28:09,821
out there anymore.
501
00:28:09,821 --> 00:28:12,824
So,
502
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,060
I actually think,
503
00:28:15,060 --> 00:28:16,494
you know, we've gone to lower sheens,
504
00:28:16,494 --> 00:28:17,462
but I think we're coming back
505
00:28:17,462 --> 00:28:18,797
a little bit now.
506
00:28:18,797 --> 00:28:21,800
Kind of a.
507
00:28:23,501 --> 00:28:24,102
I think so
508
00:28:24,102 --> 00:28:25,370
I think the matte finishes were,
509
00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:27,172
were in for a while, but,
510
00:28:27,172 --> 00:28:30,108
after a while, just like having
511
00:28:30,108 --> 00:28:30,709
having a truck
512
00:28:30,709 --> 00:28:31,409
that you haven't
513
00:28:31,409 --> 00:28:32,744
having a wash for, for
514
00:28:32,744 --> 00:28:34,579
for several months,
515
00:28:34,579 --> 00:28:35,013
you know,
516
00:28:35,013 --> 00:28:35,914
just has a flat
517
00:28:35,914 --> 00:28:36,715
look to it, then you,
518
00:28:36,715 --> 00:28:38,717
then you wash it and it gives it a nice
519
00:28:38,717 --> 00:28:39,350
sheen to it.
520
00:28:41,052 --> 00:28:42,420
You know, you realize, you know what?
521
00:28:42,420 --> 00:28:43,121
It's nice to have
522
00:28:43,121 --> 00:28:45,623
a little sheen on the floor, you know?
523
00:28:45,623 --> 00:28:48,626
So I do think Saturn's making a comeback.
524
00:28:54,499 --> 00:28:57,035
Yeah.
525
00:28:57,035 --> 00:28:59,037
Not not just not the stains.
526
00:28:59,037 --> 00:29:01,139
Okay. Yeah.
527
00:29:01,139 --> 00:29:04,709
I love them for my business,
528
00:29:05,310 --> 00:29:08,313
but I like a stain floor.
529
00:29:08,780 --> 00:29:10,548
I always have, you know, especially
530
00:29:10,548 --> 00:29:12,016
you give me a quarter on floor.
531
00:29:12,016 --> 00:29:12,650
Oh, by the way,
532
00:29:12,650 --> 00:29:14,119
I was going to say, when it comes to.
533
00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:16,154
We talked about dry time.
534
00:29:16,154 --> 00:29:17,589
I'm seeing more.
535
00:29:17,589 --> 00:29:18,523
I'm seeing more,
536
00:29:18,523 --> 00:29:19,591
in grain
537
00:29:19,591 --> 00:29:20,425
block floors
538
00:29:20,425 --> 00:29:22,360
on commercial jobs than I ever have.
539
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,561
Okay.
540
00:29:23,561 --> 00:29:25,163
Be aware,
541
00:29:25,163 --> 00:29:27,499
if you look at it in Grain Floor
542
00:29:27,499 --> 00:29:28,099
when you when,
543
00:29:28,099 --> 00:29:29,901
when you have a hardwood floor, all the,
544
00:29:29,901 --> 00:29:31,035
all the,
545
00:29:31,035 --> 00:29:34,139
the areas that the, the spring grain
546
00:29:34,139 --> 00:29:35,874
and everything that the, the, the
547
00:29:36,875 --> 00:29:37,342
stain
548
00:29:37,342 --> 00:29:38,543
and the water can
549
00:29:38,543 --> 00:29:40,411
travel into or the finishes.
550
00:29:40,411 --> 00:29:43,414
Now, you mentioned a bunch of straws
551
00:29:43,681 --> 00:29:44,983
and you put them up in the night
552
00:29:44,983 --> 00:29:47,485
agreeing on. Now they're all facing up.
553
00:29:47,485 --> 00:29:49,788
Allows ten times more of that,
554
00:29:49,788 --> 00:29:50,421
that moisture
555
00:29:50,421 --> 00:29:51,990
and everything to pull into them
556
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:52,957
because all the open grain
557
00:29:52,957 --> 00:29:53,925
is sitting straight up,
558
00:29:53,925 --> 00:29:55,026
you know what I mean?
559
00:29:55,026 --> 00:29:57,395
So you talk about honor, the dry time.
560
00:29:57,395 --> 00:29:58,429
It is very,
561
00:29:58,429 --> 00:29:59,030
very important
562
00:29:59,030 --> 00:30:00,598
that on those jobs in particular,
563
00:30:00,598 --> 00:30:02,534
that you want to the right time,
564
00:30:02,534 --> 00:30:03,535
because I've seen it before
565
00:30:03,535 --> 00:30:05,403
where someone will stay in the floor
566
00:30:05,403 --> 00:30:08,039
or they'll put, what's called a spike.
567
00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:09,440
Oil on the floor
568
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,075
and then put the second coat on
569
00:30:11,075 --> 00:30:12,143
and then it bleeds through
570
00:30:12,143 --> 00:30:12,911
because it went down
571
00:30:12,911 --> 00:30:14,112
and mixed with disdain and mixed
572
00:30:14,112 --> 00:30:15,079
with the whatever,
573
00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:17,849
and came back up and or even the sealer.
574
00:30:17,849 --> 00:30:19,818
And now you put the top coat on.
575
00:30:19,818 --> 00:30:20,552
This is not work
576
00:30:20,552 --> 00:30:22,086
when you want to seal it
577
00:30:22,086 --> 00:30:23,588
and come back in another hour and a half
578
00:30:23,588 --> 00:30:24,956
and put the put another coat on.
579
00:30:25,924 --> 00:30:26,958
So just be aware.
580
00:30:26,958 --> 00:30:28,993
I'm just seeing a lot more of those.
581
00:30:28,993 --> 00:30:30,328
All right.
582
00:30:30,328 --> 00:30:32,263
Six
583
00:30:32,263 --> 00:30:34,566
re coat and adhesion issues
584
00:30:34,566 --> 00:30:36,267
contractor pain points.
585
00:30:36,267 --> 00:30:38,970
Some finishes have tight Rico windows.
586
00:30:38,970 --> 00:30:42,140
Returning the sand between coats
587
00:30:42,774 --> 00:30:43,675
blah blah blah.
588
00:30:43,675 --> 00:30:44,576
Whether or what
589
00:30:44,576 --> 00:30:45,410
the head is returning,
590
00:30:45,410 --> 00:30:47,011
the sand between coats,
591
00:30:47,011 --> 00:30:47,812
adhesion failures
592
00:30:47,812 --> 00:30:50,815
and those type of deals.
593
00:30:50,982 --> 00:30:53,985
594
00:30:56,554 --> 00:30:59,557
Yeah.
595
00:31:06,798 --> 00:31:08,099
Yeah, yeah.
596
00:31:08,099 --> 00:31:11,102
And.
597
00:31:13,605 --> 00:31:14,539
Yeah.
598
00:31:14,539 --> 00:31:16,374
And that's with with with water,
599
00:31:16,374 --> 00:31:16,808
not oil.
600
00:31:16,808 --> 00:31:19,811
Just to clear, verify that.
601
00:31:20,278 --> 00:31:23,281
Yeah.
602
00:31:48,773 --> 00:31:49,641
Yep.
603
00:31:49,641 --> 00:31:50,942
And by the way,
604
00:31:50,942 --> 00:31:51,276
if you're
605
00:31:51,276 --> 00:31:52,710
if you're going from
606
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:54,245
say mega to traffic,
607
00:31:54,245 --> 00:31:55,580
you do want to break that though,
608
00:31:55,580 --> 00:31:56,648
no matter what. Right.
609
00:31:56,648 --> 00:31:59,651
The timeline.
610
00:32:20,838 --> 00:32:21,739
It.
611
00:32:21,739 --> 00:32:24,742
Yeah.
612
00:32:32,517 --> 00:32:33,918
Yep.
613
00:32:33,918 --> 00:32:36,921
So I mean.
614
00:35:11,042 --> 00:35:11,442
Yeah.
615
00:35:11,442 --> 00:35:12,410
Good call.
616
00:35:12,410 --> 00:35:12,977
And it's funny
617
00:35:12,977 --> 00:35:13,878
because,
618
00:35:13,878 --> 00:35:15,379
you know, just like so many of our shows
619
00:35:15,379 --> 00:35:16,080
that we do,
620
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:16,414
you know,
621
00:35:16,414 --> 00:35:17,682
when you start talking about one thing,
622
00:35:17,682 --> 00:35:19,951
it blends into so many other things.
623
00:35:19,951 --> 00:35:22,420
Nothing exists in a bubble
624
00:35:22,420 --> 00:35:24,322
in the in the in the refinishing,
625
00:35:24,322 --> 00:35:27,191
industry, you talk about
626
00:35:27,191 --> 00:35:29,093
finishes, it's going to go into sanding.
627
00:35:29,093 --> 00:35:29,627
You talked about
628
00:35:29,627 --> 00:35:30,495
sanding is going to go into
629
00:35:30,495 --> 00:35:31,662
what are you going to Woodsville?
630
00:35:31,662 --> 00:35:32,497
Are you going to talk
631
00:35:32,497 --> 00:35:33,798
about something else.
632
00:35:33,798 --> 00:35:36,601
So it just kind of all ties together.
633
00:35:36,601 --> 00:35:37,668
Let's jump down to
634
00:35:38,936 --> 00:35:41,405
difficulty and repairs and blending.
635
00:35:41,405 --> 00:35:42,974
That's one of the, the,
636
00:35:42,974 --> 00:35:43,975
the challenges
637
00:35:43,975 --> 00:35:46,177
that contractors always have to face
638
00:35:46,177 --> 00:35:47,411
is having to go back
639
00:35:47,411 --> 00:35:50,648
and blend something in and, and let's say
640
00:35:51,616 --> 00:35:52,350
the homeowner
641
00:35:52,350 --> 00:35:53,985
does something to the floor
642
00:35:53,985 --> 00:35:56,754
that they don't want to obviously record
643
00:35:56,754 --> 00:35:57,822
the entire floor
644
00:35:57,822 --> 00:36:00,258
or sand the entire floor.
645
00:36:00,258 --> 00:36:01,859
They just need a section of it fixed.
646
00:36:01,859 --> 00:36:02,160
Right?
647
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:03,261
I see that so many times
648
00:36:03,261 --> 00:36:04,262
we've all had to deal with that.
649
00:36:04,262 --> 00:36:07,265
Right.
650
00:36:07,465 --> 00:36:08,666
The consistency of the sea
651
00:36:08,666 --> 00:36:10,101
levels of the products.
652
00:36:10,101 --> 00:36:10,501
And again,
653
00:36:10,501 --> 00:36:10,835
I told you
654
00:36:10,835 --> 00:36:11,969
I was talking about the chemist.
655
00:36:11,969 --> 00:36:14,972
The amount of work that goes into that
656
00:36:15,306 --> 00:36:17,208
is and the amount of tests
657
00:36:17,208 --> 00:36:19,744
that goes into that in the lab
658
00:36:19,744 --> 00:36:22,747
that is huge over there in Sweden.
659
00:36:23,147 --> 00:36:25,816
That that that works on this is insane.
660
00:36:25,816 --> 00:36:27,051
I mean, everything there's no
661
00:36:27,051 --> 00:36:28,085
pores left in the chamber
662
00:36:28,085 --> 00:36:29,086
on that as well, man.
663
00:36:29,086 --> 00:36:29,620
I mean, everything
664
00:36:29,620 --> 00:36:30,421
could be possibly done
665
00:36:30,421 --> 00:36:32,456
to make it, to make it
666
00:36:32,456 --> 00:36:34,392
consistent is done.
667
00:36:34,392 --> 00:36:36,861
And spot
668
00:36:36,861 --> 00:36:39,197
repairs, are challenging
669
00:36:39,197 --> 00:36:40,231
for the best of us.
670
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:43,601
One thing I always tell
671
00:36:43,601 --> 00:36:44,769
somebody, and especially
672
00:36:44,769 --> 00:36:47,004
if I'm doing a repair that I didn't,
673
00:36:47,004 --> 00:36:49,106
I'm not the reason for the repair.
674
00:36:49,106 --> 00:36:50,208
Like you're the reason
675
00:36:50,208 --> 00:36:51,108
for the repair, you know?
676
00:36:51,108 --> 00:36:52,176
I mean, you did something
677
00:36:52,176 --> 00:36:53,644
wrong to the floor.
678
00:36:53,644 --> 00:36:54,745
Your painter did this,
679
00:36:54,745 --> 00:36:57,081
or the carpenter did this or whatever,
680
00:36:57,081 --> 00:36:58,983
and you're asking me to fix it.
681
00:36:58,983 --> 00:37:00,885
I always,
682
00:37:00,885 --> 00:37:02,486
no matter how confident I am and doing
683
00:37:02,486 --> 00:37:05,990
my repair, is let them know upfront that
684
00:37:06,891 --> 00:37:07,558
you know what?
685
00:37:07,558 --> 00:37:08,359
When you do,
686
00:37:08,359 --> 00:37:09,460
when you finish a floor,
687
00:37:09,460 --> 00:37:11,796
is that in one all monolithic run,
688
00:37:11,796 --> 00:37:14,799
everything is at A11 container.
689
00:37:14,966 --> 00:37:16,033
It's all blended, it's
690
00:37:16,033 --> 00:37:17,802
all cut at the same time
691
00:37:17,802 --> 00:37:19,070
to give you a certain look.
692
00:37:19,070 --> 00:37:21,272
You couldn't go to an automobile
693
00:37:21,272 --> 00:37:24,008
and and fix a dent on a hood
694
00:37:24,008 --> 00:37:25,509
by itself, right?
695
00:37:25,509 --> 00:37:26,077
You know what I mean?
696
00:37:26,077 --> 00:37:27,378
I mean, so
697
00:37:27,378 --> 00:37:29,380
you you have to give them
698
00:37:29,380 --> 00:37:30,648
some kind of disclaimer that.
699
00:37:33,384 --> 00:37:34,318
Yeah.
700
00:37:34,318 --> 00:37:37,321
Because how many times have you seen
701
00:37:37,488 --> 00:37:39,023
somebody make their problem,
702
00:37:39,023 --> 00:37:40,625
your problem?
703
00:37:40,625 --> 00:37:43,861
And as a young dumb contractor
704
00:37:43,861 --> 00:37:45,129
or in the beginning,
705
00:37:45,129 --> 00:37:46,497
I go, oh, yeah, yeah, we can, we can,
706
00:37:46,497 --> 00:37:47,932
we'll take care of that for you.
707
00:37:47,932 --> 00:37:49,834
And it didn't quite meet expectations.
708
00:37:49,834 --> 00:37:52,103
Now this is my problem, right?
709
00:37:52,103 --> 00:37:53,271
It's no longer their problem.
710
00:37:53,271 --> 00:37:54,772
It's my problem.
711
00:37:54,772 --> 00:37:58,042
So you really got to be careful.
712
00:37:58,242 --> 00:38:01,112
And, that upfront I'll say that first.
713
00:38:01,112 --> 00:38:04,115
Secondly.
714
00:38:04,548 --> 00:38:05,650
Whenever I had to do
715
00:38:05,650 --> 00:38:07,551
blend a repair on a, on a job,
716
00:38:07,551 --> 00:38:09,620
this is a red oak floor.
717
00:38:09,620 --> 00:38:11,255
I would always bring like a stair
718
00:38:11,255 --> 00:38:12,623
tread with me,
719
00:38:12,623 --> 00:38:14,292
or a long, long board
720
00:38:14,292 --> 00:38:14,892
and everything
721
00:38:14,892 --> 00:38:16,260
I was going to do to the floor.
722
00:38:16,260 --> 00:38:18,529
I did the stair tread first,
723
00:38:18,529 --> 00:38:19,497
you know what I mean?
724
00:38:19,497 --> 00:38:21,532
So I can see what it's going to look like
725
00:38:21,532 --> 00:38:23,334
before I put it on the floor.
726
00:38:23,334 --> 00:38:24,335
And I can just do it
727
00:38:24,335 --> 00:38:25,970
like a section of the stair tread,
728
00:38:25,970 --> 00:38:27,338
or bring several treads
729
00:38:27,338 --> 00:38:28,773
or several planks, whatever.
730
00:38:28,773 --> 00:38:30,007
Everything I think I was going to do,
731
00:38:30,007 --> 00:38:32,810
I would do to that first and then,
732
00:38:33,778 --> 00:38:36,314
I remember we, we one time
733
00:38:36,314 --> 00:38:36,914
we used
734
00:38:36,914 --> 00:38:38,282
it was on a maple floor
735
00:38:38,282 --> 00:38:40,184
and, it wasn't my job.
736
00:38:40,184 --> 00:38:43,187
It was a.
737
00:38:43,421 --> 00:38:44,822
Now is, for a really good
738
00:38:44,822 --> 00:38:46,624
friend, contractor or mine.
739
00:38:46,624 --> 00:38:47,591
And he had,
740
00:38:47,591 --> 00:38:48,893
the guy missed a couple spots,
741
00:38:48,893 --> 00:38:51,228
or he had some shiny spots on the floor
742
00:38:51,228 --> 00:38:52,797
and
743
00:38:52,797 --> 00:38:54,198
he was having a hard time pulling it.
744
00:38:54,198 --> 00:38:56,567
So he asked me to come in and help him.
745
00:38:56,567 --> 00:38:59,804
And one of his guys somehow worked in a
746
00:38:59,804 --> 00:39:01,906
in the photography industry,
747
00:39:01,906 --> 00:39:02,640
and he goes, hey,
748
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,075
I've got this sandpaper.
749
00:39:04,075 --> 00:39:05,142
It's like
750
00:39:05,142 --> 00:39:07,044
like, like 10,000 grit or whatever
751
00:39:07,044 --> 00:39:07,978
if you want me to try that.
752
00:39:07,978 --> 00:39:08,979
And I like, blew him off. Like.
753
00:39:08,979 --> 00:39:09,847
No, like, you know,
754
00:39:09,847 --> 00:39:10,981
we got real problems here,
755
00:39:10,981 --> 00:39:12,983
you know what I mean, though?
756
00:39:12,983 --> 00:39:14,585
So we're going back to the floor.
757
00:39:14,585 --> 00:39:15,353
We're taping off.
758
00:39:15,353 --> 00:39:16,053
Look at this stuff.
759
00:39:16,053 --> 00:39:17,955
And what it did didn't blend exactly.
760
00:39:17,955 --> 00:39:19,223
Perfect.
761
00:39:19,223 --> 00:39:19,857
Yeah.
762
00:39:19,857 --> 00:39:20,791
The homeowner was out of
763
00:39:20,791 --> 00:39:22,960
out of control, man. Out of control.
764
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,128
So finally, kid goes,
765
00:39:24,128 --> 00:39:25,296
I don't know why you have this stuff
766
00:39:25,296 --> 00:39:25,963
in this other industry.
767
00:39:25,963 --> 00:39:27,064
I'm like,
768
00:39:27,064 --> 00:39:28,165
so I'm going to control this kid
769
00:39:28,165 --> 00:39:29,934
or what's the deal with this kid?
770
00:39:29,934 --> 00:39:30,334
It's like,
771
00:39:31,335 --> 00:39:32,470
I said,
772
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:32,970
I think we said,
773
00:39:32,970 --> 00:39:34,004
our ego gets in that paper.
774
00:39:34,004 --> 00:39:35,473
Rob
775
00:39:35,473 --> 00:39:37,808
I'll be damn.
776
00:39:37,808 --> 00:39:40,811
We she ended up I mean,
777
00:39:41,812 --> 00:39:44,815
perfect, and I'm not.
778
00:39:44,849 --> 00:39:46,450
I'm saying we didn't do the repair.
779
00:39:46,450 --> 00:39:48,352
We didn't do any finishing to the area.
780
00:39:48,352 --> 00:39:49,787
We just took that sandpaper
781
00:39:49,787 --> 00:39:52,790
to the existing finish and cleaned it up.
782
00:39:53,524 --> 00:39:54,525
And I'm looking at the guy
783
00:39:54,525 --> 00:39:55,259
like the homeowner now.
784
00:39:55,259 --> 00:39:56,861
Now, this guy was out of control.
785
00:39:56,861 --> 00:39:57,661
I'm like, I'm not like that.
786
00:39:57,661 --> 00:40:00,231
Like, dude, you got nothing now.
787
00:40:00,231 --> 00:40:01,599
And he is perfect.
788
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:01,932
You know,
789
00:40:01,932 --> 00:40:03,534
he kept going at every angle
790
00:40:03,534 --> 00:40:05,102
to find something wrong.
791
00:40:05,102 --> 00:40:06,771
Something wrong with that repair.
792
00:40:06,771 --> 00:40:08,706
There's nothing.
793
00:40:08,706 --> 00:40:10,608
Nothing. And it was amazing.
794
00:40:10,608 --> 00:40:13,611
So anyhow,
795
00:40:23,187 --> 00:40:23,654
Yeah.
796
00:40:23,654 --> 00:40:26,657
Yeah.
797
00:40:34,331 --> 00:40:37,334
Yep.
798
00:41:03,260 --> 00:41:04,028
I can admit
799
00:41:04,028 --> 00:41:07,031
I can imagine.
800
00:41:07,398 --> 00:41:08,165
Wow.
801
00:41:08,165 --> 00:41:10,568
Wow. No kidding.
802
00:41:54,245 --> 00:41:56,480
Yeah.
803
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,450
Yeah.
804
00:42:01,685 --> 00:42:02,286
Wow.
805
00:42:02,286 --> 00:42:03,254
Yeah. See?
806
00:42:03,254 --> 00:42:06,257
And now it's your problem.
807
00:42:24,775 --> 00:42:27,778
Yeah, yeah.
808
00:42:31,115 --> 00:42:34,118
Well, but the.
809
00:42:45,462 --> 00:42:46,730
Yeah.
810
00:42:46,730 --> 00:42:47,565
Well.
811
00:42:47,565 --> 00:42:48,399
And that's why
812
00:42:48,399 --> 00:42:49,567
you can never guarantee your repair.
813
00:42:49,567 --> 00:42:51,101
I don't care how good you are,
814
00:42:51,101 --> 00:42:52,536
I just wait.
815
00:42:52,536 --> 00:42:54,104
Why assume that risk?
816
00:42:54,104 --> 00:42:54,738
I mean, you know what I mean.
817
00:42:54,738 --> 00:42:57,741
You shouldn't have to, And to,
818
00:42:57,808 --> 00:43:01,845
you know, 70% to somebody else, maybe,
819
00:43:02,146 --> 00:43:03,080
maybe completely,
820
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,248
maybe 70% to
821
00:43:04,248 --> 00:43:06,150
you might be 50% somebody else,
822
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:08,185
you know what I mean? So,
823
00:43:08,185 --> 00:43:10,854
and then also I
824
00:43:10,854 --> 00:43:13,057
consider doing the wall to wall repair,
825
00:43:13,057 --> 00:43:13,624
you know what I mean?
826
00:43:13,624 --> 00:43:14,425
Instead of doing it,
827
00:43:14,425 --> 00:43:16,160
it is an area of the field.
828
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:16,994
Sometimes it's
829
00:43:16,994 --> 00:43:18,829
just a door from wall to wall
830
00:43:18,829 --> 00:43:20,064
and be done with it,
831
00:43:20,064 --> 00:43:21,198
you know what I mean?
832
00:43:21,198 --> 00:43:23,467
So you're not seeing it just
833
00:43:23,467 --> 00:43:24,868
against the backdrop
834
00:43:24,868 --> 00:43:26,704
of the entire floor.
835
00:43:26,704 --> 00:43:29,573
So at, well, traffic goes a.
836
00:44:58,862 --> 00:45:01,865
Yeah.
837
00:45:58,822 --> 00:45:59,890
Yeah.
838
00:45:59,890 --> 00:46:01,058
Well. Steve.
839
00:46:01,058 --> 00:46:02,392
Steve, was.
840
00:46:02,392 --> 00:46:05,395
And is that guy.
841
00:46:05,529 --> 00:46:07,097
He's that he's that guy.
842
00:46:07,097 --> 00:46:08,432
That.
843
00:46:08,432 --> 00:46:10,534
He's that. Yeah.
844
00:46:10,534 --> 00:46:12,136
All right, so let's do this.
845
00:46:12,136 --> 00:46:15,405
So anyhow we talking about traffic.
846
00:46:15,405 --> 00:46:17,374
Go if you haven't used it.
847
00:46:17,374 --> 00:46:19,843
If you're using a single component
848
00:46:19,843 --> 00:46:21,745
it really truly is a Cadillac
849
00:46:21,745 --> 00:46:23,781
of single component finish.
850
00:46:23,781 --> 00:46:25,616
We can't claim that it is
851
00:46:25,616 --> 00:46:27,284
exactly the same as traffic HD,
852
00:46:27,284 --> 00:46:29,419
but damn, it's close.
853
00:46:29,419 --> 00:46:32,623
And it is a it's a fabulous, easy to use
854
00:46:32,623 --> 00:46:34,258
product and,
855
00:46:34,258 --> 00:46:35,159
if you haven't used it
856
00:46:35,159 --> 00:46:36,460
yet, give it a look.
857
00:46:36,460 --> 00:46:37,661
And I would say the same thing
858
00:46:37,661 --> 00:46:38,662
and Rob says the same thing.
859
00:46:38,662 --> 00:46:40,931
If you want to try one of RTC,
860
00:46:40,931 --> 00:46:42,266
if you, you know, whatever,
861
00:46:42,266 --> 00:46:42,833
you just talk
862
00:46:42,833 --> 00:46:44,501
to one of the territory managers,
863
00:46:44,501 --> 00:46:46,203
I'd be happy to accommodate you.
864
00:46:46,203 --> 00:46:47,204
And,
865
00:46:47,204 --> 00:46:50,207
I think rolls beautifully trousered.
866
00:46:50,307 --> 00:46:50,841
What do you call it?
867
00:46:50,841 --> 00:46:52,776
T bars. Beautifully.
868
00:46:52,776 --> 00:46:54,278
And, give it a look
869
00:46:54,278 --> 00:46:56,180
if you haven't tried it yet.
870
00:46:56,180 --> 00:46:57,514
Like Rob said at the beginning,
871
00:46:57,514 --> 00:46:58,816
if you're using, say, traffic
872
00:46:58,816 --> 00:47:00,017
D and you're happy
873
00:47:00,017 --> 00:47:01,285
and don't change anything,
874
00:47:01,285 --> 00:47:02,719
the same thing I say with the
875
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,321
the guy tells me,
876
00:47:04,321 --> 00:47:06,657
I'm doing great with a t bar.
877
00:47:06,657 --> 00:47:07,891
I mean, I'm gonna just come out perfect,
878
00:47:07,891 --> 00:47:08,792
but I don't know how to roll.
879
00:47:08,792 --> 00:47:10,394
I go then why?
880
00:47:10,394 --> 00:47:11,895
To stay with what you're doing.
881
00:47:11,895 --> 00:47:14,031
So there you go. Rob.
882
00:47:14,031 --> 00:47:14,698
You got anything else you want
883
00:47:14,698 --> 00:47:15,499
to say about it, buddy?
884
00:47:17,434 --> 00:47:18,202
All right.
885
00:47:18,202 --> 00:47:19,236
This has been
886
00:47:19,236 --> 00:47:19,870
another episode
887
00:47:19,870 --> 00:47:21,405
of On the Floor with winning. Rob.
888
00:47:21,405 --> 00:47:22,806
Please stay tuned for another episode.